#sweeney todd fandom

[princesssarisa]

Musical fandoms and ingenue hate

Is this really such a problem?

There's a YouTuber named Katherine Steele who mostly makes videos about musical theatre, and who has a small video series in defense of ingenue characters, titled "Why Everybody Hates..."

There are four videos in the series: "Why Everybody Hates Cosette" (Les Misérables), "Why Everybody Hates Christine" (The Phantom of the Opera), "Why Everybody Hates Johanna" (Sweeney Todd), and "Why Everybody Hates Maria" (West Side Story).

Some other sources – like TV Tropes, for example – have cited those videos to talk about why these characters are "widely" disliked.

But is it really true? Of all four of those musicals' fandoms, I've only been deep in the Les Misérables fandom, but from what I've seen people say about the others, I had no idea that those ingenue characters got big amounts of hate!

Being indifferent to the character doesn't count as hate, nor does considering her unoffensive but boring.

Do Johanna and Maria get the same kind of real loathing in the diehard Sweeney Todd and West Side Story fandoms that we see in the Les Mis fandom with talk about "that horrid Cosette," "I hate her with a passion," etc?

There is a lot of visceral, venomous Cosette-hate in the Les Mis fandom, or at least there used to be in the '90s and early 2000s. But it has a cause: Éponine. Immature people hate Cosette because she's loved by Marius, when they want him to love Éponine instead. (And to a lesser extent because she "abandons" her father Jean Valjean, but that's more the novel's Cosette than the musical's.)

I know that there's also some Christine hate among Phantom Phans, which is also love-triangle related: they hate her for choosing Raoul instead of the Phantom.

But I had no idea that Sweeney and WSS fans were venomous about Johanna or Maria – are they?

From what little I've seen of Sweeney fans, I've occasionally seen them call Johanna boring or a Mary Sue (and even then, the context has been "I always thought she was, but then [insert actress here] made me appreciate her"). But for the most part, I see people talk approvingly about how she's more complex than an average ingenue, how she can be played as mentally unstable, etc.

And Maria? Yes, there are the people who can't stand how quickly she forgives Tony for killing Bernardo. (Although that complaint only seems to have become widespread with the 2021 film's release – I remember occasionally reading it in the past, but not nearly as much as now.) But apart from that, and from sometimes seeing people call both Maria and Tony boring, I had no idea that anyone hated her! And if you think she had no characterization but "pretty and nice" until the 2021 film, then you've been giving both the stage version and the 1961 film a shallow surface read! She's always had intelligence, playfulness, passion and strength!

I'd like people who have been deep in the fandoms of these musicals to tell me. Is there really a widespread problem of loud, venomous hate for all these ingenue characters, the way there has been for Cosette in the Les Mis fandom? Or is it really just a few people calling them "boring" now and then, with only the love triangles in Les Mis and Phantom making people nastier about Cosette and Christine?

[bebx]

“I don’t need therapy because my comfort characters are my therapy” and it turns out the comfort characters in question are the ones who need therapy the most

[allthingswhumpyandangsty]

feel free to reblog with your thoughts/opinions

[imagopersonal]

this meme but it works with every single one of my comfort characters (i need psychiatric help)

[can-of-w0rmz]

Sweeney Todd shitpost in honour of me going to see a local production next week w/ friends‼️

[bakanokiwami]

TOP 10 PLAY/MUSICAL CROSSOVERS ON FANFICTION.NET BASED ON NUMBER OF FANFICTION (2009-2022)

To make this bar chart race, all series titles in the Plays Crossovers Section on November 29 (or the closest date to it) of every year were copy-pasted from Wayback Machine to Google Sheets, rearranged according to number of fanworks, and then inputted to Flourish to turn into a bar chart race.

In March 27 2009, FFN launched support for crossover fanfiction. Before this date, authors either posted their crossovers in just one category and noted that it was a crossover in its summary, or posted them in one of the generic crossover categories in the Misc. section (such as X-overs, or Cartoons X-overs). There wasn’t a filter to screen all crossovers of specific fandoms back then.

Originally, the fanfiction list was sorted alphabetically, but was changed to number of fics at around early 2013.

Interestingly enough, the crossover sections don’t seem to be suffering from a total fanfiction discrepancy, unlike the sections for non-crossover fanfiction.

Please refer to this post for more fanfiction bar chart races.

Thanks for understanding and hopefully I didn’t mess up anywhere! 🙏

[demonbarbers]

[mrs-sharp]

I miss him.

[the-sinister-story-teller]

Headcanons Collage!!

A/n: Sorry I've been gone for so long, I'm going through a lot with MANY projects to complete! I may not be doing requests, so I'm sorry to those who have requested, I apologize deeply! In regards to this, her is a collection of random character headcanons!

Prompt: n/a

Mentions: GN Reader, overall fluff.

-He is SO loving in the relationship. Like, we are talking constant compliments, PDA, everything.

-If you're NOT into PDA, he's very respectful of it. Just expect 5x more compliment and gifts!

-Loves matching outfits between you, him, and nuggets.

-He cooks italian foods consistently for you, but also loves eating your cooking just as much.

-If you're asexual, he also respects that.

-Wasn't sure how you'd react to knowing his a p***star, so he was anxious to tell you at first. Realizing you didn't care and already knew, he calmed down a LOT.

-He flirts, a lot.

-He's oblivious to what you need, neglectful at times even.

-Though, despite this, he still cares and works more to meet ends meet for your sake.

-Definitely isn't used to being spoiled by you, and is very grateful but is difficult to spoil.

-He tries to spoil you, but isn't very good at it...You appreciate him though.

-Compliment him, it boosts his ego and oh my god he adores it.

-He wasn't vocal about the relationship at ALL.

-You took it slow, knowing he wasn't vocal or big on affection.

-Granted, he complimented you every now and then, and that was enough to make your stomach flutter.

-He gets jealous easily, despite not being affectionate towards you. The one time he actually showed PDA, is when he held your hand while someone was getting too close to you for his liking.

-Really wasn't touchie at first

-He wasn't into PDA or anything at first, but if you're feeling insecure, he does give you words of affirmation.

-He isn't nglectful, but he isn't too sweet.

-He is clingy once he gets attached to you though, due to Maria.

[iambecomeahamburger]

Um, so, about Lucy Barker

*rant incoming*

you know that fandom phenomenon where female characters will literally get hated on for being interesting (free my girls they did all that but your honour i do not care). lucy barker did NOTHING. NOTHING to deserve the hellish events that unfolded in her life, and she still gets hate. i have many thoughts about this, many of which i cannot properly articulate.

im gonna be so honest, pre-ruthie ann miles, the sweeney fandom was not so kind to my girl as they are now (2023 toddhead nation you are everything to me) and this i think was mainly the burton film enjoyers who hardcore shipped sweenett in the most uninteresting way possible.

REAL sweeney/sweenett enjoyers know that lucy is a pivotal and interesting character who took nothing but ls from life, and that sweenett only works as a ship if what you love about it is how deeply problematic and messy it is. I rest my case.

[little-lovett]

sweeney 2023 sweenett gets so frisky and blatant at times it is WILD😭😭

[bebx]

“oh this little guy is your blorbo? name every crime he’s committed and the tragic backstory behind those sad pretty eyes of his then”

[pizza-hats-of-the-world-1882]

guess who feels like doing this again!!!! anyway y'all know what to do~

[inner-visionz]

Sweeney todd Ford?

[can-of-w0rmz]

I drew furry Sweeney Todd to troll my friends. This is, however, your sign that I can draw furries. Please commission me.

[johannabarkerstan]

“Attend the tale of Sweeney Todd…he served a dark and a vengeful god,”

Some of my Sweeney character designs! I love love LOVE this musical, it haunts my every waking thought. (I know Johanna’s arm is wonky but we are just gonna ignore it) Thank you so much for the love and support on my last Johanna drawing, it means literally the entire world to me.