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ocs + songs
pharoah thirteen - im-ho-tep
king beetle - battle hymn
marmanousa the barbarienne - power and glory
electrostancya - Гимн Коминтерна
amelia barnfield-lahane - you will know my name
dr. arthur solomon - beethoven's nightmare
abilasha liyanarachi - destruction preventer
isaiah torrance - serpent tongue
#some of these fit more than other#don't read too much into any of them though tbh#i think i've shared almost no information about any of them online so it doesn't really matter anyway lol#ask if you want though i guess
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*catboys ur shounen protag*
#my art#jujutsu kaisen#jjk#itadori yuuji#yuji itadori#yuuji#fanart#jjk fanart#boss shes drawing shirtless catboys.............#listen i just bought the mewji plush ive been in a Mood ok#u all can forgive me im sure#i rly liked the original mewji sketch that i did last night but fr some reason when i went to clean it i could not get th expression??#it just looked so off and kind of uncanny and not like yuuji at all#so i scapped it :) hes less scrunchy faced now#also. gomenyasai i am still guilty of doubling up on human/cat ears....#espECIALLY with a haircut like yuujis it is beyond me how to omit them#if anyone can make it work u r a better artist than i#anyway im so happy the trend of like. putting ur ref pic next to the finished piece exists#adds a lil layer of visual interest i think !!!#plus i for one think its neat seeing what other ppl use fr ref#i realized while drawing this tht its been a minute since my last boy without a shirt on#every time i get to draw torso muscles i am like i shld do this more often !!! and then i never do#bc the only thing i like more than rendering muscles is a cute fit GHJFJHFGSHg#anyway itadori mewji ladies and gays enjoy <3#i have ! places 2 b !#'why were u late' . uh .
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more mercenary analysis, whichever merc you want <3
Not a mercenary but... Okay!
Let's dissect Pauling
Always so collected, responsible and efficient. The one who is not afraid to get her hands dirty for the sake of a goal, and her performance is always one hundred percent. What could possibly be not cool about her?
Well, maybe the fact that this all is, in fact, an act. Of course it is.
I'm not saying her determination and dedication to her job aren't sincere decisions of her heart, she really enjoys it and shines in her work. It's just a matter of WHY and WHAT she's doing it for. And on what scale.
For her, her job is EVERYTHING. Eagerly working 364 days a year with barely any rest, masochistically putting herself in so much danger, blindly following the boss's instructions, not even hesitating to kill people standing on the way...
Wow, there's gotta be something going on here.
Well, obviously the Administrator plays A HUGE role in this situation. Why would Pauling trust her so much? Referring to the comics, Pauling trusted her wholeheartedly on whatever the Administrator was planning, even though she didn't know what it was. This blind following that vaguely resembles nothing less than a weird somewhat child-to-a-mother attachment. It's just a Boss, just a job, why?
Because that's what it is. Mother issues. Very apparent.
We don't know anything about Pauling's past, so there's where the headcanons begin:
I'm assuming her birth mother was very neglectful and dismissing, never acknowledged her daughter's accomplishments and struggles. No matter how hard Pauling tried to become "worthy" in her eyes, it seemed to be never enough, as if she didn't even exist at all. Maybe her mother was a substance addict or something and their household wasn't safe and stable, so Pauling had to become an adult early and run away from home as a teenager and find a job to get by.
(I assume that because I believe there was a mention in the canon lore that Ms.Pauling had been working for the Administrator for long long years (don't remember exactly), indicating that she started working when she was still a minor).
So, being taken under the Administrators wing, her young wounded brain found a substitute for a very thing she was lacking, subconsciously clinging onto the Administrator as a newly mother figure, in order to "get it right this time".
Administrators Strictness, responsibility and demandingness were the most favorite qualities of a person of authority in Pauling's eyes, in contrast to the laziness, unaccountability and indifference of the environment in which she grew up. She could finally strive.
This time she would show the mother figure that she's worthy, she's important and irreplaceable; she exists. She would prove that no amount of hardship is too much for her if it means approval for the Administrator.
And the Administrator kind-of-sort-of gave Pauling this pseudo-love in return, encouraging her to sacrifice herself even more for their work. Which is at the very least unfair, and at most just predatory. Administrators "love" was conditional, in contrast with when the real motherly love Pauling unknowingly expected. Administrator was too immature for a mother figure, too much in power for a partner or a friend, yet too close for a formal boss. What is this!? Something not nice.
The Administrator doesn't love Pauling for Pauling, she loves her working qualities. And thus, Paulings subconscious guess was confirmed that "I'm only important when I'm doing the job. I AM the job."
Tying your worth to what you DO instead of what you are is a huge dangerous existential rout one could choose. But she never really knew her importance outside of her skills, so she wouldn't know.
Now imagine how actually painful that character arc was for her, when the Administrator proved herself to be unreliable and secretive, and when Pauling started to question her intentions for the first time.
"... Because I trusted you!"
"Then why are you questioning me now?"
It wasn't even the real conversation between them, just Pauling's mind torturing her.
It reminded me of the crisis of a 4-year-old when they realise that their parents aren't perfect; they don't know anything and they CAN hurt you.This shattering illusion of almighty love. When a child stops believing that the "harsh love" their mother treats them with is simply an abuse.
Wouldn't it be terrifying to realise in your 20s thar despite running for "the mother's approval" all your life, you will never truly get it. If your mother failed to provide it to you at such a young age, nothing will truly substitute that, especially now, when you're an adult, no one will love your inner child the way it was supposed to be loved.
Unless you yourself decide to take that role.
...
Realistically speaking, it's not nearly that sever with Pauling! She's happy in the environment she's in, there's lots of interests for her to explore (Guns, fights, killin'!) So many adventures every day! Even if Pauling has her inner suffering, it's not that bad aa I describe it. Her mother problems may actually be an advantage, a reason she is such a good and caring boss for the mercenaries.
I'm just edgying things down for the sake of the clearer analysis. But still...
If the Administrator will be gone and Pauling loses her life-dedicated job... What will be left? Who is Pauling once Mann Co is no more? Can she answer that?
References:
– A video that helped me better understand the Good Girl mask:
youtube
– "Lise Bourbeau's 5 soul wounds model: Injustice"
#tf2#miss pauling#ms pauling#team fortress 2#artists on tumblr#character analysis#tf2 character analysis#psychoanalysis#team fortress fanart#team fortress#insecure about this one honestly#please watch the referenced video it explains a lot#it was very difficult to write for some reason. maybe because there isn't many familiar/relatable points for me#or maybe because I'm neither a woman nor sapphic#if female mother issues are actually different from any other in this gendered world#i don't wanna gender her though#we all would probably be fucked up if our mother wasn't nurturing regardless of our gender right?#my art#miss pauling is so much more than I was able to fit into this post#loveable idiot
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stardew valley au where joel and skizz are new residents to pelican town (hermit town?). joel just inherited a large farm from his late grandfather and skizz is moving in with his old friend after reconnecting with him and wanting a fresh start. and the townspeople are like, kinda weird.
bdubs is fine enough - he’s a sweet man with a fun personality and he’s the local builder, but it’s almost frightening how fast he constructs new buildings when joel needs them. pearl, their resident postmaster, is also pretty normal other than the fact that skizz never seems to be awake early enough to catch her delivering mail. scar is lovely but he’s never available when joel wants another chicken. the mayor, xisuma, is pleasant too, if a little eccentric at times, but he doesn’t really seem to do much in town.
for the most part, skizz is settling in well. he’s moved in with impulse, who runs the local blacksmith in town, and he gets along well with most of the local townspeople. he’s started spending his evenings at the local saloon listening to ren regale the patrons with fantastical tales while he and stress serve up food and drinks, and he finds himself growing close with cleo, the local sculptor. he even gets a new wardrobe from hypno free of charge, and sometimes helps cub out with his totally scientific studies and creations.
skizz also joins forces with beef (who helps to supply the local general store that xb and keralis run) in terrorising the local manager of the corporate chain grocery store that no one likes. doc is a terrible manager but would make a fun supervillain (according to joe hills, the bookseller who appears once in a blue moon but seems to know doc more than anyone in town).
joel, on the other hand, seems to only be interacting with the strangest residents in town. he discovers the adventurer’s guild after only a couple weeks. false promises to give him prizes if he can kill enough monsters, which is not something joel had expected to be doing when he pictured farm life, but here he is. he stumbles upon a travelling cart one day, and the man inside insists he’s a knight from a faraway land, that he risked his life to make it all the way here to sell his wares. it’s all stuff joel can get cheaper elsewhere.
he’s pretty sure the local doctor has no real medical training, but then he passes out while fighting monsters and he wakes up completely fine, so zedaph probably knows what he’s doing. maybe. when joel isn’t passing out he sometimes makes trips to the library-slash-museum, which is probably almost completely empty because mumbo, who begs joel for anything to display, looks like he’s never fought a duggie in his life. eventually mumbo gives joel a key to the sewers, which are way cooler than they have any right to be, and that’s where he finds jevin’s secret sewer shop. jevin lives in town. he just also has a shop hidden underground. joel has stopped asking questions by now.
and then there are the three who live by the beach. etho spends most of his time tinkering around the fishing hut or hovering around bdubs, but sometimes he drives the bus to the desert. only sometimes. there might be something under his mask. no one knows for sure. gem runs the fish shop most days and she claims she’s a sailor, but joel has never seen a single working boat around despite all the ocean. she can also hold her breath underwater for an uncannily long amount of time, like, scarily so, and will sometimes disappear for a few days and return with an abundance of treasures. joel has never seen her leave by boat. grian fishes a lot and runs the shop when gem can’t, and he sometimes talks as though the sea can speak to him. skizz has caught him staring into space for extended periods of time. one time he waded into the water and just stood there, head down, muttering to himself.
apparently there used to be a lighthouse but “it’s gone now”. gem says if they ask bdubs nicely enough maybe they can build another one, but she and grian are banned from build requests after the last incident with their pet snails (joel has never seen the snails, but scar complains about them enough to convince him they’re real).
there also might be some kind of wizard who lives in the creepy tower in the woods. skizz has heard he’s the one who helps maintain the power in the valley, and joel’s convinced he hallucinated seeing him once until he recieves a letter from the wizard himself, and visits him only to find that the strange fire-creature he saw that one time was, in fact, tango, who is human for the most part, he just sets himself on fire sometimes.
#some of these ones probably suit them more than others sorry if u think ‘he woukd not fucking say that’#unfortunately i do know some of them way less than the others#so i’m going off general vibes i get from them + what i think would be fun#it is SO HARD!!! to fit 27 people into stardew roles. especially when i didnt include the desert or ginger island#the desert and ginger island are actually populated by friends of the hermits but thats for another post#if anyone wants elaboration on why i chose certain things for people i would be happy to#hermitcraft#geminitay#grian#smallishbeans#pearlescentmoon#zombiecleo#rendog#gtwscar#impulsesv#skizzleman#tangotek#falsesymmetry#mumbo jumbo#ethoslab#bdouble0#hypnotizd#welsknight#xbcrafted#keralis#cubfan135#stressmonster101#vintagebeef#joe hills
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mockley time it's mockley time will you have some mockleys of mine
#my art#oc#mockley#anthro#furry#dinosaur#i think i like this mockley i think i'm guiding her to where she needs to be design-wise to fit in with her human cohorts#and the lines were fun as hell to render. mockley has so many textures#been in an art rut recently. feel like i'm guiding my art where i don't want it to go. and also feel limited in what i can do#big pity party basically lol but it's good to recognise that and be like well whatever. just do some studies and get back on track#less throwing myself against the same wall and more finding a ladder to get over it. which will involve more studies and less oc drawings#and also less comparing myself to other people and especially people younger than me who have amazing art it's BAD for you#compete with YOURSELF and you can neverrr lose. you can never lose if you have fun LOSING#learn to LOVE losing#my favourite vinny vinesauce quote and one of my favourite motivational quotes ever. he said it as a joke while salty at mario kart#but it's resonated positively in my life ever since hearing it#fall in love with failing.....learn to love losing....(said to myself)
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Poly+ ACOTAR Week - Day 1 Beginnings (Lucien/Tamlin/Feyre) @polyacotarweek
With how often Lucien was around for their dates in book 1, I really thought we were heading towards a happy throuple or at least a threesome.
#my art#acotar#acotar fanart#tamlin#lucien vanserra#feyre archeron#poly+acotarweek2024#poly+acotarweek2024 d1#i'm focusing less on the prompts themselves and more on different ships i like i wanna showcase on different days#so some prompts will fit more than others
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Putting my pretty princess in different outfits again
#that don’t really fit him lol#I got my sister to watch the three demons arc with me in exchange for playing the great ace attorney#it was great we hung out all day and had fun yippee~! :3#she said it was more fun than she thought it’d be I call that a success#journey to the west 1996#jttw sun wukong#sun wukong#digital art#my art#journey to the west#xiyouji#you’re not gonna see me for a while lol#my last post before I have Lock In for finals#or2#ougggh..sun wukong…save me…..save me monkey man…#it’s my senior grad project too ouuuuuughhh o(-(#this fucking first I loled 😂 then I serioused 😠 ass expressions bruh#btw I saw that someone commented on that 5 tier Wukongs post I made saying that lmk is the best one#and listen I love Lego monkie kid wukong#but why you gotta pit five bad bitches against each other smh#like if you think the wukong on the top is as beautiful as the wukong on the bottom this is so sad 💔#have some decorum lmao
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Happy Campus Apocalypse volume 1 16th anniversary here's something to celebrate
#shinji ikari#kaworu nagisa#asuka langley soryu#rei ayanami#kawoshin#asurei#neon genesis evangelion#campus apocalypse#nge#nge ca#toma edits#toma draws#<-KINDA? i edited them in on the first one but i spent more time on it than i needed to so im counting it#why did tumblr post the version from before i updated the tags and description. im losing my mind#ANYWAY full disclosure i only found out abt the anniversary earlier today via angelduets/the kawoshin bot on twitter#BUT i finished this set last night so!! excellent timing#i made the last one weeks ago and never got around to posting it but i was making memes for other purposes the other day#and did some ca themed ones while i was at it... now it can finally see the light of day#i actually also made a non ca version of the kawo&asu one a while back (did i even post that here i forget)#but they're actually friends in canon here so it fits More i think#there's another asurei one i wanted to make but i gotta fully draw that one so! it'll have to wait
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"Ford is intellectually smart and Stan is emotionally smart" is a statement that makes me want to nose dive into academic studies in order to single-handedly redefine the categories of intelligence because that *cant* be right.
#gravity falls#stanford pines#ford pines#stanley pines#stan pines#i believe Stan is smart but like not in an iq OR eq way and idk how to describe it#like “good at regulating emotions” “good at understanding others emotions” were talking about the guy who likes watching babies fight guys#he doesn't even have as much social skills as you guys think he does#canonically had no friends in highschool does that sound like hes actually good at talking to people????#and ford has MORE emotional intelligence than people like to think#thats right. im saying it.#ford is better at regulating his emotions and understanding others than people give him credit for.#Stan actually fits some of the iq definition of “problem-solving skills” and the ability to apply learned knowledge#neither of them fit exclusively in either#which is normal but Stanley to me fits specifically in a way that has me going “no theres a third special catagory that no one knows about”#“that i just made up. its called Stanley intelligence.”
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Wanted to make an Egghead-themed sticker sheet for a looong time, and once I got to it I noticed had enough room for a few more extras after the Strawhats were done... So here's some Cross Guild chibs for you
#One Piece#Sir Crocodile#Dracule Mihawk#Buggy the Clown#Cross Guild#My art#A reasonable person would've done like the Seraphim as extras or fucking Lucci Kaku and Stussy or even some of the Vegapunks#No you get the Strawhats Bonney and doofy ass looking Kuma and these fuckers#It's MY sticker sheet I GET THE DO WHAT I WANT#I'll post the rest some other time (the actual sheet looks like ass because it wasn't easy making sure they would all actually fit there)#(So I wanna post a more Glamorous Round Up of the Chib Art rather than the sticker sheet as it is) (Also I half assed the bg for it so bad)#But you get these fuckers for now#Just in time for The Husbandile's Birthday <3#Also yes I know Mihawk's outfit color has changed AND I DON'T CARE. Look I LOVE a good yellow but Mihawk's Piss Yellow ain't it#Also I wanted to draw him with his OG bright red eyes anyways and the magenta went better with there#Ngl Buggy was the Second Funniest chib to draw on the sticker sheet. Kuma was the funniest one though but Buggy? A Great Second
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rough version of an idea ive had for a while
#maybe one day ill actually do full lineart and color#i was trying to make these fit with their personalities so some show up more than others#jurassic world camp cretaceous#camp cretaceous#jurassic world chaos theory#chaos theory#camp fam#fanart#my art#c posts#video#source: bears in trees#this vid is on their insta and their tiktok
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live drama adaptations part 2 (prev)
cast reveal and girls movie night 🔥
#i actually had the first three pages done for like. months now. and then i just forgot 🧍♂️#theres one more part to this but as to when ill finish that. haha#duck scribbles#minicomic tag#midoyuzu#and a bit of tomohaji on the side#doodles#enstars#midori takamine#hajime shino#yuzuru fushimi#tori himemiya#ibara saegusa#this is. a lot better quality than the first initial one amsdkjgshdgsmd i kindaa wanna redo it but its already a multiple part one i dont#think ill do that to myself rn akjdgskjwkjgjkd#its been 8 months i doubt anyone would remember the initial one but its ok u dont have to read it#i completely made up this manga and am now a little sad its not a thing that exists#i wish haruno was a real character i could post mangacaps of#thought too hard about it and there isnt any way to fit it into here but there is also a fourth character harunos childhood gyaru friend#also in love w her. she ends up having some sort of alliance with naoto but obviously its in vain too but its all chill#manga ends with haruno opening her dream cafe and asahi later joins her there after training a new team to take care of their old one#naoto becomes a regular there also w his new bf :] happy ending !!!#wow i have drawn Way too much lately. forgive me for such behavior ill probably be posting a lot less from here on out askjdgksjhgs#needed the food for when im away from my laptop for a week....#guess ill never get to finish that other lil comic i had planned for that sleepover drawing i made back during rarepair week </3#does anyone actually read these anyhow. i talk too much maybe
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Hard Trick Life
Couldn't get this idea out of my head. Gosh, I love Ghost Trick!
#ghost trick spoilers#ghost trick#ghost trick phantom detective#ghost trick lynne#ghost trick sissel#sissel#lynne#cabanela#jowd#missile#hard knock life#sunnyaliceart#I was inspired by the BOTW/TOTK video edits to the same audio#seriously my fave vids on the internet#ghost trick felt fitting for it#couldn't fit every single death and some moments were more impactful than others#I made this just so I could have the ending death
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Vr46 academy keychains
Set of five charms that all match in different ways
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Open for detailed pictures of each one
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I ran out of tags so I'll say it here but i would greatly appreciate a reblog, especially if you share your thoughts on these pieces in tags (。•̀ᴗ-)✧
(Also i forgot that bez have matching part with luca so I didn’t add that to tags sorry
#motogp#marco bezzecchi#pecco bagnaia#valentino rossi#celestino vietti#luca marini#mb72#fb63#vr46#cv13#lm10#vr46 academy#okay so i fear tags won't be enough for me this time but I'll try tell everything anyway#firstly i used nicknames (should have used maro but didn't think at the time) for everyone because it brings more of a family feeling than#when i do initials and that's exactly what i wanted with them. on the same note the wolves#the wolves were tge first thing that started this idea because i wanted to make bez charm and picked one up and then it expanded very fast#because let's all face it - they are basically a wolf pack and it's extremely fitting. also after taking these pictures i found mettalic on#for cele. and it's a huge slay because i really don't like mismatching colours of metal#probably the only one that i did mismatch is vale but amazingly it looks pretty neat. i also put as many turtles as i physically could#also except for wolves he also has matching beads with cele and luca if you can spot them#while cele matches luca and bez#bez matches cele and pecco while pecco matches only bez. it was quite a challenge to find beads that would suit their different#colour schemes while looking organic in keychains#also for bez i used a wrench bc of his family and i think that's pretty neat detail#it was absolute mindfuck to find beads for five different keychains at the same time because of how different they all are but i tried#also put a lot of effort into not repeating myself as much as j could in structures so they all have their own personalities outside of set#also i love that “bez” part looks like fangs icl#if you see bead that stands out by colour from all others in keychain it's probably for their eye colour because i love to add that too#also used old bez livery because what we had this year was horrible#actually i made it some time ago just never had time to post
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I'm supposed to be sleeping but my brain has decided to list out all of the Chain's deepest fears instead :) So here's each boy and the thing he's most afraid of:
Time - Being forgotten or abandoned. Specifically because of how often this happened in his adventures, how he constantly made connections with others only for it all to be undone and get treated like a stranger by people he considered friends.
Legend - Losing his loved ones. He's suffered the deaths of so many people he cares about, he's not sure he could handle it again. Emphasis on the fact that he's scared of them dying, not just being separated from them or parting ways. It's the finality of death that scares him, the idea that he'd never be able to get them back.
Four - Losing his sense of self. He heavily values his identity and all the things that make him himself. Everything from his flaws to his skills to his habits. He dreads the thought of being put into a mould or forced to fit in with everyone else. Even something like wearing a uniform can make him uncomfortable because he feels like it's stifling his personality.
Hyrule - Death. He's spent so much of his life in survival mode that he struggles to switch out of it. He can be overly sensitive to minor threats, always anxious about basic things like food, shelter, water. If he feels like he's in a dire situation, there's about a 50-50 chance he'll either hyper focus or panic about what to do. Either way, he will desperately fight to stay alive, no matter what methods he has to resort to.
Warriors - Lack of control. He needs to know what's happening at all times. He needs to know what might happen, what he can do about it, and what the outcome could be. The minute something happens that he genuinely can't predict or change in some way, he starts to shut down.
Wild - Confinement/Lack of freedom. He has an innate need to travel and explore, constantly moving from one place to another whenever he feels like it. In a less physical sense, he also values his freedom to make decisions for himself. Being denied this freedom will cause him to lash out and rebel.
Sky - Wasting time. He values every minute and every second of the day. If he's not able to be working towards a goal or putting time towards things he cares about, then he's spending it resting to preserve his energy. While he doesn't have to be moving constantly, he does feel a lot of pressure to use his free time on important people or hobbies. He gets restless and impatient when he can't.
Twilight - Being useless. He was raised to help others whenever he can, and he almost always can. As a result, though, he feels like he needs to step in and help all the time. Being unable to do so makes him anxious and overbearing. It doesn't matter how small the task, he needs to have some kind of burden he can carry to make life easier for somebody else.
Wind - Disappointing the people around him. Wind is an overachiever. He strives to exceed the expectations placed on him. He goes out of his way to do big, incredible things, because he desperately wants to make his loved ones proud. The thought of doing the opposite: upsetting them, or disappointing them, makes him withdraw into himself.
#some of these felt more obvious than others#I really struggled with wind and twilight because I havent played their games#but I think I was able to find things that fit#linked universe#linkeduniverse#lu chain#lu time#lu warriors#lu wind#lu sky#lu four#lu hyrule#lu legend#lu twilight#lu wild
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who let mephone direct the purim play?? (edit: fixed a typo lol)
(objectober 2024 day 7: production)
#dandy's doodles#inanimate insanity#ii#ii baseball#ii nickel#ii balloon#ii suitcase#ii clover#ii mephone#ii cabby#purim#objectober#objectober 2024#fitting for me to reference the other costume holiday no? :)#seriously the armless alliance fits very well into the purim characters#suitcase does fit better than clover as esther but i feel like clover would be more likely to get that role in a play. y'know?#but yeah. baseball as achashverosh... the leader who's passive and ineffectual though well-meaning; always relies on his second-in-command#then nickel as haman. the second-in-command who puts all his energy into hating people and guides the leader into enforcing that hatred#balloon as mordechai... the guy the king's second-in-command despises (though here it's for different reasons)#and for esther... someone half in the party of people nickel/haman would hate and half in the party of people he'd like#who recognizes the way he's cruel and screwed up and eventually points it out#suitcase works better as i've said. cuz she's actively pissed at nickel and causes him to experience some punishment for what he does#while clover more gently tells him to change#for vashti... suitcase can work for her yeah. part of the group but excommunicated for disobeying#if i'd pick someone else i'd do soap i think? but i'm not sure#anyway i'm really not escaping the symbolist allegations... adapting mythological/biblical imagery for art......#it's fun though! and in this case it can be silly too
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