#solangelo critical

[dax-enfinity]

hello my friend

i came across your hot takes regarding a certain ship involving the ghost boi nico di angelo which shocked me

because I AGREE.

literally everyone keeps kissing the feet of solangelo is so fucking annoying FUCK SOLANGELO!!!

THIS IS WHAT I’VE BEEN SAYING !!!!

THANK YOU ANON !!!!

I swear, the PJO/HOO fandom has a HUGE problem with a lot of people not accepting the fact that people like to ship non-canon ships!

Those people can’t understand that people have been shipping Nico with other people for MORE than a DECADE

And no, Rick Riordan is NOT the king of diversity just because “S/o/l/a/n/g/e/l/o is canon!” The ship is bland it SUCKS honestly I’m not gonna deny it

Plus the ship has no development whatsoever because what do you mean Nico started dating this random Apollo kid 8 months after Blood Of Olympus and suddenly by Trials Of Apollo he’s magically comfortable dating this random guy

Did Riordan and the fandom forget the fact that Nico was FORCED to come out and admit his crush on Percy in front of Jason back in House Of Hades…??

What the hell happened during those 8 months that made Nico so comfortable being openly out at camp, not to mention 99% of the camp is scared of him due to being a Hades kid!

Those shippers make Nico out to be some “uwu soft gay boi who can’t be protected and needs Will’s help when he gets hurt!!”

He’s the son of HADES

HE WAS IN TARTARUS

And Will before his random appearance at the END of Blood Of Olympus got MENTIONED 5 times AT BEST

S/o/l/a/n/g/e/l/o shippers then act like shipping Nico with either Percy or Jason is bad because it’s apparently “incest” and the three of them are “sibling coded” when Nico had a CRUSH ON PERCY SINCE HE WAS 10

Make it make sense, c’mon now!

[your-stranger-halfblood-things]

Pretty boy boyfriend x dead rat boyfriend

[braghis]

Today i chose violence so here a list of my unpopular PjO opinions. Feel free to discuss them:

- Nico di Angelo would have made a great aro/ace representation;

- Solangelo has potential as a couple but it was poorly written and it's just there to "prove" Nico's sexuality. Also Tsats made both of them dirty;

- Reyna and Thalia would have made a GREAT lesbian representation;

- Frank is the real token-straight guy out the main cast. Jason is VERY bisexual-code;

- Leo would have made a GREAT gay representation;

- RR writes characters from minorities mostly for publicity and profit and it doesn't feel genuine anymore;

- None of the main couples in the story were necessary except Percabeth. They are actually teenagers and finding romantic love shouldn't be their number 1 priority. Also a person can be gay/bi AND single;

[kathrahender]

I love gay ships- but honestly, toxic Solangelo shippers are making me start hating that ship-

And Percabeth shippers are making me hate Percabeth even more than I already did.

Jesus Christ just stop with the ship bash, if I search (for example) for Percico/Jercico in Pinterest I DON'T want to see comments bashing the ship or the creator of the fanart. Would you like if we commented on Percabeth/Solangelo fanarts bashing your ships? No, right? Then stop bashing our ships.

I don't mind you creating a post explaining why you like "X" ship or why you dislike "Y" ship, because you have the right to give your opinion. But don't watch posts of the ships you don't like just to bash them in the same post.

[cynicalclairvoyantcadaver]

Properly developing and writing LGBTQ ships.

Ok, but when have we actually SEEN a good LGBTQ ship being DEVELOPED AND WRITTEN PROPERLY?

Like with Percabeth, you can see their development over the course of the series. WHEN HAVE WE SEEN THAT WITH GAY MALES OR LESBIAN FEMALES? I've never seen it (if you have, though, tell me please.)

We almost never get gay characters as major characters. Sure, Piper Mclean is bisexual, but we never knew it until the literal END of Trials of Apollo even though she was a major character in HOO and even starred as a side character for Trials of Apollo. Was her POV in HOO about discovering her bisexuality and coming out? No. Piper's representation is so shoved in that it barely counts, TBH. Though that is just my opinion on this matter-no need to agree with it.

And Nico di Angelo is gay, but his rep was handled terribly. A forced coming out, and being paired off with a random side character to 'prove' his gayness. Also, Will being a terrible partner for Nico (sharing his medical information without authority, and being someone's doctor and boyfriend is problematic for boundaries. Nico could have had another doctor. Seriously, are there no Athena kids in the infirmary, or no trainee Apollo kids?).

I'm just saying that I'm not sure if Solangelo is good representation because we don't really get any development and whatever development there is on Nico's side is somewhat deteriorated. We don't even get much of Will as a character. No development at all.

And with the lesbian couple, Jo and Emmie, in ToA? No development-plus they got kicked out of a supposedly safe space for being lesbians. Very problematic.

And Piper and Shel? NOTHING. No page time. None whatsoever. No development or good writing.

Lavinia and Poison Oak? We're told, not shown. We don't even see Poison Oak.

Fierrochase is the only developed ship, and even then, it's a little rushed. (Just my opinion).

[predictablesloth]

❗️The Election & Representation in Film❗️

Aka we're about to loose all our queer rep.

-> Before November 6, after the Agatha All Along finale, I told my friend that no matter my opinion on the last episode, I was taking it as a win, because the Agatha/Rio kiss could be the last sapphic, live action kiss to air on television.

-> Because the far right politicians who will soon control our government approve book bans in their respective states, there's every reason to suspect that they'll try to pass bans on the gay ass content Hollywood puts out.

-> If you can, get cds or dvds (or torrents, ends justify the means) of your favorite queer, feminist, and generally social justice-oriented digital media, such as music, movies, and tv shows. Documentaries and children's programs especially.

-> If you have the means to, purchase them directly from the source to show monetary interest.

-> If you want that renewal, that next season, to see a ship get together finally, or just to not get brainwashed by white supremacists, then join in the fight.

-> Otherwise, it won't just be homophobic executives blocking projects, the law will be too.

[thaliasthunder]

the boy everyone ran scared from turned out to be the inspiration of many i am breaking down on the floor

[miracumess]

so why exactly do some people think nico giving will his ring is out of character? what is out of character about nico giving someone he’s clearly very in love with an item so close to his heart? where in the text does it suggest that nico would absolutely never do something like this? we already know the lengths nico goes for the people he loves, but him giving the love of his life his ring is OOC?

“it’s a family ring” and?? if anything doesn’t it mean he considers will his family? nico loves will. i don’t know what else to tell you. YOU might not like or agree with it but that doesn’t always mean it’s OOC.

[notavalidblognamebut]

Solangelo and Percabeth are hands down THE BEST ships in pjo. Literally no one does it like them.

[realredbanana]

Every time I remember that canon!Will Solace kinda sucks if you think about it for too long, I feel like crying. Idk. Like, what do you mean my beloved boy whom I love dearly actually kinda sucks, but the narrative ignores it and pretends like everything he does is Totally Fine??/hj

(Not saying all fanon!Will is great! He’s sometimes not.)

[darkcrowprincess]

Controversial opinion:

Percy Jackson fandom can be a little annoying. Because even when you block the tag percabeth, solangelo, annabeth chase, will solace. Your still shit out of luck because it makes up 90% of the Fandom. So it's just rows upon fucking rows of "this post contains filtered tags" when all you wanted to do was look up some nice nico(by himself mind you) di angelo fanart or some Percy fanart. But no its just rows of blocked percabeth tags. The ship I can't stand the most.

Do you know that saying where insanity is when you do the same thing over and over again, expecting a different out come. Yeah that's me. I mean really what did I expect? This is so like the owl house Fandom all over again.

(Don't like don't read. Post hate and I'll block you)

[dax-enfinity]

TSAT will always be hilarious to me. They really gave Will a whole book in order to let us see him develop as a character only to make him absolute dead weight and do nothing but drag Nico down and make Nico risk his own life in Tartarus trying to pick up his slack. All that book did was solidify my dislike of Will

This!

I didn’t actually read TSAT for this, I just read the leaked chapters and some summaries from people that actually read the book.

Yeah, Nico ending up with someone like Will has got to be the western equivalent of the rushed epilogue in a shonen manga where the protagonist ends up with a side character who’ve they’ve never shown feelings towards.

And making the whole plot of the book about Nico going back to Tartarus..? That’s supposed to be the worst of the worst, they easily could’ve gone anywhere else!

When Percy and Annabeth got stuck in Tartarus that worked, because it was a new concept and it actually played on the ‘risking our lives’ aspect with them protecting each other.

Also, why the hell did Nico refer to Percy and Annabeth’s relationship by their actual ship name? That’s weird…

True, Will sucks, I’ve disliked him since I found the first Trials Of Apollo book in my library.

[doevademe]

Hi! Been re-reading some of your future-fic oneshots. I'm just curious to ask: considering Nico as someone tired and settling for Will and canon Will (uhm, the fandom writes him well sometimes), what do you think would be the last straw (for either of them, or both) for a solangelo break-up? Is it possible even with only a very minor (or none at all) intervention from Percy?

Would love to hear your thoughts!

Okay, let's do a deep dive into Will and Nico and their relationship, and how, as they are written, they are already doomed as a couple.

However, if you want the TL;DR: Nico and Will are incompatible from a fundamental level. Their personalities and hobbies require way too much compromise to work together. In my future fics, Percy just sped up the inevitable. There's is no one "last straw" as there is an ever increasing pressure that eventually becomes unsustainable.

First, let's look at the dynamic they develop from their first on-screen interaction in BoO: Will nags Nico, tells him he's wrong about his own feelings of isolation and loneliness, and proceeds to basically gaslight him that people never shunned him and he did it to himself. Nico, who has been alone for so long, takes this as a show of concern and affection, and develops an infatuation with Will.

Fast forward to ToA, and it's more of the same. Nico is gloomy, or sarcastic, or a bit morbid, and Will is bothered by it. He's bothered by who Nico is, and decides to "fix him". Nico, meanwhile has grown dependent on Will as his other relationships grow distant (Percy, Hazel, Reyna, and even Hades), and begins feeling jealous of Will even touching others. Needless to say, that's a very toxic basis for a romantic relationship.

When tsats comes around, we get the relationship at its worst. The very first scene is Nico saying he is into fictional bad boys, and Will being disappointed in him. We see that Nico is now watching his every word, glancing constantly at Will to make sure it doesn't displease him, and Will is happier that Nico is "better", though worried he might relapse, lose him to "the darkness" inside him.

Will in tsats is just the worst. He's useless on the quest, he tries to make Nico turn his back on the Underworld (the closest thing he has to a home), he whines, and he simps for Persephone while his boyfriend is right there. Some of it is an intentional flaw, but most of it we're meant to read as romantic and genuinely "sweet".

At the end, Will "learns" that he needs to accept that Nico will always have some darkness in him, and he just needs to "shine brighter" for them both. This doesn't really solve their problems as a couple: They have very little in common, Nico's too dependent on Will and has isolated himself from family and friends, and Will's newfound "acceptance" is tied to seeing Nico as inherently negative.

This relationship is simply not sustainable in the short or long-term, and eventually it will give. Either Will gets tired of having Nico around disrupting his sunny energy, or Nico lashes out over being "the problem" Will has so graciously decided to burden himself with.

A break-up is not only inevitable, it's the healthiest thing either of them can do. People would say to try couple's therapy, but therapy can't make people suddenly like hobbies or personality traits they find repellent. Will is in love with the idea of a "fixed" Nico, and Nico is in love with the idea of a boy that likes and fights for him.

The break-up catalyst can be anything: One nag too far from Will, Nico doing a morbid joke too many, just waking up one day and realizing they were never really in love. Either way, it's not a matter of how, of whether Percy is there or not, it's a matter of when. When does it become too much for them to keep pretending they want the same thing out of this relationship.

[lierenprotectionsquad]

I regret going into the tsats tag because I was hoping to see a bunch of gay nerds nerding out over the Solangelo book, but instead I mainly saw trash takes, hate and blatant misunderstanding of literally everything that happened in the book.

[cynthiav06]

Do you think there are insanely few couples with Percy in this fandom? Characters that are well thought out and have a backstory. For example, Rachel and Percy are an interesting dynamic and a repetition of the Theseus myth with a different end to the story. Or Percy and Michael Yu (Apollo's son who fell off the bridge) It would be interesting if he survived: Percy feeling guilty for the fall, and Michael comforting him. Or Will and Percy, where both feel the guilt of the survivor (Will is the doctor, and Percy is the commander and leader), or the same Percy and Nico with their story and attempts to talk. Percy and Ethan would be a real pain in the ass with a story and explanations. But they don't nominate them as a couple? Like Pernico, they can be found, but everything else? Will's only fanfiction/The Percy I found was the one where he cheated on Apollo with Will, and Will cheated on Nico with Percy. And I really can't stand cheating.

It's a general problem in the fandom, especially prominent in Percy ships, which is that there are very few of them, and it is made to seem that liking any Percy ship other than Percabeth is taboo. It's only recently that there's an influx in other ships, and even that is miniscule in comparison to the excessive Percabeth fic pool . I know how bloody frustrating that is. For a good amount of time, I have vented over that.

Another problem along the same lines is fanart. There's extremely little fanart on any other Percy ships barring Percabeth. This has created a very toxic sort of environment in the fandom for alternative shippings. It also discourages people from making other fanarts and fanfics due to certain toxic Percabeth fans. ( I am not saying all just most of them). Hence why you won't see much material on most of the ships you have mentioned.

I think the fandom has forgotten that people can ship whoever they want, canon or otherwise, and that's the point of a fandom. We are allowed to disagree with the canon and dislike cause in the end books are subjective and we can choose to like and prefer whatever interests us as a reader and there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT! Especially to Percabeth stans and recently Solangelo stans, you have your ship, no need to force it on everyone else, sure you can make points about why it's good or why people should like it but that doesn't mean have to or should.

You can dislike a ship and even express why you dislike it, but you can't tell people what they can and can't like. Just give your opinion, try not to be negative or offensive , just stick to the facts and objective reasons why you dislike it or just say it's a personal preference .

I personally generally either favor Perachel or Percy with no romantic partner. But I have read and seen some other Percy ship fanfics.

Perpollo and Pernico are kind of popular and I have read some fanfics of that category though Pernico's popularity suffered greatly due to Solangelo stans as such and some other opinions. (I have covered my thoughts on both Solangelo and Pernico in an old post of mine so check that out if you want).

Other alternative Percy ships I have seen mostly are Percy/Jason or Jercy. I kind of like where thea are going with it cause I really liked Percy and Jason's this odd but very unique dynamic they have and I really wanted it explored more but after the events in HoO and TOA and what happened to Jason( I refuse to accept it still due to no actually compelling and necessary reason behind it plot wise or character development wise), I kind of gave up on it. I really thought Rick Riordan would flesh their dynamic out more thoroughly other than whatever misguided rivalry he was trying to stoke between them. (Let's just agree that despite minor envy they might harbor for each other, they have much higher respect and admiration between them).

There's I think a few who consistently ship Percy and Artemis I think? Which I really thought was very contradictory and just simply not viable in canon or by fanfic cause Artemis is a maiden goddess.

There's Perclarisee which I mean I am neutral on it. I can see what it's based on but I actually liked Clarisse with Chris and I kind of thought of them better of as good friends who bicker a lot( I have a post on Perclarisse as well).

I once made the mistake of searching all Percy ships on ao3. It's safe to say I will never be doing that again ever. The absurd and deranged pairings I saw. Not even bleach will get that out of my eyes or mind.

As for Michael Yew, I am not sure about a romantic pairing of him and Percy, but in an au, it can kind of work, I guess, but I just don't see the appeal. I mean one moment of trauma bonding can't be the basis for a whole relationship.

As for Will and Percy, I see the parallel you are trying to make, but Percy can heal himself, so he's not really in need of a healer most of the time. Cause his power and ambrosia fix most of his injuries. Overall, I just don't think they are very compatible, but I will try and find fics about them for you.

Ethan and Percy? Where the hell did you find that? I don't think anyone ships that. Percy should have killed Ethan the first chance he got. That bastard really really had it coming. Even after Percy spared him so many times, he had the audacity to try and kill Percy. Absolutely not a pairing.

This is like the people who ship Percy and Luke. There are some, and I have never understood it. Luke tried to kill Percy multiple times and showed no remorse for it, and Ethan is the same. They are enemies, not a pairing. Not everything has to be enemies to lovers. But I suppose to each their own, everybody has their own preferences.

As for cheating , to whoever wrote that fic, stay the hell away from pjo respectfully cause neither Percy nor Will would ever do that to anyone. This literally goes against their very nature itself. To people who write cheating Percy fics, his fatal flaw is literally LOYALTY, what the hell is wrong with you?

Anyway, I am very sorry for this devolved into a rant. If I find any Percy and Will fics, I will reblog this post with recommendations.

[cynicalclairvoyantcadaver]

Why Solangelo is so popular

Ok, so we all know that Percabeth is the No 1 ship in PJO, because they got five books of development and their dynamic is amazing.

But Solangelo is the 2nd despite not getting much development, which is surprising. Why is this?

Well, my take on Solangelo is that they're famous only because of their sunshine sweet/darkness grumpy dynamic. That's literally all there is to it in my opinion.

This is a really famous dynamic, and I think that Rick saw the potential in it-though he ultimately failed to execute it properly, and the ship is quite boring and underdeveloped as a result.

What do you think?

The new TSATS book is hated by many and is also considered by many to be non-canon because of how it portrays Nico and Will. Also, Hades sends them to literal hell? And Will doesn't bring a weapon? And there are no campers at camp, and Hades agrees to bring an insane satyr out of Tartarus........so why did he send Nico to get Bob out of there? And there are a lot of minors errors-Bianca is called Nico's mother and Clovis is called a son of Morpheus, and Will thinks that it'll be years before he sees his father again despite Apollo actually having development and now wanting to see his kids more often, so Will should know this. It's terrible and I'm not sure it's proofread either. If you want further information, then you can read the anti tsats tag on tumblr.

PS-THIS IS NOT AN ANTI SOLANGELO POST. I AM NO ONE'S ANTI, PRO OR STAN, I SIMPLY WANT TO HEAR YOUR OPINIONS ON THIS

Tags-@rosabell14, @percabeth4life and @lady-menrva