#anti will solace

[once-upon-an-animation]

If the TSATS sequel isn’t a well-written, well-structured, well-developed Will Solace-centric where Will finally gets a real identity instead of just being Nico’s boyfriend, I will officially give up on the Solangelo ship and anything related to them.

Solangelo has had 4 books to sell me on their relationship, both as a couple and as individuals, but I am so sorry, Will Solace is not a convincing or compelling character. Most of the intrigue going for him predicates himself on the whole ‘Happy Sunshine + Grumpy Darkness” dynamic, and it’s too shallow of a foundation. Cool for him being a form of representation, but as an avid and passionate story consumer, I am well past the point of being so easily impressed by mere representation. If you’re going to do DEI and representation, you need to fucking do it well. It’s not enough to just throw surface-level discussions race/ethnicity/sexual orientation/gender identity into a story and then act like your work is done. You actually have to design a story that’s worthy enough to carry that diversity. If your representation doesn’t come with quality writing, I don’t fucking want that shit!

So for Rick/Mark, it’s time for them to step up their game. Give Will a real personality, and a real identity. Make him an interesting person worth giving a shit about. Tell me what else has happened in his life other than just Nico. Tell me about his family, his friends, his siblings, his view on the gods/his dad, what it was like to participate in three wars and/or watch his counselors die. Tell me about the kind of people he was crushing on before he met Nico. Tell me what his thoughts about romance were BEFORE he met Nico. Add some real fucking substance to this character, I am literally begging you!

[an-exasperated-hades-kid]

So I've been seeing a lot of will solace hate, and I'm here to defend my son.

First of all, he's not a toxic person at all he's a human who can mess up at times and be unintentionally rude, like in that one scene boo where he says

‘Oh, please.’ Will sounded unusually angry. ‘Nobody at Camp Half-Blood ever pushed you away. You have friends – or at least people who would like to be your friend. You pushed yourself away. If you’d get your head out of that brooding cloud of yours for once –

^ that is rude but he didn't have bad intentions because according to him nico wasn't scary and the people that he hung out with - Lou Ellen and Cecil- didn't think that nico was scary either as they were both friendly towards him when they met him at the Roman camping area outside chb so while his delivery wasn't good he meant no harm and he also helped nico realize that not everyone hates him and then there are a few jokes that he made that people consider toxic or offensive but nico was never offended or sad about these jokes he only rolled his eyes and acted exasperated so he knew will meant no harm .

Will is canonically described as a laid-back and calm person, but he is also stubborn when it comes to certain things like medical related things which is understandable since he can feel everything physically wrong with a person by just touching them and is persistent that they don't die and Take care of themselves which is understandable since he saw majority of his siblings die and doesn't want more ppl to die .

Will is actually quite a complex character he's calm and laid back but he's stubborn and strict when he needs to be he's supportive and loving to nico but since he's a kid he struggles with being understanding sometimes hence why he asks persephone for advice on how to be there for nico properly showing that he's mature enough to ask for help . He's also someone represses his emotions because he thinks that as head counselor, he has to be a perfect example, and he told this apollo in the 1st toa book. He's also pretty insecure about his abilities, as shown in boo

Evidence:

You did,’ confirmed Nico. ‘But it was the way you did it. You made it clear that you wanted me around. You said you wanted me to come to the infirmary and help, because … because you could use a “friendly face”.’

‘It was true. And you did help.’

‘You brought me closer instead of rejecting me,’ Nico said, his voice cracking. ‘I’d never been called a friendly face. Ever. You made me rethink everything – my place in camp, my crush on Percy, my future. It took you scolding me like you were the camp director to make me realize that I was … wanted.

___

But with Nico … It’s hard, Persephone. I want the best for him, and he seems to disappear into his darkness, like he’s hiding in a place where he doesn’t want my light.’

‘Then why not offer him your darkness

_____

Nico sighed in exasperation. He hated working with other people. They were always cramping his style, making him uncomfortable. And Will Solace … Nico revised his impression of the son of Apollo. He’d always thought of Will as easygoing and laid back. Apparently, he could also be stubborn and aggravating

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In conclusion will isn't toxic and he isn't perfect and if I'm wrong about something please point it out cause I haven't read the books in a while and if I missed something please point it out and I'm sorry for the typos I wrote this without wearing my glasses as 3 am after studying for a test

[lady-menrva]

PJO Meta (1 of ??)

DISCLAIMER: I don't mean to offend anyone. I am a ship and let ship person. Please note that criticism =/= hate. Lastly, if you're a solangelo shipper who doesn't wish to hear any criticism regarding their ship, please scroll away.

Ever since it's first appearance, solangelo has been a massive fan favourite. I, however, don't have a favourable opinion of the ship. Here is a brief explanation of my reasons for the same. (I apologise for my inarticulation)

Characterization:-

Nico-

Honestly Nico's writing in the trials of Apollo was terrible even by the usual character assassination standards- in the hidden oracle, he legitimately read as a gag charater who served no purpose apart from being "Will Solace's Goth/Emo Boyfriend". Things were hardly better in Tower of Nero, where he was basically just "Will Solace's traumatized Goth/Emo Boyfriend" who happens to be lazy PTSD rep.

Will Solace-

Can't say much. He was never a character of his own, and probably never will be. His substance as a character is comparable to the quantitative mass of an electron in Kilograms (9.11x 1/10³¹) i.e, negligible.

Nico's Healing Arc (or lack of the same )-

After what was essentially two series worth of fanfic-esque trauma bombing, Nico should have received a proper healing arc. Unfortunately, there was no such arc for him (courtesy of solangelo), because Rick has this earth-shattering, inspired-by-Disney idea that relationships can fix everything. So guess what? Nico's years' worth of emotional baggage, pain and trauma simply volatalize into oblivion .

Some shippers may argue "Oh but he got better off page"-but that it is bad writing per se; Nico's struggles, grief, fears, unhealthy coping mechanisms etc. are more pivotal and relevant to his character than a nascent, one dimensional relationship with an insignificant side character. He is much more than just his sexuality, after all.

Cliché and one dimensional:-

Solangelo is firmly rooted in the "opposites attract" trope, which is simply unrealistic in nature.

Also, newsflash: "Opposites attract" is a law specific to physics and chemistry; It's all fun and games till people who are poles apart sit down to take serious decisions, or share opinions. Friction between them can be rather intense.

(Oh! wait... I think Nico was described to be a Nitride anion {or was he Azide? No, I think he was Nitride} and Will was a Tungsten cation. So, they are basically Tungsten Nitride... Boy! They have so much chemistry between them/s)

Anyways, I totally understand why people prefer jasico, valdangelo, percico, nicobaster etc...

[realredbanana]

Every time I remember that canon!Will Solace kinda sucks if you think about it for too long, I feel like crying. Idk. Like, what do you mean my beloved boy whom I love dearly actually kinda sucks, but the narrative ignores it and pretends like everything he does is Totally Fine??/hj

(Not saying all fanon!Will is great! He’s sometimes not.)

[aria-upside-down]

I need someone to explain to me how Will Solace is manipulative. I'm being genuine here. Please explain to me how this kid is manipulative.

[darkcrowprincess]

Controversial opinion:

Percy Jackson fandom can be a little annoying. Because even when you block the tag percabeth, solangelo, annabeth chase, will solace. Your still shit out of luck because it makes up 90% of the Fandom. So it's just rows upon fucking rows of "this post contains filtered tags" when all you wanted to do was look up some nice nico(by himself mind you) di angelo fanart or some Percy fanart. But no its just rows of blocked percabeth tags. The ship I can't stand the most.

Do you know that saying where insanity is when you do the same thing over and over again, expecting a different out come. Yeah that's me. I mean really what did I expect? This is so like the owl house Fandom all over again.

(Don't like don't read. Post hate and I'll block you)

[dax-enfinity]

hello my friend

i came across your hot takes regarding a certain ship involving the ghost boi nico di angelo which shocked me

because I AGREE.

literally everyone keeps kissing the feet of solangelo is so fucking annoying FUCK SOLANGELO!!!

THIS IS WHAT I’VE BEEN SAYING !!!!

THANK YOU ANON !!!!

I swear, the PJO/HOO fandom has a HUGE problem with a lot of people not accepting the fact that people like to ship non-canon ships!

Those people can’t understand that people have been shipping Nico with other people for MORE than a DECADE

And no, Rick Riordan is NOT the king of diversity just because “S/o/l/a/n/g/e/l/o is canon!” The ship is bland it SUCKS honestly I’m not gonna deny it

Plus the ship has no development whatsoever because what do you mean Nico started dating this random Apollo kid 8 months after Blood Of Olympus and suddenly by Trials Of Apollo he’s magically comfortable dating this random guy

Did Riordan and the fandom forget the fact that Nico was FORCED to come out and admit his crush on Percy in front of Jason back in House Of Hades…??

What the hell happened during those 8 months that made Nico so comfortable being openly out at camp, not to mention 99% of the camp is scared of him due to being a Hades kid!

Those shippers make Nico out to be some “uwu soft gay boi who can’t be protected and needs Will’s help when he gets hurt!!”

He’s the son of HADES

HE WAS IN TARTARUS

And Will before his random appearance at the END of Blood Of Olympus got MENTIONED 5 times AT BEST

S/o/l/a/n/g/e/l/o shippers then act like shipping Nico with either Percy or Jason is bad because it’s apparently “incest” and the three of them are “sibling coded” when Nico had a CRUSH ON PERCY SINCE HE WAS 10

Make it make sense, c’mon now!

[madamewalburga]

There’s a special place in hell for people who replace Jason Grace’s place in the Seven with Will Solace. It’s beside me. If you think hell is bad imagine hell with ME, a Jason Grace supremacist.

[inhumanliquid]

Everyone's entitled to their opinion except Will Solace fans and solangelo shippers

"But Rick Riordan-" is just writing fanfic atp. His opinion is the least important, even

[miraclesnail]

70% into tsats and Will really did just pack a hoodie, food, the sun globe, but no weapon despite a weapon being the one thing that would help him be less useless.

[once-upon-an-animation]

My Unpopular Trials of Apollo Opinion:

Apollo/Lester should have gone on his quests in the series with Will Solace instead of Meg McCaffrey.

Here’s my rationale:

At this current point in time, the biggest thing that Will Solace suffers from as a character is lack of strong characterization, and lack of strong development, something that needs to be improved by giving him more page-time. While his canon cameos in ToA and TSATS have attempted to do this, I personally feel like neither of those stories, as they are, have done the job, and Will’s level of importance in the IP continues to outmatch the quality of his characterization. The best fix for this would have been to just make him the deuteragonist of ToA, giving him the span of 5 books to be characterized, and experience meaningful development. It would have also given him a chance to establish relationships outside of Nico, and given him an identity outside of just being Nico’s boyfriend.

Will being the deuteragonist would have also made space for Solangelo to be developed properly, so that their dynamic in future installments would have felt like a natural progression instead of a complete 180, or a dynamic that requires readers to just make a lot of assumptions about what happened instead of seeing the development actually take place on page.

The most important aspect of Apollo/Lester’s arc in ToA was to learn the importance of being human. While his relationship with Meg undoubtedly served that purpose, imagine how much more meaningful Apollo’s arc would have been if he was exploring the meaning of humanity with one of his own children! Apollo would not only learn humanity, but he’d also be forced to confront his neglect of his children in a more direct and constant manner, especially if Will had been written to bear some resentment towards him. Perhaps Will could have even brought up the deaths of Lee Fletcher and Michael Yew; that conversation would have been extremely painful but also necessary. After all, the permanence and inevitability of death is what makes life so precious, so understanding loss, neglect, regret, guilt, remorse, are all important feelings that Apollo could have explored by doing the journey with one of his kids, and constantly being confronted with how much he’s failed as a father. There would also be an irony in Apollo being forced to serve one of his kids, a direct contrast to how he’s failed in servicing them before.

Since Will and Apollo of course have a lot in common, there would have been some interesting narrative opportunities to create parallels and foils between the two boys, especially in how they view and approach Apollo’s domains. That would have really strengthened the narrative and made the whole thing feel cohesive.

[percabeth4life]

Part of the reason we’ve got all those ethical guidelines about doctors and patients is because a doctor may not do their job properly if they have a personal relationship with the patient. I’m a psych major, I would not be able to have a friend or family member as a client because I may not be able to see the situation objectively; if they’ve got a problem because of our mutual circle, that compromises my ability to help them because part of me would be concerned with the others in our group. This logic remains the same regardless of what kind of doctor someone is, a medical doctor can’t have a patient they’ve got a personal relationship with because it compromises their objectiveness; who here thinks they could operate on someone they love, they can know that a loved one’s life is in their hands and still keep their hands steady? That’s why Will shouldn’t date a patient, we’ve heard of demigods, plural, helping in the infirmary, surely one of them can help Will’s significant other; I’ll grant the friendship line can blur purely because they all live together, but Will’s not dating every camper and Nico’s not dating every healer, that line shouldn’t blur

Exactly. There are REASONS for those ethics, not being an "official doctor" doesn't matter when he's literally doing surgeries, delivering babies, and reattaching limbs.

[lady-menrva]

Incorrect PJO Quotes (1 of ??)

Note: ‘X’ refers to any non will solace character of your choice

Nico: I’m in love with you. X : We called off the prank war last night at midnight, dork. Nico: I know. X: Ah. Okay. Um. Cool. Neat. Very cool. Cool. Cool. Coolcoolcool-

[hahahax30]

The thing is, I still ship solangelo, but tsats has made me come to the conclusion that Will isn't in any way, shape or form hero material.

He's a great doctor but I'd rather shoot myself in the foot than read another book about him being a 'hero'. Like, yes, I can understand him being somewhat weakened where there's no sunlight but my dude is downright stupid: he genuinely thought it was a good idea to leave a resting Nico behind to poke at those zits (knowing monsters rested there). And that's the first thing he does in Tartarus! Where he brought KitKats but not a single weapon!

Will is:

A danger to Nico -> didn't he think his boyfriend maybe needed protection while he was fainted in literal hell?

A danger to himself -> who wanders hell alone and pokes around monster-zits (yes ik the name sounds ridiculous)?

Stupid stupid stupid

And I'm sorry but him being weakened and acting all grumpy and whiny doesn't really excuse his behaviour either. Heroes are supposed to be resilient; they should --and do-- power through their worst-case scenarios. Meanwhile Will complains more when he's in the underworld than Percy and Annabeth during the whole of hoh.

[hersheysmcboom]

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[darkcrowprincess]

Percy and Nico to a clueless Will during A Private Moment, (Un)interrupted by Doevademe (OriginalDaemon):

Nico's plan to make Will take a hint he's not interested:

Percy oblivious to said plans:

Percy being possessive of Nico:

My reaction reading the whole fic:

Really love this fic

(Don't like don't read. Post hate and I'll block you)