#anti will solace

[once-upon-an-animation]

If the TSATS sequel isn’t a well-written, well-structured, well-developed Will Solace-centric where Will finally gets a real identity instead of just being Nico’s boyfriend, I will officially give up on the Solangelo ship and anything related to them.

Solangelo has had 4 books to sell me on their relationship, both as a couple and as individuals, but I am so sorry, Will Solace is not a convincing or compelling character. Most of the intrigue going for him predicates himself on the whole ‘Happy Sunshine + Grumpy Darkness” dynamic, and it’s too shallow of a foundation. Cool for him being a form of representation, but as an avid and passionate story consumer, I am well past the point of being so easily impressed by mere representation. If you’re going to do DEI and representation, you need to fucking do it well. It’s not enough to just throw surface-level discussions race/ethnicity/sexual orientation/gender identity into a story and then act like your work is done. You actually have to design a story that’s worthy enough to carry that diversity. If your representation doesn’t come with quality writing, I don’t fucking want that shit!

So for Rick/Mark, it’s time for them to step up their game. Give Will a real personality, and a real identity. Make him an interesting person worth giving a shit about. Tell me what else has happened in his life other than just Nico. Tell me about his family, his friends, his siblings, his view on the gods/his dad, what it was like to participate in three wars and/or watch his counselors die. Tell me about the kind of people he was crushing on before he met Nico. Tell me what his thoughts about romance were BEFORE he met Nico. Add some real fucking substance to this character, I am literally begging you!

[lady-menrva]

(A truth his fans don't want to be reminded about...)

[an-exasperated-hades-kid]

So I've been seeing a lot of will solace hate, and I'm here to defend my son.

First of all, he's not a toxic person at all he's a human who can mess up at times and be unintentionally rude, like in that one scene boo where he says

‘Oh, please.’ Will sounded unusually angry. ‘Nobody at Camp Half-Blood ever pushed you away. You have friends – or at least people who would like to be your friend. You pushed yourself away. If you’d get your head out of that brooding cloud of yours for once –

^ that is rude but he didn't have bad intentions because according to him nico wasn't scary and the people that he hung out with - Lou Ellen and Cecil- didn't think that nico was scary either as they were both friendly towards him when they met him at the Roman camping area outside chb so while his delivery wasn't good he meant no harm and he also helped nico realize that not everyone hates him and then there are a few jokes that he made that people consider toxic or offensive but nico was never offended or sad about these jokes he only rolled his eyes and acted exasperated so he knew will meant no harm .

Will is canonically described as a laid-back and calm person, but he is also stubborn when it comes to certain things like medical related things which is understandable since he can feel everything physically wrong with a person by just touching them and is persistent that they don't die and Take care of themselves which is understandable since he saw majority of his siblings die and doesn't want more ppl to die .

Will is actually quite a complex character he's calm and laid back but he's stubborn and strict when he needs to be he's supportive and loving to nico but since he's a kid he struggles with being understanding sometimes hence why he asks persephone for advice on how to be there for nico properly showing that he's mature enough to ask for help . He's also someone represses his emotions because he thinks that as head counselor, he has to be a perfect example, and he told this apollo in the 1st toa book. He's also pretty insecure about his abilities, as shown in boo

Evidence:

You did,’ confirmed Nico. ‘But it was the way you did it. You made it clear that you wanted me around. You said you wanted me to come to the infirmary and help, because … because you could use a “friendly face”.’

‘It was true. And you did help.’

‘You brought me closer instead of rejecting me,’ Nico said, his voice cracking. ‘I’d never been called a friendly face. Ever. You made me rethink everything – my place in camp, my crush on Percy, my future. It took you scolding me like you were the camp director to make me realize that I was … wanted.

___

But with Nico … It’s hard, Persephone. I want the best for him, and he seems to disappear into his darkness, like he’s hiding in a place where he doesn’t want my light.’

‘Then why not offer him your darkness

_____

Nico sighed in exasperation. He hated working with other people. They were always cramping his style, making him uncomfortable. And Will Solace … Nico revised his impression of the son of Apollo. He’d always thought of Will as easygoing and laid back. Apparently, he could also be stubborn and aggravating

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In conclusion will isn't toxic and he isn't perfect and if I'm wrong about something please point it out cause I haven't read the books in a while and if I missed something please point it out and I'm sorry for the typos I wrote this without wearing my glasses as 3 am after studying for a test

[reblogdumpforme]

Hot take: I don't really care for Will as a character...Not that it matters, because he doesn't exactly have one anyway. I'm pretty sure the fandom wouldn't either had he not been Nico's boyfriend.

[realredbanana]

Every time I remember that canon!Will Solace kinda sucks if you think about it for too long, I feel like crying. Idk. Like, what do you mean my beloved boy whom I love dearly actually kinda sucks, but the narrative ignores it and pretends like everything he does is Totally Fine??/hj

(Not saying all fanon!Will is great! He’s sometimes not.)

[devils-little-sistaaa]

Just saw the cover for the new Solangelo book good god why is Nico wearing either blue jeans or sweat pants I can’t tell. He would never in his life. And why is Will wearing dark jeans. WHY DOES IT LIKE THEY SWITCHED PANTS. I CANT take this anymore. Stop beating this dead horse it’s been dead for a decade Rick please. Not to mention the cover is just overall ugly in general (in my opinion)

[aria-upside-down]

I need someone to explain to me how Will Solace is manipulative. I'm being genuine here. Please explain to me how this kid is manipulative.

[darkcrowprincess]

Controversial opinion:

Percy Jackson fandom can be a little annoying. Because even when you block the tag percabeth, solangelo, annabeth chase, will solace. Your still shit out of luck because it makes up 90% of the Fandom. So it's just rows upon fucking rows of "this post contains filtered tags" when all you wanted to do was look up some nice nico(by himself mind you) di angelo fanart or some Percy fanart. But no its just rows of blocked percabeth tags. The ship I can't stand the most.

Do you know that saying where insanity is when you do the same thing over and over again, expecting a different out come. Yeah that's me. I mean really what did I expect? This is so like the owl house Fandom all over again.

(Don't like don't read. Post hate and I'll block you)

[dax-enfinity]

you get rid of all of these Solangelo additional tags on AO3 and the actual Solangelo tags both romantic and platonic

And BOOM Will Solace is GONE from the top 10 most written characters on the PJO - All Media Types fandom tag

SALLY AND LUKE GET ADDED TO THE 9TH AND 10TH SPOTS

I DIDNT EVEN GET RID OF THE WILL CHARACTER TAG

[miss-athene]

You know that Will is bland as hell when 99.99% of his personality is straight up fanon pulled from thin air...no hate, but yeah just being blunt here.

[wanderingmind867]

Nico scowled. "It's none of your business, but I don't belong. That's obvious. No one wants me. I'm a child of -" "Oh, please." Will sounded unusually angry. "Nobody at Camp Half-Blood ever pushed you away. You have friends - or at least, people who would like to be your friend. You pushed yourself away. If you'd get your head out of that brooding cloud of yours for once -"

Ohh. Okay. Wanna play that game, huh!? Wanna victim blame the character I project onto!? No! No, how fucking dare you! Nico did not push himself away! He didn't necessarily reach out, but other people could have reached out! Instead they ostracised him! They made him feel unwelcome! As did you, I bet! So take your smug attitude and get out of here, william solace! You stupid victim blaming jerk! You have no right to speak for another person's experiences! Fuck you!

This is actually hurting to read. Because it feels like someone telling me: "oh, by the way? Remember how you have no friends besides your dad? Yeah, that's your own fault, actually." And that hurts. If anyone said that to me in real life, I would cry. Cry and then want to kill them. And is this meant to be the big romantic moment between Will and Nico? If so, wow. This is possibly the least romantic thing ever, and I think I now understand why some people hate solangelo. In time, maybe i'll forgive and forget. But this struck a nerve. So fuck you, Will Solace. And an extra fuck you to Rick Riordan, who wrote this victim blaming trash.

PS: I wrote this at school earlier. I'm just gonna say sorry right now. I shouldn't have said curse words and gotten so mad, but it struck a nerve. It struck a big, big nerve. So I had to stop reading and write this long, angry vent in my phone's notes app. There's some more posts like this incoming. Just as a warning.

[once-upon-an-animation]

My Unpopular Trials of Apollo Opinion:

Apollo/Lester should have gone on his quests in the series with Will Solace instead of Meg McCaffrey.

Here’s my rationale:

At this current point in time, the biggest thing that Will Solace suffers from as a character is lack of strong characterization, and lack of strong development, something that needs to be improved by giving him more page-time. While his canon cameos in ToA and TSATS have attempted to do this, I personally feel like neither of those stories, as they are, have done the job, and Will’s level of importance in the IP continues to outmatch the quality of his characterization. The best fix for this would have been to just make him the deuteragonist of ToA, giving him the span of 5 books to be characterized, and experience meaningful development. It would have also given him a chance to establish relationships outside of Nico, and given him an identity outside of just being Nico’s boyfriend.

Will being the deuteragonist would have also made space for Solangelo to be developed properly, so that their dynamic in future installments would have felt like a natural progression instead of a complete 180, or a dynamic that requires readers to just make a lot of assumptions about what happened instead of seeing the development actually take place on page.

The most important aspect of Apollo/Lester’s arc in ToA was to learn the importance of being human. While his relationship with Meg undoubtedly served that purpose, imagine how much more meaningful Apollo’s arc would have been if he was exploring the meaning of humanity with one of his own children! Apollo would not only learn humanity, but he’d also be forced to confront his neglect of his children in a more direct and constant manner, especially if Will had been written to bear some resentment towards him. Perhaps Will could have even brought up the deaths of Lee Fletcher and Michael Yew; that conversation would have been extremely painful but also necessary. After all, the permanence and inevitability of death is what makes life so precious, so understanding loss, neglect, regret, guilt, remorse, are all important feelings that Apollo could have explored by doing the journey with one of his kids, and constantly being confronted with how much he’s failed as a father. There would also be an irony in Apollo being forced to serve one of his kids, a direct contrast to how he’s failed in servicing them before.

Since Will and Apollo of course have a lot in common, there would have been some interesting narrative opportunities to create parallels and foils between the two boys, especially in how they view and approach Apollo’s domains. That would have really strengthened the narrative and made the whole thing feel cohesive.

[lady-menrva]

Incorrect PJO Quotes (1 of ??)

Note: ‘X’ refers to any non will solace character of your choice

Nico: I’m in love with you. X : We called off the prank war last night at midnight, dork. Nico: I know. X: Ah. Okay. Um. Cool. Neat. Very cool. Cool. Cool. Coolcoolcool-

[madamewalburga]

There’s a special place in hell for people who replace Jason Grace’s place in the Seven with Will Solace. It’s beside me. If you think hell is bad imagine hell with ME, a Jason Grace supremacist.

[reblogdumpforme]

Note: this is just a subjective opinion. I don't mean to offend anyone.

So, I've been talking quite a bit about AroAce Nico, and today I've decided to pull out a few excerpts from canon to get my point across:

Nico’s Romantic monologue:

My reaction: What is this? Annabeth’s PoV? Because this defo doesn’t read like Nico 😐

Also, I dislike the Will Solace part, because that was just cringe fan service in my opinion.

Nico’s platonic monologue:

I know this part is easy to gloss over, but here Nico is concerned primarily with Jason over Percy. He’s "loved" Percy for years, yet he prioritised his platonic love for Jason, the guy he knew closely for some weeks at most…let that sink in; he defied allonormative expectations here (both his own, and the audience’s).

Honestly there's so much more amazing platonic PoV for Nico...but this one stuck out to me + if I covered the rest of it it would take really long.

I know Rick didn't intend it, but Nico's platonic musings were so much better and organic than his romantic monologue, which seemed forced and disjointed to me.

No shit, but this is exactly the type of thing one would write for an AroAce character struggling with compulsory allonormativity.

Also, I just can't see Nico as allosexual. He's never struck me as such.

And I'd love to see him as a gay oriented AroAce.

All, that being said, I think its not possible in canon for him to be aroace now; if Rick retcons it, the backlash would be insane.

But, we still have room for alloace Nico, and I really want to see that because he's been an aspec coded character to me.

[inhumanliquid]

Everyone's entitled to their opinion except Will Solace fans and solangelo shippers

"But Rick Riordan-" is just writing fanfic atp. His opinion is the least important, even