#snoke no more

[greyturned]

honestly,  after the events of TROS is a whole other shitshow for him - after the war ends,  everything seems like it’s looking up,  he’s finally free and can figure out his own path and who he is without interference,  and he’s working towards rebuilding the Republic and prepared to deal with whatever fallout comes if the galaxy outside of the Resistance finds out that he was Kylo Ren,  when it finally hits him just all that happened to him,  that he had everything taken from him.  his childhood,  his chance,  his mind,  etc,  and was a tool of the Sith.  he never really got a chance to process all that after Snoke was killed because the fight wasn’t over and he’d been trying not to think about it.  he’s angry all over again,  and while he’s better about talking it out,  he isn’t inclined to do so because he doesn’t want to worry others with his problems and isn’t sure they could relate / help him through it.

[cruoren]

the urge to give kylo a pre-sequels era verse, detached from his lineage & main narrative... 

[percentstardust]

jedi leia can be something that is so personal.

[angelsaxis]

even if kylo were planned to be redeemed from the start, when you have a trilogy instead of a series time is just not on your side. you can do a lot in a dozen or more episodes that you cannot do in a trilogy. im of the opinion that if they wanted kylo to be redeemed, the redemption should have started from TFA. he's no zuko lol and he never will be, but here's some changes I would make if given the chance (and if for whatever reason I decided to actually go this route rather than the Finn-kills-Kylo plot that's 10x more interesting)

under a cut bc its long as hell but its totally okay to rb and reply if you want!

First, Kylo's younger, close to Rey's age if not exactly her age. Makes it more understandable (a little) that he's making terrible decisions since he's a new adult who's got a lot of power in his hands.

kylo's insecure, idk how many temper tantrums he throws but we should see snoke in his ear more, feeding on his insecurities and pushing him to violence more. clearly he's still got that conflict of light vs dark in him, and the decision to kill his father eats him alive. that guilt is the light. snoke tells him he's weak with it. kylo takes out his frustrations on the people around him.

i barely remember the plot of TFA so I'm gonna say things ~more or less go the same~, but we're going to play on the fact that Kylo Ren and Finn are foils. Now, Kylo's symbol is his right hand--black-gloved and the holder of his lightsaber, a symbol of his turn to the darkside. Throughout the movie will make sure to make it clear that that hand is a sign of violence. Finn and Kylo fight, Finn kicks his ass (is still injured himself tho) but cuts off kylo's right hand. so now his hand and lightsaber are gone--the symbol of his power, obliterated. Finn says some "you can still be good, I know it" type stuff and hottails it out of there with rey and the rest.

Kylo ren, in a panic and seriously injured, climbs into his ship and tries to go back to snoke for Emergency Healing. Snoke's like "you failed me, you're weak, you're no longer my apprentice" and so kick out kylo. Kylo crash lands on some random inhabited planet, near death. first movie ends with finn being healed and ren being pulled out of his ship by the locals.

second movie starts, maybe finn's got mobility issues because he got sliced in the back. id love the idea of him fighting w a ligthsaber and leg braces on. but before I get distracted, kylo ren is unconscious on this backwater planet being tended by locals who have no idea who he is, except that he likes to wear a lot of black.

this is crucial--he needs time away from the heroes to actually start his redemption. idc what anyone says you cant be evil and then go start trying to be friends without learning how to be normal. kylo ren is not normal.

the locals do eventually figure out who he is and its a humbling moment for him, and the first time we see him treat people as people--but in the mean time, when he's not healing he's helping around the village. learning patience and self control and how not to take out his anger on the things around him, which is helped in a literal sense by the fact that he's got one arm anyways so and he's not a lefty, so there's not much he can do.

like i said, locals figure out who he is and are pissed. this is ren's first moment of reckoning. he apologizes but also thanks them for helping him despite how he was a piece of shit for a while (he's completely healed by now but still missing an arm). idk how much forgiveness there is but they make it clear in no uncertain terms that they're obviously not the ones he needs to be apologizing too.

so kylo leaves the planet (idk how i dont think of those things), changes his name, and joins the Resistance (under the fake name obv. lots of people dont actually know what his name is). maybe they've got an informant and so in a mixup, kylo finn rey and poe are all on the same ship. they see each other, finn + co start attacking kylo (naturally) and Finn (not one for killing. rey and poe might be of a different mind) has him on the ground and cornered, lightsaber at his throat, asking "what do you have to say for yourself" or something. and kylo says he's sorry. Finn's force sensitive so he can sense the honesty in it. kylo apologizes to all of them; personalized apologies and how he's changed and how he knows his ways were wrong. he wants to help. he's got a lot of info on the FO.

they still dont really trust him but they bring him back to the resistance. kylo tells as much relevant info as he can, and he gets a new arm, given to him by his new allies. he doesnt try to take control, doesnt take a command position the way finn poe and rey have, etc.

past this point idk how much more I have planned, but that's 80%+ of the redemption. Finn can take down the entire FO while kylo takes down snoke or something (since their pain/trauma stems from those sources anyways). im partial to kylo dying at the end of it all but i know folks dont like that. anyways this is my idea of what a decent redemption arc would look like for Kylo Ren.

[perfectharmonyloveschaos]

I have to wonder, if they were to include Zeb in Ahsoka or any live action star wars, which would be preferred: a cgi Zeb mo-capped (Steve Blum is literally the only person I will accept) or a Zeb made using makeup and prosthetics?

[wangzapper]

if hux had the force he would either be an absolutely terrifying sith lord (he has a lot of shame and anger and fear to fuel him), or (more likely i think) he would just exclusively use it to keep his hair in place and sense when someone was off task on the bridge

[wille-zarr]

i wonder what the next major star wars event will be that himbo mandalorian din djarin will insert himself in the middle of accidentally 

[frumfrumfroo]

When people protest to anyone saying Ben is inherently loving or compassionate, I wonder what they think people in real life who do terrible things are like. People can be inherently compassionate and loving and run from that, or suppress their instincts and do commit awful crimes. But you’d think from the way antis talk that all villains, fake or real, were twirling their mustaches and plotting evil for the sake of evil every second of the day

The dehumanisation of people who do bad things is genuinely a very dangerous mentality. When you otherise the ability to do wrong, you lose all possibility of dialogue, empathy or forgiveness with wrong-doers (who then cannot heal and will never stop being wrong-doers). And you eliminate self-examination about your own behaviour, your own capacity to make mistakes or do wrong. ‘I can’t be wrong, I’m a good person! They must have deserved it!’/’My [cause/group/identity] is good and right-thinking so whatever we do must be just!’

There is no such thing as an acceptable target to dehumanise. It is degrading to both perpetrator and victim to engage in and is an ethical black hole that is always the beginning of justification for the most heinous shit of which people are capable. As soon as you’re saying someone is less than fully human because of [x], that they can somehow abdicate their right to personhood, you are on the way to thinking it’s okay to do to them whatever you want. How you treat others reflects far more on you than it does on them.

I’ve had so many exhausting, point-missing messages every time I mention that he’s compassionate and has a highly developed moral sensibility. Like yes, congratulations on your total rejection of nuance, you’ve cracked it, people are never complex or contradictory. We’re all 100% rational all the time and no one has ever been misguided or blinded by fear into thinking the ends justify the means. No one has ever scapegoated others based on superficial shit for that sweet rush of social capital that allows you to feel righteous while being objectively awful. Certainly not you, right now, thinking it’s okay to harass and bully real people on the internet because they like the wrong fictional character.

[lomiunknown]

I feel like it would have genuinely been cool if they had Snoke as big as he appears in the hologram in Episode 7, but then it was a big ass disappointment when he turned out to be just another Frail Old Man With a Fucked Up Face (tm).

[benperorsolo]

The obsession with the Skywalker name from LF has such “Unmm Ben is a SOLO actually” vibes, like the fanbro arguments of the past four years

Tbh as he should be. Fuck the Skywalkers, who apparently could only manage to love Ben from afar. Han Solo, the smuggler, the commoner, the no-name ungifted with magic or divine destiny, was the only one at the end of it all who came back for his fucking son, who looked his son’s demons in the eyes and said, “Yes, anything”, and brought his son back.

[waaaaanakin-crywalker]

me, suddenly realizing that the new Filoni-verse might mean we’ll get a coherent explanation/story arc for all the bullshit in TLJ:

[save-ben-swolo]

Rude.

Interesting that Snoke hated Ben’s mask the whole time because it allowed him to hide...

[cruoren]

once again thinking about how...  detached from his mask,    gloves,    and cloak,    kylo's presence can be observed as incredibly erratic  —  he detests keeping eye contact  /  his gaze will flicker;    his hands tend to shake a lot,   too.    he also alternates between hyper movements and complete stoicism,    depending on the situation. 

[slaughterhouseclub]

Someone’s in trouble

[maggiesarchives]

Ok but if Rey and Kylo were cousins (like, Rey was luke's daughter ir something) it would make a lot of sense why they're a force dyad and why each wants the other to join them... Idk I'm just having some feelings about ways they couldve made these movies better and I feel like I could have appreciated Kylo of they didnt make him such an asshole (for lack of better words bc I cant think) Like, a Ben redemption arc had potential if they didnt dial his evil up to 10000 like they did. Anyway many thoughts head full

[ncxilearchive]

» ADAN CARISSIAN VARN

          AN EERIE SILENCE,  AN UNCANNY CALMNESS,  HAD FALLEN UPON THE SUPREMACY IN THE PAST FEW DAYS.    Quite the facade wasn’t it  ?    It was so easy for Kylo to sense the uneasiness and doubts filling the air;  the dread that was so close to turn into panic crawling under the surface,  creeping inside the weakest officers’ minds,  making their thoughts about the whole situation rather interesting.    He had always knew that the moment the former Supreme Leader was taken out of the picture,  chaos was to take over.    Oh,  it was almost poetic in a way,  the cost of his and his Knights’ freedom being the downfall of many others.    Human beings were such fragile things,  weren’t they  ?   

          A low hum filtered past Kylo’s lips,  he was currently standing on the bridge of the ship next to the other,  with the helmet long gone,  there was no hiding the amused gleam behind pitch black hues at the way he could sense the fear that his presence caused to some of the officers.    He could almost taste it on his tongue.    His mouth slightly curving into a dangerous smirk.    ❝  This is it,  mh  ?    What a shame,  one’s fall and everything else crumble along.  ❞    Oh,  how he enjoyed pushing someone’s buttons.    A glimpse of sharp teeth.    ❝  How boring.  ❞

sc. @cvrsdordr​