#ship stance

[liverdoctor]

Looking through anti-proship accounts and it's got me thinking on my views so I'll state them publically for whatever reason just to air it out.

I consider myself neutral ship on the basis of using the "pro-shippery" type ships to cope with something in private is okay. If you are well-minded enough and old enough to reasonably understand that that cannot be done in real life and never should be is okay. Having designated and private corners like server, chats, sites, private accounts is alright. But do not, and I mean do not publically share that material. Do not normalize this kind of relationship. Having com-ship fiction in private is alright, but do not make it public.

[comradekarin]

when i got on twitter and said if katara had killed yon rha, zuko’s opinion of katara’s core character wouldn’t have changed (we even see that the split second shot of him seeing her blood bend) but aang’s would have- THEY NAILED ME TO THE FUCKING STAKE YALL! they hated jesus because he told the truth!

[hiekka]

they would have so much potential for gentleness in their dynamic after all their deeper complex-clashings would demand further vulnerability thus trust and understanding...

[aroaceleovaldez]

the way the fandom (and canon!) treats Nico versus Meg is so amusing to me given they have like one year between them at best. Meg in TOA is older than Nico in TLO. Why is every 13 year old in TOA babey when Nico is treated like the hottest emo boy who needs to enter a relationship Right Now or he'll Die but he only just turned 14. Meg is even shown to be basically equivalently powerful to a Big 3 kid. but she needs to be chaperoned meanwhile Nico at 11 is just let loose on the world unsupervised after beating up a ghost

[hocooart]

One of my many favourite scenes from Of Saints and Sinners by @morningstarwrites!

This one being from chapter 18 in Heaven, but don't worry - I won't spoiler too much, so you can go ahead and read it yourself! 😊

[skumhuu]

Proshipper = you're against censorship and harassment over fiction & curate your experience on the internet to have a healthy distance from things that make you uncomfortable

Antishipper = you're okay and even encourage harassment towards "freaks" and "weirdos" society deems acceptable to hurt

[arriettyspin]

I HATE how Jinx was turned into a mouthpiece for C_itvi this season. Why did her loathing of Caitlyn just disappear even though she acted exactly how she had feared in her hallucinations, nearly shooting Isha and leading the strike team gassing the Lanes? It almost feels like the writers took the homophobic Jinx memes from season 1 seriously and scrambled to contradict that notion in the most ham-fisted way possible.

I also find it interesting that Jinx (and Ekko, actually) never finds out about Caitlyn's physical and verbal abuse of Vi because no way in hell would she have said "you deserve to be with her" if she had known. And why was her final conversation with Caitlyn in the prison so out of character and forced? Why would Jinx apologise for the death of Cassandra, a councillor who contributed to the oppression of Zaun?

It's clear the writers were too cowardly to give Jinx any kind of strong political stance as a consequence of the Piltover-Zaun conflict being sidelined.

[tennant-the-tigger]

Photo Opportunity

Ext. J Edgar Hoover FBI Headquarters M: Scully, you've got to take a photo of me here!

TXF Fanart ☆ MSR Fanart

[sourisking]

how to avoid becoming/getting back into any harmful community

go offline (seriously. Online is not necessary)

block tags and block people. (Your online safety does not have to cater to others I promise)

Follow unrelated tags to drown it out (like art tags, Uhm… gardening?)

Get hobbies (seriously, distract yourself if possible!)

anyone else feel free to add on (or don’t idc)

Also: things like discourse can be addictive and detrimental to one’s health, remember to put yourself first!

uhm… this is probably not gonna get much traction but this is also kind of a me thing so yea :3

[raayllum]

4x03 / 6x03

[renjihoe]

This is the universal love stance:

[oscconfessions]

never thought it'd come to this, but we're banning a subject matter

every mod is incredibly tired of tacomic. we don't want to hear about it any more. i don't care if you're pro or anti tacomic, if you send in an ask about tacomic we will delete it. i promise you that whatever stance you were going to take in your ask has already been posted here multiple times. talk about something else for once

theres still some tacomic asks in the queue, and a few in the inbox that may get posted. but we won't be accepting any more.

-🫒

[sleepymim]

Ok so this is going to be my attempt to put all of my thoughts about Silco and Vander and their relationship and how they might achieve reconciliation into one coherent post because I cannot! stop! thinking about them!

As we see in s2e7, reconciliation between them is definitely possible. However, I think it definitely wasn't easy, and it wasn't motivated by a single event like Silco finding Vander's letter or Vi dying. I think a million little things needed to perfectly align for them to find back to one another. As others have already said, and I agree with this, I think the "happy" timeline is a statistical anomaly for them.

So what was needed for them to find back to each other? And like, disclaimer that this is obviously only my own interpretation of events.

First of all, I think one of the prerequisites for reconciliation is that Silco doesn't start working with Singed and doesn't get into Shimmer, which is supported by his eye having healed normally in the alternate timeline.

I also think that Vander's letter could only ever be a starting point for their reconciliation, something that would get them in the same room to talk again. After that, I think they'd still need a long, long time to get back to how things were.

Vi's death imo has absolutely nothing to do with whether they reconcile or not, because in the alternate timeline she dies during what would be Act 1. Silco is already past the point of no retunr here, he doesn't give a shit about Vi or the other kids, he's deep into his Shimmer business. He's literally planning to kill all the kids in episode 3. He would not give a fuck if Vi died in that explosion. If Silco and Vander are to reconcile, it needs to happen pretty soon after the betrayal.

But I think the most important aspects for their reconciliation are violence and ideology.

Obviously the actual betrayal is horrifically violent and traumatizing. Vander actively chose to drown Silco which is just like, such a brutal way to die. He does this because he puts the blame for the bridge fight escalating on Silco. This is unjustified, and the show wants us to know that Vander was in the wrong here. Vander himself admits in s1e3 that he has regretted what he did to Silco since it happened. In general episode 3 in my opinion very clearly communicates that Vander overreacted and that what Siclo did (throwing the first molotov) does not justify Vander's reaction (violent murder).

However! Vander also clearly still thinks Silco is dangerous and despite regretting how he reacted still puts some form of blame on Silco.

In the apology letter, he says the blood is on both their hands. The letter in general is shit considering the weight of what Vander did, and what it shows is that even though Vander feels bad about what he did, he does still put the blame for the bridge fight on Silco.

In act 1, Vander also says there are worse things than enforcers in the Undercity while looking at his brace that covers the scar Silco gave him while escaping. This is, presumably, before he knows Siloc has been funding Shimmer development and getting into human experimentation. He thinks Silco is worse than enforcers based on whatever happened between them in past. With s2, this is explicitly Silco's escalation on the bridge.

So obviously despite the time that has passed and the fact that Vander can admit what he did was unjustified, he does still believe Silco is dangerous based on their differing ideology. Benzo, too, obviously still holds a grudge against Silco for what happened.

So really the crux is that even though Vander feels sorry, he does not change his stance on non-violence being the right way forward for the people of Zaun, and thus he can never truly forgive Silco for what he did on the bridge - he still believes that Silco is responsible and that his own way is the right way.

I think as long as Vander keeps his ideological stance, reconciliation between them isn't possible. From both sides, because Vander thinks Silco's ideals are dangerous, and from Silco's side because he thinks Vander is a coward and a sellout.

Then let's look at Silco's side of things a little bit.

I think there's two aspects to his forgiveness/reconciliation with Vander: the violence and the ideology.

Canon pretty much tells us that Silco is willing and able to forgive the violence Vander inflicted on him. We see this not only in the alternate timeline, where they're obviously close again, but I think s1e3 tells us the same. Silco kidnaps Vander, but still offers him the chance to join him in the fight against Piltover again. I don't want to talk here about Silco's methods at this point in time, but he's obviously willing to put the murder attempt behind them IF Vander is willing to switch to his side again. He even says that his hatred for Vander passed with time. I think this implies that, somehow, eventually, with time, in a nicer timeline Silco could really forgive Vander for trying to kill him.

However, and I think this is the much bigger issue for them, there's still the matter of ideology. Vander betraying their shared goals, turning towards a pacifist, more passive approach to revolution and ultimately striking a deal with Grayson is what really drives the wedge between them.

This is what Silco despises Vander for: For turning his back on violence. Silco encourages Vander's violent tendencies, he wants him to become the person he used to be again, wants him to embrace that part of himself again. I think this supports the assumption that Silco would forgive the violence inflicted against him much easier than Vander abandoning their shared dream. Until the end, he wants Vander to embrace that violence again.

And a Vander who is committed to non-violence is a Vander who stands in the way of Silco's goal of a free Zaun. So as long as Vander stays firm on his ideological stance, Silco is always eventually going to get rid of him. There is no way for them to find back to one another if they remain on opposite sides of the struggle they used to fight together.

This is, I think, the crux of my interpretation of them:

Reconciliation doesn't only depend on Silco coming back to Vander and forgiving him for the violence Vander inflicted upon him. It also depends on Vander coming back to Silco, internalizing that the bridge figth was not Silco's fault, and being willing to compromise his non-violent ideology and take action again for their shared dream.

It's about the two of them coming back to each other.

[suntails]

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[ashenberry]

[ID in ALT]

mgs doodle dump + 2 shitposts i shoould like. organize these somehow. i wont but i should

thank you @counterfeitubiquity for helping me ID and also letting me steal one of ur memes

[puzzlevision]

the episode didnt broke me, i broke the episode