#sheith vs klance

[overelias]

I never realized what it was like for millennials to deal with zoomers being like “Wow I wish I was around during the peak of one direction” or whatever. But now watching new fans of Voltron pop up on my feed with their art and fics….babies let me save you….

[txtssera]

got into an argument with twitter moots over sheith vs klance in the year of 2024 bc of voltron leaving netflix LMAOOO but it got me back into the sheith mood anyone got any good fics it’s been years since i read

[my-pjo-stuff]

PJO shipwars are giving Klance VS Sheith. Sorry not sorry.

[eledritch]

Honestly, the only VLD ship that comes somewhat close to Jayvik’s dynamic is Honerva and Zarkon. I just wish people could appreciate Jayvik for what it is, rather than trying to fit it into Sheith’s or Klance’s dynamics. :(

oh that's kind of galaxy brain....you're so right

but agreed. something I've noticed in shipping lately (perhaps it's always been an issue, but just especially egregious these days) is more emphasis on archetypal dynamics (i.e., "black cat vs golden retriever bfs"...) than the actual distinct ships, which always flattens and generalizes the characters in annoying ways (& is deeply uncreative tbh)

[alohaasaloevera]

WARNING!! MENTIONS OF VLD DISCOURSE PLEASE PROCEED WITH CAUTION!!

yo I need y’all’s opinion on the Sheith vs Klantis (or just Klance) discourse way back then??? I personally think Shiro and Keith’s relationship is platonic but I would actually like to hear other people’s view points of Sheith whether they shipped Klance or Sheith or none.

I’m relatively new to this fandom (I started consuming vld media in late 2022), and god even I know the fandom way back then was crazy.. people definitely took it too far.

Also Sheith isn’t incest??? Maybe it’s weird for some people (including me) but c’mon they aren’t even related 😭😭😭

WTF…. People thought Plance was pedophilia?1!1?!1?11! Pidge was like 15 and Lance 17 at the start of the show and the law in the us says an 18 yr old and a 16 yr old can date, just no hopping on the vegetables….

Yooo klantis were crazyyyyy…. Now I understand why klance gives people PTSD

Anyways… just tell me about how you interpret shiro and Keith’s relationship and why

(Also I haven’t watched VLD past season 3 so I don’t know a lot of the lore..)

[problematicbyler]

i think people misunderstood me a little with the other ask lol. by saying "this stuff didn't happen in harry potter fandom" i meant no one was judging people for engaging in smut content. not that i know of anyway. i myself have read so many harry x ginny smut that holy water cannot save me lmao

on the byler tag some uers like to offer many creative variations of the word creep to refer to us, some of them being "we watched them grow up" (i can see why this can make some ppl uncomfy and i respect that as long as you don't force your personal opininon as the correct and only one) "these are teenagers you are sexualizing when you're an adult"

those things also apply to harry potter but i never came across anyone trying to cancel people the same way puritan bylers do.

I know what you meant, Nonnie!! We were just responding to the fact that another Byler somewhere in the tag did in fact argue that sexualizing teen characters didn't happen in other fandoms such as HP/PJO/etc when it very clearly did.

Not to be like *shakes fist* kids these days but I do think the anti mindset is a much more recent thing. If I'm correct in my fandom history, it really broke out with Sheith vs Klance in the Voltron days. But it's also just younger folks who don't know how to be in fandom, or folks who are mostly normies delving into Ao3 and then being surprised when the website for "freaks" has freaky shit on it. Or folks who are used to algorithms that put things on their feed instead of them having to curate their own feeds. It doesn't help that Stranger Things is a lot of people's first real fandoms.

IDK, it's a lot of factors, probably. I grew up in the Supernatural fandom where a large portion of fans were Wincest shippers and I learned very early how to filter tags, what ship-and-let-ship was, don't like don't read etc. I don't feel like many in the Byler fandom have really learned those things.

[komohine]

ok so I totally just scrolled through your entire blog and oh my god?? You actually might be a gift from heaven this has actually made my entire year

I genuinely thought I was the only james lover like ever - most of them just kinda disappeared from the face of the planet after 2020 😞 And JAITH!! Oh my goodness I am a jaith lover (jaith 🔛🔝) and your blog is genuinely just so good for jaith content I am actually set for the next 5 years minimum (I have zero artistic talent or skills so am unable to draw the jaith myself so people like you who are also jaith fans are actually the best thing in existence)

I literally check his ao3 tag DAILY 😭 There are so many cute fics for them (+sm cute fanart) but they’re all so old and I’ve read basically all of them, so seeing new content is a bit of a shock but a very welcome shock cuz woah wdym the jaith/james fandom is actually alive??

(Also I love the mandatory not klance tag on the posts, people mistaking james for lance is always hilarious so the tag makes me giggle lol)

sorry to ask anonymously btw, if I didn’t it’d expose my other blog 😭 (I have one that is non voltron related lmao)

LOLL IM SO GLAD IM COLLECTING ALK THE STILL ALIVE JAMES AND JAITH FANS there needs to be more of us (who dont also ship sheith lol) 😭

James is way over hated in the fandom (i didnt find this out till like yesterday guys why am i chronically like a decade late to fandom this happened with hetalia too note that i no longer am in the hetalia fandom i fucking hate hetalia) so ive taken it upon myself to contextualize his actions to make him more understandable and more of an actual character lol

Also small rant… ppl wishing he got killed off bcs of a few comments he made when he was like 14 years old at most? Bffr 😭 wishing for the death of a character for things they said as an angsty 14 year old vs claiming a literal geneva convention violator’s “redemption arc” was “ruined” is kind of insane lmfao (sorry lotor likers i dont fw him 😞) like come on guys. Also its very clear how much he’s changed like of all the characters in the show i would argue his redemption arc was the most effective. He was shown to be golden boy, super respectful of chain of command and a stickler for rules. So for him to go out of his way to disobey direct orders, break the rules, and not only put his life on the line but the lives of 3 others and possibly more to sneak Hunk to see his family, is actually like insane. Even if you disregard my jaith headcanons, the fact he would do that for hunk (and by extension, keith) is more than enough of a redemption arc imo.

Tldr james is my oc now ppl need to stop bullying him

[gascon-en-exil]

Part of me almost wants to schedule a Sheith-related video early next year with VLD leaving Netlfix, on account of the massive impact the Klance vs. Sheith shipping war had on the burgeoning anti movement of the 2010s...but I have so little passion for Voltron, or even for Sheith, so it's unlikely that will come to pass.

[shinakkyo]

gave myself psychic damage just now by watching a small clip of voltron legendary defender on youtube bc i wanted to hear how rhys sounded as coran & i had like a rush of memories of vld fandom drama pass through my brain instantly like i was dying and my last moments were screenshots of twitter polls of klance vs sheith

[ashpkat]

wAITEAITWAit ash,,,,, I gotta know For Science your opinion on Klance vs Sheith it's so important it's so necessary

ALSO "bad idea, right?" BY OLIVIA RODRIGO AS A CALRON EOD!CALL X MAKAR HERO GUY!AARON AU WHERE THEY'RE DATING ON THE DOWN LOW . IT'S.. ,MM

ok wait first question. i am a klance truther. a klance supremacist. i’ve never been a fan of sheith because i shipped allura and shiro (before i figured out weird age diff and shiros queerness) and also. shiro and keith are just brothers to me. like it’s impossible for me to envision anything but familial my brain blocks it out

(also i had a raging crush on shiro. i couldn’t ship him with anyone because he waS MINE)

ALSO YES. HOLY SHIT. BAD IDEA RIGHT IS LITERALLY EOD!CALL AND SAVIOR!AARON. it is.like. their theme song for the au that’s trapped inside my brain since 2021 that i’ve tried to write TWICE NOW and failed

[hymnism]

do you guys think labru and kabumisu will be the new klance vs sheith

[runawaysiren940]

Hi I just came by to say that I adore your videos!! You really are a Queen for being so open and so good with your essays <3

I'm writting to ask you, since I finished some of your videos directly or indirectly tackling genderism/misogyny and internet culture. If you would be interested in discussing more about the whole "profiction" and proshipping shit?

Specifically to discuss in dept and share receipts of this phenomenom/community's clear deep ties to gender ideology (the entitlement to individuality and special treatment over others, the extreme victimization like the Whole World vs Us mentality, the grooming and weaponizing of children, minorities and people with psychological issues, ect) and interesting similarities from both cults, and just the general anti feminism and anti women things from them in general (pro pornography, pro child sexualization/exploitation through legally and socially allowed means, pro kink/paraphilias, pro abusive sexual material, putting one's own pleasure and comfort over what's objectively and actually good and helpfull for everyone in general, homophobia and SSA fetishization, and I could go on for ages tbh)

Oh lord....

I do, in fact, have opinions and a lot of first hand experience regarding these topics (cough, cough, Been here for ten years now). Even more so than when I discuss asexuality or something, I can imagine this as kicking the hornet's nest. Not that I mind doing so, it's more that I would need a lot of evidence to support that analysis. I kind of wonder if some of the stuff I remember is still around (that voltron list some adult ran where she and several teens reporting Sheith shippers to the FBI? The old posts defending Klance and ignoring racism? The way Pidge was constantly trans'd, because she wasn't super feminine, and they preferred her to be nonbinary than female and comfortable?)

I'll definitely add it to the list, but it will probably be a while before I get everything in order to be able to report on it.

[strscrossed]

VOLTRON?!

...being part of the voltron fandom is the equivalent of living in fucking hell...

Stella I admire you so much even more now.😭

and it’s worse because I hated lance and almost all of his ships by the end and I wrote lotura (which lol after season 6) until 2021 🥲🥲🥲

it was hell alright. that fandom’s toxicity is so legendary, the whole anti shipper/proshipper nonsense started with klance vs sheith.

god…I do not miss the 4 years I spent in that fandom.

[vexednperplexed]

The funny thing about entering a semi-dead fandom late is that people talk about past drama that doesn’t appear to be there anymore. It’s like stumbling upon ancient ruins like ‘the fuck happened here?’.

Apparently Sheith vs Klance shippers was a thing. Because there’s always a ship war. Should I save my opinions or nah?

[seventhwheel]

ok here im gonna explain these bc i REFUSE to let these be lost to the ages, the voltron fandom was literally the peak of my teenage existence 

tier 1: if you ask ANYONE on tumblr, they will guaranteed know what these are

klance: popular ship between voltron’s lance and keith. trended at number one on fandom polls for genuinely, at minimum, 2 years

giant lions: theyre giant lion mechs that make one big mech

steven yeun voices keith: self explanatory

tumblr fandom: the atrocities of most of these happened directly on tumblr

tier 2: most people on tumblr know of this to some degree

sheith: second biggest ship from the voltron fandom between shiro and keith

galra keith: the highly popular theory that keith was actually part galra that was confirmed in season 2

bex tk: pidge’s va, got into numerous scandals, the most prevalent one being the power bottom keith incident

toxicity from fans: any amount of research into the voltron fandom will let you know EXACTLY what this is talking about

sheith vs klance: the near homicidal warring on tumblr between sheith shippers and klance shippers. to this day, i hate sheith with every bone in my body, although i can now acknowledge that holy shit everything got way too out of hand

dirty laundry: the first well known fic for voltron. it was a fake dating au, the pairing being, to no surprise, klance

the bonding moment: we had a bonding moment! i cradled you in my arms!!

tier 3: you might have to search a bit for this information, but it doesnt take much to find it

glass cupcakes incident: an alleged (and i say alleged bc there was no confirmation of this actually happening iirc) direct assault on the voltron creators wherein a fan of the show sent cupcakes with glass baked into them in order to make klance canon. again, i have no idea if this one is real or not

KICK!: 

you know i had to do it to ‘em

#socksforsheith: i believe this one is also alleged, but supposedly, sheith shippers were wholeheartedly convinced there was a secret ending to season 8 where shiro and keith were together, and for whatever reason? sent socks to dreamworks? to try and get them? to release the secret season ending? it was very very strange to witness in real time

season 9 in 2021 (although it may have been 2022): there was a scare after a very very blatantly false nerd news site posted there was going to be a season 9. voltron trended for the first time in years as everyone quaked in fear at the prospect of a season 9.

korean keith: very very popular headcanon that keith was korean, as he was voiced by steven yeun, a korean man. 

klance shipper extorting studio mir* (i got the name wrong on my original list): while on a tour of studio mir, the studio that animated for voltron, a fan of the show took a lot of pictures of material for a future season and posted them to twitter as a sort of? hostage situation i guess? to make klance canon. theres a lot of conflicting reports that this was just a sheith shipper posing as a klance shipper to make them look bad, but its never really been confirmed either way iirc

tier 4: this information is more well known in the voltron hemisphere but DOES breach outside of it

klance powered muscles: my favorite copypasta of all time. a multiparagraph spiel from a 30 year old proshipping yaoi enjoyer who used the phrase “klance powered muscles” in the middle of their villain monologue. i still quote it to this day 

klance vs viktuuri: 2016 was a big year for both voltron fans and yuri on ice fans. big enough that, when klance and viktuuri went head to head in a shipping poll on a website that was attempting to find the most popular ship of 2016, it got bot-voted ENORMOUSLY by both sides. the site decided to reset the polls and told both sides if they couldnt behave, another ship would win. despite the fair warning, and both sides attempting desperately to get others to stop bot-voting, the title ended up going to supercorp from supergirl.

whitewashed comic cover: a cover for an official voltron comic where lance and hunk were SEVERELY whitewashed beyond belief. it was later changed after fan outcry

“leave the math to pidge”: another iconic klance quote that ive put much farther down due to the fact that it is not nearly as well known or iconic as the bonding moment

tier 5: this information does not breach outside of voltron fandom spaces

the power bottom keith incident: the aforementioned bex tk was well known for their controversy and engagement with the voltron fandom. their most well known crime was, when told that the comments they made and liked about keith, one of them being about him being a power bottom, who at the time was 18, were completely inappropriate and asked for them to apologize, their response was “keith is 18. shiro is 25. sheith confirmed. power bottom. deal with it.” it very quickly became a meme through fan spaces bc the situation was just so fucking ridiculous 

katie klanced: my beloved. my idol. the one who started it all. she once liked one of my posts and i have never forgotten it. but in all seriousness, shes infamous in voltron spaces for the sheer amount of influence she had in the fandom. the mark they left on klance was truly impressive

shlav: people were getting real sick and tired of having no substantial slash ships with shiro (except for shatt) so they took shiro’s greatest enemy, slav, and formed an entire ship based on it. there was even a subship called shlavion, which was shiro x slav x minion (despicable me). for the most part it was a joke, but id be shocked if there wasnt some people who were serious about it

“move it, shaladin”: this video was a cultural breaking point for voltron fans. the heathers musical parody where artist misterpoof sings of their experiences being slandered for shipping shiro and keith. i was, and still am, a staunch anti-shaladin, but i have to admit. the cover is totally tubular 

alien herpes: during the season 8 allurance goodbye kiss, lance receives altean marks on his face for. some reason. all i can remember was everyone (or maybe just a select group of people) referring to it as alien herpes and like. theyre not necessarily wrong.

leakira: people were PISSED about the s8 ending. literally everyone got fucked over, HARD. so, having to move on but still being super attached to klance, twitter and tumblr created an entirely new series, that im not even sure had a name, that was literally just people drawing redesigns of keith and lance, named akira and leandro, respectively.

tier 6: you either have to be an OG fan or do some SUPER intensive research as a new fan

the klible: written by, to no surprise, a klance fan, the klible was a super intensive 50,000+ words long manifesto as to why klance would eventually be canon written over the course of the show. you can still view it here

i control the paladins: posted at the beginning of tiktok’s popularity, this video showcases 2 cosplays, one being of the witch haggar, and the other being keith. over the course of the video, haggar casts a spell that gives keith not just a maid outfit and cat features such as a tail and ears, but a pair of boobs as well. its just very iconic and still in my camera roll. oo nanana.

the voltron VR video game: looking back, i probably shouldve put this one higher, HOWEVER there is a method to my madness. this game was talked about for a WEEK before it faded into absolute obscurity. everytime someone talks about voltron, they never mention the video game, ever.i feel like im the only one that remembers that game. i feel crazy.

jeremy in LM’s basement: jeremy shada, lance’s va, was well known for, if memory serves, the KL dynamic in a way that fans tended to interpret as that they would end up together. while i have no idea for certain if that was his intent, fans joked that showrunner lauren montgomery was going to lock him in her basement if he kept dropping hints about keith and lance’s “eventual” romance arc

tier 7: you just. you had to be there

the greasy keith movement: a movement to specifically dunk on people who drew and wrote keith as the softest most pathetic babygirl in the world. keith was drawn as a stinky smelly mother fucker who loved cars and not showering and conspiracy theories. the fanon keith that was meant to serve as an antithesis to the OTHER fanon keith. 

keith “gerald” kogane: THIS. THIS IS MY FAVORITE ONE. BETWEEN SEASONS SOMEONE GOT BORED AND LEAKED INFORMATION THAT KEITH’S MIDDLE NAME WAS GERALD. THE FANS EXPLODED AT THIS SUPPOSED LEAK. EVERYONE WAS MAKING FUN OF HIM FOR HIS MIDDLE NAME BEING GERALD. THE SHEER AMOUNT OF TEXTPOSTS REGARDING KEITH’S MIDDLE NAME BEING GERALD WERE INNUMERABLE. IT WAS PEAK VOLTRON

the brony blogs: again, between seasons, fans got super bored and collectively decided to begin making blogs dedicated to the voltron characters being bronies. brony-matt, bronyshiro, bronylance. you name a voltron character, there was 100% a brony blog for them. i think even the bibobi’s had brony blogs.

birth vs. being hatched: youre not going to believe this. but voltron fans got bored again between seasons and decided that they were simply going to start a site-wide tumblr debate over whether keith was born or hatched from an egg. there was keith hatching fanart. 

space ranger partners: probably should have gone in a higher tier but THIS was the epitome of jeremy shada klance moments. he called them “space ranger partners” in one interview and the fans ran with it. say this phrase aloud to give a veteran voltron fan a heart attack 

bonus tier: stuff i forgot (subject to being updated)

“i chose god over shiro”: 

the vld-keith and vld-lance rp blogs: i miss them everyday. they posted quotes about each other. nothing was the same after they left

the queerbait: i feel like most people know about this, from the bury your gays trope, to the tagging voltron as “klance” on netflix 

the voltron minecraft trailer???: i only just found out about this one like, a couple days ago but i am SHOCKED that this was never talked about by fans

swiss roll shiro: i am not putting a picture of him here. if you need to see him, google search him, but i am not putting him here

if you know what any of this means, i’m sorry

[klanceprance]

Sheith or Klance?

Just had a friend tell me that Sheith is better. Joke's on him because I'm a multishipper and I ship both Sheith AND Klance.

Although Klance is still my number one, I ship what I like and it doesn't matter what ship you think is better. If Sheith is your number one and Klance is mine, it doesn't mean we can't still be friends.

Respect other people's ships!