#she does not get to be forgiven and therefore forget

[lucy-moderatz]

Are you through?

[spop-romanticizes-abuse]

Meaningless Suffering ≠ Consequences: An SPOP Rant Analysis

so one huge argument i've seen from SPOP fans, when it comes to Catra's redemption is that “she got tortured and mind controlled by Horde Prime. she almost died at his hands. therefore, she faced the consequences of her actions.”

now.. could this be considered a consequence of her actions? the important question here is: why did Catra get punished by Prime? for going against his rules and freeing Glimmer. she got punished for doing one good thing. this was the consequence of her doing something right. if anything, she would be more discouraged to do good in the future, because the first time she does something good, she almost gets murdered for it.

but i digress. i've seen this trope be used with quite a few characters in media. the other example of this i want to talk about is Marcy from Amphibia. (spoilers for Amphibia below)

in the s2 finale, Marcy is revealed to have stranded her friends Anne and Sasha on Amphibia on purpose, because she didn't want to be alone. while this wasn't as bad as any of the shit that Catra pulled, it was still a fucked up thing to do. Marcy deliberately took Anne and Sasha away from their home and their parents, for her own selfish reasons.

like Catra, Marcy also has abandonment issues. her parents had informed her that they had to move and Marcy was terrified at the idea of having to leave Anne and Sasha behind. but that was still not an excuse for what she did.

not long after her secret was exposed, Marcy gets stabbed by King Andrias while trying to escape Amphibia. she doesn't die, of course, it's still a kid's show.

but to make things worse, she gets possessed by the Core later on, which is shown to be an extremely painful and traumatizing process (which they barely touch upon later). and then they show in a flashback that Anne and Sasha used to ignore Marcy and make her feel lonely, when this was not touched upon earlier in the series. in fact, Anne was shown to be very caring and attentive to Marcy up until this episode.

at this point, it's clear that the writers are trying to make the viewers feel sorry for Marcy. if they keep adding reasons why she's so miserable and traumatized, maybe the viewers would forget what she did to Anne and Sasha. right?

there is a small scene in s3 where Sasha questions why she should forgive Marcy, but it is quickly fixed by Anne telling Sasha that she should forgive Marcy. there's also a moment of realization for Marcy but even that is done in such a cliché and lighthearted manner, where the severity of her actions aren't addressed. and that's it. Marcy is rescued, she apologizes, and is immediately forgiven.

but then again, like SPOP, the last season of Amphibia was trashfire. i refuse to believe that people genuinely liked that season, it was so badly written and ruined everything that was set up prior to it.

anyway, let's come back to SPOP. it's clear that the writers of SPOP were also trying to do the same thing. put poor catgirl through the wringer, have her almost die and come back to life and voila! she is absolved of all her crimes.

for those of you who are still not convinced, let me try to make a real world comparison. let's just say i'm someone who bullies or abuses people. one day while getting home from school/work, i get hit by a car. i get grievously injured and go through a lot of pain. heck, maybe it even leaves some kind of permanent disability or injury.

is that a punishment for my actions? you can call it karma, but let's be real, karma doesn't exist. it's just a coincidence. and you bet i'm not going to wake up in the hospital thinking “this must be my punishment for abusing people”. if i really am an abuser who has no remorse for my actions, a random accident isn't going to change my mind.

and that's what happened with Catra too. she didn't consider Horde Prime's torture as a consequence of her actions. if anything, she used that as an excuse to mistreat Adora and the others even more. it's clear that she pitied herself for what happened. and everyone else pitied her, including the audience.

imagine if the good redemption arcs were written this way. imagine if, instead of working through his issues and facing actual consequences of his actions, Zuko was just tortured and traumatized even more by Ozai, and the Gaang just forgave him because they felt bad for him. yeah, people wouldn't be praising his arc anymore. or they would, who knows. i know i wouldn't be praising his arc.

because this is not the way to redeem a villain. the only way to redeem a villain is to have them face consequences of their actions and work for forgiveness. to show them consistently trying to make up for what they did and trying to be a better person, not because they want to be forgiven or accepted by the heroes, but because it's the right thing to do.

[alicent-vi-britannia]

Small analysis of "Nunnally"

Today I bring you one of my favorite instrumental pieces from the Code Geass soundtrack: Nunnally's theme. And, by the way, I'll give you a little analysis about it. I was going to hold out until I analyzed Lelouch and Kallen's kiss scene, but whatever. So here is a preview of that analysis.

I think Nunnally's theme is the love theme of the series. Why? Because the series associated Nunnally with love in episode 11 of R2, "The Power of the Passions." At that time a conversation takes place between Lelouch and Shirley about love. The orange-haired girl claims that love is a powerful force that moves people to do anything, from the stupidest to the impossible, and she lists several examples to support her premise. Lelouch is convinced by her argument, when he realizes that his love for Nunnally has filled him with power. Therefore, Nunnally is the first person that Lelouch professed sincere and enormous love for, and therefore, Nunnally represents love from Lelouch's point of view.

An example of this is in episode 24 when Nina and Lelouch speak for the last time. Why does it ring at that moment? Because they are both talking about Euphemia. Nina is helping her worst enemy out of love for Euphy, both to see the princess' wish of a world where everyone is happy come true and to give justice to her murder since Lelouch intends to pay for his crime with the Zero Requiem. Don't forget that Euphemia is the reason Nina is fighting.

The music doesn't stop at that point and extends until the last conversation between Lelouch and C.C. Why? Because C.C. feels remorse for giving Geass to Lelouch. Geass changed his entire life and now he has to face the person he has loved most in his life, his own sister, and give his life for humanity and to pay for his sins. He has thousands of reasons to hate her. She used him, betrayed him, and lied to him for almost the entire series. But Lelouch has forgiven her everything because the witch has become an important person to him. In addition to that Lelouch takes full responsibility for having used the cursed gift she gave him and, rather, thanks her. It's a perfect display of love and this is what will motivate C.C. to live in the new world.

Above all, this theme is especially remembered because it was played when Lelouch and Kallen kiss and it is coincidentally the first time it is heard in the entire series. A few moments before, Kallen asks Lelouch what she meant to him and why he said "Kallen, you have to live" in front of the firing squad, to which Lelouch remains silent and Kallen acts by planting a kiss on him that Lelouch does not hesitate to accept. give the girl back. Kallen doesn't get an answer from her, but the music fills the void that Lelouch's silence leaves. Lelouch loved Kallen.

Why don't I say it's a "romance" theme? I'm just being cautious and avoid making strong statements. Fanboys hate my interpretation of Nunnally's theme since it implies that Lelouch reciprocates Kallen's feelings. Even if they like the idea that it's a romance theme given that it plays during the conversation between Lelouch and C.C., they can't deny that it also played at the RIGHT moment Lelouch and Kallen kissed, RIGHT after she wants to clarify with him the nature of their relationship (and much more strongly).

You be the judges. Music is another element of the composition and, like any element in an audiovisual product, it has an intention.

[cannoli-reader]

I read your post about sexism and military stuff in WoT and your idea that the story is not sexist for it's military being all men is interesting, but what about the rest of the gender essentialism? Women are X and Men are Y and all that?

It's still a case of sexist characters, not a sexist narrative. The gender essentialism is what the characters believe. They also believe, or profess to believe, that the Forsaken were bound with the Dark One, by the Creator at the moment of Creation. The Tinkers believe that there is a Song out there that will restore the Age of Legends. The Aiel believed they were always a proud warrior nation. The narrative clearly shows us that these are not at all true. Therefore, just because a character says "Men are from Mars and Women are from Venus," does not necessarily mean that it is an objective fact in the world of WoT.

Just to go over some examples, we have Thom telling Mat "Men forget and never forgive and women forgive but never forget." It's not even all that clear that Thom believes this, let alone Jordan. He's an older man responding to a 20 year old kid's inquiries about his response to a former romantic relationship. Thom's feelings about Morgase are very personal and complex and not something he is ready to get into a whole complicated discussion about, with Mat of all people.

It's pretty clear that Thom has, in fact, forgiven Morgase for her support of the Aes Sedai who abused his nephew, and he has not forgotten what precipitated their breakup. The following book, several months later, shows that he is still deeply effected by what happened to Owyn. By contrast, as we see in Morgase's stream of consciousness, it's not all that clear that she has forgiven him, for his acts of lese majeste before leaving her for good. Thom knew Morgase for years, certainly before she came to the Throne, and for the first few years of her reign, their relationship was purely professional. The romantic/sexual part of their relationship was less than a year. He has had at least one other very close relationship since then, and it was 15 years in the past anyway. It looms large in his backstory to Mat and the readers, but it's not the driving passion of Thom's life, and he really has no way to explain that to Mat without being dismissive of Morgase. So he blows him off with a bit of pseudo wisdom. But it's doubtful he really believes this and even less likely that Jordan wants the readers to believe it.

Another case that comes up is the wisdom of Marin al'Vere, a couple of times in tSR. First Egwene quotes her as saying that women want to be in love, but only with the partner of their choice, and that men need to be in love and so will easily fall for any woman who makes an effort at a relationship with them. She also gives Faile relationship advice suggesting that you control men by giving way on unimportant things and standing firm on important ones, and later, that men are basically just overgrown boys and can be tricked into compliance with sweet talk and bribery.

And this is all bullshit.

The quote about men being vulnerable to predatory women comes up in the context of Elayne's concerns about Berelain making moves on Rand. And the readers know it's not true, since Berelain's efforts to tie a string around Rand's heart (or other anatomy) failed, hard. Hell, Egwene herself tried back in the pre-series in Emond's Field and it has not lasted. The readers also know that Rand is, at this point, seriously crushing on Elayne and Min, the former of whom has done nothing to entice or entrap him, and if the latter did, she herself seems unaware of the effect it had. During the subsequent meeting between Rand, Egwene and Elayne, Egwene is almost hilariously blind to Rand's feelings for Elayne, puzzled by his reactions to her presence and oblivious to the fact that he is far more responsive to Elayne than he is to Egwene. With Faile, of course, we see the first bit of advice being repeated by Abell Cauthon to Perrin on handling women, with Perrin taking note of the similarity, and the latter advice Faile dismisses out of hand and instead persuades Perrin not by diversion and manipulation, but by straightforward explanation of her position.

The gender essentialism is something that the series only pays lip service to, and undermines in any number of places. Egwene is concerned about Talmanes figuring out what she is up to, because he is a man and men gossip excessively so he might endanger her plan ... only to learn that he figured it out from a woman gossiping. Things like this make it seem pretty clear to me that Jordan intended them to be taken with a grain of salt.

[asterssunzephyr]

I accidentally made another au

Its a lot more canon compliant and the only difference being Gem gets a proper corruption arc and the twins fight. (Colour Coordination: Fwhip moments in red, Gem moments in Purple)

Fwhips twin sword breaks and he goes to the grimlands to fix his sword and it gets darker due to him fixing it with deepslate(or obsidian?) and the redstone in the handle glows a whole lot brighter than before, but where the crack from his sword cracks glows purple due to the crystal he fused with his & Gems swords

The crystal in Gem's sword is glowing a lot less than when Fwhip gave it to her and it now has red cracks in it from the redstone Fwhip infused them with at the same time. She doesnt understand why, and if she asks, He doesnt tell her.

Fwhip fixes his sword and uses it as his main weapon, refusing to let go of his & Gems bond. Gem, while corrupt, uses her staff a whole lot more than she does her sword, therefore throwing the bond to the side.

The swords represent how close they are, as twins. Fwhip never giving his up and continuing to us it constantly shows that he was never ready to lose his sister; whereas Gem barely using it while corrupt symbolizes that she either A) Wasnt thinking clearly and abandoned the bond, or B) Completely left Fwhip behind for a moment in time.

Gem starts using her sword after shes uncorrupt, and Fwhip is using his too. The cracks symbolize that it all may be forgiven but none will be forgotten(at least by one of them). He forgives, but does not forget. She forgets, and does not have reason to ask for forgiveness for what she cannot remember.

The twins are poetically tragic, and constantly either there for the other, or nowhere to be found in a time of need. One is the count of their home kingdom, the other ran away to become a wizard, spearating them from one another until far later in life.

[rosalindthe2nd]

Coming in at number ten, and lucky to be placed so highlight quite frankly, it’s….. Sir Geraint.

Reasons:

- ok so he “Crown’d a happy life with a fair death” and died fighting for Arthur in battle which is obviously excellent

- Takes out a lot of bandits and the fight scenes are pretty cool in Geraint and Enid.

- Generous to the fair hair’d youth bringing victuals to the mowers by giving him a horse and arms, and does at least see to it that Enid gets something to eat before he worries about himself.

- Does eventually see the error of his ways and sort of apologises

- BUT is such a controlling arse to his wife. The test of making her wear her old dress to leave her father’s castle and be married seems maybe a little bit reasonable etc given his words to the Queen (who, however, I am sure would not at all have minded Enid turning up in something nice by the way) but he says “Now, therefore, do I rest, A prophet certain of my prophecy, That never shadow of mistrust can cross Between us.” Ha!

- (Though I guess at least he tries to explain to the mum why he’s not allowed her to wear the special dress her mum was so pleased to be able to give her.)

- This is such a creepy way for a man to look at a young girl FFS: “glancing all at once as keenly at her As careful robins eye the delver’s toil.”

- the opposite of Arthur in that he is over swift to believe rumours about Lancelot and Guinevere: “tho’ yet there lived no proof, nor yet was heard The world’s loud whisper breaking into storm, Not less Geraint believed it.” Why so keen to believe the worst, Geraint?

- Also assumed the worst of Enid, with zero trust in her and gets lost in obsessive controlling love to the point of being “Forgetful of his Princeton and its cares.” Arthur would never!

- I guess at least “he loved and reverenced her too much To dream she could be guilty of foul act”. but still! He is still a “wanton fool” and a “hasty judger” as, in fairness, Tennyson seems very keen to stress.

- Yniol says of Sparrow-hawk “the proud man often is the mean” which seems extremely true in relation to Geraint himself tbh. I actually prefer the sparrow hawk because at least he was young and, being forgiven by the Queen, changed and came to “loathe His crime of traitor, slowly drew himself Bright from his old dark life, and fell at last In the great battle fighting for the King.”

- Urrrghhhh, I can’t even with how awful Geraint is throughout Geraint and Enid. Paradigm of abusive control, surely. Actually quite a hard read.

- “Suffering thus he made Minutes an age”, eh? Boo bloody hoo for you, mate. Cry me a river.

- Hate him

[lilisouless]

I am going to spill some harsh truths, you are completely allowed to ignore and enjoy the scene. But i want to say why i think using it to defend the writting is actually a bad idea because it anything: it encapsulates everything wrong with season 2

Here is the thing: season 2 was very good at building scenes, while season 1 has bangers , s2 probably had the better and more memorable scenes. It has better ingridients, BUT here is the thing:

For that scenes, Two or even three female characters (and maybe one male) had to be sacrificed for the sake of a male one who ONLY got it for the sake of being the creator´s favorite.

They didn't care to link his story to Alina, either event wise to tematicalle. They were saying: "Alina is just background to the much superior Kaz"

They didn't care sacrifycing Inej (a character that, remind, actually is linked to the themes of the show) ´s villain. trauma or friendship with Nina in order to fullfil Kaz´s subplot. They were saying: Inej´s story matters less than Kaz´s , he is superior to her that´s why she must be sacrificed for him.

This is more on their ship obssesed writing than Kaz but still, Nina : a character thats actually perfecto to be the link of the crows and the main plot line is only a secondary on Kaz´s plot. They are saying: Nina´s background doesn't matter, Kaz is superior

To them, women don't matter, Kaz is better than all of them and therefore sacrificing them worths.

And i could argue Jesper got some hits but in his case is something that could have been fleshed out in the soc spinoff (and i´d argue there´s dept in it)

In fact KAZ got hit by it. The obvious preference towards him ended up affecting him too the second the scene finished. Because you have him saying "the trick is not to love anyone" yet the very same next thing he does is asking for Inej´s liberation. He is exposing his weakness in front of any person that could use it against him. They only cared that Kaz looks smart and cool, not actually be smart. It´s a sad irony that the attempt to paint Kaz as superior ends up actually hurting him too, being smart and calculating is a core Kaz trait and they sacrificed that too.

So don't get me wrong, i love that scene as well, i actually stopped niptiking the show in that momment for how invested i was , i remember saying out loud "well, i am finally seeing Kaz Brekker, where have you been?" The scene is good, i completely agree with OP that it absolutely ate. Freddy Carter (who btw i already have forgiven despite Kaz´s terrible characterization in s1) made me forget he ever was in that terrible horse show that made me wish he wasn't playing Kaz. The set up is great, everything is good.

However, the background, how we got there, who got hurt, it pretty much defines that despite his good scenes: Kaz , or better said, the obvious preference towards him at the expense of other characters is, without a shame, the VERY WORST thing that happened to Shadow and Bone. Kaz is a paradox where he is not a bad character individually but somehow he is the worst show in terms of structure because thats what happens when you have a creator´s pet. I still like him (mostly season 2, s1 was so meh and dull) but there was no reason for him to get so much attention and specially, so much things happening to hurt other characters in his favor.

In short, i believe in defending season 2 to a certain extent in certain parts (some things were obviously a set up for later things, others were pragmatic,etc) but that scene is the worst example of defending the show because it actually encapsulates everything that went wrong.

Say what you want to say about Shadow and Bone Season 2 being crap, but not a single soul can convince me that the Kaz and Pekka Rollins showdown is anything less than one of the greatest scenes in all of cinema.

[hacash]

season 3 predictions

(all of which are likely to be made completely redundant by 2x12 but HEY HO LET’S GO)

Sam. I think the opportunity offered to him by Edwin is too great to pass up but I just can’t imagine the show and the Richmond team without Toheeb Jimoh. Given that the writers have said they’ve planned these arcs in advance I don’t think he’d be written out for the sake of a new acting gig. Therefore because I’m selfish and desperately hoping he stars in season 3 (and could hardly pop back as a recurring character while on Edwin’s team) I could see him doing a Leslie Knope from Parks and Rec: ‘I want to leave Richmond better than when I joined it’. After what I hope will be a promotion for the team I could potentially see him asking Edwin for a year’s grace to help Richmond win the Premier League, and then he’ll happily take him up on his offer.

I’m also hoping like hell that this would be the push Rebecca needs to see there’s not going to be a future in the relationship with Sam. It’s interesting that although Bill Lawrence has openly agreed that the employee/age difference is concerning, there’s been little acknowledgement of that in the show, so I wonder if there’s going to be fallout in episode 12 in some fashion. Regardless, I think it’s time to say goodbye to Sambecca.

Keeley and Roy. I am firmly of the opinion that they ain’t breaking up any time soon. There’s no way in hell Roy has knelt down in front of Keeley so many times without it meaning something, so I am certain that next season will be the planning of the Kent-Jones wedding. 

I also have a sneaking suspicion that Keeley might end up being the next opening-shot of the season. After episode after episode of her working as Roy/Rebecca/Jamie’s emotional support, we got a tantalising glimpse into her psyche last episode: both with her uncertainties around being featured in Vanity Fair and her ambitions being shaped by her mother’s history. I love Keeley but quite frankly we haven’t had enough of her as plot - I really think/hope she might come to the fore next season.

Nate. I fully believe there’s no way in hell Nate will still be working at Richmond come the end of the season, though I can imagine him walking away in a fit of pique rather than Rebecca firing him. (Frankly, I can’t see Ted letting Rebecca do that.) I think he’ll end up joining another team - possibly with or without Darth Mannion’s help - and, although a lot of people here want this to be a devastatingly humiliating/humbling experience for Nate, I’d love to see this as an opportunity for him to genuinely grow outside the confines of Richmond (which forms way too much of his identity - and let’s be honest, can’t always hold good memories for Nate when he was literally asking his teammates not to physically harass him on a daily basis). I can definitely see someone - HigginsHigginsHiggins - giving him Sharon’s number to call before he leaves, and I like the idea that in the season break Nate could be dealing with some of his issues and returning to the Nate the Great we know and love.

However, I then think Nate will somehow end up back at Richmond. While you could argue that it would be better for Nate to make a clean break, it would honestly be a waste of Nick Mohammed’s bloody sterling acting talents to keep him away from Nelson Road for too long in season 3. I have no idea how a redemption arc here might look, but it would have to be good, and if there’s forgiveness to be offered, it should take more than the space of an episode - although I hope they don’t stretch it out too long. Rebecca and Jamie were forgiven relatively quickly; it would be a shame and a bad look if Nate’s own forgiveness journey was too disproportionately drawn out.

I’d also love to see Jamie, Colin and Isaac apologise for their season 1 bullying of Nate. Much as the bullying Nate suffered doesn’t excuse his shoddy behaviour, Nate’s own bullshit doesn’t excuse what our beloved trio pulled in season 1 - and crucially, we never saw them apologise to Nate or try to make amends. I really love apology scenes and I’d love to see Nate with some friends beyond Ted and Keeley - and that li’l scene in the Liverpool karaoke bar with Isaac, Colin and Nate doing shots together means I want more of this friendship.

Some sort of Jamie/Nate commiseration over shit dads and over-compensating for the emotional wounds they give us? Please?

More Higgins. In many ways Higgins is the emotional rock for our beloved Richmond: he’s the only one not suffering from some sort of untold trauma or struggles, and is able to live with a relationship with an imperfect father and yet be a fantastic father himself. I’d love to see a storyline where Higgins isn’t on the periphery but straight in the heart of the action, potentially adopting a Richmond boy or two along the way. 

By saying this, I mean Jamie. If we get a scene where Jamie is invited around to the Higginses for Sunday lunch I will cry. Much like Nate needs space apart from Richmond to grow and heal, Jamie needs close relationships with people who aren’t Keeley for security - mature familial relationships, and quite frankly the Higginses are the stable family dynamic Jamie needs right now. 

Why the fuck does Colin feel the need to remind himself he is not a piece of shit? Enquiring minds need to know. We’ve had episode storylines that focus on Dani, Sam, Jamie and Isaac; I just want one with Colin where I’m not emotionally devastated by the end of it, thank you Headspace.

This isn’t so much a prediction as a plea, but an entire episode where the Richmond boys are the focus. A night out in Richmond, that long-promised pillow fight, them finally taking Colin to go clothes shopping for something that isn’t a  button-up polo shirt - I honestly don’t care, I just need as much of their antics as Apple TV allows.

On a slightly more realistic note, the Himbos Greyhounds content rose significantly from season 1 to season 2, so I can see the writers carrying on with that arc. 

Ted. Fuck knows. At this point I can’t trust myself to predict Ted’s actions - I do think Nate’s going to be leaving Richmond, and so I can’t see Ted leaving as well. It would be amazing if Ted used the dubiously-written expose (c’mon Trent, you couldn’t have given Ted a head’s up or asked for a quote before the article was put online? forget dubious journalism ethics that just...seems inefficient not to approach him for a comment while you were writing the piece) as an excuse to talk more about mental health in sport. I definitely think episode 12 is going to have Richmond rally around Ted, and so I do hope the article isn’t going to drive Ted further into hiding and that he’ll be at Richmond by the time season 3 comes around.

Ted and Rebecca. I can’t have been the only one that caught that little look by Ted when Rebecca left his office in 2x11, right? Certainly the show has set up a whopper of a truth bomb for season 3, when there’s another heart to heart in Ted’s office, and though it could be anything, my little shipper heart is screaming  some sort of romantic confession of love. I don’t know, it just feels like there is a...a something between Ted and Rebecca that’s going to happen in 2x12, and I can’t help but think it’s going to lay the foundations for whatever happens in season 3 big time.

[hello-nichya-here]

Can you please explain the Azula-bias effect? It's an interesting term.

The Azula-bias is basically the bizarre belief that Azula is EVIL. No, I don't mean it in the sense of she's a villain, or an antagonist, or one of the bad guys. I mean straight up evil. Antichrist type of evil. She is not a character who did bag things, and she had no motivations, and no traits - she is evil. She's both a chaotic, insane bitch who does things for no reason, and a cruel mastermind who is ALWAYS planning something. Don't be fooled by her just casually taking a nap after lunch - it is all part of her sadistic plan to kill you and everyone you love.

The fans who have a very clear Azula-bias assume that anyone who goes against her in any is automatically right. They'll ignore the good things she did (or say it was "all part of one of her plans" despite there being no evidence for it), casually forget that other characters often joined her on her bad actions (like Zuko, Mai, Ty Lee, Iroh and Ursa all supporting the war at some point in their lives), blow small things out of proportion (like saying that her destroying a toy she was gifted, something that most kids did at some point, is in no way different from the time she cheered while Zuko was being disfigured) and they'll even claim she did things she never did (Suki didn't have a single scratch on her and didn't seem to be traumatized by her time in prison, and Azula full on told the warden to stop torturing a prisoner, but you'll still see people claiming Azula would torture prisoners all the time). They'll also either ignore the bad things that happened to her (like her mother's neglect and her father's emotional abuse) or say she deserved it all because she was "evil" since she was born.

*dresses up as psychiatrist* I classify the people who suffer from this terrible condition in 6 categories (patients can fit into more than one).

The Impressionable/Mistaken Viewer

Avatar came out almost two decades ago, and while many of us have watched the show again at least once at some point, there are still fans who only watched it when it came out. So, they obviously can't remember a lot of it, and they also misremember somethings. Considering that Azula was by far the most competent antagonist, the villain with more screentime, these people (who were likely kids when they watched it) are basing their perception of her on the most memorable and shocking moments, like her killing Aang. I have seen fans who were shocked to find out that Azula was Zuko's younger sister, and that had a very different opinion of her after rewatching the show.

The Ableist Fucker

These people took Iroh's "She's crazy and needs to go down" to heart. In their eyes, Azula stopped being a person/character the moment the finale came out and she started hallucinating. From that moment onward, Azula was no different than the classic, deeply offensive and downright dangerous stereotype of mentally ill people - nothing she does, thinks or feels is a result of anything other than "insanity". Her personality, backstory, trauma, and environment no longer exist. If you ask them to describe her to you, they'll just say she's crazy. If you ship Azula with anyone, they'll mock you and say the only ship that's good for her is Azula X Therapy.

The Incel

By far the easiest to explain. They're some dudes that see a lot of some girl that rejected them in Azula, so they harass people who like her, and then immediately start jerking off to her. 4chan is full of these guys.

The Angry Stan

They're big fans of at least one of the characters Azula ever went against (mostly Zuko and Iroh), and they HATE that she had the AUDACITY to ever defeat them in a fight and/or out-smart them. These are pretty easy to identify since they'll make sure to let EVERYONE know how much they hate Azula, and how she was actually the worst fighter/bender ever despite that being absolute bullshit. Sometimes, they hate her for "getting in the way" of their ship - how dare people prefer her for their ships over whoever their fave is?

The Victim Of Bullying/Abuse

Azula reminds them of someone who hurt them, so they let their trauma talk and preject all of their resentment over that person on to Azula. Many of them will accuse you of being an abuse apologist if you like her because they cannot separate her from their trauma.

The Preacher/Anti

By far the loudest and most annoying of the bunch, they cannot understand that people can like villains, complex characters, stories that have no morals, problematic ships, and even want a "bad guy" to turn into a "good guy". They basically think like all the people who bought into The Satanic Panic - if something is not openly, clearly, fiercely going against "the bad guys" in the very specific way they want media to do, then that media is evil and whoever likes it is also evil. In their minds, anyone who likes Azula in any reason, or so much as demonstrates even the smallest bit of sympathy for her, is a fascist, abuser, white supremacist, racist, imperialist, psychopath, narcisist, colonizer and literally any other word they want to completely miss the point of. Most of these people ignore Zuko's bad actions to pretend he is a saint, but there are few who say he is also irredemable and that the Gaang should have never forgiven him. There are lots of them everywhere, but Twitter is basically their current home and therefore hell.

[destroy-trash-boys]

waiting for people to get that any “morality” in p5 boils down to just “what makes my faves sad,  instead of trying to apply any objectivity

the only reason the fandom doesn’t really care about the other palace owners who are related to the pt being forgiven is because the game told us only the pts opinions and feelings matter. all good victims agree with them. we are never shown a single character who disagrees with their methods, doesn’t want a heart change, or who gets a heart change for their abuser, but still doesn’t fulfilled because the ethics of how “genuine” that change is is never actually explored

we forget about the rest of madarame’s pupils so yusuke’s arc can end with “guess he really loved you!”

we forget about okumura being part of the conspiracy and all the workers he worked to death, and that he’s the reason haru’s fiance is even a problem to be dealt with, because the game does and no one wants to be accused of character bashing haru to admit that she has nothing else to do in fandom besides go against akechi. we don’t see any opinions of workers families who might be happy okumura died, or who might not care if haru fixes the company because they still lost a lot because of it. okumura is only “dead father”

its okay for yusuke and haru to forgive them and want a relationship with them, so they are forgiven in the narrative. the fact that their other victims exist don’t matter. other victims who exist, who might have a different opinion on them, don’t exist and don’t matter because they would make the pt look flawed. p5 is very insistent on pushing that good abuse victims forgive their parents, because they’re still your parents. 

joker is written to conflict with haru and futaba if he wants akechi back and alive, but the third semester doesn’t say anything about maybe if other victims would have wanted okumura gone. his crimes are forgotten because haru. this is not the game missing out on haru’’s complex grief, or trying to be nuanced. they do not care. haru is written as forgiving him because the game wants you to forgive him. only the pts opinions matter and defined “objective” justice

which is why it’s interesting akechi gets the conversations of whether he should live and what that means and maybe joker is an asshole if he wants him around, but this is not considered a flaw when the game pushes the idea that forgiving abusers is nuanced and mature if they’re parents, and only villains like akechi don’t forgive. i can’t get behind any meta saying that akechi is very important for abuse victims who don’t forgive, when that point is written in game to make him a villain and he’s called immature by yusuke. look at the underlying subtext of persona 5. we’re not meant to disagree with the pts. i’d argue this writing is why akechi comes off as more evil and unforgivable than any of the adults, which is why it’s a strange choice if he’s meant to be an example of a teen victim the pts could be like, and therefore deserving of compassion.

idk guys i don’t think the only “bad abuse victim” being the one still considered the most evil character while most of the palace owners are forgotten about, considered more redeemable (maruki) or forgiven because they’re related to a pt. i don’t think that’s actually something to praise this game for. it’s not meant to make you go “kin!’, it’s meant to villainize him and it’s worth criticizing that story choice. one can do so while not liking him as a character, as i’m doing

[crabs-brencil]

just had one hell of a night so i might have missed/misunderstood some of your points but yeah honestly i feel that overall they shied away from those potential..traits? cause it's very like, at the flip of a switch, and to an extent that's fair since yk, like shit like that *doesn't* affect 100% of your life irl but it does affect like a good 85-90% so. yeah. at least, imo.

honestly the whole thing with hank interrogating connor and 60 is kind of silly, because hank had absolutely no framework for what connor knew that 60 didn't. (and ik they "needed" to have it like that so that hank and connor could talk about cole in depth like that, but I honestly prefer the way it goes in the machine connor version where connor tries to use it against hank only to get told, "fuck you, I know who I am now". like idk it's just so much more interesting and compelling and does so much for hank's character imo.)

anyways I guess I have thoughts about this haha but in short, huge missed opportunity with connors memory loss, I think it would have been so interesting if he started forgetting his mission eventually or something. like, to find himself outside jericho and have him ask why am I here what am I doing (ik he kinda does that when he talks to Marcus/north in the hold but like he barely does, yk?? like whoever your leader is goes "do you never have any doubts" and connor either just stares him down or says smth noncommittal. would have been so much more impactful if he'd already been thinking about that and Marcus/north saying that to him is the final push he needs or smth), or hesitate before killing Marcus/north or whoever. or if at cyberlife he like, forgot who hank was and allowed 60 to kill him or something.

I do think the rooftop vertigo is well done but they should've made it stronger I think. like, make him a little bit afraid of heights.

ugh okay I have way too many thoughts about this and for Kara and Marcus as well honestly like Marcus should totally have been more affected by the coming back from the dead chapter, maybe just guilt that he feels for taking other's parts like that or take it up a notch and give him like, phantom pain/compatibility issues/maybe a limp or something.

And with Kara I think it's actually pretty well done for the most part like she is very self-sacrificial for Alice which is interesting but I wish they extended that out to luther and her other friends as well. Like the game fully relies on the player being attached to luther/the Jerry's and therefore not wanting to sacrifice them but Kara herself barely flinches. which I guess could be taken as a manifestation of just how committed she is to Alice compared to everyone else but I just think it odd for her to be *so* self-sacrificial for just one person because it's presented as a core - characteristic of hers from my understanding. also I think she shouldn't have forgiven connor. especially with how she can be kind of trigger-happy I think it would've been way more inline with her to pull a gun on connor and tell him to get the fuck away from alice.

anyways holy sh shit sorry for the long ass text omg

Connor's memory loss shit is only relevant for that cop in Public Enemy. It's like ain't a thing at all in the game, acts like nothing relevant happened but I guess it can scare some people.

They also disabled few dialogues mentioning something like this. Seems like Connor was really going to have issues with memory at least in the end but I guess ain't a thing at all. Not even the whole 60 works - they removed he not knowing who Cole is cuz...indeed doesn't make sense if he's the direct parallel of deviant Connor dying and returning as machine still remembering the whole Cole shit like nothing happened. Just means he doesn't remember anything after LCC.

I'm dumb so I really don't remember other relevant moment where it really means something. Not even dying in The Hostage; only thing that can trigger is he having a suddenly "flash" in the rooftop vertigo if Daniel shot ya. I guess Public Enemy is the only place where it's relevant.

[xemptywithyoux-old]

wait a minute, is ISABELLA 'IZZY' DANIELS still in town? i thought i saw a flash of messy hair up in a bun, sport clothes used as a fashion statement, dark eyes which could kill with one stare! last i heard they were working as a DANCE INSTRUCTOR at TBD. when it’s the gemini’s birthday on 6/4/1997. i forget that they’re IMPULSIVE and celebrate that they’re LOYAL. i hear TINY DANCER by ELTON JOHN every time i think of them.  ⌠ zendaya. 24, bisexual, cis female, she/her ⌡

       A B O U T

content warning: familiar death, depression mention

♛     a native to centralia. her parents were both cops. his father is still working, but her mother died in action about five years ago.

♛     she was three when her parents won a full paid vacation to new york city, which included tickets to see a ballet. she was not included but they loved her too much they couldn’t leave her behind, therefore, hers were the only tickets they paid for. and it was worth it because she discovered her passion in life.

♛     she never stopped dancing after that, excelling at everything she attempted. her mother was just as dedicated to it, taking time off work to driver her to and from the nearest big city to classes and competitions. it was clear she would be a star.

♛     but then her mom died when she was seventeen. it was the hardest hit for izzy, because her father would never dedicate half as much time to be with her. so she was left feeling lonely and hopeless for her ballet career, but in one last push, izzy decided to travel to new york to try out for their company.

♛     it was a mess. she was too nervous, barely slept on the train there, lost her wallet within minutes of being in the city, and after getting late to the audition, and being forgiven for being from a small town (which felt quite discriminating to her in that moment), halfway through the audition she couldn’t land a jump properly which messed up her knee. izzy tried to finish her part but it was pointless. she knew the results before even getting them.

♛     that same night she ended up in the hospital, because her knee kept swelling up. her father had to come all the way from centralia, and long story short, it took them two months to get back home, since izzy had to get through rehab.

♛     she was depressed for the longest time. it felt like ages, but it was more like two years before izzy started to get back into life. she had shut down her old friends, she wasn’t sure what she had, but she started going out for walks, train her knee to last a little longer, and try to get it back to where it was, in hopes she could get back to her dream, which is what her mother would have wanted.

♛    she felt like her entire life was over when her dream of being a professional ballet dancer disappeared from her possibilities, but in hopes to still dance at every little second she could, she took on the role of a dance teacher at the local dance studio. she loves working with little kids- they bring something in her that nobody else does. they’re so genuine, which she feels it’s something people lose as they grow older. 

        M I S C E L A N E O U S

✯      if you don’t know her, you would not know she’s a ballerina. she’s too far from the type. she’s not feminine, and would put comfort over fashion any other day.

✯      ok when there’s a big event, there’s a little bit of a change. her mother used to get her get ready, got her clothes, did her hair– it’s kind of a habit she took after her mother passed. and she loves it. but she won’t admit it. and it won’t last long before she’s driving around with the dress undone and barefoot.

✯      done with your shit, her own shit and the world’s shit. doesn’t believe shit until she sees it. and that comes with people and promises. she’s very very skeptical. will throw punches, kicks and claws if need to. not scared of getting into fights. she has, in fact.

✯      she hates her life and is always looking for excuses to get out of work, or home, or anything.

✯      loves driving around town with the windows rolled down.

✯      she works out everyday. find her running around the park or boxing her own shadow to get some stress out. very straight edge.

✯      she limps a little bit every now and then, especially when she’s overworked herself- which happens pretty often, but she tries to keep it hidden pretty well. you will never hear her complain, though. just wince.

C O N N E C T I O N S

FRIENDS FROM SCHOOL. probably boys. she liked hanging out with them more.

THE ONE BEST FRIEND. the one girl/nb friend she had back in school. they were inseparable, know everything about each other. izzy cut her off when her mom died, and they probably started getting close again in the past 2 years or so.

FIRST ANYTHING. a boy, because she was not open. this was her first boyfriend, first kiss and first time at around sixteen, barely seventeen. tres cute. also cut him off when her mom died, their break up was pretty nasty.

COWORKERS

GIRL CRUSH. who she gets very nervous around and she’s just a bunch of ghfjdjdshj. girl is pretty obvious.

BOY CRUSH. who she gets very violent at. she’ll punch his shoulder. never admit she likes him. but she does.

NEIGHBORS? ➳     i picked up your mail accidentally, opened it and realized you owe a shit ton of money to the bank? ➳     you accidentally looked into my window while i was changing? ➳     you/i caught you/me getting locked out of my place and we had coffee while someone else came home.

i have no mind rn. give anything to me.

** by me saying girl/boy, i include all sorts of genders in between, it’s more of the way they present. *** connections can also be based on chemistry, etc. just love me and love her.

@liminalintro​

[linkspooky]

Can you please explain Shigaraki's feelings in the last chapter? What did talking to Hana mean to him? Did he hate his mother? And where Nana was from, he literally knew her from the photo.

alright symbolism time.

Shigaraki walks down a pathway that is made up of decayed parts of a house in front of, behind, and breaking into pieces around him. He looms far above a cityscape in the background. Also significant is the number of severed hands that are breaking into dust as they reach out towards Shigaraki Tomura. 

There’s several important images associated with this, so let’s just break them down one by one. 

The Hands

Eri who suffered incredibly similiar abuse to Shimura Tenko reflected this when Midoriya reached out a kind and helping hand out to her. That every hand that had ever reached out to her before that point was only to use her, or harm her but Midoriya’s hand was different. Midoriya’s hand was kind, and that was the first time a person reached out to her in such a way. She didn’t know anything else before that point. 

Hands, are symbols of heroes saving people. However, in this society not everybody gets saved. While hands are a universal symbol of reaching out to lend a helping hand to someone else, they don’t mean that for Shigaraki. 

Shigaraki lived through a situation where if just one person had extended a helping hand things would be different, but nobody did and because of that Shigaraki can’t believe hands are meant to save people. He sees hands in the cityscape but the hands are slowly decaying away, because he doesn’t believe a single one of those hands is going to help them.

Consider the situation as well. The heroes are not here to help him. He’s a thing that they need to kill. Shigaraki’s heart stopped last chapter, but even though heroes aren’t supposed to kill people the hero attending him makes no attempt to recessitate him.

The heroes who save people aren’t even attempting any kind of CPR. Like, if a prisoner gets sick, the prison guards aren’t supposed to go whatever he’s a crimminal and just let him die. If a suspect gets injured in a police chase, the police are SUPPOSED to call an ambulance. This raid has shown us two instances already, first with Hawks and now with Shigaraki that heroes are perfectly willing to kill people. There is nobody here to save Shigaraki, no single person in the world had extended a helping hand out to him, even the heroes just see him as a thing to be destroyed. 

Which is why it should be no surprise at all that Shigaraki walks towards the one person who shows him a hand. 

His Family

What’s important is in the feelings towards his family Shigaraki deliberately contradicts what he said earlier. 

Shigaraki narrates that he hated everyone in that household. That he wanted them to crumble away. That he hated them, and therefore some of his quirk activating and decaying them must have been on purpose. 

However, when actually confronted with them and speaking with them Shigaraki deliberately contradicts this. He says he’s built up hatred and resented his sister, but when talking with her in a relaxed way he begins to say he’s already forgiven her. 

When his mother asks him about the itch, he not only reassures her that he’s fine but he also begins to return to the child he was again. 

Even when knew his father was behind him he doesn’t look at him hatefully at first. He smiles at his father, and then looks surprised when he sees his father’s hand disintegrate. 

Shigaraki’s narration says that all of his negative emotions piled up, leaving him no choice but to kill his family. However, that is a lie because when he’s shown his family’s loving side in his dream-like state he responds by becoming the gentleboy he once was. It’s only when confronted again with his father’s abusive hand that he becomes Shigaraki again TO PROTECT HIMSELF. 

Shigaraki’s claims that he hates his family, that he wanted to kill them are contradicted by how gently he behaves when talking to his mother and Hana. He was even about to tell Hana that he already forgave her, or at least that he wasn’t angry anymore. That’s very different then I still hate them after all this time and feel no guilt over their death, which is what we’re TOLD Shigaraki feels but are SHOWN something else entirely. 

His family calls him Tenko, and he becomes Tenko again. All for one calls him Tomura, and he snaps back into awareness and becomes Shigaraki Tomura once more. The question is if he doesn’t hate his family, doesn’t want to kill them why does he choose AFO over them?

The answer once again has to do with hands. His family love him, but they don’t care about him as a person. They don’t care about his wants and needs. Shigaraki is walking towards life, the only way to move forward, and his family demands that he stay dead. They deliberately try to chain him down because living is a villain is somehow WORSE than dying. Shigaraki is siding with AFO yes, but he’s also siding with the one person who said it was okay for him to live, to keep walking forward. 

Nana, and the rest of his family act so entitled to Shigaraki. They are the ones who mistreated him, but they also insist that he can’t forget about them. Shigaraki does love his family, but it’s also important to note that at the same time he doesn’t know the love of a family that accepts him for who he is. The hands that are supposed to reach out and take care of him, have always strangled him, held him down, beaten him and tried to control him. That’s why even if that family is trying to talk Shigaraki down from destruction, he can’t listen to them even now. 

Because they never asked what he wanted. They never thought about him as a person, his own individual needs as a person. They all acted selfishly. Nana acted selfishly when she decided to abandon her son and cut all ties with him, instead of giving up being a hero. Kotaro acted selfishly when he forced Shimura Tenko to give up his dream so Kotaro could keep having his ideal family that he had total control over and beat him when Tenko didn’t. The other members of his family cared more about the peace of the household then they did about Tenko’s own feelings. Every single person has been seflish and demanded something of him, and Tenko doesn’t really know the unconditional love and acceptance of a family because he’s so used to being denied by them. 

Shigaraki loves his family, but he hates the way they treat him. He hates how they make him seem so small, and make his needs feel like they’re not important. That’s the nuance. 

He doesn’t want to be denied. Of course he goes towards AFO. He thinks AFO is the one person who accepted him. He’s not going to turn his back on the one person who showed him a small form of acceptance, for the sake of people who never accepted him once. For Shigaraki hands aren’t there to help him, they’re there to hurt him and hold him back because he’s never been shown a genuine helping hand. 

As for why Nana is there she exists in the vestiges as some kind of consciousness. It might actually be the same Nana that shows up in OFA, because the two quirks are connected. Which is why Deku is made aware of the fact that Shigaraki woke up, because Shigaraki is the one who was passed the real AFO quirk, and therefore Nana existing in some form in both quirks most likely alerted Deku. 

There’s also a theory that Nana is the hand which grabs Shigaraki by the back of the head, which All for One had and gave to Shigaraki, because All for One was the one to kill Nana of course. That’s been pointed out by several people who are not me. 

[xiasgone]

Bianca Scozzari is kind-hearted to those around her for numerous reasons. One reason is that she believes in karma. Being petty and snide for the sake of being cute can backfire on you in some form. Another reason is that she believes people are flawed, especially if they’re anything like the people she was raised by. She believes that some ( keyword, s o m e ) people aren't wholly awful, they have the ability to change and it's their circumstances that cause them to behave poorly.

Bianca also believes people go through bad days where they require patience and tenderness because who knows what they are actually going through. She knows there are times when the world seems to hate her by having constant awful things thrown her way, one after another. Whether these things are big or small, she just needs someone to be a little tender with her otherwise she’ll snap.

Because people tend to only look at one angle of a situation, or they’re caught up in their own mind, genuine consideration is hard to find. Therefore, Bianca tries to be the patient, tender person to others that she sometimes needs.

Furthermore, Bianca doesn’t like being a, “never forgive, never forget” type of person. It’s not because she thinks it’s wrong to feel vengeful. It’s not even that she thinks that all people should always be forgiven, instead it’s because of the way staying angry for a long period of time makes her feel. Being angry and spiteful feels like a heavy weight.

It feels like a cycle where she just thinks about the event or situation over and over again and she reenters that venomous mindset. Being kind, though it takes more work, makes her feel good. It is also almost like she’s defying the expectations belonging to those who dislike her.

Bianca just doesn't act like this in one universe either. In AUs where Sal & Eve die during her childhood, as a survival mechanism in her teenage years, Bianca does try to model herself after Cassandra. Be tough, be angry. Don't let people get away with their transgressions against you. But then, Bianca realizes that she is absolutely miserable having this attitude. She would rather let things go and move on with her own business. None of this is to say that Bianca can't be consistently annoyed by particular people or, every working relationship she has is easy for her because Bianca just smiles and is blissful towards all shade. Because let's get real, some people don't mesh. But - always try to be kind first, and try not to throw hands for the sake of karma.

[ageof9thhouse]

Signs in the Fourth House

This placement is where the Mother Moon feels at home, hence it is the domain of Cancer. Being the house for emotions and the past, it has powerful psychological and emotional influence on human beings. In Roman mythology Diana was the Goddess of the Moon, children, animals and women - her Greek name was Artemis (though they differ in certain parts.) The Goddess in both interpretations was depicted as sort of a guardian of innocence - light in the dark. Therefore there are these themes of “guarding” and “security” we stumble upon with this house. This is the house which tells us about our mothers, family life, our home, our inner voice, and our ancestry to a certain point but it is arguable.  

♈︎Aries / Mars in the 4th House:

The mother might have heavy fire sign influences in her chart. She is a leader and she is very assertive. She might be on the more aggressive side but as easily as she gets angry she is also quick to turn into a more bubbly mood. She is self-confident but to the point of insisting she is the only one who has valid points in this World. The house the native grew up in, involved a lot of arguing between the parents which seemed to spark out of nowhere. The most extreme case would be domestic violence being present in the home. The family might have had problems concerning their homes. Somethings always seem to break down inside the house. The individual might have some resentment towards the family. Looking back at her childhood can bring some anger to the surface. With a family life that is lacking peace, the person’s inner voice can be on the more aggressive side. The person has no patience for understanding themselves, therefore the emotions are all over the place. Patience with ones-self and the family is key here.  

♉︎Taurus / Venus in the 4th House:

The mother might have heavy Venusian influences in her chart. She is beautiful and graceful but can be a little lazy. She had a great influence on the home environment, she seemed to be the source of comfort for the family. The family life was overall nice but might have had been boring. The family is close-minded compared to the native of the chart. Even though the family is talented in the arts they are not that open to the “new”. The family may find it hard to accept the quirky side of the person, but they are comforting in certain ways. The house the native grew up in was very beautiful and they did not move around a lot. The food prepared in the house is of amazing taste. Perhaps the native has spent most of their lives in the same family home. An extreme case could be that certain members of the family (could be especially the mom) were too self-indulgent and prefer material stuff over emotional comfort. However, the individual thinks fondly of their past within the family home maybe because they choose to remember only the nice things about it. The person might seek material stuff to feed their emotional needs like the mother which can lead them to be shopaholics or binge eaters. They prefer to be realistic about their emotions and they are patient about their ups and downs.

♊︎Gemini / Mercury in the 4th House:

The mother might have heavy air sign influences in her chart. She is very intelligent but also a trouble maker when she does not have an outlet for displaying her intelligence. The family life was kind of turbulent and restless, something was always happening but nevertheless, it was very fun too. The natives learned a lot from the family and especially the mother who was like a sister to them more than a mother. The mother is very vocal about her emotions and hid nothing from the chid. In an extreme case, the mother exposed the child to too much of life’s reality when the child was not yet ready. The roles of the parents in the family might be reversed. The family was constantly on the move, never wanting to settle down on one house. In another scenario, the house was always full of people (maybe with questionable intentions) This amount of exposure to adult conversation from an early age lead the natives to have a very anxious inner voice inside their heads. They might always be in the need to communicate even when it is not necessary. They are very intelligent when it comes to addressing certain issues though and are very understanding of their and others’ emotional needs. They are not afraid of talking about deeper things.  

♋︎Cancer / Moon in the 4th House:

The moon has a heavy influence on the mother’s chart. She is very emotional and nurturing. She was definitely meant to be a mother and was accepting of the child’s emotional needs. The family life can go either way, it was either very secure or there were certain troubling things that lead the mother to be extra protective over the child. The family might have had some secrets that the native still does not know about. The house the native grew up in could have had been near the sea or a lake of some sort. With a mother that was very protective of them, now they are also very protective of the mother. There is a deep bond with their mother which gets stronger as they both age. The native is a very nostalgic person who tends always to come back to reflect on the past. The past always has a heavy influence on the person which can make it harder for them to let go. Even though they are very emotional they prefer to keep it to themselves and their mother only.  

♌︎Leo / Sun in the 4th House:

The sun has a heavy influence on the mother’s chart. She is a person who is in the foreground - a very optimistic and fun personality. The native looks up to the mother and is very important for them. The mother might have a child-like attitude towards life leading the child to be more mature than them or take care of the mother when it is supposed to be the other way around. No matter what the mother is highly creative and so is the family. The family of the native has a strong influence on them when it comes to their self-identity. Growing up, home life was very dramatic but fun at the same time. Big mistakes were made which were easily forgiven by the members. The house was very important for the family, so they were in constant search of the best house for them and when it was finally found it was magical. With a very creative and dramatic family life, the native is the same when it comes to their emotions. They are very child-like and innocent and they give themselves the space to make mistakes. Depression is not very common for these natives to have since they always find ways to light themselves up. Nostalgia is a medicine for them.

♍︎Virgo / Mercury in the 4th House:

The mother might have Virgo or Earth sign influences in her chart. She might be a workaholic who was very strict about having certain rules around the house. If that wasn’t the case, great anxiety was caused by the mother since she was not very emotionally open to her children. She might have had been a very critical person who was hard to please. The family environment was very focused on being “perfect” and this caused a lot of stress for its members. There might have had been a certain chronic illness that a member of the family suffered from. All of this lead the native of this placement to feel a certain dictate towards the past. But the family past is not a subject they avoid thinking about even though it wasn’t the greatest. They like to analyze their past and their mother’s actions. They always try to be logical when it comes to their emotions, always trying to understand what it is they are feeling. When they cannot understand it causes them great anxiety.

♎︎Libra / Venus in the 4th House:

The mother might have heavy Venusian or Air influences in her chart. She is a beautiful lady who is very concerned about the way she comes across. She is a perfectionist when it comes to her family. She probably had a lot of say when it comes to house rules and its decorations. She was a very just and kind person but kept her emotional side behind closed doors even from her children and maybe her husband. Only “good vibes” were allowed to be expressed. This has caused the native of this chart to be concerned with other people’s emotional needs and neglect their own since they always wanted to know what their mothers were going through or since they were taught to keep their emotions on a leash. They are very good at keeping their emotions intact. They love to learn about what other people are going through and helping them out. They are especially very nourishing and caring toward their partners. Taking care of the partner leads them to forget about themselves. They love nostalgia and tend to collect retro stuff.

♏︎Scorpio / Pluto in the 4th House:

The mother might have heavy Pluto influences in her chart. She is a mysterious and intense woman who tends to be very controlling over the family and the house. She was passionate about her hobbies or work and probably was not shy about talking about intense topics with the family but always keeping her mysterious exterior. The house the native grew up in had a certain dark-vibe to it which was hard to pin down, it is advised for the native to check the ruler of Pluto in their charts to understand better. There is a karmic bond with the mother, perhaps a sense of revenge or an intense desire to prove themselves to them. The native has a love/hate relationship with their past and also with their emotions. They go through stages in life which involves high ups and very low downs concerning their emotional needs. They are very passionate about the past and love to dig deep down to the throat of their childhoods.    

♐︎Sagittarius / Jupiter in the 4th House:

The mother might have heavy Jupiterian influences in her chart. She is a bubbly character who was pretty much the Zeus of the house. Perhaps she was born in another country and or another culture than where the native of the chart was born. She might have had influenced the family with her different background (religion/culture/philosophy). The house the native grew up in was either very big or full of different kinds of people who they never really got to know personally. Also, this can indicate that In their later years the chart owner may move into a foreign country. The family life was full of adventure and random family trips which the native goes back to from time to time. They are big on nostalgia, forever wanting to keep their memories close to their hearts. The mother was a very emotionally open person which allowed the natives to allow themselves to understand their own and others’ emotional needs. This also has made them a very intuitive person. Whenever they listen to their emotions they make the right choices but if they betray their intuition, big problems arise.

♑︎Capricorn / Saturn in the 4th House:

The mother might have heavy earth sign or Saturn influences in her chart. The mother might have had taken the role of the father or the father was more motherly than the mother herself. The theme of having a “family business” is heavy with this placement where the female figures are lucky with being successful. But on the downside, this has to lead the mother figure to be out of touch with the home life. The mother was too busy with their career hence the time that they spent with the child was very limited. In another scenario, the mother was not emotionally nourishing the child. This has caused the native of this chart to be afraid of their emotions and made it harder for them to be more open on a deeper level. They try hard to avoid their emotions and consult to logic which can cause depression on their parts. Remembering things from the past causes them melancholy.

♒︎Aquarius / Uranus in the 4th House:

The mother might have heavy Uranian influences in her chart. She is a weirdo who is peace with that but this might have caused the natives to not quite understand the mother. The mother has made some shocking decisions in her life so the native always expects the unexpected from her but of course, this has also caused them to feel unsafe especially emotionally. The family life and the places the family called home went through a lot of changes. Many of the changes were unwelcomed. The family is very open-minded and there is a sense of freedom to talk about anything but there is a tendency of trying to make logical sense out of emotions. The unstableness of the family life has caused the natives to be emotionally unstable as well. They might cry or laugh in the wrong places. But the number of surprising emotions will teach the natives to be open about them as well. They are highly intelligent when it comes to addressing deep issues and non-judgmental about what other people are feeling.

♓︎Pisces / Neptune in the 4th House:

The mother might have a heavy water sign or Neptunian influences in her chart. She was a selfless woman, you can call her mother Teresa if you will, or she was a totally confusing person for the native of this chart. She was an idealist and a dreamer who had influenced the chart owner a lot when it comes to their own dreams and ideals. In an extreme scenario, she was a person with a horrible addiction and influenced the native in that way. Nevertheless, there is a fascination with the mother on the native’s part. They might idolize or victimize her, sometimes they feel both of these things towards her. The family might have had lived near the ocean or the sea. The native always dreams about having the ideal family and the home, not being satisfied with the one they had as a child. The emotions the native feels tend to confuse and scare him therefore always seeking alcohol or something tangible for comfort. This might be a big secret they have. They tend to keep their emotions hidden away, even from themselves just to come across these feelings in random places and times.

(Art: “Diana and Endymion” by Francesco Trevisani)

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Anti-Catra/Catradora

This series has always felt like the Catra Show, and so much so that even Hordak never felt like the main villain. And nothing drove that point home more than season five proving once and for all that this series moral line(or lack there of) is REALLY about a Villain Protagonist when the character that increasingly became a MONSTER for FOUR SEASONS still got everything she wanted in the end.

Catra is the poster child for the moral bankruptcy of this series.

I can’t buy her “redemption,” or her relationship with Adora, because she WENT TO FAR.

Therefore nor can I buy the HYPOCRITICAL mental gymnastics that arise when she is a topic of discussion in the fandom.

For four seasons I watched this character WILLINGLY and GLEEFULLY jump rope with the moral event horizon. Then she finally broke it to the pieces when she genocides the planet, and everyone on it, because of her sick,evil obsession with being better than Adora.

Loved all this time my behind.

Catra was a vile person from her introduction, and just got increasingly more poisonous as the show went on.

The story seems to want us to treat Catra like a bad friend that said a few mean words here and there, and therefore all she has to do is sincerely apologize then friendship can begin again.

Here’s the thing Catra wasn’t just a bad friend, but also an ABUSER and a FASCIST.

She had multiple opportunities to leave the horde, had no reason to stay in the first place, gleefully attacks the resistance, is pretty much the direct reason Angela died, tried straight up multiple times to end Adora’s and her friends lives, and was just an abomination to even the ones on her side etc..

On the flip side we have Adora who doesn’t give a damn about Catra for four seasons. She’s too busy enjoying life with her REAL  friends. Try and recall, was there ever a moment where Adora was…concerned for Catra’s safety? Pining for her in any way romantically? Ever? Even once during the first four? Because I don’t. Honestly Catra wasn’t important to Adora until Catra showed up on screen. And then they both wanted to kill each other. Any moments of Adora thinking about Catra it was in the context of Catra being her ENEMY.

But I’m supposed to believe in their romance based on what?

Catra’s toxicity? Adora’s nonexistent romantic feelings for pretty much the entire series?

In season 5 all Catra had to do was one act of atonement and out of nowhere, like Adora has been possessed by the ghost of Queer Rep, she suddenly can’t get Catra out of her head. Also note Catra didn’t save Glimmer because she realized her past actions were evil, no it was all for Adora’s sake; the person she is toxically obsessed with.

Back to Catra, her redemption is handled with the most condescending of kid gloves.She seems like she was replaced by a clone for season five. She’s just accepted. It’s like seasons 1-4 didn’t happen.

The forgiveness was excessive, and therefore forced, so we could be okay with this ABUSER/WAR CRIMINAL being chummy and romantic with her victims.

For example Glimmer cries over her, kisses her cheek etc… Yet Catra is responsible for her mothers death, the world ending once before, trying to kill her, war crimes against Bright Moon etc.

Then Entrapta also forgives Catra like it’s nothing even though she sent HER TO DIE, and apparently she was in this hell space for a YEAR.

Same with Scorpia who forgives Catra’s toxicity in five seconds.

But everything is suppose to be wonderful because an abuser ends the series romantically involved with her victim?

When Adora said you made your choice now live with it THAT should have been the end of any reconciliation either platonic of romantic.

Even her flashbacks are her being abusive. You see her in one of them( in her so called redemption season at that) SCRATCHING Adora’s FACE to the point it left BLOOD,and JUMPING ON HER STOMACH just because Adora DARED to be friends with other people.

This was pretty much every childhood flashback they showed. She would emotionally and physically abuse Adora, and then Adora would take her back. This would continue even as near adults. It was a PATTERN(red flag) that Adora unfortunately didn’t escape. 

But…..I always loved you,says Catra.

For ADORA’S own mental health/closure she could forgive,but only if she also makes it clear that she doesn’t want her abuser/war criminal ex friend back in her life.

I could have tolerated that ending instead of Adora becoming a COUPLE with her ABUSER.

Basically this villain sue ends the show getting everything she wants even after evil manipulation of several characters, genocide, war crimes against her own people, physical and mental abuse(especially toward Adora), repeated attempts at murder toward again especially Adora( bares repeating loved all this time my behind) as well as anyone else within spitting distance of her toxicity.

She gets to be pretty much a abusive scum bucket for four seasons, on top of ACTUALLY DOING THE SAME THING PRIME WANTED TO DO, yet whiplash forgiveness and Lesbians 4 Evah is her ending.

“So we’re all just okay with this?”, says Mermista incredulously of the war criminal Hordak. Good question,but then I remember you all seem to be okay with war criminal Catra who is pretty much Hordak’s parallel soo ….

Her mirror Hordak, according to the showrunner, is sentenced to beast island for his war crimes. However, my question then becomes where is Catra’s sentence?

Oh, that’s right if you’re Catra you get to be a war criminal in peace.

It’s also convenient that Mermista’s was chipped,and therefore didn’t get to say anything to the girl who helped bring down her kingdom with a smile on her face.

Funny how that worked out.

It’s even more convenient that her victims gave their lighting fast forgiveness.

Can’t have icky things like abuse and war crimes get in the way of that ending smooch you know.

I suppose we also just need to look at Angella as collateral damage while we smile at her daughter hug and kiss her killer I guess.

I also find it odd(since were loving abusers and war criminals) that Shadow Weaver point blank doesn’t get forgiveness from Adora, and she even ends the series dead. However, she defected to the good side in season two(regardless of any impure motivation), and stayed there and helped the protagonists until her season five death. But Catra who not only stayed with the conquering organization the Horde for almost the entire series,and even became their LEADER, was not only forgiven but also given a romance with her victim. Curious.

I’m tired of this abominable trope invading every piece of media.

An antagonist crosses the moral event horizon, and some even break it to pieces, but somehow the story gets selective amnesia and thus they are free to join the protagonists with their numerous sick crimes ignored or a sob story is bsed into a justification onto why we should ignore physical and emotional abuse and/or the numerous bodies piled up.

When you don’t have a moral LINE in your narrative then that means you have already made a mockery out of morality and numerous victims.

The only way I can stomach her season five ‘redemption’, and lighting quick forgiveness, is if I forget the monster of four seasons didn’t exist. Problem is I can’t do that.

Why should I get any catharsis that the protagonists prevailed over Horde Prime when you have two characters in  particular(Hordak,Catra) that are pretty much him with a sob story attached. If THEY get to kumbaya with the hero’s then Prime should to because that’s honestly where the morals are at in this story.

I had to stop watching two shows(Vampire Diaries and Once Upon a Time) because I got tired of this sick trope. There were SEASONS worth of whitewashing and selective amnesia for two sick and evil characters(Damien Savatore and Regina), to the point their VICTIMS became their BIGGEST CHEERLEADERS and LOVE INTERESTS.

There is no justice when this vile trope is in play.

The moral event horizon exists for a reason. It means once a character has jumped over it then there should be no moral way they can come back from it.

Humanizing them is a good narrative choice,but that humanization doesn’t and SHOULDN’T erase their heinous crimes.

Thus the only true ending that moral event horizon characters should get are redemption equals death or thanks for growing a conscious and helping us out, but you’re STILL going to prison for life afterwards kay. They don’t get to kumbaya with their victims while the other one’s, THE DEAD BODIES, stay cold.

But you know if I HAD to I COULD have TOLERATED Catra and Hordak going on an atonement journey so they could help the people still living that they made homeless/ lives they ruined. Also they can do this while they both get the therapy they badly need.

I needed CONSEQUENCES that STUCK.

Instead Catra (ADORA’S ABUSER) gets to make out with Adora(HER VICTIM), and also become her girlfriend as well as best friends of her other victims.

So it seems this show’s message is no matter how much emotional and physical pain a person does to you it’s okay to not only let them back in your life(damn your mental health I guess),but also enter a romantic relationship with them to.

Yes, that’s what children need to see.

I did my research on the show runner, and the creators pet/villain sue bias became clearer when I did so. Catra is HER pretty much, and Adora is her wife.

That explains EVERYTHING, and not in a good way.

What the show’s title should actually be called: She-Ra: The Show Where The Villain Sue Antagonist,War Criminal Abuser, Gets a Happily Ever After With Her Victim; Whom She Emotionally and Physically Abused for Four Seasons. Another alternate: She-Ra: The Story of Lesbian Reylo.

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