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HARWIN LITERALLY JUST A MAN
I have wanted to make this post for some time now, I just didn't know how.
Everywhere I have been engaging with the daemyra, f&b, and hotd fandoms, there seems to be this synonym agreement that Harwin is a goodie golden boy. Yet that description never fits from what little we can assume and know. It also bothers me how so many points at Rhaenyra in regard to their affair but not at Harwin.
Talking the book, we know his sisters are Rhaenyra's ladies and his father is the hand. He has been in King's Landing since Rhaenyra was a child. It is unrealistic to suggest they haven't been in the same circles at court, HIS FATHER IS THE HAND AND SISTERS HER LADIES. People love to point the finger at Daemon but praise Harwin for being this self-sacrificing man. But what is he sacrificing? He becomes the lover of the girl he watched grow up. He fathers children on her, he becomes her sworn shield. He gets both soft and hard power over her. This man takes so much from her, and what does she get in return?
If the fandom is going to give Daemon malicious intentions with his relationship with Rhaenyra, why give Harwin a pass? Harwin has everything to gain from being Rhaenyra's lover. And it isn't as if he will face the wrath of society for his deeds. He is just the lucky man who gets to fuck the Realms Delight. If Daemon is a man of his time, then so is Harwin. Because he does nothing to help Rhaenyra in regard to the bastard allegations, he never removes himself, marries, or does anything helpful. Why? Because he is a man, and having bastards is totally normal for men in Westeros. He has grown up knowing that is unfortunate, but 'oh well it happened'.
Just because he stayed beside her when she gave birth, means shit nothing. He was decent about that, good for him. It is the same as Laenor being beside her, even though he couldn't care less about her. That doesn't make him a saint for being at her side.
It is funny how she chose the son of the hand as her lover. There were surely others, let's not pretend there wouldn't be. One could argue that Harwin had Rhaenyra's trust and that she had known him for years. He has also been in close proximity to her since she was 8 years old. He could have easily positioned himself well because as she aged she became a beauty, and he being a man wanted her. Harwin had every opportunity to manipulate his way into her bed, and that trust he has as her sworn shield is giving Criston Cole vibes just played better. It is also worth mentioning that Rhaenyra was vulnerable at the time. She was forced to marry, threatened with disinheritance, had to deal with Alicent, and her Daemon was sent away by her father. Harwin was just being a friend, bffr. He saw an opening and took it, nothing more to it.
Harwin's actions reflect that he may have cared for Rhaenyra but in a selfish way. If he wanted to truly help her case and his own, he would FUCKING MARRY SOMEONE. So if Daemon is being treated as this evil power-grabbing person, so should Harwin. Sorry, not sorry.
Also check out @sydalelys01 post about harwin and criston, it's really good.
Let's see if i get hate for it. Can't wait.
#rhaenyra targaryen#harwin strong#I will not be taking criticism today maybe tomorrow#HE ISNT A GOD AMONG MEN#anti harwin strong#daemon targaryen#team fire#sad otto got back tho
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I want to ask because I saw where you answered someone that Mertha's death might be due to Aemond feeding her to Vhagar or Finan decapitating her. I just really wish she pulled a Cersei move on her like how Cersei got back at the Speta lady. But then counting which way she goes. It would be cool if she got set up and framed with evidence pointed at her and Alicent had to bite her tongue if Otto says a sacrifice is a sacrifice. And Daenera let Mertha know it was her, that brought her ruin. Daenera's final words are like "I hope your gods are merciful on you seeing is how I find out your husband has birth another bastard with his mistress. So sad and pathetic for a religious old cunt like you." if Mertha's husband does have a mistress. Because I think you said there is a reason behind her hate for bastards and I think all her children are bastards and she is barren. So she techinally hates those children because she was force to raise them. Or she somewhat says " I guess for even the most devout of people, curses tend to be stronger even against the Seven." "You who hate bastards, believing they are sin and you the most loyal to the royal family committing a grave sin. How comical. I guess you weren't all that devout where you Mertha." I can just see Daenera saying this with Mertha either mad or being a hypocrite and begging the princess for her life only for Daenera to turn laughing while Mertha cursed her. I know Alicent feels in her bones that Daenera is behind it and it just makes her more scared and wary of Daenera curses.
I imagine we'll find out more about Mertha and her hatred for bastards around the time of the pregnancy reveal--but I can tell you, you're not wrong. And Daenera will literally scheme and plot for Mertha's downfall, making sure that she's dishonored, and she'll make sure that Mertha knows that it is her. I don't know whether she'll have the opportunity to speak with Mertha before justice is delivered tho, but I will try.
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HotD Season 2 Episode 2 Live Watch Thoughts
King’s Landing
Ok so Alicent blames herself
Arbon is distraught
And we're supposed to know who Ironrod is
Well Otto's idea isn’t bad but it’s very cold hearted
Helaena holding her baby’s blanket 😭
It’s sad how the first time she speaks coherently on the show it's after her son's death
Here comes Larys with his torture devices
He was a baby 😢
Honestly Aegon should’ve waited a bit…to see if they got more info. BUT it’s Aegon and he’a not known for impulse control so what can we expect?
Poor Helaena, she's so obviously uncomfortable and having a panic attack
This would’ve been a good moment for Dreamfyre to appear and highlight how Helaena is also a dragon rider
Dragonstone
Rhaenyra is so clueless sadly
Obviously it's Ser Alfred already antagonizing Rhaenyra…at least a bit of foreshadowing for the future
And the start of the Daemyra breakdown
I think rn it's important to remmeber it’s only been a few days since the choking incident (and not two years)
And show!Daemon's thoughts on his brother are revealed
At least he’s clinging to the line of it being a mistake
Well, first of all, in the book Mondancer wasn’t big enough to ride at the beginning of the Dance. And, Rhaenyra is showing herself as a bad stepmother — she won’t allow Jace to patrol KL when he’s older and a more experienced dragon rider, but will allow Baela to do so when at this point she’s a more attractive hostage to take after B&C and the confession of Daemon having arranged it.
King’s Landing
The dysfunctionality of Helaegon's marriage. These are 2 people who grew up together, who were forced to marry and have children when they were children themselves. Two people so linked together but who can’t communicate. The tragedy of it all
Dragonstone
Little Aegon and Viserys! Joffrey should’ve been in this scene tho
King’s Landing
Well, Alicent and Criston will both blame themselves
So Erryk vs Arryk is on this episode? Thought it was on the next one
Criston’s delulu — even if the plan worked, Rhaenyra still has 4 sons (one old enough to marry!) and an unhinged husband who would avenge her
Dragonstone
Jace and Baela ❤️
"Sometimes I think I hate him" said by Baela, the child of Daemon who was most like him. Baela probably thinks on how they’re alike and how she will have to work to avoid being like him
Jace talking about both his fathers…broke my heart
King’s Landing
Ok, so Aemond in a pleasure house
Being regretful won’t bring Luke back to life or erase the fact that your actions were one of the catalysts of the war
Oh, so Hugh has a sick child — at least we're getting some character development. Hope we see Ulf soon and meet Addam (now that we met Alyn in Ep1). But I thought Hugh was a blacksmith working on DS
Driftmark
Say their names and they shall appear! Alyn and Addam!
I hope we also see Marilda (at least in a flashback if they killed her off). If not, she should be mentioned at least
Dragonstone
Seems like they’re starting to build up Mysaria’s arc
Rhaenyra, the throne wasn’t your birth right. It was something your father promised you, but he never worked to strengthen your position and you barely did so
I hope they won’t have the Rhaenyra/Mysaria interactions be all about Daemon
Honestly, they should have given Mysaria's actress a silver wig. It would’ve helped with Rhaenyra's paranoia later on — was she merely a replacement for Mysaria? Was Daemon still seeing her?
Driftmark
Guess that’s Seasmoke
Foreshadowing for the claiming, I guess
King’s Landing
Could that be Ulf?
Did they seriously hang all of the ratcatchers?
The poor doggo mourning his owner
At least it was Aegon’s decision and not the council’s
Well, Otto at least finally shows some emotion
Otto must be missing Viserys
Oh, Aegon really believed Alicent’s lies
Tom’s acting = chef’s kiss
Dragonstone
From the silhouette, I thought Ser Harrold was standing with Rhaenyra (hope we’ll see him again)
Will Mysaria prove herself as an ally?
Honestly in both KL and DS, they should’ve found a way to distinguish the twins - a tattoo, a scar, a password, something!
This! This is how B&C should’ve been filmed. The tension! Not knowing what will happen, not being sure which twin is which
This in a Elinda Massey appreciation account…loyalty until the end
Instead of suicide, Erryk should’ve also died in the battle
King’s Landing
Daeron mention!
Ok, Otto can be added to the list of delusional characters
Aegon mourning Jaehaerys 😭
Are we going to end every episode with an Alicole sex scene?
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I keep having this idea, and I need to ramble to someone. I hope it's okay that I'm rambling here.
With 0 basis in canon, I think that Bob has precognition in the style of the Dooms, where he just predicts bad stuff at random. He rarely talks about it, deeming it mostly just bad dreams or illusions set up by someone or other (usually he blames Ford's illusions for them) but sometimes it can get to be a lot so on those days he just stays in his house and curls up for a while. Usually only the plants (and of course Helmut) can help then. Most likely, alcohol stops the premonitions, but it's a very bad solution for the situation.
It's nowhere near as utilized as his herbophony of course, and no one ever really hears about it except for the people who get extremely close to him or find him on one of his bad days.
I think that it'd never really come up to Cassie, Compton, or Ford, but Otto, Lucy, and Helmut are aware of it-- Helmut because he's helped Bob through one of the bad days ("I saw me standing over your grave honeybear, I don't want that to happen--"), Otto because he likely figured it out by recognizing a pattern most people missed, and Lucy because Bob keeps asking her about her thoughts on Helmut to a degree she knew it had some other motive than simply hoping his best friend and his boyfriend got along.
Though to be honest, a lot of this is just me thinking that Bob having precognition makes things even worse when you consider how little he could do to stop things from happening.
Bob having precognition is like the worst thing for him ever bc he is a "worries about all the ways things can go wrong" kind of anxious and this is NOT helping. I like to imagine precognition being fuzzy around the edges, like remembering a dream, but it just instills a sense of dread in the pit of his stomach.
This is disconnected from all the good thoughts abt the psychic 7 but:
this made me think abt little baby bob having precognition nightmare bad days and his mom trying her best in her own way to help him through it. a lil kid in his mom's bed crying and sobbing abt seeing something bad he can't figure out how to describe so it's incoherent
and his mom is just like there there,, she might not even really understand it's visions of the future if she doesn't also have the precognitive gift, which I feel like it could be more interesting if she didn't
regardless of whether Tia would also have this power tho I just get sad and pensive thinking about the moments those two mightve shared before (and while) things got worse for Tia
back to the psychic 7 tho; since iirc elka's precognition stuff is exclusive to the lipo documents (correct me if im wrong), i feel like its a field of psychic research that's poorly understood, and maybe that could be pinned on Bob not wanting to open up much further about his experiences. not that anyone would blame him for it. so it remains a mystery how and why it works the way it does until there's psychonauts in the present day willing to help with the research
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Yes you worded it perfectly! The writers made a grave mistake when they made nyra the “good guy” because they made her BORING. More than anything she’s boring, they took away all of the traits that made her interesting so that she could look better. And it doesn’t help that they made aegon 100x more interesting than her, he literally carried the show most of season 2. Also I love the gay alicent hc but I want her with me not nyra 😠
I was literally sick to my stomach they killed aegons son, that poor angel did not deserve that. Fuck daemon for real, he’s a coward.
Ok so I don’t think there’s a huge significance to the fact it was a sapphire they put in his eye? It’s just honestly cunty lol. But I think it was because they didn’t want there to be a gaping hole, and a couple of episodes earlier they confiscated huge sapphires from pirates so I think that’s just the jewel they had on hand 🤔 I think in the books tho it’s honestly just to make him sound cool lol, or it could be an homage to a knight in a fairytale like book we’re not completely sure. But I’ve now become obsessed with sapphires and replaced like all of my piercings with sapphires lol
Listen aegon is a tough one for me. He’s such a tragic character honestly like you can tell in season two that he’s desperate, literally dying for someone to love him. Especially because he never got that love from either parent. That’s why he wants the small folk to like him so bad. And the fact that he tried to be a better father to his son than his father was with him, he made sure to take his son to the meeting so his son isn’t unprepared like he was. But I still hate the way he treats aemond, aemond doesn’t deserve that from him at all. I think now more than ever he’s incredibly jealous of aemond and feels less than compared to him even though he’s king. And it absolutely kills me that alicent forced him to be king, PURPOSELY never taught him anything because her and Otto knew they could rule through him like a puppet if he stayed dumb and unprepared, then get mad and blame him for being a bad king. Like they were so pissed that he was actually trying, but also pissed he wasn’t good at it?? You can see the moment his heart completely brakes when alicent tells him he should do nothing. He knows even if he was a good king it wouldn’t be enough for them. Like aemond is the loml and will always be my favorite but aegon is just so interesting to me, I can’t help but feel bad for him in some ways.I have so much to say about him but I’ll hold back because I don’t want to accidentally spoil something lol. Also it doesn’t help that he’s physically so beautiful, like it hurts me how beautiful he is 🥲
Also the brothel seen AHHH, I stared for such a long time 👀 you could see that he wanted to shrink into himself and felt like the bullied young boy he used to be 😭 and then the moment he changes and looks up, I was like oh there’s gonna be big consequences for aegon doing that 😳 also please don’t kill me but I personally don’t like how they made aemond so idk the word, pathetic? Like in the books he’s absolutely ruthless, he’s basically evil. And then in this season they made him into “I just want a mommy 🥺” lmao. Sometimes I like to think of him as vulnerable and emotional and cuddly, but other times I scrub all those scenes from my mind and convince myself he’s more like season 1 aemond if that makes sense lol.
I could say so much more but I don’t wanna literally talk your ear off lol 😭 but there’s just so many deep discussions to be had about each character lol. Keep me updated on the episodes you watch tonight 👀
AHHH REPLYING TO YOUR ASKS ARE LIKE MY LIL INTERMISSIONS !!
I’m just now starting episode 5 ! I’m hoping I might be able to crush the season tonight which is would be so cool but also really sad bc what am I supposed to watch after it’s over ?!
I can totally see why you said you switched up on Alicent. Personally, I still really love her but I recognize that she has only ever lived to be of use to the men in her life and because of that she has no real and true aspirations, she continues on her father’s path for power over the the throne. Also bc she’s always been like a tool, she treats her sons the same way, especially Aegon and it’s sad to see the cycle of manipulation continue through her.
SPEAKINGOF AEGON ( PART TWO ) !!! Okay first why’s he kinda just like me fr SKSKS MAYBE THATS WHY I GET MAD AT HIM BC ITS LIKE LOOKING IN A MIRROR. He 100% deserved that fire facial btw IM SORRY BUT HE DID I don’t think he’s dead so I feel like I can clown on him for taking a hell bath SKSKKS I WILL BE SO SAD IF I PRESS PLAY AND FIND OUT HES DEADA
And on the topic of being sad…. Ya girl was crying !!!! Rhaenys !!!!!!! Oof that was hard to watch especially against Vhagar and Meleys 😭😭😭 this is very small but you know how she says “attack, meleys” twice? Like the first time and then they turn around even though meleys is injured I KINDA WISH SHE WOULDVE SAID IT ONE MORE TIME BEFORE SHE DIED idk why but it would’ve hurt even more to me
I hate that Aemond is killing characters I like but unfortunately he is looking sexy while doing it 🫶🏻🫶🏻😣🫶🏻🫶🏻 but I get you I get you! Since I don’t know book!Aemond I’m assuming they don’t make him be a lil cuddle bug with his milf? THIS MAY BE A HOT TAKE but I think it doesn’t make him any less brutal, seeing the snuggle scenes. Personally, I’m like,,, it does make him more human to me, but even like monsters want to be loved kinda thing. Plus I do kinda coo at the fact that he’s only been with the one woman to me that’s so cute
PLS I LOVE HOW EXCITED YOU ARE, it feels like you’re sitting on my couch with me explaining everything SKSKKS
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I usually never get genuinely angry around other people unless they instigate me but today i got so upset over the realization that everything is very unjust and both me and my babes deserved so much better from this life that i ripped a pillow, hurt my knuckles punching a wall and ate an entire chicken before breathing and understanding we we reap what we sow
#💟.txt#sadness tag#its more anger but y'know i was sad before that#i wss having like a not so small mental breakdown while w norman venting bout how im scared i will hurt him or otto or anyone#and eventually he was like i have had those thoughts too back before we came back what if i hurt or killed someone i cared about? -#- how could you make up for that or forgive yourself?#and that's when i got kinda hysterical went from sobbing to chuckling bc how unfair everything is then ripped off the pillow and threw it#against a wall#i got dressed afterwards and told norman i was okay but i needed a second outside to calm down#gave him a goodbye kiss and told him i loved him too <33 bc i dooo and because he really helped me 🥺💞💞💞#my baes are so wise honestly talking with them is so reasurring man 😭🥺💞#anyway after that i went into a sewer bc thats the only place w/o ppl i knew where to be insane in and punched a few walls#then the oral fixation kicked in and i felt like shredding something to pieces so what better than a chicken? and so i did#and after that i breathed like Otto adviced me to long while ago and i calmed down and was able to think straight#and came to that realization and calmed down and went back to my babies in my usual state#while i was on the sewers tho i got really stressed out bc i wanted to complain to someone but didnt know who lol#even thought of visiting Doppo who ii havent seen in forever (💔) but then realized it would be weird ksdhskhw#*norman
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Speaking of bootlegs—- spideyman can be pretty famous to infamous in their own world depending on the media. Does Acedia see any merch and/or typical reactionary commentary around them (visa vs the newspaper perhaps)? If yes would they be sad they can’t get in on that revenue? 🥺
No one can get a good pic of me. I am a cryptid for a reason. I don't like being the center of attention sjjdkgfjsgfjg it'd be crazy to see merch and other stuff like that of me. A bizarre experience lol
I wouldn't be upset about not getting in on any revenue of people producing merch based on me or Otto tho. Heck, if that ever did happen I'm absolutely buying plushies. I can't resist the appeal of a cute plushie 😔💕
As for reactionary commentary regarding me and Otto as the heroes, you mostly just hear gossip from The Daily Bugle ranging from bad to decent.. you know how Jonah is lol
Some other news letters will report about The Cryptid Crawler and Doctor Octopus sometimes, too, but in a more honest and positive light rather than being so gossipy.
I would be shook (positive) to find that some people made their own plushies of me and Otto. Handmade. Shooketh I tell you. But so flattered nonetheless.
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I just pictured Jonah making a really mean article about me and several of my rogues would take me there and do the whole "she asked for no pickles" thing LOL to get Jonah to take it back and just:
When you're compassionate enough to befriend your rogues to the point they got your back against the media.
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HOTD spoilers///
The first scene with Rhaenyra meeting suitors but carelessly offending them & not doing anything to stop a deadly fight & Daemon on Caraxes causing her to knock her head on the boat was a great way to showcase their tendencies to act without care of what others will think of them, the possible consequences & how it might bite them in the ass on the long run. It's sad in a way because we've seen that Rhaenyra has the potential to be a good ruler but she keeps shooting herself in the foot as nobody took care of properly educating her about politics.
Symbols are just symbols in the end. Just because the White Hart showed up to her to show she is the rightful heir doesn't mean she's guaranted to be a good one.
Rhaenyra's delight about being called a boy fuels my hcs of this character being possibly trans.
I laughed at Harwin Strong, he looks like a fun character & I hope that his interactions with Rhaenyra will be too in the future.
Good for Rhaenyra to take control over her sexuality but it's the way Daemon decided to pull what he did on Rhaenyra, which is similar with the way he acted without thinking about how it might affect those women, first with Mysaria & the egg & now bringing his niece in a brothel, fully knowing that she's the heir to the throne but that they still work within the confine of a patriarchal society. Like you don't get to talk about how mummers makes fun of Rhaenyra being the heir & then bring her to a brothel which will cause more harm than good to her reputation.
Daemon meeting Mysaria after & showing her resentment was a great idea, a good way to juxtapose & remind you how he currently treats women.
Daemon's erectile dysfunction acting up again when Rhaenyra doesn't act scandalized might push further that what he did was trying to get back at Viserys.
It was quite irresponsible of him of leaving her alone there, to have her get back to the Red Keep herself at the sight of all the servants & the way he talks in the throne room about marrying her as if she was now damaged good is ugh, knowing he couldn't get it up because she felt now comfortable with the idea of having sex.
I think a part of him wanted to feel like he was slowly corrupting her & that he would have fun to see her "struggle" about it first but it kinda backfired. Daemon might have misinterpreted that she might be afraid of sex itself when no, she isn't (like the Red Keep is literred with tapestry of valyrians having sex with dragons idk what you were expecting, Daemon). She wants to be in control of whom she choose to be with & she doesn't see sex as something that will defile her.
( Spoilers for Fire & Blood but it makes me wonder how they will handle Daemon/ Laena as she has a personnality close to young Rhaenyra. She might be more rule-abidding on the surface but in the end, she is more interested by dragons,ride mighty Vhagar, has Corlys & Rhaenys as parents & was described as fiery. I don't think she would be as influenced by him. I hope they won't ommit that Rhaenyra & her "more than friends" & that the blacks are basically an happy queer polycule of dragon riders & funky Harwin Strong who were raising their kids together. )
I liked the juxtaposition of Rhaenyra's scenes with Alicent's, we have two women, one who play into in the patriarchal system while the other doesn't want to & it just makes me sad for the both of them, in particular when we see trying to cling on this remnants of their friendship & fully knowing how this society will ultimetaly pit them against each other.
We also need to talk abt how while, yes it's nice to see Rhaenyra happily have sex with Criston, she also puts him at risk of being executed. Them taking hours to get rid of his armor & then the goddamn lacets boots was so funny tho & I really liked how this scene was filmed. They are doing a great job at making me feel conflicted about his character in any case.
& at least, Viserys got to finally act like a king & fire Otto's ass, recognizing all the politicals plays he has been up to. Too late tho.
Really missing the Velaryons. At least we get to see Rhaenys & Laenor flying their dragons together next week & I hope we get to see more her & Corlys's relationship with their kids, knowing this house are also major players.
#hotd spoilers#fire & blood spoilers#daemon targaryen#rhaenyra targaryen#criston cole#hotd is such a breath of fresh air on it handle politicking & gender dynamics#compared to the faux feminism/girlbossing of GoT#also legit getting a bit worried about how some read some of the scenes of that episode#i'm not an anti whatever they are targs after all but ppl in denial or misinterpreting abt what daemon was actually trying to do#& they pretty much confirm it in behind the scenes#& there's also the whole power dynamic between rhaenyra & criston which could be one of the reasons as to some of his decisions later on
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you're back to asoiaf fandom and i'm thriving! may i ask you what three ships are hyped on too much for your taste and which ones aren't enough by the fans?? also... can't resist otto or tywin? larys or petyr? five characters you loved the most first time reading fire and blood novel?
i'm glad at least someone isn't annoyed at my got spam :3333 (it won't be long tho)
when it comes to shipping, my taste is pretty shitty, so i kinda feel awkward giving you names here but lol, we live and die like ned stark (in all our foolish honesty): the ruby prince and the wolf girl (stupid selfish stupid selfish), their son and his dad's sis (falling asleep)… who else are hyped? i've my issues with a certain dragon uncle and his niece in their tv!version but i won't say i don't GET why they're madly popular (i still love toxic lizard soulmates, after all).
not hyped at all and that's a sin: roslin x edmure!!! they are so tragically knotted, you know, like those lovers from the sad old songs, truly can't believe asoiaf fandom keep sleeping on them for years now (same with theon x jeyne); harwin x rhae also aren't hyped enough (look how SANE the strong boys are and tell me their parents weren't a perfect match); rickon x shireen – the headcanon hill i want to die on.
i refuse to accept the conception of 'the hand', i need it to evolve into 'the hands', so may i choose both? i simply deserve two terrible fathers at once (it sounds dirty but it isn't, or so i hope)
hehe, hoho. petyr?? i've loved him for years and since i can actually see through his game (in contrast to larys, who's one of the most enigmatic (rats) characters we know), it's easier to stay fond of petyr and his selfish bitterness than larys with his grand dragonslayer? azor ahai 2.0? scheme.
rhaenyra, daeron, sunfyre, that smart tyrell lady who wrote "being a mere woman, am not myself fit to lead a host to war" (legend!) and saved almost all the tyrells, aemond's sapphire eye poor baby luke [with a memorable mention of tyland and cregan, my true after dance heroes].
#anon#ask#may i add that i fell in love with otto after his iconic#you only lost one eye. how could you be so blind#line??? because yeah tell him grandpa
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Thoughts on Part 4
So last night I finished Part 4 and put out this post asking if you guys wanted to share your thoughts on the last season of our beloved show. I woke up this morning to quite a few responses so I decided to culminate all of the ones I could respond to onto this post and share my own opinions.
If anyone has anything else they would like to share, please feel free to do so either by sending me an ask or reblogging this post (this is a side blog so replying to the post, as much as I appreciate it, doesn’t let me respond as @scorlettimagines). Okay, here goes:
@fearisholdingmedown: lol the whole season didn't make any sense and the ending skdnmgh Sabrina and Nick?????? and Zelda questioning Hecate? and just. left me really underwhelmed
I agree with this. I was extremely underwhelmed with the season; don’t get me wrong, some parts were great and really made me smile, but other parts? To me, and to my Dad who watches it with me, it felt like the writers tried to cram too much into it. There were definitely plot lines that didn’t get wrapped up, and things that seemed out of character for some.
Zelda questioning Hecate: I kind of understand, because wouldn’t you obviously question your Goddess after you prayed to her to save your niece/daughter and she didn’t? It is out of character for Zelda to question her faith, but I don’t blame her; she’s never lost Sabrina permanently before and I imagine it’s broken her a fair bit.
Sabrina and Nick at the end: Okay, so when Nick showed up at the end, my first thought was that a lot of time had passed and Nick had had a sort of happy, but long, life. When he said he went swimming in the Sea of Sorrows, I was disappointed. To be honest, I was a bit disappointed with Nick’s character this whole season; it feels like the writers didn’t put enough effort into him and just reduced him to a love interest. (I felt that with another character too but we’ll get to that later). Yay they got reunited, but also not yay for the way it happened at the end.
@screechingexpertpruneneck: I loved the ending. I loved that Sabrina saved everyone but sucks she died. I think we can all agree that Ambrose is by far the smartest character on the show. Caliban obviously deserved better. Nick proved himself worthy of Sabrina this season and I’m glad there together now. I still can’t believe he killed himself just to be with her.
I did actually like the end; yes it was sad that Sabrina died, but it was a nice way to wrap up the show. I think her heroic qualities got detracted from in the last season with the whole Queen of Hell thing so it was nice to see her get those back. Kiernan smashed it with the death scene, and that whole montage of her birthdays had me in tears.
Ambrose is 100% the smartest character on this show. To me, he was the best thing about this season, as he was one of the only ones who seemed not to have changed at least slightly. Ambrose has been my favourite character since the pilot. I don’t write about him because his character is so complex, so eccentric, so fully-fledged that I don’t think I could do that justice. It was nice to see that Ambrose remained that way until the end, and I’m not going to lie, I could watch a whole spin off show about him. This is me being calm before I get to the next point. Oh God, I’m running out of things to say here. Prepare yourselves guys, here goes.
Can someone please explain to me how the fuck-fuck-fuckity-fuck-fuck Caliban went from Prince of Hell, main villain of last season to well, that? Like when he showed up dancing, I was so confused. Like, they missed out the whole section about what happened after Sabrina literally turned him to stone? The wedding was bizarre; I wanted Calbrina a few months ago, but I don’t anymore. Then in episode 3, when he was sitting on the throne and revealed his plan (you can bet your bottom dollar I’m going to be using that for imagines) hope was restored. He was still the crafty little shit that I fell in love with back in January. But then, it was never mentioned again? Like, he was just there. As Sabrina Morningstar’s husband? For me, it was cringy and I feel like the writers definitely didn’t put enough effort into him- it was like they didn’t know what to do with him. Although, his part in the AU episode made me laugh. Considering that I’ve been following Sam Corlett’s career over 2020 and I know how well he can act, I was disappointed to see him reduced to basically a prop for a bit of eye candy. His “death” was anti-climactic and a bit shit. Anyway, Caliban to me is always gonna remain the Caliban he was in Part 3 (and tiny little bits of Part 4) because there’s character development and then there’s just taking the mick.
Nick, yeah. He did prove himself worthy of Sabrina, and I cried when they got back together, but as I mentioned before, I feel like that’s all he was used for this season. He didn’t really get a proper arc like previous seasons, and the fact that he killed himself just to be with her grated on me a bit, because that’s not what I would have expected from a character like him.
@robinisthebestfellow: Can we just talk about how random some of it was I mean like oh he’s good and honest annnnd then no
Assuming you mean Caliban? Just to add to the above rant, I didn’t want him to be nice. Yes, I write about him being nice in my imagines, but I always try to keep some of his actual character in my work (at least, I hope I do). But yeah, for my rant on Caliban see above.
@eyebagsarebetterthanhandbags: Whoever was on costume design for prudence knocked it out of the park she was gorgeous every millisecond of screen time- wished her and Ambrose made up tho at the very least😔 they were my fave couple
Prudence was another favourite of mine this season; she didn’t change in her character and she was, of course, absolutely stunning. For her and Ambrose to make up would have been lovely, but I have a feeling from how close they were in the final episode that the writers were planning on it.
@itscoldinwonderland: Lilith, Zelda and Ambrose all deserve so much better.
Okay, starting with Lilith. I agree here. I feel like the whole Hell family (Lucifer, Caliban, Lilith etc) was just used and abused this season. I think she got better as the season went on, but for me, killing the baby was a bit extreme. Her last scene was mental; I don’t think she deserved to go as insane as she did, but well done to her for finally taking down Lucifer. Fuck the patriarchy.
Zelda. Yes. Yes. Yes. She deserved to be happy. Miranda Otto killed it this season with the emotional side of things. The whole thing with Vinegar Tom made me sob harder than anything else this season; it was something I relate to and well done to Miranda for getting that across perfectly.
Ambrose. I would have liked to have seen a more rounded ending for him rather than just standing at Sabrina’s graveside. But discussing seeing more of Ambrose’s character would open up a whole can of worms, for example, WHY did he try to blow up the Vatican?
@supportstudies: it was so weird?? I guess it’s because the writers had to rush the ending but now I have more questions- also sad bc I wanted more caliban
I was under the impression that this was written before the show got cancelled, but if they already knew then this makes more sense. For me, a lot was rushed and there were a lot of questions that were left unanswered.
Caliban? You’ve seen the above rant, you know how I feel about that.
@lizmny3: Mambo Marie really had me there
Same, lovely, same. More for Zelda than any other reason.
Okay, so that’s it for now. Again, if anyone has anything else they would like to share please do. Requests are open again now and you should be getting another Caliban imagine next week (fingers crossed). I’m off to write two bibliographies now. Wish me luck!
#caos#caos spoilers#Chilling Adventures of Sabrina#caos imagines#chilling adventures of sabrina imagines#Caliban#caliban imagines#nick scratch#nick scratch imagines#Nicholas Scratch#nicholas scratch imagines#harvey kinkle#harvey kinkle imagines
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What if the reader went on a road trip with the swedes 👀 BTW I rlly love your writing 💖
omg this idea is so amazing! I used to go camping with my family every summer when we were younger and i really miss it ;-;-;-;-;-;
Axel drives. He will not allow anyone else to drive. Otto is the only one who can pack the car so everything fits, and even then its p cramped. Yall got your tent, foldable table and chairs, cooking stove thing with the gas for it, crate of string, bug spray, and hammocs, your sleeping bags and lil rolled up foam pads to place under the sleeping bags, pillows and blankets, big containers full of food and utencils and bows plates and cups, that kind of stuff. Otto is smart and packs it so everyones personal bag, pillows, and travel snacks are reachable from whoever has to sit in the back. This man organized it so the most unlikely of needed things mid trip are gonna need the most moving around of stuff to grab. V smart. He will make yall help UNpack tho.
Oscar is v sad he has to leave the cats behind, and he cant stop fidgeting the entire car ride. yall play some car games to help pass the time. (is it just me who knows car games? like the alphabet game where you find a word that starts a, then b, then c, ext. Q and Z are the hardest. or like counting the number of different types of animals yall see. or if its near Christmas, how many xmas trees yall see on top of peoples cars. or even like i spy with my little eye. ya know?)
You guys stop at a rest stop area along the way to stretch and eat since Otto wont let yall eat in the car. At the rest stop, there are a few dogs and one of them just runs straight up to you and Otto. Doggo wants attention, so Otto gives him Pat's while eating his food with one hand.
Yall are stoopid and couldent decide on a book on tape to bring along so Axel was all, instead of arguing about it, 'No book, we bond as family' and he tells some stories he makes up while he drives. Yall have a small competition who can make the best story up. Axel wins, while ottos were p long with too many details, and Oscar's story went by too fast but boy it was very entertaining to listen to him tell it.
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The Creatures do work like cleaning to earn money, there's a shop near the very bottom so they can buy stuff
Phineas actually takes care of the whales and other marine life, meanwhile Aurla tries to kill them
Spooky's and Eyth's magic seems to make people stop aging or at least stop aging at a certain age, which explains why Spooky is still 12, 15 years later
Speaking of magic involving Spooky and Eyth, they were brought back to life by the ssme thing (along with Taker), that thing being one of the specimen 1s, that being Jeli
The Demon child was a child that was murdered in the kid's hospital and was brought back by Jeli as a demon, although it seemd she's trying to resist the magic that's trying to make her evil by hiding in a mirror
Some of the kill counts for Specimens are inaccurate as those a few were actually caused by the 1s (E.i, Bab, Jasper, Chomper..)
Phineas / Fin really liked marine life, mainly dolphins, Jeli got an idea and used his magic to make him go wild, causing him to operate on himself, everyone thinks he did it for his love of dolphins but Fin was just mind controlled
Lines' body ends at the end of his torso
Lines' speech tends to get distorted (backwards speech, random muting, glitching)
Paina was AI for sunshine academy but got out via Spec.1 magic, yet she can still be developed further
Subject 5s are named 5 as they are the 5th Specimen 3s, the others died either in testing, having to be exterminated or they just. Dissapeared
Lisa and Bab tend to get along very well due to their shyness
Bekka likes to blast music just to make everyone mad lol
Jaime has honks own dimension, it sometimes goes to it to see how everything is going (the dimension being an abandoned theme park)
They let other Specimens, monsters, dolls and unknowns in to play, although xe makes them leave after a while, claiming that staying for too long is risky
Hooky was a runaway and went to the mansion for security, didn't work out as planned for her
Parry isn't just red, xey can be green and blue too
When Parry has a host, xey are asleep and someone enters xem, the host will have trouble knowing where the person is, only when under xey're control or when xey are awake can the host know exactly where they are
Parry and Stanely are like roommates, they get along sometimes but they fight and annoy each other a lot
Stanely also has a furry coat
When first encountering Parry, xey were a greenhouse, xey kept trying to scare him and lock doors but he just kept pulling through, xey tried getting him attacked by ferocious plants and only let him have a scythe but he still lived, Parry got angry and tried xeir last trick was to turn into a mansion and hang him, and it worked
In some of the crates, Aurla has some things like files, or just random papers, in others there's some beach toys, in others theres drawings Bab made for him, that's another reason he doesn't get on the crates, he doesn't wanna accidentally break them
Lines can travel via electricity (through telephone poles, computers, wires.. obv he can't leave the mansion tho)
Taker and White Face are one of the biggest frenemies, they usually only get along when trying to harm others and most of the time they just argue
Tirsiak used to be extremely cold and mean to everyone besides Kanerek, he wanted nothing to do with anyone fearing they'd hurt him or he'd get attached only to lose them, but after a while of basically forced friendship activities he warmed up to Bab first and then slowly to everyone, hes still a prick but he's doing better
The ones made their own mansion, they only took in monsters that were similar to the creatures from Spooky's or made their own
They were created as back up and to challenge the others. They represent what the originals (reffering to the ones in Spooky's) don't wanna be and their trauma. The ones liked to joke and call some of them coincidences and calk them rip offs
Lisa is welsh and has a bit of an accent
None of the hospital monsters have forgiven Eyth for what xey did, it affected them all and Eyth takes it as a joke, xey constantly make fun of the monsters for being "petty"
Bekka and Jon are the only ones fluent in Japanese but their accent shows sometimes
Bekka has a lot of medical and biology based knowledge but is still a complete dumbass when it comes to almost anything else
Lisa hasn't and never will forgive her ex husband for shooting her. Hell she's happy that he's probably dead
Lisa has frequent aches and pains all around her body
Bekka REALLY likes chocolate
Tirsiak is very good at archery and hunting, as apposed to Kanerek who's pretty mediocre
Tirsiak used a spell to give himself antlers and appear more masc
Tirsiak had died in the past but never realized, his necklace kept him somewhat alive and is what gives him his powers
Bab sometimes cleans his sword, he's dissapointed in himself that it got a bit rusty as that sword used to belong to his dad
Aurla can talk to marine creatures and loves to take care of the landsharks
Jasper was interested in how humans made food so he'd often steal recipe books and try making things himself and when he got to the mansion, Otto helped him out
Jasper doesn't like being viewed as a fast food worker or manager, he just wanted to protect his kin from constantly being used as food
Spooper sees Lisa as his mom because his old parents were abusive and Lisa is the mother he never got to have
This makes Lisa very happy
Kal is like an older brother to Spooper
Bekka's hands are black due to frostbite
Noah is very good at reading people, mainly because of his own experience. He's very good at telling if you're lying, sad, happy, sketchy..
Noah had to be bumped down to a hospital patient due to an incident and Bekka was his nurse
Noah usually has to change his bandages, he thinks he looks hideous but most people think otherwise (especially Jon)
Tirsiak used to be very cold and aggressive towards everyone as stated before, his best friend had died thanks to Ben in the past and he lost his tribe and family. He trusted no one
Once he learned how to speak english better he would learn to cuss out and shoo most people away. He only trusted Kanerek
Bab always tried to be his friend but was regularly pushed away even if all Tirsiak wanted deep down was a friend again, he was just afraid of losing everything again so if there was nothing to love there was hardly anything to lose.
It took a long time of lectures but one day he noticed Bab didn't seem to get the hint. Actually it never seemed like they did. Tirsiak gave in and let Bab just hang around, Tirsiak was surprised to find that he somewhat enjoyed Bab's presence.
He started to be less of an ass, he let Bab just hang out with him.
Maybe having friends again wouldn't be a huge risk?
He decided to be a bit nicer, he's still harsh and agressive but makes an effort to make friends and be nice
He found that he really liked Hooky and Ringu, at first he merely thought they were attractive but now he really does love them
Tirsiak learned english via the others teaching him and him repeating what others said. That's where he got his voice lines from, he stole them from Kanerek (and she ended up changing hers)
Lisa knows sign language
Bab's mom was trying to contact him in the afterlife via the cult and the cult tbought she was mother. One day her grasp and connection was slipping and she told thet cult that Bab was the new mother
Despite this, Bab never planned to be a mother, but then came the landsharks
Bab doesn't mind being their mother figure
Lisa sometimes gets carried away and will write their thoughts or make random doodles on notes made for chases
Lisa likes to listen to music while drawing, Bekka will let her borrow her MP3 and headphones when they're hanging out
Lisa has tourretes and autism and often hums and twitches
They'll flail their hands and tip toe as a happiness stim
Jasper has major sensory issues and the slightest High pitch, weird looking thing, anything that feels uncomfortable, or smells bad or extremely strong it'll will drive him off the walls
Lisa was taken away from the hospital while trying to hide from GLA and when she reunited with the hospital monsters, whenever they sense a GLA is coming they get hostile and if Lisa is over, Bekka won't let go of her until they're gone
The dolls sometimes disobey Spooky and GLA because of how bitter they are about what happened
Hooky tends to drown her sorrows in alcohol and it's become a regular thing for her
Because of how GLA treated him, whenever Charles feels any negative emotion coming on he'll go to sleep, it often results in nightmares but the emotions most of the time go away and he feels better when he wakes up
Frenzy has tried helping them but Husker knows all too well that there's no helping them
Clicky doesn't regret killing her dad, she always knew he was a bad man
She also just doesn't care
She never cared if her mom was unwell, she never cared if her friends were hurt. Sure she has some sympathy for the mansion residents but not much
Clicky likes waking people up with her constant clicking
She can detach herself from walls and walk freely, not very easily but she can still do it
Hooky, despite it being part of the reason she's in the doll, treasures hooks and many slim sharp objects
Although she also has an interest for anchors and morning stars
Frenzy often bakes small things like cookies and cupcakes for people and shares it's recipes with Jasper and Otto
Otto, despite seeming like he'd be a dumbass, does have common sense
He takes no shit from White Face, constantly triea to tell off Tirsiak for being a dumbass, gives Lisa the rudest reassurance and just ignores Spooper and Kal
He's friends with Jasper but even he admits that Jasper isn't very bright
Otto can swim and is warerproof
The pizza he gives you is poisoned, but it usually fails or takes a long ass while to kick in no matter how many times he's tried different poisons
Otto is aware of the whole FNAF thing and hates being seen as some FNAF rip off and being called the names of the animatronics from FNAF
Otto used to be a cook before he died and was stuffed inside of Otto The Otter
Spooper will sometimes change his costume to sort of socialize and copy others (dressing in all black because of Bekka, wolf outfit because of Tirsiak, face paint for Jaime..)
Hooky is drunk when he chases you
Husker is emotionally detached and has no desire to be attached to anyone, it just knows they exist and pays no mind to them
Jaime doesn't like scaring people and admits that she wishes she didn't look so ugly
WF used to be bullied to a breaking point
She gets overly attached and easily falls in love with whoever even tolerates her
She is aware people can die from her game but she just wants literally any fun even if it's for a short while
She loves to wear dresses and likes to appear femminine, and HER is unsurprisingly her favorite form to take
WF constantly picks on everyone due to her past, shyer and weaker people are often her main victims
She loves teasing Lisa all the time and is often super rude to them even though deep down, WF does care about Lisa a little
Bekka has a room saved for Lisa for whenever they come over to visit to the hospital
They love watching movies together and hanging out
They're also super comfortable with each other and will fall asleep together
The deformity wing in the hospital is a psychological torture chamber Eyth made
Some of the residents have tried exploring it but either got lost or got scared and ran out
Lector loves to make sure things are spotless and perfect, if it's body bag gets even the smallest stain it'll be pissed
Taker has a collection of stuffed toys but doesn't tell anyone
He thinks they're cute
Bab found out and hasn't said a word about it to anyone
Bab also thinks plushies are cute and will often help him in his collecting
Taker is surprisingly a good babysitter, the kids adore him
It loves to get into mischief with whoever it's supposed to be babysitting and pull pranks
Tirsiak has a stuffed toy of a wolf that Hooky made for it
It treasures it dearly and doesn't let anyone touch it
It even sleeps with the toy
There's a sewed on heart on it too
Sleeping with it reminds him of Hooky
Ringu and Hooky love cuddling Tirsiak because he's fuzzy and Tirsiak and Ringu Love cuddling Hooky because soft
Ringu is also cuddle material to them
Hooky is good at knitting and making plushies
If anyone tries flirting with the creatures it often times leaves them confused or angry or both
The most common one to take the flirt and possibly flirt back is White Face
Bab used to have a girlfriend but they broke up because her gf was an asshole to others
Fleshy is very good at reading people, they're even better than Noah
Kat can too but is too apathetic to care
Kat forces a smiley face and a good attitude when Fleshy is soon about to chase them to give the victim a false sense of hope
Fleshy often has to calm down or stop Kat from being overly angry
Fleshy can hear the other souls but is also capable of tuning them out
Kat is the spirit of a GLA who was used for testing and nya killed Fleshy out of rage
Kat is capable of giving souls and bodies to fleshy but doesn't want to because xe doesn't care
Kat fucking hates other cats, hell xey hate almost everything
Fleshy on the other hand loves everything but doesn't love some organisms enough to let them live
Fleshy loves to cause trouble and is a general nuisance
Bekka hates wearing pink
Ben loves making and trying on outfits and will willingly wear dresses and anything embarrassing
Goop can be mixed with other substances but it makes him uncomfortable
Goop boils and heats up when he's mad
Two and Three are capable of reproducing asexually, but choose not to because they know not a lot of people wanna deal with mini S3s
Lines is quick to anger and violence
Her body is electrical when she's angry
So
Yeah
That's gotta hurt
Lisa has dyspraxia and autism
Bekka has ADHD
Whoa. (゜o゜;
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after many hours spent pausing the show bc good lord why did they do that, i have now finished Love Never Dies
annnnnd yikes 😬😬😬
I’ll start with the few positives I did enjoy from the recorded Australian production on Youtube:
1.) the camera work. This is the kind of thing I dream of for professionally recorded shows - it really allows for some lovely close-up shots of how the emotions play over their faces, it’s lush
2.) the costumes are well-crafted, and I desperately Want the Phantom’s long-ass swooshy trenchcoat cape thing he wore for the first half-hour
3.) the sets used throughout this are honestly very impressively used and put together for some really fantastic shots
4.) the opening, with ‘Til’ I Hear You Sing Once More’. This song is honestly very lovely, and really articulates the Phantom’s loss and heartache for Christine. It’s sung very earnestly, and had the rest of the show been more like this I might have liked it more.
5.) the Fucking Song, ‘Beneath a Moonless Sky’, is a guilty pleasure. It’s so over the top, and it is only about recounting that One Time they totally banged yo, and I love it. I think it’s the orchestration, but it’s also enjoyably silly even while it takes itself 100% serious.
6.) As much as I hate to say this? ‘Devil Take the Hindmost’. While I hate the gist of the song - that being Raoul and Erik betting on who Christine will choose, and pretty much deciding for her who will get to be her one true love forever, completely negating the entire point of the OF musical where her choice was the most important factor for all of them - the pacing and the lyrics as they dance around each other are absolutely fantastic. It’s kind of sad to say, but Raoul and the Phantom, in this scene alone, display more chemistry in their singing than they do with anyone else. Let the hatefcuking commence~
7.) Some parts of ‘The Beauty Underneath’ I enjoy, particularly the ending scene where the Phantom is trying to talk Meg down. It’s very slow, melodic, and shows his more manipulative side, as well as how he can crawl into someone’s head, I love it.
8.) This very interesting visual with a mirror in Christine’s dressing room. There are two separate scenes where someone is in the mirror singing. The first is the Phantom, between Raoul and Christine. The second is Raoul between the Phantom and Christine. It’s honestly a nice touch.
9.) The main three are excellent singers.
Unfortunately, that’s all on the list of what I liked. Everything else is a Giant Fcuking Mess.
1.) The Phantom is no longer a complex, messed-up, but still somewhat sympathetic character, no; this is just a giant asshole who takes everyone for granted and barely realizes that anyone else exists except Christine, and even then only really as his personal instrument.
He never actually apologizes to Christine for the shit he’s put her through and continues to put her through, but still demands obedience and forgiveness and understanding. It completely negates the entire point of POTO’s ending, where he actually realizes he’s done wrong by her and his actions pertaining her, and lets her go from his world entirely, and RESPECTING HER CHOICES AND LEAVING HER ALONE.
Not to mention This Bitch also threatens to kidnap/possible “lose” her child if she doesn’t sing for him, keeps pushing her around and telling her what to do, and manipulating her life to change her decisions for her.
AND HE’S FRAMED AS THE BETTER OPTION HERE
2.) Which reminds of me of the next big asshat: Raoul de Chagny, who has now become an alcoholic gambler who pushes his wife to do things she’s not comfortable doing to repay his debts, neglects his son entirely, and also is abrasive and controlling of Christine, to the point he yanks her back and forth on doing shit. Play this role! We should leave bc he was an asshole! No now we should leave bc Phantom is back! No take the role he’s paying triple! I’ll make a bet on whether she loves me to pay my debts! No wait you should quit ten minutes before you go on-stage bc I don’t want to lose you! MAKE UP YOUR GODDAMN MIND YOU MISERABLE PISSANT SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP
Like I can understand being overprotective to a certain degree, which could eventually morph into being controlling. But neglecting your son, your wife, drinking and gambling your fortune away? ALL of that?!? Really???
Shouldn’t he be desperate to keep his wife and son close to him at all times after the events of POTO? Never leave, never go anywhere, only do what’s safe? You COULD have set this up as a continuation of Safety versus Freedom with Raoul and the Phantom, show the good and bad of both and have her choose from there. Show the dichotomies and hypocrisies of both men’s standards.
But nope! We’re just totes gonna make the husband like this for no goddamn reason, especially since Raoul doesn’t start suspecting that Gustave (his son) isn’t really his until Devil Take the Hindmost. He’s just that much of an idiot!
3.) The presence of Madame Giry and Meg Giry. Oh gods, where to even begin? They’re pretty much only here so that Sir Andy doesn’t have to make new characters with different backstories and motivations and introduce them accordingly. Nope! Now both women are blaming Christine for leaving the Phantom Man-Baby, and talking about everything they sacrificed to help him make his stupid-ass circus, and talking about how they love him and GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH Madame Giry in the POTO musical YOU LED RAOUL DIRECTLY TO THE PHANTOM’S LAIR SO HE COULD RESCUE CHRISTINE WHY ARE YOU COMPLAINING ABOUT HOW SHE BETRAYED HIM
And, oh, Meg... she reaaaaaaaaaaaaally got the short end of the stick here. I just... poor dear, she was horribly treated in this.
Neither of them deserved to be like this, honestly.
4.) Christine, to a lesser extent. Experienced Literal Character Assassination, forced to choose between two horrible options, stripped of her agency entirely, used as a bet in a game between said two horrible options, lied to and dragged around constantly, should have taken Gustave and run off with Meg to run a music store together. Fcuk you Sir Andy, for using POTO characters to act out your bitterness and frustration at your ex.
5.) The entirety of the whole Boardwalk Circus schtick, spawning an additional Fuck You to Frederick Forsythe, who thought this was a tenable option for the story to progress.
6.) The Phantom’s deformity was literally just four lines drawn onto his face with crayon and some smeared lipstick:
what even the fcuk, you couldn’t make the make-up crayon drawing more detailed??? take more than ten minutes to draw it on???
I never thought I would say this, but even the 2004 film’s depiction was better than this! At least that one partially drew from a real medical condition, Sturge-Weber Syndrome. What the fcuk is your excuse LND?!?
7.) The Lyrics. Oh gods, the lyrics. Some songs were decent, mostly the ones I listed up top. But the rest? Did someone forget to give the writer a more advanced/creative guide to rhyming lyrics? I wrote better shit in middle school than Glenn Slater did for the majority of these lyrics.
Glenn my dude, what the fcuk is this nonsense? You’ve written good shit like the Tangled songs and stuff for Galavant! Why are you writing worse than an angst-ridden middle schooler? It is immensely frustrating, to say the least.
8.) The really WEIRD direction in acting. No one here acts like they know how to move their arms or hands naturally; there’s a lot of really odd and unnecessary gesturing that makes it look like everyone has just had their limbs replaced with faulty robotic arms. There’s also a lot of leaning the characters do, with their arms perfectly straight by their side and it just looks wrong.
9.) The Phantom’s pseudonym is Mr. Y. No, they never explain why it is he chose that particular moniker.
10.) Bathing Beauty. Just... all of it, here, tied to POTO, present and here.
11.) It’s been exactly 10 years since Christine saw/banged the Phantom, and her son is precisely 10 years old.
That’s... not how pregnancy works. At all.
12.) This weird scene with the American press, where they are absolutely obsessed with Christine, despite the facts they present, such as:
- She hasn’t performed in 10 years anywhere.
- She was a French performer, and
- She only starred in three operas at the Populaire (Hannibal, Il Muto, and Don Juan Triumphant, which wasn’t even finished. So technically 2.2 operas that we know of).
Why, precisely, would American reporters be so obsessed with her upon hearing she’s coming? I could see some interest given the whole shebang with the Phantom, but after 10 years of radio silence, would she really garner an entire crowd of reporters and photographers... in America, no less?
France I could definitely see. America? Not so much.
13.) Gustave is a flat, generic kid character, who apparently is totes the Phantom’s son because... he can play the piano well. And also has the same ideas of music as the Phantom, despite never being taught about them, or discussed such things with his mother.
Is musical talent only inherited through the father’s side of the family in this universe? I mean, we never learn about Christine’s mother, just her famous violinist father. Otherwise, why is it Gustave’s musical talent isn’t attributed to - oh, I don’t know - HIS FAMOUS OPERA SINGER MOTHER?!?
14.) Apparently the Phantom is also now the one who invented cars OH I MEAN “horseless carriages” 🙄 A carriage with no engine and a “ghost horse” appears, and everyone is just fcuking stunned by this, like they’ve never seen a vehicle move without a horse before. In 1907. 22 years after the first functional automobile was invented. Ugh.
15.) seriously tho who thought basing a sequel on the Frederick Forsythe novel was a good idea why did nobody think to stop him apart from Sir Andy’s pet cat Otto. why.
16) The Phantom’s interactions with Gustave are distinctly creepy and unsettling. I keep getting pedo vibes from him and I Do Not Like It.
17.) The death scene at the end is so goddamn over-the-top and out of nowhere I just want to throw something, ugh
18.) And finally, my last gripe with this mess: This takes place in 1907, and declares that it’s ten years after the original musical. Despite the fact that the OG took place in 1885. Yippy skippy. 😑
I can honestly say I am Not a Fan of this musical as a whole, mostly based on the plot and the character assassinations (one quite literal) and the poor lyrics. I can admire the camera work, the basic singing ability, the scenery and costumes, and maybe two or three songs. But I just do not enjoy it. It took me two days to finish watching it because I kept cringing from what shit kept happening, and had to walk around and listen to other shit to get it out of my head.
HOWEVER: People do enjoy this one on the sake of it being so bad and over-the-top, and I can honestly see the whys. It helps that most of the cast can sing, and the orchestration is done well. There’s a TON of stupid to mock, and a lot of over-the-top awkwardness to laugh at. This is a good one to watch and mock with friends, IMO.
For those of you who do enjoy it, I’m afraid I have to disagree on most of it. Still, it is nice being able to watch this one for free, even if it is a giant hot mess.
And that’s all for me on this one! Have a good week guys!
#plush reviews: final thoughts#lnd#love never dies#poto#musicals#this was an ordeal and a half i tells ya
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wait 🥺 what would awsten do after the makeout :(( when he got into his house would he be happy or sad or horny or
all of the above,
his family is asleep when he gets back so he Bolts to his room and has one of those super happy freakouts for a minute, laying on his bed and covering his face with his hands and smiling so hard his face hurts, trying not to squeal out loud
he'd end up getting himself off that nite tho, fingering himself while he jerks off, and all he can think about is making out with otto. he doesn't even really feel bad about it until much afterward, when he's trying to sleep but all he can think of is how otto told him he didn't feel it all that much and then aws is Big Sad bc he feels so deeply for otto and getting the opportunity to kiss him was so amazing but otto just... didn't feel the same
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THINGS THAT HAPPENED AT THE HARTFORD PARX/IDKHOW SHOW
While I was waiting in line Parx came out of the tour bus and Otto and Geoff were normally dressed but Awsten had basically his whole face covered and his hood up and it looked very funny
They had those tear-off number papers from idkhow (from fearlessrecords’ ig) taped on the walls all around the line/tour bus!!
In line we sang a lot of random songs: 11:11, Death of a Bachelor, Bohemian Rhapsody, All Star, Mr. Brightside, I Write Sins Not Tragedies, and Welcome to the Black Parade, (& others)
Someone had a kazoo that they were playing (do you play a kazoo?) while we were singing
De’Wayne Jackson explained how Awsten came up to him after his show in Anaheim and “he was like ‘hey’ and I was like ‘hey’ and he was like ‘do you want to go on tour with us’ and I was like ‘yeah’”
Apparently he went to the bar afterwards and was right next to my mom at one point but she couldn’t tell him anything bc it was too loud :/ she did like it tho
Superwhatevr’s guitarist came out wearing a big flower crown thing and I was like I like these dudes already
After Superwhatevr’s main guy told us about his cousin committing suicide, we all held up our flashlights during the song and it was very cool ❤️
Also someone yelled “YOUR GUITARIST IS CUTE” and everyone laughed but I was like “I mean they’re right though”
Dallon said that ‘today and only today you are all my children’ 😭
Mentioned that we were his adopted children multiple times
“I’ll break your fucking face”
Got 2 pairs of 3D glasses from a fan after he said “you want me to look over here so I’m looking” and they had “you’re not thinking fourth dimensionally” (from back to the future) written on them and he liked it very much
They didn’t play visitation of the ghost!! Made me very sad but we got Absinthe instead so it’s okay
They played Iggy Pop too! But no Anyone I Know :(
I’m trying to remember what else happened during idkhow but I was too busy screaming and dancing in front of a wholly unimpressed mom (not mine)
Awsten said he was watching us the whole time during the opening acts from the box in the back of the room o.O but he said we were nice to everyone!
He yelled at the crowd to not drop a crowd surfer
“On the count of three why don’t you all throw whatever you want at us- actually no I’ll give you a whole ten seconds. Ready? GO!”
Got drawings from a fan and said “thanks! I look dead” and explained that whenever anyone draws him he usually looks dead
Someone threw a picture of Geoff and Nick Cage on stage and awsten laughed a lotttt
Someone threw a sign that said “BE NICE” and he said “is this Italian?” before realizing what it said
Someone threw another sign and it flew up and hit the ceiling before landing almost backstage, everyone thought it was hilarious
Awsten said “you know what I like about the north east? I don’t even have to ask you to do a pit you guys just do it anyway” or something like that
That’s about all I remember! I had to leave at 10:30 so there might’ve been other Parx stuff later & I feel like I forgot a bunch of the things that happened during the other acts but oh well
Feel free to add anything interesting if you were at the show too or if anything funny/special happened at your show!
#best day of my life#waterparks#parx#hartford ct#the webster#i don’t know how but they found me#idkhow#idkhbtfm#dallon weekes#ryan seaman#awsten knight#awsten waterparks#otto wood#otto waterparks#geoff wigington#geoff waterparks#superwhatevr#super whatevr#nick gray#(im sorry but he suckkedddd)#de’wayne jackson#entertainment tour#entertainment tour hartford#entertainment tour ct#waterparks entertainment
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i can't remember if i asked or not so!! 6, 7, 12, 13, and 28!! long ones im soz
6. which one of your muses have you been playing the longest?
answered here !!
7. which one of your muses has the most ships?
HELEN RIGHT NOW OH MAN, i never realised how flirty she is wow, and the chemistry is off the charts for so many ppl i don’t even know how to begin, half of this might just be in my head so um pls lets talk about sHIPS WITH HELEN
12. what is something everyone should know about your muses before interacting?
betty: she’s made a name for herself among students, i feel like it’d be pretty common knowledge that auradon prep and arcadia uni has its own sandman. they might not know its specifically betty?? but definitely once they’re around her, you’d just know. so if you need a good night’s sleep or some help with nightmares, betty is your girl.
veronika: she’s a tour guide for auradon prep students! so she’s good for characters that come in for the first time ever. she always has some sort of bag with her and it’s basically a survival kit (water, umbrella, maps, auradon keychains).
makaria: she always looks amazing. girl with the awesome fashion sense, great nails, great hair. always put together. she had a good relationship with her father, so on the isle they were basically this strong unit. if hades was walking, you’d know mak wasn’t too far behind.
hershey: he comes from a playable game! the arcade’s on the west coast somewhere, but yeah sugar rush is 100% playable so if it’s relevant for your character to have went there and played sugar rush by any chance, then they probably would remember hershey from there.
cestrum: he’s tall. like…6 foot more. i think i said he was 6 foot 2. in a crowd he’s one of the tall ones. when he’s sitting down in a low chair, his knees are really knobby it’s like watching a giraffe sit down.
aiwei: he’s got visible frankenstein’s-monster type scars. recently, he’d had to stitch himself up a lot (without a good access to magic) so along his arms and fingers especially. his skin isn’t warm, it’s a little pale actually but honestly the life comes from his eyes and his smile.
otto: he’s handsome af. literally classic prince charming. comes from snow white’s family, so very posh, very rich boy trope. sits with the cool kids, acts like a cool kid, lives like a cool kid. will only be seen associating with other royals (or those close to royals) or sitting alone. but he always looks busy too.
illyria: she’s a bit ‘mona lisa painting’ in that her eyes will literally follow you even if she doesn’t move. once you catch her attention, she won’t look away until she’s had her fill of analysing you. also she speaks a lot in class (more in recent months) and if she’s curious about you, you’ll know. she bothers a lot of people in class too lmao.
kirsa: she’s a cheerleader! super team spirit all the way. she’s got makeup on her all the time, has her own version of a survival kit. need lip balm? she’s got new ones you can just take. need pads or tampons? she’s got light, heavy, and super. need a snack? she’s got a brownie in a tin. need alcohol or smokes? she’s got them too. omg she runs high school contraband.
dignan: LITERALLY SO BUSY WITH CLUBS. you will literally always see him hanging out with someone from a sports team, usually the baseball team. he’s literally a jock. since he joined the team he’s taken to wearing some sort of sports fashion – a cap, or shoes, or a jersey or jacket. BUT ALSO he’s in mathletes!! if he’s not in any of his other extracurriculars or studying or hanging with friends, then he’s at the gym or training.
helen: also a jock. but she’s more known for having aurelius hanging around her all the time. he knows he can’t go into any buildings, so he’s always waiting outside. sometimes he hangs out by the classroom window and watches lessons LMAO.
penelope: if you look poor, she’ll scoff at you, if you look rich, she’ll wink at you. she may also try to steal your shit, rich or poor. her luck with stealing comes and goes, sometimes it’s a smooth steal, most of the time she gets caught. she always tries tho.
13. what’s a weird headcanon you have for each of your muses?
betty: idk if this is weird but betty has the ability to literally sleep anywhere. once she decides she’s comfortable and wants to sleep, she’s done. betty’s been found sleeping in a closet, under a desk in a student’s lounge, IN CLASS…
veronika: she knows like every word to a handful of like early 2000s songs. outkast’s “hey ya”, eminem’s “without me”, coolio’s “gangsta’s paradise”, black eyed peas “where is the love”. a lot of avril lavigne. she won’t sing it (unless you’re noelle) but she can recite and mouth along to the song
makaria: she had a cooking phase. but only she eats the food bc she doesn’t want to accidentally poison anybody or make them puke. she likes cooking food. considers herself a good food critic.
hershey: hated ice-cream for the longest time bc, as a kid, he couldn’t get through the ice-cream catapult range on the sugar rush track. full-on boycotted ice-cream from like ages 6-10. it was a sad time for hershey.
cestrum: i’ve talked about it before but his tapdancing! started when he found a pair of dancing shoes in wonderland. then he found an old gramophone and some records. he basically taught himself how to tap dance. he doesn’t do it so often now because there’s every chance someone’s going to catch him doing it.
aiwei: secretly tried all sorts of things to make himself taller. he’d do stretches. he’d hang upside down. the last straw was when he would hang by his arms off a tall beam, with weight attached to his feet. he can’t feel pain so he just added as many weights as possible, and one foot literally popped off the socket. there’s a scar there too.
otto: scared of open water. doesn’t like the idea of drowning. he frantically trained himself to be able to swim well (in a pool) but he’s still wary of going to the beach. doesn’t like flying on a plane over large bodies of water. just……..no open water.
illyria: she’s really really bad with makeup. all she had to go on for years was tia dalma’s intense eyeliner, smokey-eye look LMAO. she tried makeup for a while but got too lazy and is just bare-faced now (she loves moisturising though and buys all sorts of sea-themed facewashes and things).
kirsa: she’s really picky about food. she’s a little self-conscious about it so when u eat with her for the first time she just goes with whatever but once she’s comfortable it’s just gonna be so specific. “hi so i’d like the apple pie for dessert with the ice-cream on the side, and if it’s home-baked pie then i’d like it heated but if it’s not then leave the ice-cream and i’ll have whipped cream instead. otherwise, i’d still like the ice-cream on the side – and for the salad, can i also have the dressing on the side please?” this is shamelessly taken from ‘when harry met sally’ but EVERYTHING IS ON THE SIDE
dignan: he’s superstitious especially about competitions. the first baseball game he won, he ate ice-cream beforehand so like now every time he has to eat ice-cream before a game. different rule for mathletes though, whenever they have a competition, he has to do like ten sit-ups. he will do those sit-ups anywhere, but he has to get them done. doesn’t walk under ladders. doesn’t open umbrellas indoors.
helen: she’s really not looking to love anyone right now, but she ends up liking so many people and she kinda loves that physical side of the relationship a lot ??? she also loves showing off and that’s not really a quirky headcanon but like she loves showing off
penelope: idk yet but i think maybe she once tried singing to the birds on the isle (back when her grandmother was still like ‘yes penny sing!!’) and honestly like the birds either died or tried to attack her, she probably has a fear of birds now because of that.
28. can you sort your muses from weakest to strongest?
PHYSICAL STRENGTH-ABILITY WISE
aiwei: is a pacifist but also just like no upper-arm strength and literally you could rip his arms off with the right amount of force so no
cestrum: could literally knock him over with a strong wind but at least he’s a little more solid than aiwei. also a pacifist. also has a little trauma when it comes to physical harm so he just freezes and let’s things happen to him.
kirsa: has no idea how to defend herself and literally just runs or something and she’s not even a fast runner. she can scream tho and she panic-fights so she has every chance to scratch someone’s eyes out.
hershey: also panic-fights. would rather run (or drive away) than fight. if he had a car in his disposal he would still choose to just drive away with as little injury to anyone as possible. not very powerful in terms of physical fights; he gets beat up a lot.
veronika: knows how to avoid fights. calm in a brawl. uses her environment to her advantage (ie. broken glass, distractions). looks to leave fights rather than end them.
dignan: only more powerful than veronika physically but strategically he’s a mess. impulsive fighter. will throw himself into anything. upper-arm strength because of recent training and exercise; good aim, has amazing aim.
illyria: calm, strategic, trained fighter. but only good with weapons, not very good with hand-to-hand combat (would rather not touch anyone at all). different scenario if she was in the water, but by herself she’s at this stage of the scale.
otto: brute strength. brawls. boxing. clenched fists and can take a hit and doesn’t stop hitting until the other person gives up. also swordsmanship.
helen: the most powerful out of all my non-powered people. she’s got the strength, the strategy, the experience and the training. actual warrior princess helen rider. can also do everything in heels and on horseback. can probably do motorcycle stunts.
betty: she has so much untapped potential; the ursula event was only like a small dose of what she could do if she decided to use her powers that way. could end a fight before it even started.
makaria: ofc a goddess of death would be like the most powerful. fire (hellfire) powers, and shadow manipulation and basic magic and teleportation and also she doesn’t know it yet/hasn’t had a chance but she can manipulate the dead that are devoted to hades. also she’s gonna get her immortality one of these days so Full God Mak Aidoneus™
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