#robyn rhysling

[kellyvela]

I ascribe to the one eyed Jon theory and I also ascribe to the darker Jon post resurrection. I’m wondering how much GRRM’s Aemond in F&B may be a clue to the rebirth personality of Jon (Aemon) in the books. It will never be an exact copy of course but maybe a shadow of the Jon to come?

Yeah, it will never be the exact copy. There are a lot of one-eyed characters that are somehow linked to Jon.

Jonnel Stark, the obvious one. Lord of Winterfell, married his half-niece, the first Sansa Stark.

Waymar Royce, the not so obvious one. Jon's look alike, died with similar stabs. Sansa's first crush.

Beric Dondarrion, resurrected by the Lord of Light. Melisandre will probably play a part in Jon's resurrection. Jeyne Poole's crush.

Timmet, basically a Vale clan Jon's version. He knows Sansa.

Brynden Rivers, Targaryen bastard, night's watch brother, lost an eye. Bran's dark mentor. Was in love with his half sister Shiera.

Aemond Targaryen, Targaryen prince, brown haired mother, awful father, claimed a dragon, lost an eye. Had an affair with Alys Rivers, rumored witch, Strong bastard, lived at Harrenhal.

One Eye, Varamyr Sixskins wolf.

Sunfyre, Aegon II's dragon, lost an eye while fighting with another dragon mounted by Baela Targaryen. Jace's first betrothed. Burned and ate Rhaenyra Targaryen.

Mors Umber, northern, a crow pecked out his eye, wears a snow bear skin cloak, he's fighting the Boltons to retake Winterfell. Knows Jeyne Poole is not Arya Stark.

Robyn Rhysling, Kingsguard, Egg (Aegon VI Targaryen) made him fought for Dunk in the Trial of Seven at Ashford Meadow. 

Jon will be darker for sure but not exactly a copy of any of these men, because his circumstances will be different. He will live inside his direwolf Ghost for a while, Ghost can be savage but deep down is the sweetest boy, and he will probably have Sansa to help him regain his humanity when he comes back to life.

[gotham-at-nightfall]

The Trial of Seven at Ashford Meadow!

The Hedge Knight #6

[goodqueenaly]

So I was thinking about Leo Tyrell (Leo Longthorn, not maester-in-training Lazy Leo), and in particular this passage:

One-eyed Ser Robyn Rhysling, a grizzled old knight with a salt-and-pepper beard, lost his helm to Lord Leo’s lance in their first course, yet refused to yield. Three times more, they rode at each other, the wind whipping Ser Robyn’s hair while the shards of broken lances flew round his bare face like wooden knives, which Dunk thought all the more wondrous when Egg told him that Ser Robyn had lost his eye to a splinter from a broken lance not five years earlier. Leo Tyrell was too chivalrous to aim another lance at Ser Robyn’s unprotected head, but even so Rhysling’s stubborn courage (or was it folly?) left Dunk astounded. Finally the Lord of Highgarden struck Ser Robyn’s breastplate a solid thump right over the heart and sent him cartwheeling to the earth.

Dunk thinks of Leo Tyrell’s actions here - specifically, refusing to aim at his opponent’s exposed face and head - but I’m wondering whether Leo was couching a calculated, and rather unchivalrous, strategy in the guise of chivalry. After all, as Egg confirms here, flying splinters from broken lances are no empty threat: Robyn Rhysling is living proof that the very characteristic that is supposed to make tourney lances less dangerous - that is, their design of breaking on impact - also makes them more liable to cause serious injuries. Dunk wonders whether Ser Robyn’s “stubborn courage” in continuing bareheaded against Leo is actually “folly”, and we see elsewhere in “The Hedge Knight” that Robyn is unique in risking his exposed head to flying splinters; after all, after Leo had “aimed his point so expertly he ripped the Grey Lion’s helm cleanly off his head”, the barefaced Damon Lannister “raised his hand in salute and dismounted, yielding the match”. 

Leo Tyrell is clearly talented as a jouster - even Yandel notes in TWOIAF that “[m]any consider him the finest jouster ever to couch a lance” - but Leo does not have to have lacked for skill to have realized a different winning strategy. Perhaps Leo realized that he didn’t have to unseat his opponents to be a tourney champion - he only had to make them believe that continuing against him was more trouble for them than it was worth. Expert enough with a lance to guarantee he could knock off an opponent’s helm (without, presumably, killing the other knight), Leo could thus create the risk of flying splinters blinding (or even killing) his opponent. Only a truly stubborn - and, perhaps, truly foolhardy - opponent would choose to risk his eyes or neck to break more lances; most might take the Damon Lannister route of quitting while in one piece. 

If this were truly what Leo was doing, then his strategy demonstrates the appearance of chivalry without the spirit of chivalry. This is perhaps fitting for Leo Tyrell, who later in “The Hedge Knight” shows a cynical smile as he allows that Aerion is within his rights to demand a trial of seven - and, of course, who does nothing to help Dunk in the trial by combat. (Not to mention what @racefortheironthrone​ theorizes, that Leo Tyrell turned cloak during the First Blackfyre Rebellion, promising support for Daemon before turning on his supporters in the aftermath of the Redgrass Field.) In turn, the truly chivalrous one here is not Leo himself, with his rather unchivalrous splinter strategy, but the stubborn and committed Robyn Rhysling, who not only insists on continuing against Leo but does stand up for Dunk in the trial of seven.

[eschercaine]

Tourney at Ashford Meadow Theory

Note: Screw the tv show (it sucks)… I’m denying it’s existence. The books are much better. The sources are ASOIAF wiki and A Forum of Ice and Fire.

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The tourney at Ashford meadow or tourney at Ashford was a tourney hosted by House Ashford at Ashford Meadow in 209 AC. Due to accidental death of Prince Baelor Targaryen–the Prince of Dragonstone, son and heir of King Daeron II Targaryen, and Hand of the King–Ashford was one of the most famous and and historically significant tourneys.

History

Lord Ashford staged the tourney to celebrate his daughter’s thirteenth name day. His daughter was the queen of love and beauty and would have five champions to defend her honor. All other entrants were the challengers and if anyone defeated a champion, they would take their place as the new champion. After three days of jousting, the champions would determine if Lord Ashford’s daughter retained her title or if another would wear it.

The Joust

The original champions were:

Ser Androw Ashford

Ser Robert Ashford

Lord Leo Tyrell

Ser Humfrey Hardyng

Prince Valarr Targaryen

Then:

Ser Tybolt Lannister defeated Ser Androw Ashford (6 tilts)

Ser Lyonel Baratheon defeated Ser Robert Ashford (10 tilts)

Lord Leo Tyrell defeated Lord Damon Lannister (3 tilts)

Ser Humfrey Hardyng defeated Lord Medgar Tully (2 tilts)

Prince Valarr Targaryen defeated Ser Abelar Hightower (2 tilts)

Lord Leo Tyrell defeated Lord Pearse Caron

Ser Humfrey Hardyng defeated Ser Joseth Mallister

Prince Valarr Targaryen defeated Lord Gawen Swann (2 tilts)

Ser Tybolt Lannister defeated Ser Jon Penrose

Lord Leo Tyrell defeated Ser Robyn Rhysling (4 tilts)

Ser Humfrey Hardyng defeated Ser Humfrey Beesbury (13 tilts)

Ser Humfrey Hardyng defeated Prince Aerion Targaryen (by forfeit)

Prince Valarr Targaryen won seven more times

So, the remaining five champions were:

Ser Lyonel Baratheon

Lord Leo Tyrell

Ser Tybolt Lannister

Ser Humfrey Hardyng

Prince Valarr Targaryen

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Baratheon, Tyrell, Lannister, Hardyng and Targaryen were the five remaining champions for a 13 year old Lady Ashford.

Seems familiar?

When you look at the names of the champions’ families and the fact that they were fighting for a 13 year old lady, we can see that they correspond with Sansa Stark’s suitors in ASoIaF.

Sansa was first betrothed to Joffrey Baratheon (despite having no Baratheon blood in him, because his real father is Jaime Lannister, he is named Baratheon because he is raised under his known father King Robert Baratheon his entire life)

Sansa is then planned to be wed to Willas Tyrell

Sansa is married to Tyrion Lannister

Currently, Sansa (under the guise of Alayne Stone) is now being betrothed to Harry Hardyng

We can say that this is a foreshadowing of Sansa’s future suitors/husband in The Winds of Winter and A Dream of Spring (if there will be any). But there is one suitor we haven’t seen yet… a Targaryen suitor (foreshadowed by Prince Valarr Targaryen).

If Harry Hardyng will die in TWOW (and I wish he should be)… all that’s left for Sansa her future Targaryen suitor.

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About the Targayen suitor, there are two cases for it. First, is Aegon VI Targaryen, Rhaegar and Elia’s son. In The Winds of Winter, he has already the Martells on his side, captured Storm’s End, the Golden Company who sworn to Aegon still has friends in the Reach (which courting Margaery is unnecessary), and he and Connington have abandoned hope of Daenerys joining them and have already begun plotting to conquer Westeros. If he managed to conquer the 4 kingdoms, the one left are the North, the Riverlands, and the Vale and Sansa Stark is the perfect choice for him since she’s the known heir to Winterfell, niece of Edmure Tully, and currently betrothed to the heir of the Vale.

Even if you say that Aegon VI is a fake or he is Blackfyre, IT DOESN’T MATTER. What matters is the family name of the suitor. Since Aegon (Young Griffin) is called a Targaryen by Connington, Varys, Tyrion, etc., he would be considered a Targaryen, even if he is a fake.

Next is, dun dun dun… Jon Snow. IF (and only IF) Aegon VI is revealed to be fake and R+L=J, that makes Jon Snow a the remaining Targaryen heir (I doubt that Daenerys will ever come). IF Jon Snow is resurrected (and I hoped he will be) in TWOW and Robb Stark’s will would reach him, then, he will be legitimized as Jon Stark, King in the North, and unknowingly, son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark and heir to the Iron Throne.

 So… who do you think is Sansa Stark’s “Targaryen” suitor? Aegon VI (Young Griff) or Jon Snow?

[laannie0803]

El príncipe Daeron Targaryen, a veces llamado Daeron el Borracho, fue el hijo mayor y heredero del rey Maekar I Targaryen y Lady Dyanna Dayne.

Daeron tenía la piel cetrina, el cabello marrón arena y la barba rubia. No compartía las aficiones de un caballero, detestaba tanto montar como las espadas, prefiriendo en su lugar la bebida y los burdeles. Tenía a menudo sueños proféticos.

Nacido en 190 d.C., el príncipe Daeron fue el hijo mayor del entonces príncipe Maekar Targaryen y Lady Dyanna Dayne. Tuvo cinco hermanos menores, Aerion, Aemon, Aegon, Rhae y Daella. Fue nombrado en honor a su abuelo, el rey Daeron II Targaryen.

Maekar envía a sus hijos Daeron y Aegon al Torneo de Vado Ceniza, con la esperanza de que opacaran al hijo de su hermano Baelor, el príncipe Valarr. Daeron, quien temía a los caballos y a las armas, decidió esconderse de su escolta, llevando a su hermano y escudero Aegon con él. Afeitó la cabeza de Aegon para ocultar sus rasgos Targaryen y se fue a una posada, con el objetivo de emborracharse. Fue en ese lugar que perdió la pista de su hermano menor.

Pensando que algo debía haberles pasado a sus hijos, Maekar sale a buscarlos. Cuando encuentran a Daeron, éste dice que un caballero de enorme estatura se había llevado a Aegon. Posteriormente, se disculpa con Ser Duncan por haber mentido y le dice que no tenía idea que Aegon se había ido. Además, le cuenta un sueño que había tenido. En él, un gran dragón rojo caía sobre Ser Duncan, pero él se levantaba y salía con vida. Daeron le dijo que no sabía el significado del sueño, pero que éstos se hacían realidad frecuentemente, por lo que estaba preocupado por él.

Daeron también dijo a Ser Duncan que no iba a pelear, y que durante la primera justa del Juicio de Siete tenía pensado quedarse en el suelo fingiendo que había sido derrotado, y de paso también retirar sus acusaciones. En el juicio, Daeron fue desmontado por Ser Robyn Rhysling, y cumplió con lo prometido, permaneciendo tendido en el terreno de las justas. Su propio caballo pasó sobre él, pero no quedó herido de gravedad. Resultó al final que el sueño de Daeron era una verdadera profecía, ya que el príncipe Baelor Targaryen murió en brazos de Dunk, tras el golpe mortal que recibió en la cabeza por parte del príncipe Maekar.

Tras el ascenso de su padre al Trono de Hierro y ya como su heredero, el príncipe Daeron prefirió ser conocido como Príncipe de Refugio Estival en lugar de utilizar el tradicional título de Príncipe de Rocadragón, ya que consideraba este lugar como una residencia sombría.

Daeron se casó con Lady Kiera de Tyrosh, y en 222 d.C. tuvo con ella una hija, la princesa Vaella, que resultó ser retrasada. El maestre Aemon sirvió en la fortaleza de su hermano mayor, hasta que Daeron murió de una peste que le había contagiado una prostituta. El asunto de la sucesión al Trono de Hierro se resolvería en el 233 d.C., tras la celebración de un Gran Consejo.

De verdad uno pensaría que el pudo ser rey? Aun que bueno hubiera sido el primer rey borracho antes que Robert Baratheon.

Prince Daeron Targaryen, sometimes called Daeron the Drunk, was the eldest son and heir to King Maekar I Targaryen and Lady Dyanna Dayne.

Daeron had sallow skin, sandy brown hair, and a blond beard. He did not share the hobbies of a gentleman, he detested riding as well as swords, preferring drink and brothels instead. He often had prophetic dreams.

Born in 190 AD, Prince Daeron was the eldest son of then-Prince Maekar Targaryen and Lady Dyanna Dayne. He had five younger brothers, Aerion, Aemon, Aegon, Rhae, and Daella. It was named after his grandfather, King Daeron II Targaryen.

Maekar sends his sons Daeron and Aegon to the Ashford Tournament, hoping they will outshine his brother Baelor's son, Prince Valarr. Daeron, who feared horses and weapons, decided to hide from his escort, taking his brother and squire Aegon with him. He shaved Aegon's head to hide his Targaryen features and went to an inn, aiming to get drunk. It was there that he lost track of his younger brother.

Thinking that something must have happened to his children, Maekar goes out to find them. When they find Daeron, he says that a knight of enormous stature had taken Aegon. Later, he apologizes to Ser Duncan for lying and tells him that he had no idea that Aegon was gone. In addition, he tells her about a dream he had had. In it, a great red dragon fell on Ser Duncan, but he got up and came out alive. Daeron told him that he did not know the meaning of the dream, but that they frequently came true, so he was worried about him.

Daeron also told Ser Duncan that he was not going to fight, and that during the first joust of the Trial of Seven he planned to stay on the ground pretending he had been defeated, and also to withdraw his accusations. At the trial, Daeron was dismounted by Ser Robyn Rhysling, and he delivered on his promise, remaining lying on the fair ground. His own horse passed over him, but was not seriously injured. It turned out in the end that Daeron's dream was a true prophecy, as Prince Baelor Targaryen died in Dunk's arms, following a fatal blow to the head from Prince Maekar.

Following his father's ascension to the Iron Throne and now his heir, Prince Daeron preferred to be known as the Prince of Summer Haven rather than using the traditional title Prince of Dragonstone, as he regarded this place as a gloomy residence.

Daeron married Lady Kiera of Tyrosh, and in AD 222 He had with her a daughter, Princess Vaella, who turned out to be retarded. Maester Aemon served in his elder brother's stronghold, until Daeron died of a plague spread by a prostitute. The matter of the succession to the Iron Throne would be resolved in 233 AD, after the celebration of a Great Council.

Would you really think that he could be king? Although he would have been the first drunken king before Robert Baratheon.