#rayse

[theskytraveler]

Did... did Tanavast choose his ship name as his new identity when he Ascended? Because Rayse kept calling him Tanner and like Tanner + Koravellium Avast = Tanavast

Was this man that down bad that he Renesmeed himself??

[lamaery]

Shard Roller Disco: Roshar Odium has been thirdwheeling for millennia. hmm... song to this in the back of my head: All of the Time by Jungle just for the vibe of the song

More Shard Roller Disco AU: Roshar Cultivations, Honor and Odium Nalthis Endowment Sel and Scadrial Devotion, Dominion, Preservation and Ruin Scadrial 2 Preservation and Harmony First of the Sun and Taldain Autonomy Threnody Ambition Roshar 2 (row spoilers) Odium Roshar 3 Bonus Dawnshard (spoilers) Roshar 4 (wat spoilers) Retribution Roshar 5 (WaT spoilers) Honor Dawnshard Bonus 2 (WaT and Sunlit spoilers)

[raxiellle]

Retribution more like Odium-Chloride amirite

[lux-lightweaver]

I have Thoughts and Analysis about Odium and specifically Rayse hopefully I remember to elaborate after work

[chill-reading-books]

Oh? 🧐 Did he kill a Shard and expect the next one to be able to do something different than what the first committed to?

Is he still bound by some promise of Adonalsium? 🧐

Fascinating...

[thepolyamorouspolymath]

The biggest question looming for me about Stormlight 5 is what Odium will be like now that Taravangian is the vessel.

The epigrams between Hoid and the Shards of Adonalsium (as well as Harmony in Mistborn Era 2) suggest that the vessel and the Shard influence each other to some degree or another. Specifically, I'm thinking of where it says Ati was a kind and generous man who only became what he did due to eons of Ruin's influence, while Rayse was always odious, wanting to be the embodiment of Hatred.

Taravangian was not a bad man. He did horrifying things, but not for selfish reasons, but simply not knowing what else to do and being too afraid to let go of control.

Now, after eons of holding Odium's Shard I'm sure any goodness will be long gone, but in Stormlight 5, he just started. Obviously he won't be able to just drop the whole thing -- Odium will still have significant power. (Honestly I'm not sure that he could even if he was fully in the driver's seat. The whole thing with the Fused is long been established, so maybe even Odium can't break it and Dalinar's contest between champions is binding. So the big broad strokes may be set in a way that even if Taravangian was totally pure of heart and in full control, he'd have to follow.)

It's clearly foreshadowed that there are differences, by his interaction with Hoid. But to what degree? Taravangian isn't a man consumed by Hatred, and he certainly doesn't want to be motivated by such the way Rayse did.

He wanted to save what he could -- guaranteed survival for the few by taking away even a chance of survival for many may be a terrible thing, but it's not the same as just wanting wholesale destruction for its own sake.

And while Odium wants the destruction bc he's a dick, his bigger aim is just to get away from Roshar bc he wants to kill the other Shards. That would have been a goal Rayse was completely aligned with that Taravangian does not care about at all.

(Also, really interested in why he never goes after Cultivation)

I think there's sufficient reason to think that we may see significant changes in Odium and his goals with Taravangian, at least this early on, and I'm really fascinated to see what form that takes.

[sebarial-the-economist]

Jail for Odium, Jail for Odium for One Thousand Years!

[il3x]

An Odium song for all my Stormlight friends.

"Tear down the hallows, take back eternity..."

"Don't stop, don't think, don't look back You're a bolt of lightning in the sky now Don't stop, don't think, don't look back I've pulled you in, prepare to die now"

"Bring me your soul Bring me your hate In my name you will create Bring me your fear Bring me your pain You will destroy in my name..."

[butwhybother]

The older man was wrapped head-to-toe in a yellow shiqua, though he'd pulled the face portion down to expose a furrowed face with a cleft chin. They were in home lands, and the need to cover up before Nun Raylisi--the enemy of their god--was minimal. Tashi supposedly protected them here.

Edgedancer chapter 3.

Is "Raylisi" Rayse? Who's "Tashi?" It sounds too different to be Tanavast.

[theskytraveler]

Ati and Leras hiding in Scadrial like there's nothing to see there

[kett-draws]

7. Seethe

Felt fitting for this one to do the literal god of hate. I took a crack at doing the scene where Dalinar and Rayse are settling the terms, especially when Rayse realises Hoid has been meddling.

[its-cosmerely-an-obsesh-wound]

Is Kaladin Stormblessed the ultimate fictional example of being so competent and good at your job that you have to do everyone else's jobs, too? Just imagine his resume and references at this point. My dude is Employee of the Eon.

[itsaboon]

I got Sigzil, and thought, good so far, then Palona, and was like, ok, I'm chill with this, then I got Rayse. And Oh Boy Is This House Gonna Burn Down.

Spin this wheel of stormlight characters three times. They are your new roommates.

[razielim]

I'm shocked that this thought came to mind while stone cold sober, but I can see Kelsier Ascending to hold Retribution if Taravangian ever makes the mistake of butting heads with him directly.

Obviously, this would Not be a better alternative for the Cosmere. Kelsier could make those shards Worse.

[moash]

just read the moash interlude. don’t know how to feel about it. anyone else feel like sanderson just like decided he didn’t like the direction he had been going with moash and tried to backtrack?

[topcat77]

Martial Rayse