#Rayse

[lamaery]

Shard Roller Disco: Roshar Odium has been thirdwheeling for millennia. hmm... song to this in the back of my head: All of the Time by Jungle just for the vibe of the song More Shard Roller Disco AU: Nalthis Sel and Scadrial Scadrial 2 First of the Sun and Taldain Threnody Roshar 2 (row spoilers) Roshar 3 Bonus Dawnshard (spoilers)

[lux-lightweaver]

I have Thoughts and Analysis about Odium and specifically Rayse hopefully I remember to elaborate after work

[captrosko]

"You're not alone, Dalinar. I'm here. I've always been here. Let go. Give it to me."

Started as a redraw of my old Odium artwork. Turned into something more.

[twobitsandanibble]

"Et tu, Cephandrius?"

[thepolyamorouspolymath]

The biggest question looming for me about Stormlight 5 is what Odium will be like now that Taravangian is the vessel.

The epigrams between Hoid and the Shards of Adonalsium (as well as Harmony in Mistborn Era 2) suggest that the vessel and the Shard influence each other to some degree or another. Specifically, I'm thinking of where it says Ati was a kind and generous man who only became what he did due to eons of Ruin's influence, while Rayse was always odious, wanting to be the embodiment of Hatred.

Taravangian was not a bad man. He did horrifying things, but not for selfish reasons, but simply not knowing what else to do and being too afraid to let go of control.

Now, after eons of holding Odium's Shard I'm sure any goodness will be long gone, but in Stormlight 5, he just started. Obviously he won't be able to just drop the whole thing -- Odium will still have significant power. (Honestly I'm not sure that he could even if he was fully in the driver's seat. The whole thing with the Fused is long been established, so maybe even Odium can't break it and Dalinar's contest between champions is binding. So the big broad strokes may be set in a way that even if Taravangian was totally pure of heart and in full control, he'd have to follow.)

It's clearly foreshadowed that there are differences, by his interaction with Hoid. But to what degree? Taravangian isn't a man consumed by Hatred, and he certainly doesn't want to be motivated by such the way Rayse did.

He wanted to save what he could -- guaranteed survival for the few by taking away even a chance of survival for many may be a terrible thing, but it's not the same as just wanting wholesale destruction for its own sake.

And while Odium wants the destruction bc he's a dick, his bigger aim is just to get away from Roshar bc he wants to kill the other Shards. That would have been a goal Rayse was completely aligned with that Taravangian does not care about at all.

(Also, really interested in why he never goes after Cultivation)

I think there's sufficient reason to think that we may see significant changes in Odium and his goals with Taravangian, at least this early on, and I'm really fascinated to see what form that takes.

[thaidakar-is-hot]

I made this handy chart, it has a few inaccuracies! So let me point them out.

I have been told that that’s not Hoid, thats an Elantris character. Let’s pretend its Hoid for my own sanity. And that Szeth should be higher up, aka, lower up...in this case! Also Taravangian should be at both ends of the spectrum.

Otherwise I think it’s very accurate.

Thank you @cosmereplay for your help on this lol.

[sebarial-the-economist]

Jail for Odium, Jail for Odium for One Thousand Years!

[il3x]

An Odium song for all my Stormlight friends.

"Tear down the hallows, take back eternity..."

"Don't stop, don't think, don't look back You're a bolt of lightning in the sky now Don't stop, don't think, don't look back I've pulled you in, prepare to die now"

"Bring me your soul Bring me your hate In my name you will create Bring me your fear Bring me your pain You will destroy in my name..."

[butwhybother]

The older man was wrapped head-to-toe in a yellow shiqua, though he'd pulled the face portion down to expose a furrowed face with a cleft chin. They were in home lands, and the need to cover up before Nun Raylisi--the enemy of their god--was minimal. Tashi supposedly protected them here.

Edgedancer chapter 3.

Is "Raylisi" Rayse? Who's "Tashi?" It sounds too different to be Tanavast.

[kett-draws]

7. Seethe

Felt fitting for this one to do the literal god of hate. I took a crack at doing the scene where Dalinar and Rayse are settling the terms, especially when Rayse realises Hoid has been meddling.

[its-cosmerely-an-obsesh-wound]

Is Kaladin Stormblessed the ultimate fictional example of being so competent and good at your job that you have to do everyone else's jobs, too? Just imagine his resume and references at this point. My dude is Employee of the Eon.

[moash]

just read the moash interlude. don’t know how to feel about it. anyone else feel like sanderson just like decided he didn’t like the direction he had been going with moash and tried to backtrack?

[ladyrunningdowntotheriptide18]

Odium went down to Alethkar, he was lookin' for a soul to steal

He was in a bind 'cause he was way behind

And he was willin' to make a deal

When he came across this worldhopper sawin' on a flute and playin' it hot

And the Shard jumped up on a rock bud

And said, "Cephandrias, let me tell you what,

I guess you didn't know it but I'm a flute player too

And if you'd care to take a dare, I'll make a bet with you

Now you play a pretty good flute, Cephandrias

But give this Shard his due

I'll bet a flute of gold against your soul

'Cause I think I'm better than you"

The man said, "my name's Hoid and it might be a sin

But I'll take your bet, you're gonna regret

'Cause I'm the best there's ever been"

Hoid, play your flute hard

'Cause Damnation broke loose on Rosher, and the Odium deals the cards

And if you win, you get this shiny flute made of gold

But if you lose, Odium gets your soul

The Shard opened up his case and he said, "I'll start this show"

And fire flew from his fingertips as he held up the flute

And he blowed

And it made a evil hiss

Then a band of Fused joined in

And it sounded something like this

When Odium finished, Hoid said, "well, you're pretty good, ol' son

But sit down in that chair right there

And let me show you how it's done"

"Highstorm on the Plains" run bridgemen, run

The Odium's in the House of the Sunmaker

Chicken in a pan pickin' out curry

Granny, does your axehound bite? No, child, no

Odium bowed his head because he knew that he'd been beat

And he laid that golden flute on the ground at Hoid’s feet

Hoid said, "Rayse, just come on back if you ever wanna try again

I done told you once you son of a bitch, I'm the best that's ever been"

The Devil Went Down to Georgia but its Hoid & Odium

[topcat77]

Martial Rayse

[sweatersexual]

Next week's chapters be like

Cultivation: dalinar your frenemy isn't dead he's literal god levels of megalomaniacal now

Dalinar: damn I'm gonna have to kill him for realsies

Wit: you're saying MY frenemy is dead??

Cultivation: do you hear something? Dalinar tell your stepdaughter/niece to get a better boyfriend

Wit: I didn't even get in a parting shot at Rayse :C

[knight-of-skyloft]

Just because r/fuckmoash thinks Moash is the worst person in the Stormlight Archive doesn't mean he's actually portrayed that way, like you can actually look in the books and see what Brandon wrote instead of taking the worst parts of Stormlight reddit as gospel