#ravensong spoilers

[rhllorthered]

The Sex Scenes go from hot to heartbreaking.

Wolfsong: You're doing so good ❤️‍🔥🥵

Ravensong: I need you to fuck me 🥵🤤

Heartsong: Use the memory of my fangs in your skin ❤️‍🩹❤️‍🔥

Brothersong: Don't let him have me. Don't let him take me. 🥺🥺💔

[mollyolikeme]

The fast paced back and forth of ravensong when Gordo Joe Carter and Kelly start to head back to Green Creek,

Getting short snippets of Gordo being left alone as a teenager and then our present versions of the guys feeling everything as they head home,

All building to the scene where Gordo gives his wolf back to Mark,

And they meet face to face with a pack they don’t know.

It hurts so fucking good.

[artform-virtue]

finally rereading ravensong by tj klune and was emotionally devastated by page 2.

it's the way mark and gordo are doomed by the narrative. it's the way they cursed by their fathers to repeat them same mistakes over and over. it's the way they are destined to break each other's hearts. it's the way they are tragic archetypes destined for heartbreak. it's the dramatic irony of knowing how each flashback ends and still being devastated. it's the way they never stop fighting for each other. it's the way they will have a happy ending anyways because it's a beautiful queer paranormal romance.

[freedom-apparatus]

Green Creek Short Stories

For anyone that's new to Green Creek or just didn't know, there's three short story companions to the series on TJ Klune's blog! Please mind the spoilers :)

Lovesong: Comes after Wolfsong and Ravensong. Spoilers for both.

Feralsong: Comes after Wolfsong, Ravensong, and Heartsong. Spoilers for all three.

Lovesong II: Comes after Wolfsong, Ravensong, and Heartsong. Spoilers for all three.

Just wanted to spread the love. You may cry.

[nerdshirts-and-rubberducks]

If I had a nickel for everytime I read a book series where 'The Joys of Gay Sex' had a not insignificant impact on the progress of the story, and that series goes on to be the most emotionally impactful and life changing series I've ever read......I would have two nickels...

Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.

[samuelturn]

Aight so now that I have finished Brothersong I have THOUGHTS on further logistical breakdowns of how Green Creek could be adapted to a GLAAD Award-Winning HBO TV show. Spoilers so here is a cut for anyone who wants to be fresh to the series.

PRE-PRODUCTION

OKAY SO! The filming block for Season 1/Wolfsong would MOST LIKELY be the biggest, especially for scenes involving younger versions of the actors. As these are spread out across, like, all four books, some are just “scene we’ve seen but from a different perspective or with ‘Dream Seauence VFX’ so we just need more blocking/extra takes to make it all seem believeable using B-roll” to “yeah this requires Young Thomas and various child actors so we’re filming this beforehand so that everyone looks the same when these scenes come up later” to “ah hell we gotta shave their heads anyways might as well film the revenge road trip.” Thus, basically everyone but, like, Dominique would have to be cast by Season 1, and probably all of Season 1 and half of season 2 would need to be written and finalized and drafts/outlines of Season 3 and 4 would need to be made before casting would begin. Writer’s room would include TJ and a racially-diverse LGBT staff.

Caswell wouldn’t need to be fully built but enough of a location would be needed to film individual scenes with the younger actors and scenes set in the big house at Caswell (ie arguments between Mark and Thomas, Joe being taken, Thomas in the woods with the kids, Thomas writing the letters)

Title sequence would be based on the lovely new covers for the hardcover editions from Tor. They’d get longer with each season and by the end we see the whole pack in the papercraft style of the covers.

CASTING

Yeah we’d need a big ass cast. With multiple actors to play different characters at different ages.

Babies:

Carter, Kelly, Joe, maybe also Gavin depending on things

Children:

Gordo, Gavin, Mark, Rico, Chris, Tanner, Carter, Kelly, Joe, Robbie

Young Adult (ie Teen to Mid 20s) and Adult (ie by the Rough Present of when Ox first discoveres the secret of the Bennetts)

Basically everyone else

The tricky part will be that, yeah, there will probably need to be different actors for 20s Thomas, Elizabeth, Mark, and Gordo because while a 20-something can play 16 or so, its harder for 30-40 year olds to play 20-something. The upside being that an older actor CAN play Gordo for the scenes after Ox’s dad leaves (also Ox’s dad will need a name lol). You would need to switch to older actors for the Bennett kids and Ox basically once Ox graduates high school. But then you can keep all the same actors for the rest of the “present” set scenes. Osmond, and Robert Livingstone would also need younger actors. Richard Collins would only need one actor he’s barely in the flashbacks as it is.

STRUCTURE/PLOT RAMBLINGS

There are a few things that would need to be done in order to improve the pacing for TV, imo. Mainly, that the handing off of Alpha of All to the Fairbanks pack needs to feel more earned and less semi-random. Like, show them taking in Omegas at the end of Season 2, have them be allies at Caswell in Season 3 and the final battle in Season 4. Flesh them out a bit more. Also some continuity smoothing would be needed (ie clarifying that Gordo refused Mark’s MATE bite not Thomas’s BECOME WOLF bite).

Some more forshadowing of Robert’s failsafe in Season 2 would help. Obviously SHOW Gavin’s timber wolf in the attack on Jessie (and ideally have the actor be the body actor wearing the CGI ball suit moving all wolf-like in the scene) in Season 1.

I’d personally add in more of a wrap-up in Caswell at the end of Season 4. And also an extended aftermath scene or episode after Ox’s resurrection. Joe’s wolf is still bigger than almost everyone else, but not as big as it was when he was Alpha. One thing that I’d ask to be added is, maybe with the death of Robert and the ressurrection of Ox there’s a big ass magic pulse and we get a follow-up with the new Alpha of All from Alaska training Betas who have become Alphas thanks to Mystical Moon Magic as they rebuild packs across the continent. Idk the story needs more of a denumont. Alpha of All making more of an effort to try and bring Omegas back from the brink before just automatically deciding to kill them.

Dominique could have human bite marks on her to show thar Jessie tried to “Mate Bite” too even as a human. Bambi and Rico too.

He/They Gavin? Maybe? Gavin feels very he/they. Also Elizabeth showing affection to Maggie (hey if we’re gonna imply that Thomas and Richard had a kind of romantic love for each other in Brothersong before he went Omega Lizzie can make side-eye at Maggie).

Show more of the three year gap between Ravensong and Heartsong (not a lot but more than just one bit when Robbie is kidnapped). And the new story in the deluxe hardcover books too. The myth or whatever. That can be animated in a sketchy style (think Princess Kaguya or Wolfwalkers) with VO from Elizabeth.

Anyway rambling over I love these books so much. TJ I woudn’t say no to a LIGHT DRAMA/mostly fluff 5th book or short story. Maybe from Chris or Tanner’s perspective? Or Jessie’s?

[azurejacques]

Alright so on Thomas-

He’s such an important and well-written character, despite dying in the first book. His death is essential to the story, and to the development of all those around him, and here’s why. In life, he’s a leader, a father, a husband- an Alpha. He has responsibility, and is there to help and answer questions, and he represents a bridge between the events of the past and the past generation and the present and present generation. When he dies, that bridge is lost, that wealth of knowledge and answers and that person who is best fit to take responsibility for things of the past that come up in the present is gone- so what will everyone else do about it? So much of his life and character and actions is only revealed and made known in the later books- even to his own family. His absence forces them to grow and change on their own, they can’t simply go to him and demand an explanation for his past actions or that he take responsibility for something he did that’s echoed into the present. How do you reconcile someone who at the same time was your anchor, your glue, your rock- and still is in a way, even if only as a memory- with someone who it turns out you didn’t fully know, someone who you keep learning was imperfect, who made mistakes- ones you are forced to clean up? How do you understand the deep humanness of a legend who held the weight of the world on his shoulders when he’s not there to be asked?

It’s something that all the Bennetts deal with and struggle with throughout the series, most recently in my memory of course being Carter, who despite knowing that of course his father loved him, didn’t truly know or understand how deeply he truly loved him. And I can see how he wouldn’t, imagine if your father were such an imposing and legendary figure, who told you how important you were to be, and how that might affect your perception of him and your perception of his perception of you, no matter how he tried to hammer it in that he loved you all no matter what. It’s easy to be told something over and over again and to understand it on a surface level, but to actually internalize it and know it is a whole ‘nother thing. And so that moment when Elizabeth read’s Thomas’ letter to Carter’s Future is made so much more poignant and meaningful, as for once Carter can see through all the history and pain and past choices and actions and consequences and responsibilities and expectations to see his father in his rawest form, a father who loves him so dearly and so powerfully that that love is stronger than any other thing that could complicate their relationship.

The theme of family and kin is central to the story of the Green Creek series, and Thomas is the middle and core of that theme- the conflict of the whole overarching plot is rooted in family and love and Thomas’ trust in those he considers kin, whom he loves and trusts despite who they may be. He considers Richard Collins kin, in a way, he’s his second and deeply wants to trust him. Family, love, and kinship are incredibly powerful things with incredibly powerful bonds, and these same things can also destroy us, and Thomas Bennett shows both sides of this blade, he trusted Richard and his father trusted Robert Livingstone, therefore he later mistrusts Gordo for fear that his father tampered with his tattoos, and thus causes the turmoil between Mark and Gordo, but one could argue that it comes from a place of love. Thomas Bennett is love- both sides of it, he is family and kinship in all its beauty and ugliness, in its mistakes and righteousness. Even in death he binds everything and everyone together.

[rhllorthered]

The Bennetts keeping Ox from his urge for self-sacrifice.

[evilpenguinrika]

So I finished re-reading Ravensong and read the bonus short story (since the version I read before did not have it) and then went to read the bonus short story in Heartsong (since I was able to buy the last copy from the bookstore I bought it from) and--

KIDS!?

CHILDREN!?

NEXT GENERATION!?

OH MY GOODNESS GRACIOUS I WANT TO READ MORE ABOUT THE KIDDOS.

But i have to be patient for the special edition Brothersong to be released up here but oh my goodness gracious I'm invested. I'm so invested. I'm a sucker for next-gen stuff.

[mybelladonicbeauty]

Reading ravensong by Tj Klune and had a thought spoilers below

When Thomas tells Gordo the pack minus Gordo is leaving it reminded me of the line "with tears in my eyes I begged you to stay, you said hey man I love you but no f*cking way" from the song twin sized mattress by the front bottoms.

[writtenbylupin]

*WOLFSONG BOOKS SPOILER*

ok, so I started reading "Wolfsong", I'm in the middle of "Ravensong", and it is nice, I'm enjoying it so far.

but I can't be the only one that was shocked when the book tells you that Joe would be Ox's romantic partner. Like, I figured it out with Ox, when he found out, I found out.

Since they met when Joe was 10, I read the entire book without thinking of them as anything but a beautiful friendship, I know 5 years isn't that much of an age gap, BUT IT IS WHEN HE'S 15 AND YOU'RE 20.

I'm not saying they're problematic or anything because they never really got toguether before both of them where in their majority. I'm saying that I never got to think of them as romantic, until I was over 50% of the book.

It was unexpected, and I want to know if it was a common sense or I'm the only one freaking out about this.

[rhllorthered]

Ok, Ravensong and Heartsong spoilers but Jesus, just.

.

Fuck Robert Livingstone. He drove his wife insane and blamed everyone else for the mess it caused. Like Thomas made so many bad calls but he was always invested in cultivating the potential of those he loved. Robert just used people to build his own ego. He screwed with Catherine's head and she poisoned Gordo against the wolves. THEN he decides he's "grown fond" of Robbie, but is doing the exact same shit. What a sociopathic piece of shit .

[mollyolikeme]

Thinking about the conversation in Ravensong between Gordo and Team Human when they’re at The Lighthouse and tryna get him laid and one of the cons for Carter was that he’d only slept with women and he probably shouldnt start with someone like Gordo…

Jump to Brothersong and Carter’s first (and only) man he sleeps with is Gordo’s ‘similar brand of mean’ brother Gavin

Literally one of the funniest long term payoffs for a joke which I’m not sure was even TJ’s intention but it has me fucking CACKLING

[jenyifer]

Book List Time!!!

And with that I have 10 give or take books to discuss. Now I’m up to over 30 books since May woooo telling tumblr about each one has been a great motivator so I hope my reviews and list help people out in a non spoiler fun way. Gonna rank these in order I want to reread them.

1. Green Creek the series by TJ Klune 🏳️‍🌈🐺🌶️🌲 Wolfsong Ravensong Heartsong Brothersong I am obsessed. Literally read all four books in 3 days. I have bought physical copies and marked them up. Will make you cry, laugh, and stay in your heart forever. Just……. Go read it. But the quick synopsis is Powerful Humans Wolves Witches have to pay for the sins of their fathers over and over again while maintaining their found family and finding their true soulmates. There is Ace Lesbian non binary rep in here as well.

2. The Warden by Daniel Ford🏳️‍🌈 👩‍❤️‍💋‍👩🧙‍♀️❄️🪦truly a fantasy masterpiece the romance isn’t the focus but it’s fucking good. First sapphic book to get a 10/10 for me. About a witch(with a magic system that is interesting surprising) growing up and finding herself a family without sacrificing who she is. I loved her and at first you think ehhh is this going to be boring no definitely not. Was surprising made me laugh and cry. Can’t wait for part 2 cause more of the hot gf in there I hope.

3. A Taste of Gold and Iron by Alexandra Rowland🏳️‍🌈👑⚔️🌶️🌶️ I listened to this book two times in a row I enjoyed it so much. It’s a bodyguard and prince story. The prince’s depiction of depression anxiety panic attacks was so real. The bodyguard is very endearing. The themes of family are strong and interesting. The mystery was easy to solve but I found it rewarding because I wanted the prince to win so badly haha.

4. Spindle Splintered by Alix E Harrow🏳️‍🌈👩‍❤️‍💋‍👩👸🏼🥀😢

Short story about a dying girl who has a special interest in sleeping beauty. It does have a…. Debatably Sad ending. I did enjoy it for what it was trying to talk about. I lost a friend when she was too young. I’m glad I read it.

5. Scumbag Villains Self-Saving System series by Mo Xiang Tong Xiu 🏳️‍🌈🚩⚔️😈🕊️🤓🌶️? I’m putting it up this high because besides that scene in chapter 21 that slapped me in the brain I really enjoyed the series. Only Danmei I HAD TO GET THE REST OF THE SERIES IMMEDIATELY Hell I’ve even now written fan fic for the side ship. About a Nerd being put into his favorite love to hate stallion novel (story about a hero who fucks his way to success) but he’s in there as the abusive villain who the hero is destined to kill. The nerd has to save himself and unintentionally builds himself a harem featuring the most red flag the hero who so sololy motivated by the nerd. It’s great easy to read very fun. But 🌶️ scene in book 3 is a definite skip and delete from memory.

6. Case File Compendium Vol 1 by Rou Bao Bu Chi Rou 🏳️‍🌈? 😈🚩🩸🕵️🥼

I did just finish reading this so maybe I’m bias but I really did find it a book I couldn’t put down. I even brought it with me to work to read a chapter during my lunch breaks. Main characters are heavy in their homophobic lifestyles but they kiss and protect each other? True crime and mentally ill characters. MC is has a fatal mental illness that makes him unstable and MIL was his former private doctor. MC is trying to date MIL’s little sister. While getting up to shenanigans they stumble into a corrupt hospital and evil forces are maybe after them?! Idk its exciting fun to read but only if you like 🚩’s

7. The Disabled Tyrant’s Beloved Pet Fish Vol 1 by Xue Shan Fei Hu 🏳️‍🌈🐟👑🎨🖼️ I did genuinely laugh my ass off during reading this book. It was incredibly easy to read I think I finished it in 4 hours. Very cute. I love the inside and outside art. About a nonverbal Prince who has anger issues and his crush on the modern man who is trapped within an ugly little fish. Now yes the Prince is becomes actively in love with the fish. Lucky for us we are stuck in the man who is trapped as the fish’s pov and he is genuinely just trying to get back to his world by obeying the powers that be System’s prompts to go home. Fish is not trying to seduce the Prince or anything. It’s just funny I had a great time with vol 1 probably will read vol 2.

8. So Let Them Burn by Kamilah Cole 🏳️‍🌈👩‍❤️‍💋‍👩👩‍❤️‍💋‍👨🐉🏝️ while having dragons and diverse cast it ultimately falls short of expectations wishing for more depth and clarity. The asexual spectrum representation feels muddled and Jamaican inspired cultural elements are unexplored which is at odds with its rich backdrop that could have enhanced the story. The story’s mystery element lacked cohesion resulting in a frustrating bittersweet ending that suggests a sequel and left me unsatisfied. I won’t read the next book. Won’t suggest it.

9. Faithless Book2 by C L Clark 🏳️‍🌈🚩👩‍❤️‍💋‍👩⚔️👑😩 a big let down from book 1 but I’m locked in for life I guess. Luca is back in France navigating a way to get the crown. While Touraine shows up with a priest and Teen to some how get food for her people. Most of the plot feels useless both MC characters are stupid and do no growing. The new teen character was interesting. I disliked the poly romance I didn’t particularly feel comfortable about Touraine and Luca why not add another person in what could go wrong? Luca’s reign as Queen looks to be very bad and you will feel extremely disappointed at the end. I’m going to read the next book but only because I like the characters who didn’t go to France.

10. Self-Made Boys by Anna-Marie McLemore.

I read 90% of this book and I regret it. It’s a trans characters as the leads gay retelling of the great gatsby. I was truly excited to read it I’ve read The Great Gatsby many times. However this book just laughs at the source material. I’m tempted to say maybe the Chat GPT’d the plot and didn’t ask for any over arching themes in the book. I couldn’t do it I’m gonna have to find a better trans representation book in my next set of ten.

DNF’s

Last Night at the Telegraph Club, The Once and Future witches, Gearbreakers, the emperor and the endless palace.

[adventureshroud]

So what if the covers of the green creek series mean something. Obviously they do but the colors they resemble the mood of the book.

Just saying there are spoilers.

Wolfsongs cover is green and blue. Sadness and Relive. Sadness because of Joes trauma and Thomas death and their disappearance FOR THREE WHOLE YEARS. Relive when they return and Ox survives and everything.

And we have one wolf, MAYBEE joes stone wolf, it resembles Joe i guess coz for most of the book Ox is human and only get turned in the end and doesn’t have a stone wolf or is a wolf at all.

The cover of Ravensong is Red, mostly.

Red stand for anger. Gordos anger towards The Bennetts and Mark and Basically everyone. Brown wolf is, who would have guessed, Mark. Geordo is a witch obviously and doesn’t have a stone Wolfe

Heartsongs cover is green. Relive, that Robbie is back and in the end that he gets his memories back and That Kelly turn into a wolf again. Two wolfs coz of Kelly and Robbie, two stonewolfs, two shifters. Self explaining.

Brothersong. Purple and blue-ish. Omega purple as a reference to Carter being an Omega in Ravensong and Heartsong ? And pretty sure one to Gavin, coz of him being close to being feral and so long in his wolf form. Two Wolfs on the cover. Carter and Gavin, Two stone wolfs ? Cant say much to the blue-ish imma be honest. Of course Gavin’s leave in the end of Heartsong and therir reunion probably isn’t without sadness. I WILL READ IT.

I Have no clue if this makes any sense at all. But for me it does Lmao.

[anexistingexistence]

Yk with "do you wanna be a vampire" being a question Darlin' actually has to consider now, I feel like I should put my mustard on this conversation and also advertise a book I like because I have no shame. (Spoiler warning for the Green Creek series by Tj Klune from here on out)

In the Green Creek series (I forgot whether this happened in the first or the second book and am too lazy to check (and even if I wasn't I'd just end up getting distracted by Gordo and Mark's sexual tension and nobody wants a Gordo/Mark post from me)) after Ox tells the guys from the garage about werewolves and magic and all that shit and makes them his pack, the question of turning them into wolves at some point arises. Jessie and Chris state outright that they never want to be turned, which is fair, and Tanner talks a lot with Elizabeth to learn all he can about being a werewolf before making a choice. The way the topic is concluded for the first two books is that Rico and Tanner ask to be turned if their life is at stake while Jessie and Chris want to remain human. And I think Darlin' would take a very similar approach to their potential vampire turning as Tanner has in Wolfsong/Ravensong. Their first instinct might be "fuck that - absolutely not" but I think apart from just heeding Sam's advice and spending a lot of time with the pack and their (inner) wolf, they'd also consult with Vincent/Lovely, Bright/Fred, and other vampires they might know in regards to all there is to know about being a vampire. In the end, I think their decision might come down to the same one Rico made in Wolfsong/Ravensong, which is that if they're going to die, they want to be turned. However, vampires in the Redactedverse work the way (I assume) most vampire depictions do, which is they stop aging rather than continuing to or reverting to their "prime" age the way vampires in some stories do. So if Darlin' were to die at say 86 years old because they can't see anymore and fell down the stairs and Sam turned them, then that following vampire life probably wouldn't be a fun one (or maybe it would be. I've never met (/read) a vampire whose body was old and wrinkly before so how would I know). Therefore, I'd say that Darlin' might agree to be turned in a life or death situation, but only as long as they're still of an age they can see themself living as until (potentially) the end of time, e.g., they might agree to Sam turning them until they're forty, but afterward they'd like it if he just let them die.

End of rant, hope this was comprehensive.