#radfem logic

[witchytakes]

"well a cis man can just pretend he's a trans man and be considered female for TERF's and get access then, TERF's don't know about that" Yeah they fucking know, it's not something like the "we can always tell" if you think this is some kinda of gotcha it's not

This gives even more ammo for TERF's to keep their radfem belief that men are rapists by nature, yeah this also hits anyone born with a penis, not only cis men

generally speaking a lot of people wrongly take TERFs and other transphobes at face value when assembling their awesome rhetorical gotchas in a way that makes them seem like gullible suckers

[ray-moo]

Hot take, most radfems don't actually want to abolish the patriarchy, they just want a patriarchy which acts against it's own interests to cater to women. They want women in positions of privilege, not power. This is phenomenally dumb not because of the ultimate goals, which are theoretically desirable for women if you could actually accomplish them, but because the methods of radical feminism will never accomplish them. Radfems are the prime example of how politically neutered women are in how they mistake their idealistic non-violence as an expression of the virtue of femininity and not just women being deprived of the will to take responsibility and ownership of their lives under the state in western society.

The smartest Radfems realize that radical feminism is more of a survival guide for women to live under the patriarchy than any real solution to the systemic problems patriarchy presents. But at that point it's not radical, it's just common sense of 'if you don't want to deal with men, don't deal with them', which doesn't really need an ideology to justify or explain.

Tell me if I'm wrong.

[tofanahisjava]

The shit I see on TikTok is insane and this is even all that bad compared to what's out there. Like he really thinks hes making a point. He really thinks this proves that he experiences womanhood as much as any of us. I love how everyone of his examples can be categorized into either fetishizing femininity both the performative physical aspects or the servitude subjugation aspect, Or just straight up fetishizing and romanticizing male violence against women and the more directly violent aspect a female oppression. And he doesn't seem to be able to grasp that he is taking his stance of womanhood from a male perspective, Or that he only is experiencing misdirected misogyny and misdirected homophobia because of the way he chooses to live his life a privilege that actual women don't have. Anyways, I'd love to hear your guyn's take on this video. I'm gonna post more this guy's stuff on here because it seems like hes all over tik tok and is gaining a lot of popularity.

[vexingwoman]

is it just me, or does it seem like 99% of the most famous trans influencers are white males? add Blaire White and Caitlyn Jenner in there as well. seriously, I can’t think of a single TIF with even half the popularity that any of these males have. I sure wonder why.

[bighominiglo]

Men, the "logical" gender: *pressure women to have sex, refuse to use condoms, pressure women into relationships, lie about pulling out, take no responsibility for their sperm, rape women, lie about wanting commitment and to help raise children, jerk off to violent porn for hours, see women as incubators and walking vaginas, abandon their families*

also men: "women are ALLERGIC to accountability!!!1! if you don't want to have your life cease to be about yourself and waiver all bodily autonomy forever and possibly DIE, then just don't have sex, ever! sex is a pro-creative act fundamentally and you're so dumb to ever have sex without accepting those consequences!"

[gendiebrainrotreceipts]

Telling trans people that they need to fear for their lives because idk Harry Potter is still very popular is disgusting tbh. You’re making people feel unsafe when they have no reason so. You’re making people paranoid for their safety and irrationally hateful towards innocuous things and people. Trans ideology is unconscionable and harmful

[ray-moo]

You must be an anti-coherent logic feminist as well because the problems of the porn industry you cite have nothing to do with your argument regarding whether watching porn programs men to be rapists.

I think porn is driving rapes and assault. I read a stat about sexual assault prevelance amount different generations of women, and older women had a lower instance of sexual violence. And maybe they’re less likely to report it, but I think it’s accurate. Every woman I know my age has dealt with sexual violence to some extent but I remember my boomer mother thinking it was rare and that she never experienced it. And as time went on and I experienced more male violence, I became more confused how she was able to dodge violence for years. But now, I think the proportion of sexual violence has simply risen. I think men/boys having porn in their pockets 24/7 has made their aggression and violence worse. The boys I knew in school would share such graphic images with each other in class that would’ve been unattainable before. But now with just a working cell phone, they can access a library of gore and violence in an instant.

[equinoxknight]

I found it.

The most unhinged Reddit comment.

[siryouarebeingmocked]

Last time I checked, murder-suicides made up an overwhelming minority of murders or suicides, so OP is pretty clearly cherry-picking evidence to "prove" what she already believed.

Also, I how committing a murder-suicide apparently means the “suicide” part doesn’t matter.

And like I said the last time, most murders are men killing other men.

[paperlunamoth]

The fully sane to fully insane TRA progression:

"I'm a man, but I don't feel comfortable actively conforming to traditionally masculine gender roles."

Nothing wrong with that! Gender is bullshit anyways.

"I'm a man, but I feel more comfortable actively conforming to traditionally feminine gender roles."

Cool. You do you.

"I'm a man, but I have a mental disorder that makes me deeply uncomfortable with being male. In addition to presenting and acting in a traditionally feminine manner, I would like to be recognized socially as a woman and addressed as 'she/her' in order to more easily manage the distress that results from my condition."

Okay. That's fine I guess.

"I'm a woman who was incorrectly identified as male at birth. I am not meaningfully distinct from biological women and therefore am entitled to exist in single sex, female only spaces, and to speak on behalf of women as a group. Women as a class should change the language they use to discuss their bodies and their oppression in order to make me more comfortable even though many of such discussions necessarily do not involve me. Women are to blame if I am the victim of male violence, especially women who are concerned about the issue of male violence. If I don't have access to a lifetime supply of medically unnecessary hormones and receive multiple invasive cosmetic surgeries in order to make my body appear more female, I will become suicidal, but also I am not mentally ill. Calling my condition, which causes me daily psychological distress, a mental illness is hate speech."

Um...

"What even is a woman, anyways? I know I'm a woman, because I identify as a woman, and that's what it means to be female. Gender isn't real and doesn't exist. But also transgender identities are real and valid and trans women are discriminated against because their gender is female. Sex is an arbitrary nonbinary social construct just like gender, also sex has nothing to do with gender. But also I would like my penis to become a vagina in order to alleviate my gender dysphoria. Sex based oppression isn't real, only gender based oppression is, and it is a totally random coincidence that the concept of gender happens to benefit the penis people at the expense of the vagina people 99% of the time. The existence of intersex birth defects demonstrates that humans are not a gonochoric species. No one is born male or female. A clitoris is just a very tiny penis, and a penis is just the outie version of a vagina, and sex organs don't determine whether someone is male or female. I still really want a vagina specifically though because I am female and females have vaginas. Homosexuality has nothing to do with sex and being exclusively same sex attracted is morally wrong. I think minors should be allowed to take cross sex hormones and receive cosmetic surgery but also no one is saying that shut up stop lying. I don't have a mental illness, that would be bad and gross, I'm perfectly normal and dysphoria is perfectly healthy, and you must literally want me to die if you think otherwise, how dare you be so hateful towards mentally ill people. Not giving in to my every demand and actively catering to my desires is literally partipating in genocide. Choke on my cock and die you misogynist!"

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[bookofmac]

DEADLOCH SPOILERS

It's so interesting that #FeministAlly Serial Killer Ray is like 'Eddie we can get married and have a kid! We can watch Buffy on the couch together' as if a) that is ANYTHING that Eddie would want if he actually knew her rather than idealisng her and b) That Marriage was the end game for him

Like all his grandstanding about being an ally and such a good guy is undercut by him wanting credit, but also by him STILL buying into to this Essentialist view of men and women: men are always the agressors and women are always the victims, there is no repentance for the men, it is innate and unable to be change.

His paternalistic idea that women can't get out of bad situations by themselves, seen with his shock that Abby DID break up with James on her own. That his happy ending is a wife, kids, and a dog as if that tight nuclear family environment is not partially causal to IPV due to the closed off nature of our lives under the capitalist imperial system in so called australia, as Sharelle says 'All that civility and no Actualy community amoungst you Cunts' Ray was killing Sex Workers because they were 'undeseriable', and he seemed to to see what he did to them as Bad, because Eddie pointing out that murder is murder is what shakes him

It's RadFem logic, and it's facinating to see it in the show

[ray-moo]

Im sorry but if you're insulting men's special interests 'for feminism' and 'to get back at men for insulting women's special interests', no one's going to interpret it that way.

All anyone, man or woman, is going to see is a rude and spiteful woman who unloaded on some guy for no reason.

[tofanahisjava]

i would like to take this oppertunity to apologize in advance for the assult upon your eyes and soul that i am about to commit.

This made my jaw drop

What happened to missgendering being literal violence and unexcusable?

And also like wtf???

[vexingwoman]

to be honest, i highly doubt TRAs actually believe half the shit they say. i doubt they actually believe that sex is assigned at birth. i doubt they actually believe it's fair for males to compete against females in sports. i doubt they actually believe the term 'adult human female' reduces women to vaginas. i doubt they actually believe male rapists belong in female prisons, etc.

i'm sure they want these things to be true, but deep down they must secretly know it's counter to science and reason, right? because i can't imagine that anyone could be that detached from reality. maybe i'm just being optimistic.

[left-the-room]

One of the ways gender identity defenders paint gc feminists as fascist is calling our pointing out male violence "fearmongering" and comparing it to the way conservatives talk about gay people and poc. So "male crime statistics" is taken as a call for police violence against minorities. And calling out male pedophiles is taken as "the perverted gays" rhetoric. In this framing, women are "the oppressive class", "white woman legitimizing racial violence", "straight woman hating gay and gnc people", or more complexly, being misguided/not fully aware of injustices in our activism and ending up reinforcing other structures of power - this is somewhat in the vein of "white feminism" accusations. There might be a level of acknowledgement of a fight against oppression, with the critique of that movement reproducing other forms of oppression.

Comparing us to conservatives is the leftist way of delegitimizing women's fight. If we talk about prostitution we're framed as privileged rich women who hate the working class. If we talk about kink as violence, we're Christian prudes. If we criticize beauty culture, we're racist bc racist feminists also criticized beauty culture.

And once we're The Oppressor, misogyny is fair game.

[swagging-back-to]

so i saw a diagram of breasts and saw most of it was adipose tissue, so i google it and found out breasts are basically entirely just blobs of fat. which lead me to find this reddit post bc i needed to know other people genuinely loathed the idea of engorged/fatty breasts. makes sense it's another detrans woman.