#radfem logic

[witchytakes]

You hate trans healthcare doctors because they give HRT to trans people

I hate trans heathcare doctors because they gatekeep HRT access and also give bad dosage when they finally give HRT

We are not the same

[witchytakes]

arguing with TERFs is really a pigeon chess, no matter how sources you bring, how much studies you bring, they are always going to evade and call yourself a TRA or a porn-sick fetishist and claim that they won

[ray-moo]

Hot take, most radfems don't actually want to abolish the patriarchy, they just want a patriarchy which acts against it's own interests to cater to women. They want women in positions of privilege, not power. This is phenomenally dumb not because of the ultimate goals, which are theoretically desirable for women if you could actually accomplish them, but because the methods of radical feminism will never accomplish them. Radfems are the prime example of how politically neutered women are in how they mistake their idealistic non-violence as an expression of the virtue of femininity and not just women being deprived of the will to take responsibility and ownership of their lives under the state in western society.

The smartest Radfems realize that radical feminism is more of a survival guide for women to live under the patriarchy than any real solution to the systemic problems patriarchy presents. But at that point it's not radical, it's just common sense of 'if you don't want to deal with men, don't deal with them', which doesn't really need an ideology to justify or explain.

Tell me if I'm wrong.

[witchytakes]

"trans is a fetish"

Is just a terfy way to say "it's just a phase"

[witchytakes]

"well a cis man can just pretend he's a trans man and be considered female for TERF's and get access then, TERF's don't know about that" Yeah they fucking know, it's not something like the "we can always tell" if you think this is some kinda of gotcha it's not

This gives even more ammo for TERF's to keep their radfem belief that men are rapists by nature, yeah this also hits anyone born with a penis, not only cis men

generally speaking a lot of people wrongly take TERFs and other transphobes at face value when assembling their awesome rhetorical gotchas in a way that makes them seem like gullible suckers

[ray-moo]

Im sorry but if you're insulting men's special interests 'for feminism' and 'to get back at men for insulting women's special interests', no one's going to interpret it that way.

All anyone, man or woman, is going to see is a rude and spiteful woman who unloaded on some guy for no reason.

[siryouarebeingmocked]

SYABM comic 71 “Fist of Demands”.

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>All of this< >has happened before< >and will< >happen again<.* Archive, archive, archive, archive.

If you look at the first link, some Redditor dismisses women who disagree as "tokens".

Which, um, seems a bit misogynist.

Not the first time I've seen someone call people "tokens" as an excuse to ignore women or minorities who disagree with them.

I couldn't find the comment I saw (maybe it was another thread, or got deleted), but I did see multiple people who compared a man beating up a woman who attacks him to a man beating up a child.

Which is also sexist.

*And again.

[tofanahisjava]

The shit I see on TikTok is insane and this is even all that bad compared to what's out there. Like he really thinks hes making a point. He really thinks this proves that he experiences womanhood as much as any of us. I love how everyone of his examples can be categorized into either fetishizing femininity both the performative physical aspects or the servitude subjugation aspect, Or just straight up fetishizing and romanticizing male violence against women and the more directly violent aspect a female oppression. And he doesn't seem to be able to grasp that he is taking his stance of womanhood from a male perspective, Or that he only is experiencing misdirected misogyny and misdirected homophobia because of the way he chooses to live his life a privilege that actual women don't have. Anyways, I'd love to hear your guyn's take on this video. I'm gonna post more this guy's stuff on here because it seems like hes all over tik tok and is gaining a lot of popularity.

[bighominiglo]

Men, the "logical" gender: *pressure women to have sex, refuse to use condoms, pressure women into relationships, lie about pulling out, take no responsibility for their sperm, rape women, lie about wanting commitment and to help raise children, jerk off to violent porn for hours, see women as incubators and walking vaginas, abandon their families*

also men: "women are ALLERGIC to accountability!!!1! if you don't want to have your life cease to be about yourself and waiver all bodily autonomy forever and possibly DIE, then just don't have sex, ever! sex is a pro-creative act fundamentally and you're so dumb to ever have sex without accepting those consequences!"

[odiabonecessario]

I like the idea of feminism, I really like it in its essence. Having said that, sometimes I really don't know if the people behind it are doing it in bad faith or something else

I never liked the "Teach Men Not To Rape" idea because its title makes look like all men are inherently rapists and Its actual content is good and a must-have since it explains about clear consent both of men and women's perspective since it's common that women only realize and understand later she was raped

As much as I like its main goal, didn't it have any other title suggestions? And even if hypothetically there was no other title, why is it especially targeting only men if it's about consent? It has the potential to make women fully understand the depths of what counts as rape and even making sure men understand it too but it just seems like it was made to repel men rather than attract

Along with that, I also don't like the way feminism makes it seem like all men are secretly rapists due to the high statistics of raped and/or sexually harassed women and as much as there is merit in it at first glance I can't help but wonder how a movement focused on equality didn't stop to gather and match other statistics

If you pay attention to the kind of men that are rapists either from statistics or asking victims you'll see it's usually someone who has some sort of social power over them or are socially seen as a good person to the point even some of the victims give up keeping with the rape accusation due to the fear of people not believing them or the process not having any results due to people's rejection. Statistics also point out about most rapists having a count of victims that usually goes from two to six and most rape cases aren't even reported. It all matches like pieces of a puzzle, yet I never saw any feminist bringing any of it

On a similar note, the explanation behind the "all men are potential rapists" allegation feels like the same way bigots people talk about minorities by saying all men are like wild animals at their nature. Homophobics think all gays are inherently feminine and "sissies" because it's their nature and transphobics will point their finger whenever a trans men is doing something remotely seen as feminine even if it doesn't have any sort of actual correlation because they think they're women at their deep

I really like feminism's concept and I congratulate it for its achievements in women's rights, I just don't think it's currently with good faith or well educated people

[witchytakes]

That didn't nulify the oppresion trans women face What about trans women who are stealth about being trans and pass well as a cis woman, she would face some kind of misogny even if she wasn't perceived as trans

We can point out how the reproductive and genital oppresion comes to cis women and trans men in plenty of country but we can't ignore about the trans women facing violence

they wouldn't face the same reproductive oppresion but would suffer the other ones, specially among those who are stealth about being trans, those who transitioned earlier and are also stealth, those who pass, those who are just living their own lives

"but they see that as a validation" if some of them feel more valid about that, this is a problem about their own fucking mind, they should seek a therapist, it's more made into trauma just like trans women can't relate to some oppresion cis women does, the same can said for trans women like cis women aren't constantly deadnamed (because they didn't have a deadname) and being treated as different and imposed as their assigned sex in home, and this is why it comes to the validation from misogny thing, when a rando treats her badly and she feels a little better for this, this says more about the context, like the whole trans experience that cis people would never face

when cis women are misgendered we didn't say shit like "hahaha this is laughable they don't know what is really a trans experience, you don't know how is to be misgendered and deadnamed you shouldn't call your violence misgendering because you're not trans" I don't see any trans people talking like that, they are mostly aware that some cis women are misgendered and affected by this, and they know that's something that commonly hits them, and have empathy for these misgendering cis women

Belittle a oppresion for another does nothing

"but it's sexism not misogny" I read also this argument and I should say something, saying that misgony should be related to biology is biological essentialist and we are social animals, misogny is social and a social problem, animals aren't misogynist to another, they didn't treat females of their own species based on anything rather than their own instincts Are we seriosly using this biologic essentialist view to a social problem? Social problems aren't related to biology? Where's the misogny gene males have? Where's the misogny instinct? There's nothing

Misogny is a social oppresion, and could be based on reproductive system and organs, but also on how society treats women, on the social level, you can't link misogny to only a biological oppresion because the origin for misogny didn't come from any gene or shit, it comes from society

Social

It's important to remind

Social, people, we are humans

As a woman from a muslim family with a waziri pashtun father that prohibited me from appearing on windows, going out on the garden and going to male doctors even when I was on the verge of dying, hearing that trans women experience misogyny and cultural/religious oppression always makes me laugh.

[witchytakes]

Honestly I wish we were at the trans utopia TERFs created about our reality, imagine you get gender affirming care easily as a minor, non passing trans people get easier access to spaces of their own gender, there's a whole billionare industry that helps us to transition, the government and all of the agencies support our existence, we are the least persecuted minory, our parents would prefer a trans kid over a gay kid and would help to transition, schools does something against our bullying and even protect ourselves against, that support our transition, spaces there's full of trans people, legally changing our genders with only self ID, all the countries supports us, even the ones where it's illegal to be trans (they even grow a trans athlete to win a gold medal), we are physically stronger

Even if they claim shit like we are predators in that reality, that didn't change so much about our reality, it's the same shit, but worse on everything, I wish our reality is that of TERFs think

[equinoxknight]

I found it.

The most unhinged Reddit comment.

[paperlunamoth]

The fully sane to fully insane TRA progression:

"I'm a man, but I don't feel comfortable actively conforming to traditionally masculine gender roles."

Nothing wrong with that! Gender is bullshit anyways.

"I'm a man, but I feel more comfortable actively conforming to traditionally feminine gender roles."

Cool. You do you.

"I'm a man, but I have a mental disorder that makes me deeply uncomfortable with being male. In addition to presenting and acting in a traditionally feminine manner, I would like to be recognized socially as a woman and addressed as 'she/her' in order to more easily manage the distress that results from my condition."

Okay. That's fine I guess.

"I'm a woman who was incorrectly identified as male at birth. I am not meaningfully distinct from biological women and therefore am entitled to exist in single sex, female only spaces, and to speak on behalf of women as a group. Women as a class should change the language they use to discuss their bodies and their oppression in order to make me more comfortable even though many of such discussions necessarily do not involve me. Women are to blame if I am the victim of male violence, especially women who are concerned about the issue of male violence. If I don't have access to a lifetime supply of medically unnecessary hormones and receive multiple invasive cosmetic surgeries in order to make my body appear more female, I will become suicidal, but also I am not mentally ill. Calling my condition, which causes me daily psychological distress, a mental illness is hate speech."

Um...

"What even is a woman, anyways? I know I'm a woman, because I identify as a woman, and that's what it means to be female. Gender isn't real and doesn't exist. But also transgender identities are real and valid and trans women are discriminated against because their gender is female. Sex is an arbitrary nonbinary social construct just like gender, also sex has nothing to do with gender. But also I would like my penis to become a vagina in order to alleviate my gender dysphoria. Sex based oppression isn't real, only gender based oppression is, and it is a totally random coincidence that the concept of gender happens to benefit the penis people at the expense of the vagina people 99% of the time. The existence of intersex birth defects demonstrates that humans are not a gonochoric species. No one is born male or female. A clitoris is just a very tiny penis, and a penis is just the outie version of a vagina, and sex organs don't determine whether someone is male or female. I still really want a vagina specifically though because I am female and females have vaginas. Homosexuality has nothing to do with sex and being exclusively same sex attracted is morally wrong. I think minors should be allowed to take cross sex hormones and receive cosmetic surgery but also no one is saying that shut up stop lying. I don't have a mental illness, that would be bad and gross, I'm perfectly normal and dysphoria is perfectly healthy, and you must literally want me to die if you think otherwise, how dare you be so hateful towards mentally ill people. Not giving in to my every demand and actively catering to my desires is literally partipating in genocide. Choke on my cock and die you misogynist!"

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[siryouarebeingmocked]

Last time I checked, murder-suicides made up an overwhelming minority of murders or suicides, so OP is pretty clearly cherry-picking evidence to "prove" what she already believed.

Also, I how committing a murder-suicide apparently means the “suicide” part doesn’t matter.

And like I said the last time, most murders are men killing other men.

[bookofmac]

DEADLOCH SPOILERS

It's so interesting that #FeministAlly Serial Killer Ray is like 'Eddie we can get married and have a kid! We can watch Buffy on the couch together' as if a) that is ANYTHING that Eddie would want if he actually knew her rather than idealisng her and b) That Marriage was the end game for him

Like all his grandstanding about being an ally and such a good guy is undercut by him wanting credit, but also by him STILL buying into to this Essentialist view of men and women: men are always the agressors and women are always the victims, there is no repentance for the men, it is innate and unable to be change.

His paternalistic idea that women can't get out of bad situations by themselves, seen with his shock that Abby DID break up with James on her own. That his happy ending is a wife, kids, and a dog as if that tight nuclear family environment is not partially causal to IPV due to the closed off nature of our lives under the capitalist imperial system in so called australia, as Sharelle says 'All that civility and no Actualy community amoungst you Cunts' Ray was killing Sex Workers because they were 'undeseriable', and he seemed to to see what he did to them as Bad, because Eddie pointing out that murder is murder is what shakes him

It's RadFem logic, and it's facinating to see it in the show