#radfem logic

[witchytakes]

You hate trans healthcare doctors because they give HRT to trans people

I hate trans heathcare doctors because they gatekeep HRT access and also give bad dosage when they finally give HRT

We are not the same

[ray-moo]

Hot take, most radfems don't actually want to abolish the patriarchy, they just want a patriarchy which acts against it's own interests to cater to women. They want women in positions of privilege, not power. This is phenomenally dumb not because of the ultimate goals, which are theoretically desirable for women if you could actually accomplish them, but because the methods of radical feminism will never accomplish them. Radfems are the prime example of how politically neutered women are in how they mistake their idealistic non-violence as an expression of the virtue of femininity and not just women being deprived of the will to take responsibility and ownership of their lives under the state in western society.

The smartest Radfems realize that radical feminism is more of a survival guide for women to live under the patriarchy than any real solution to the systemic problems patriarchy presents. But at that point it's not radical, it's just common sense of 'if you don't want to deal with men, don't deal with them', which doesn't really need an ideology to justify or explain.

Tell me if I'm wrong.

[siryouarebeingmocked]

SYABM comic 71 “Fist of Demands”.

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>All of this< >has happened before< >and will< >happen again<.* Archive, archive, archive, archive.

If you look at the first link, some Redditor dismisses women who disagree as "tokens".

Which, um, seems a bit misogynist.

Not the first time I've seen someone call people "tokens" as an excuse to ignore women or minorities who disagree with them.

I couldn't find the comment I saw (maybe it was another thread, or got deleted), but I did see multiple people who compared a man beating up a woman who attacks him to a man beating up a child.

Which is also sexist.

*And again.

[tofanahisjava]

The shit I see on TikTok is insane and this is even all that bad compared to what's out there. Like he really thinks hes making a point. He really thinks this proves that he experiences womanhood as much as any of us. I love how everyone of his examples can be categorized into either fetishizing femininity both the performative physical aspects or the servitude subjugation aspect, Or just straight up fetishizing and romanticizing male violence against women and the more directly violent aspect a female oppression. And he doesn't seem to be able to grasp that he is taking his stance of womanhood from a male perspective, Or that he only is experiencing misdirected misogyny and misdirected homophobia because of the way he chooses to live his life a privilege that actual women don't have. Anyways, I'd love to hear your guyn's take on this video. I'm gonna post more this guy's stuff on here because it seems like hes all over tik tok and is gaining a lot of popularity.

[witchytakes]

"well a cis man can just pretend he's a trans man and be considered female for TERF's and get access then, TERF's don't know about that" Yeah they fucking know, it's not something like the "we can always tell" if you think this is some kinda of gotcha it's not

This gives even more ammo for TERF's to keep their radfem belief that men are rapists by nature, yeah this also hits anyone born with a penis, not only cis men

generally speaking a lot of people wrongly take TERFs and other transphobes at face value when assembling their awesome rhetorical gotchas in a way that makes them seem like gullible suckers

[witchytakes]

"trans is a fetish"

Is just a terfy way to say "it's just a phase"

[opinionsstuff]

it's such a big tell that the only community that actually respects lesbians without:

- using slurs

- changing the definition of homosexuality

- pushing woke conversion therapy

- claiming any gnc lesbian must be a man

is the radfem community.

[bighominiglo]

Men, the "logical" gender: *pressure women to have sex, refuse to use condoms, pressure women into relationships, lie about pulling out, take no responsibility for their sperm, rape women, lie about wanting commitment and to help raise children, jerk off to violent porn for hours, see women as incubators and walking vaginas, abandon their families*

also men: "women are ALLERGIC to accountability!!!1! if you don't want to have your life cease to be about yourself and waiver all bodily autonomy forever and possibly DIE, then just don't have sex, ever! sex is a pro-creative act fundamentally and you're so dumb to ever have sex without accepting those consequences!"

[ray-moo]

Im sorry but if you're insulting men's special interests 'for feminism' and 'to get back at men for insulting women's special interests', no one's going to interpret it that way.

All anyone, man or woman, is going to see is a rude and spiteful woman who unloaded on some guy for no reason.

[odiabonecessario]

I like the idea of feminism, I really like it in its essence. Having said that, sometimes I really don't know if the people behind it are doing it in bad faith or something else

I never liked the "Teach Men Not To Rape" idea because its title makes look like all men are inherently rapists and Its actual content is good and a must-have since it explains about clear consent both of men and women's perspective since it's common that women only realize and understand later she was raped

As much as I like its main goal, didn't it have any other title suggestions? And even if hypothetically there was no other title, why is it especially targeting only men if it's about consent? It has the potential to make women fully understand the depths of what counts as rape and even making sure men understand it too but it just seems like it was made to repel men rather than attract

Along with that, I also don't like the way feminism makes it seem like all men are secretly rapists due to the high statistics of raped and/or sexually harassed women and as much as there is merit in it at first glance I can't help but wonder how a movement focused on equality didn't stop to gather and match other statistics

If you pay attention to the kind of men that are rapists either from statistics or asking victims you'll see it's usually someone who has some sort of social power over them or are socially seen as a good person to the point even some of the victims give up keeping with the rape accusation due to the fear of people not believing them or the process not having any results due to people's rejection. Statistics also point out about most rapists having a count of victims that usually goes from two to six and most rape cases aren't even reported. It all matches like pieces of a puzzle, yet I never saw any feminist bringing any of it

On a similar note, the explanation behind the "all men are potential rapists" allegation feels like the same way bigots people talk about minorities by saying all men are like wild animals at their nature. Homophobics think all gays are inherently feminine and "sissies" because it's their nature and transphobics will point their finger whenever a trans men is doing something remotely seen as feminine even if it doesn't have any sort of actual correlation because they think they're women at their deep

I really like feminism's concept and I congratulate it for its achievements in women's rights, I just don't think it's currently with good faith or well educated people

[equinoxknight]

I found it.

The most unhinged Reddit comment.

[paperlunamoth]

The fully sane to fully insane TRA progression:

"I'm a man, but I don't feel comfortable actively conforming to traditionally masculine gender roles."

Nothing wrong with that! Gender is bullshit anyways.

"I'm a man, but I feel more comfortable actively conforming to traditionally feminine gender roles."

Cool. You do you.

"I'm a man, but I have a mental disorder that makes me deeply uncomfortable with being male. In addition to presenting and acting in a traditionally feminine manner, I would like to be recognized socially as a woman and addressed as 'she/her' in order to more easily manage the distress that results from my condition."

Okay. That's fine I guess.

"I'm a woman who was incorrectly identified as male at birth. I am not meaningfully distinct from biological women and therefore am entitled to exist in single sex, female only spaces, and to speak on behalf of women as a group. Women as a class should change the language they use to discuss their bodies and their oppression in order to make me more comfortable even though many of such discussions necessarily do not involve me. Women are to blame if I am the victim of male violence, especially women who are concerned about the issue of male violence. If I don't have access to a lifetime supply of medically unnecessary hormones and receive multiple invasive cosmetic surgeries in order to make my body appear more female, I will become suicidal, but also I am not mentally ill. Calling my condition, which causes me daily psychological distress, a mental illness is hate speech."

Um...

"What even is a woman, anyways? I know I'm a woman, because I identify as a woman, and that's what it means to be female. Gender isn't real and doesn't exist. But also transgender identities are real and valid and trans women are discriminated against because their gender is female. Sex is an arbitrary nonbinary social construct just like gender, also sex has nothing to do with gender. But also I would like my penis to become a vagina in order to alleviate my gender dysphoria. Sex based oppression isn't real, only gender based oppression is, and it is a totally random coincidence that the concept of gender happens to benefit the penis people at the expense of the vagina people 99% of the time. The existence of intersex birth defects demonstrates that humans are not a gonochoric species. No one is born male or female. A clitoris is just a very tiny penis, and a penis is just the outie version of a vagina, and sex organs don't determine whether someone is male or female. I still really want a vagina specifically though because I am female and females have vaginas. Homosexuality has nothing to do with sex and being exclusively same sex attracted is morally wrong. I think minors should be allowed to take cross sex hormones and receive cosmetic surgery but also no one is saying that shut up stop lying. I don't have a mental illness, that would be bad and gross, I'm perfectly normal and dysphoria is perfectly healthy, and you must literally want me to die if you think otherwise, how dare you be so hateful towards mentally ill people. Not giving in to my every demand and actively catering to my desires is literally partipating in genocide. Choke on my cock and die you misogynist!"

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[siryouarebeingmocked]

Last time I checked, murder-suicides made up an overwhelming minority of murders or suicides, so OP is pretty clearly cherry-picking evidence to "prove" what she already believed.

Also, I how committing a murder-suicide apparently means the “suicide” part doesn’t matter.

And like I said the last time, most murders are men killing other men.

[witchytakes]

When did radfems become like this?

not only this is bioessentialist bullshit, but like this is the same shit right wing men believe (hard times create weak men type of shit), the type of thing old right wing men like to think

btw about "The faggot crossdressing bullshit", aren't you guys against homophobia? using a very homophobic term, this is what I can see that they are mostly het white women

Did these guys knows that battlefields aren't a neutral camp where men die and sometimes this goes to cities too? that they can kill innocent people there? that there's civilians? out of these there are women, children, old, disabled, ill people?

I'm not even gonna enter about the whole psychological problems a military life can get

Men were made for the military.

Men should be automatically placed in the military after high school and serve a mandated four years minimum. Males are made for battle. They are designed for submission and to take orders. Men are more compliant and obedient workers. It’s also epigenetic as they’ve done it for centuries. Women are trained to be submissive, for males, it’s natural.

Males are more disposable. Males can impregnate 1000+ women a year. A woman can only carry out maybe 20 pregnancies in her entire life time. And she is risking her life every time.

So what is the trade off? Men go to war. They risk their lives using the natural strength they’ve been given to protect and defend their communities.

We’re having a “male loneliness epidemic” because all these young men are sitting at home on their computer, playing war simulation games, yet not reaping the benefits of the socialization and structure that the military provides. It has nothing to do with women, but everything to do with men lacking intimacy from other men.

Men should be in the military. And forced. As long as women are forced into birth, men should be forced into battle. It’s what they were made for, they yearn for the battlefields.

[tofanahisjava]

i would like to take this oppertunity to apologize in advance for the assult upon your eyes and soul that i am about to commit.

This made my jaw drop

What happened to missgendering being literal violence and unexcusable?

And also like wtf???

[witchytakes]

I've seen some radfems or terfs complaining that they were dehumanized by being kicked out of fandoms

but like, what they expect? Fandoms are mostly gay trans furry shit, specially if the said fandom has a main gay ship, there's trans people in the fandom, there's gay people who didn't agree on TERF talking points in the fandom It's just like any fandom who uses to kick some annoying cishet dudes (which some fandoms even have a place where they can interact together lol)

If you have plenty of prejudice towards a group of people that tends to do some of the creative stuff in the fandom, they wouldn't respond well