#quite literally letting the queerbaiting happen

[gonedreaminggg]

I'm rewatching mystreet love love paradise and OH MY GOD IM LOSING MY MIND

If I'm gonna let anyone or anything profit off of homophobia and queerbaiting it would be love love paradise

[moonmoonloves]

Kinda confused at Sterek hate. Like, I’ve just been sitting happily in my little corner that I’ve curated for myself with lovely people that love all the ways they can fall in love. But a lot people really think we’re gross?

I thought Hoechlin said the age gap between them was originally supposed to be three years so that he would have been a senior when they were freshmen and that’s how they would’ve known him, but then JD decided to have Kate rape him so he had to age him up?

A lot of the haters try to pretend that Sterek shippers weren’t purposefully queerbaited, like that “we’re on a ship” moment didn’t happen. Also, they don’t seem to understand time progressing? In ALL of the Sterek fic I read their relationship is consensual and Stiles is above the legal age of consent. Stiles is in college, or back from college, or they’re just grown adults living their lives. I love a good slow burn, like years in the making: from enemies to begrudging allies to begrudging respect to friends to lovers. My favorites are Derek gets therapy. I would say the driving force behind me even getting into teen wolf fic was Derek Hale Deserves Nice Things, because holy shit JD hates him (which can be further proven by the recent movie, not that we were ever in any doubt).

Let’s also not forget that canon doesn’t have to matter in fic. We can pick and choose. You can age them up, down, make them the same age, there can be time travel, time skips, au’s where you can change literally anything.

Shipping them for me boils down to the chemistry between the actors playing them. The ship wouldn’t exist without it. If Hoechlin had been cast as Scott for some reason, I’m quite sure we would have been Sciles shippers. And the fact of the matter is the actors playing them were 19 and 23. Their chemistry on and off screen is what fueled their ship despite the fact that that may not have been the intention of the show, the writers, or even the actors themselves. I started watching Teen Wolf thinking Sterek would eventually be canon just from gifs of them together because that’s how strong their chemistry was.

I have read so much great Sterek fic, some of it was better written than books I’ve read, and it was given for FREE. I think that’s amazing and I just don’t get the hate lol.

[eddiediazismyhusband]

I think part of the problem I have (and this may be an unpopular opinion) is all the hopes and opinions and ideas people (fans) have about the new season. And I don’t just mean things like the “mustache = obvious gay Eddie” that’s happening. But thoughts on Bobby, his and Athena’s living situation, Gerrard as captain, let alone Buck, Eddie, and others.

I know a lot of spec is just for fun, but some people take it quite serious. And I know I’m newer to this fandom but sometimes I read serious takes and go “….but that would never actually happen?! I know many of us don’t trust Tim and the writers but realistically that would never be a storyline on a tv show.…that’s a fanfic.”

So I can’t blame you for your pessimism or want to avoid spec. I hope we don’t get a lot of bts stuff either too, because I feel like fans will be trying to (over)analyze everything to figure things out. Only to likely be disappointed because I don’t trust these writers to write/do anything half as creative, original or logical as fans come up with. Expectation is the enemy and I’m afraid a lot of fans have theirs set too high for this season already

anon i have disgraced you by leaving this burried in the inbox and i feel awful 😭😭

i think fandom in general (and i mean any fandom not just 9-1-1) have this tendency to blur the line between cautious optimism/spec and actually convincing themselves of something happening…

i think a lot of people (and if you are one of these people this is NOT a dig at you) still want to have faith that the writers are actually going somewhere with the story, and they do so by speculating and putting actual thought into what the overarching storyline could be but unfortunately after 6 seasons of waiting, i’m getting tired of the whole thing being dragged out.

it’s no longer a will they/won’t they between the characters for me because multiple times they’ve reached the point where they don’t need anymore of that build; the only will they/won’t they is in terms of the writing team actually going somewhere rather than continuing to bait us

i have no issue with spec/theorizing (i may not wanna see it but i just filter out the spec tags) but my issue lies with some of the more popular buddie blogs having this whole “i can sense that buddie is happening” and then treating people who are validly apprehensive towards getting our hopes up like we’re brainless idiots who don’t know what we’re talking about

even though we literally went through the same thing of buddieblr being like “s7 is our year i can FEEL it there is no way they aren’t going canon”….. just for them to not go canon bc the writers (yet again) changed their minds last minute when they got an early renewal and realized “oh- we don’t actually have to commit anymore, we can just keep baiting snd dragging them along— and they technically can’t call it queerbaiting anymore bc buck’s bi now!”

like everything surrounding this season has been screaming to me (NOT anything from oliver and ryan— ive spoken before about how i think they are where we’re at in terms of being strung along by the writers every season) that we are just being baited again.

and as far as the over-analyzing, i’ve seen so many people saying things like “omg oliver and ryan posting candids/photos and tagging each other buddie is obviously happening”……. as if oliver and ryan aren’t friends…. like i fear the two of them posting eacg other doesn’t really mean much if anything when they’ve done that throughout their friendship.

and just because there are some deranged people on the internet spewing hate about them being friends doesn’t mean that their posting is a sign of anything either other than the fact that they’re probably blocking the lunatics and posting each other anyway…. it’s not some gotcha to anyone in the fandom, it’s not a sign that buddie is coming, it’s two castmates being friends, and doing things that friends do all the time

overall, like i said, i have no problem with people (other than myself) engaging in spec and at this point the people who are getting their hopes up will only have themselves to blame if we’re let down again… my issue mainly lies with some of the bigger blogs being dicks to people raising valid concerns over the new season and not trusting the writers when the writers haven’t done anything to earn that trust; in fact having only done things to the detriment of that trust.

anyway, sorry for the super delayed and super long response, anon 😭😭 i’ve been neglecting my ask box lately in lieu of a spike in temu stans sending me hate yet again but i was just scrolling through and noticed this one and wanted to make a response!

[worstqueerbaittournament]

Before you complain about the picture: I asked people to send in better pictures of Grif and Simmons and NOBODY DID

Submission message for Janis: Mean Girls  - Janis + Person who submitted Janis here. Yes, I meant the movie. The whole time it is implied she's a lesbian only for her to end up with a dude lol

Submission message for Grif and Simmons: Hi! I’m submitting Grif and Simmons from Red vs. Blue. I think they’re the worst personally because I’ve spent a third of my life being queerbaited by someone’s fucking halo ocs.

Additional propaganda: Meanwhile Janis from Mean Girls IS queerbaiting:

    She’s presented as a lesbian throughout the film

    She gets very emotionally attached to girls and tries to sabotage them after they ‘betray’ her and become more interested in boys/popularity (Regina in the past, Cady during the film)

    Proudly declares herself a “big lesbo” to half the school during her trust-fall scene

    Wears a suit to Prom and kisses her gay best friend Damien, they both show complete disgust afterwards

    But in the LITERAL LAST SCENE OF THE FILM, she’s shown dating a guy and kissing him.

((I also haven’t seen the musical yet, so I can’t comment there))

Vote Janis, she’s the only right answer.

this ain't enough information about Grif and Simmons; these two are literally the intro character for the entire series. The first conversation they had became a running joke and repeating theme to the point that, years later, it was used in a dramatic moment so Grif could identify Simmons while fight an evil look-alike. When one of them got injured, the other donated various body parts, including skin and organs, and then became a cyborg, thus having the metaphor of "becoming part of each other" and "you have my heart". They still bicker constantly and and trade insults. They've been glued at the hip for more than a decade. The one time they were split up, it was treated like a devastating divorce, with one of them using the line "I quit you". They then both proceeded to have mutual pining and emotional withdrawl from being apart because they're just THAT codependent. They've been forced to share living space, and immediately devolved into having old-married-couple situations. During a planet-wide sex party, they fooled around in a closet, everybody knows this happened, but they refuse to fully acknowledge it. The VA for Grif even plainly stated that "Grif is in love with Simmons". Simmons once mentioned that he and Grif carved their initials into a tree. When we see the "inner worlds" of their minds, Grif's is almost empty except for a tiny Simmons that runs around to annoy him, and Simmons imagines a Grif that has to do whatever he says, but STILL insults him because Grif can't stop being Grif.They had a talk show together and even called themselves their ship-name "Grimmons". They've been having one long conversation for 2 decades. They're slow-burning like a tire fire. They're married, but they'll never properly get together. IT'S BEEN 2 DECADES

Let's not forget Tucker's actually-in-the-show commentary when he's spying on them over the radio of "I've only been listening to them for five minutes but I can tell they're really in love. Why can't they see it?”

It's literally been two decades.

[dedise]

[spoilers season 12 onward]

I'll never stop saying how everything went downhill when Hotch left. and I mean, shit hit the fan.

the cases are forgettable, at best. and that is the best part.

the worst part is that, no matter what the case was or who was involved, Spencer Reid was, in some way, always the victim and center of attention. don't get me wrong here, I love Reid. tbh, I don't have a team member I don't like.

when the show first started, Reid-centric stories made sense, he was the "baby", he was learning. great.

then, Hotch left, and the writers had to find a way to ensure people wouldn't drop the show (because that's what was happening, we know it, they know it), cue: every episode shall be about Reid, one way or another.

prison Reid arc: ok, fair, interesting. I enjoyed it. season 12 finale was basically about Reid, with a smidge of Emily. Stephen, I love you, you will be missed.

season 13 finale: still about Reid, with a smidge of Penelope, but ultimately, the only one who went through it was Reid. and that's not mentioning all the times stuff centered around Reid throughout the season.

season 14 finale: what in the actual fuck is this bullshit. for this one, in order to make it Reid-centric, the writers decided to completely fuck over JJ, a woman who has always loved her kids and husband, no doubt has ever been instilled in the viewers that JJ only loved Will. but Reid has got to suffer, otherwise viewers would drop the show, so let's fuck over a female lead! in a way that makes no sense at all! :)

season 15: we FINALLY get some serious David Rossi action. that man founded the BAU, has been in the show since season 3, yet we never had a case that was significately centric to him. we finally got one, and the Unsub was interesting! not just that, but it lasted the whole season! of course, given that it's a season finale, the other profilers will be involved too, but since it's technically Rossi's Unsub, he'll be the main protagonist, right? wrong! because even when Rossi finally gets the well deserved spotlight, the writers have to throw Reid-centric bullshit for no reason at all, and all of a sudden Reid is more important than a literal fucking serial killer.

I don't hate Reid, quite the opposite actually, I hate that the writers revolved the seasons after Hotch left entirely around him, forgetting all the other characters, ruining how they were written, fucking up storylines because "oh, Reid has got to be the main boy", and on top of that, taking Reid's character and literally turning him into a version of Hotch, of which the only difference is that he is skinnier (and I can write a whole different post about this last part).

and now that Reid isn't in the next seasons (thank God, may I add), they're moving to the next best thing, aka queerbaiting and cringy oneliners (Emily saying "babe" is, and forever will be, the cringiest fucking thing I've heard in the whole show).

the writers geniuenly don't give a shit about a good product. as soon as they lose a cashgrab they move on to the next one, except they're doing so in a way that is geniuenly upsetting to long-time fans.

let me know your thoughts (asks are open if you wanna stay anonymous)

[marzipanandminutiae]

I see you talking about ouat and it unlocked thoughts that have been neatly filed away for years so here I am, yelling them at you.

I assume at this point spoilers arent a problem anymore for you but you said you originally didn't watch past the frozen but a warning just in case.

I kept watching for quite a long time, but I quit after the whole thing with ruby and Dorothy because what? it just felt so incredibly forced and badly written? and I'd gotten so annoyed because before we'd already had the whole thing with aurora and mulan, which I was rooting for but okay, that didn't work out, too bad for mulan. then we get a perfect set up for ruby and mulan. and it's just. never mentioned again???? ruby comes back eventually but wtf happened to mulan? it annoyed me so fucking much let me tell you.

also I remember trying to write out family/relationship trees and stuff for ouat to see how weirdly convoluted everything got. was very impressed that it seemed they managed to avoid accidentally having incest or something in the show with everything that was going on there.

I have so many more things but this has already gotten way longer than intended. do you have a favourite part of the show? I'm assuming your favourite characters is either regina or emma?

Oh man all of that brings back memories. I didn't stick around long enough for Ruby and Dorothy, but I got the sense that they were doing it to try and counteract the "avoiding Swan Queen because homophobia" allegations.

(I actually don't think they WERE avoiding Swan Queen because of homophobia, necessarily. I think it was never their intent to begin with; they just happened to attract a sapphic audience who were deeply on the Enemies to Lovers train. I do think they may have indulged in a bit of queerbaiting, though, because of some Emma/Regina moments that happened after the writers definitely knew the ship existed. I think it was never going to be canon, but they handled it poorly once they realized that people saw it as an option.)

I stopped watching around Frozen for a couple of reasons:

On a personal level, I just got sick of seeing the characters I shipped with other people. That's not an objective problem; it's my opinion and not everyone will agree. But to me, Hook was a whiny insecure manchild and Robin had the personality of Clippy the MS Word paperclip, and damnit, I wanted Emma and Regina to kiss each other instead of them!

On a This Is Bad Storytelling level, I HATED how Frozen was integrated. Earlier stories had been a nice blend of traditional fairytales with Disney adaptation elements- Beauty and the Beast where Gaston and Chip are both kind of there but in subtler ways, for example, or Cinderella where her dress resembles the 1950s animated version but everything else is different. Frozen, though, was just...Frozen. The entire plot of the movie Frozen had happened before the characters entered the OUAT storyline, their costumes were identical to those in the movie, and while I've heard that they added some different backstory- it just wasn't the "Hans Christian Andersen story with subtle Disney touches" that I would have expected from earlier seasons.

Personally, I don't think the initial curse should have been broken in a season. I feel like that locked them into a pattern of having to continually invent a new Darkest Evilest Most Powerful Magic EVER!!!!! to top the previous season, and that took them to some really weird places (I heard they went to literal hell at one point?). The show had a cool premise and some interesting ideas- I loved how they managed to give individual kingdoms distinct cultures and even fashions. You can tell the "look" of Snow White's kingdom from Cinderella's and Cinderella's from Ariel's, etc.

Everyone who would watch an entire season of Abigail's Ancient Greek Steampunk-ish kingdom, raise your hands. Seriously, so cool.

But something went wrong, IMO around season 4. I'm not sure if the show had just outlived its original concept or had outside pressures pulling it in different directions or what. All I know is, as far as I'm concerned, the show ends when Emma and Henry leave Storybrooke in season 3A. Pity It Was Cancelled So Soon, etc.

(although OOC Matronly SnowTM would have been perfect for live slug reaction memes, so there's that)

[dantedeservedbetter]

I don’t think anyone understands just how much I want origin stories of everyone else in Mystreet like they all have really interesting backgrounds that are just tossed to the side of the main plot points (lol abt to be a really long threat again sorry)

Aaron- Didn’t actually get character lore OR a personality until S3 but like I want MORE because tbh I feel like his parents gave him a lot more trauma than what’s shown in the series, and even the stuff IN the actual seasons (the emotional neglect, his military schooling, the tense relationship w/Melissa etc;) are fixed and shoved off like no he might ACTUALLY need therapy bruh PLEASE

Katelyn- I think she was (?) in therapy in the beginning for her anger issues and the loss of her mother but like it was kind of forgotten about tbh. I think she needs more positive moments in the series honestly bc in the later seasons we’re shown she’s partially abusive towards Travis the first time they went out, and ends up being written off as prejudice towards werewolves bc of past experiences??? Naw the Katelyn I know would never do that. AND HER DREAMS OF WORKING IN THEATRE TOO HELLO??? Also, her mom quite literally used her in the Forever Potion experiments as a child?? I feel like that’s important to her character too :/

The Ro’meave Brothers- I don’t actually know where to start tbh because I feel like ALL THREE of them could use some kind of character depth aside from Dumb Blonde, Emo One, and the Forgotten One. Especially Vylad, probably having to witness this entire Lycan situation grow from an outsiders perspective with no contact from his family in forever. It’s shown that Zane is immensely interested in the family business too like hello??? Garroth himself is kind of just written off as a comedic effect most of the time, but he quite literally has no other goals (possibly because he KNOWS he’s going to inherit the business one day whether he cares to or not).

Laurance- He’s not really a character anymore, but from what we’ve actually SEEN in Mystreet he had enough development to become something outside of a potential love interest for Aphmau. He has a fondness for cooking and was seen to be EXCEPTIONAL at it, and I think he still carried an interest in baseball (or idk it was SOME sport asdfghjk the point is he was good). And he was also shown to still help out his family here and there (babysitting Caleb, his baby brother, in numerous episodes). Idk, I feel like there were so many pieces of Laurance that could’ve been explored and touched upon and we hardly got anything. Also… Garrance. Quite literally hate to be that person but it was literally the biggest piece of queerbaiting I’ve ever seen fr I wish it was explored as much as Aarmau was :( (willing to bet the popularity had something to do with what I call the ��Heartstopper’ treatment but that’s just me tho)

Nana (KC)- The most under appreciated character in-universe I actually had to go and make a separate post about this LOLOL expect it in like five minutes from now bc I just save everything in my drafts.

Travis- Lol no surprise here but him too dude honestly I have no idea where to start with him atm, his entire family’s lore needs a full in depth analysis on themselves because Aphmau’s series just BARELY touches the surface of Travis’s character

Dante/Gene- Honestly BOTH of them were done so dirty I find it funny how no one ever talks abt it because they’re so beautiful to me. Gene already had his redemption arc so I can kind of see why they just tossed him aside but Dante literally had nothing tbh. He had a messy relationship with KC in PDH and then made that same mistake in LLP. Okay, cool, give us more of that. Let him learn from his mistakes and be self aware now. Or better yet let him grow without tossing love interests into the formula in order for it to happen!! Seems like his family life is pretty good though, worst thing abt him was the peanut allergy.

Lucinda- Queen actually has very little to no background that actually centers around her. We know she had a really bad relationship with Ivan but like I’m pretty sure that’s it.

[presentlydean]

my god the revisionist history in this fandom sometimes, like.  i guess some part of me should be glad that people watching it in 2023 can watch supernatural and say, this show was not queerbaiting, dean and cas are obviously together and anyone who watches it should know, and the confession was redundant and useless, but.

guys.

i'm not saying this undercut the work of many writers who spent years layering in details of queer subtext, parallel storylines, and meaningful moments between dean and cas.  those things exist—alongside actively homophobic text, yes, but they exist, and they are important—hugely so to me.  but there is a reason why destiel is a case study in academic works on queerbaiting.  there's a wink and a nudge that comes with a lot of the queer subtext in the 2000s and 2010s, where creators can allude to their characters being queer either by having other characters joke about them or by putting them in queer situations, but the audience is supposed to be in on the ‘joke’ and nothing is meant to come of it.  nothing was meant to come of the queer subtext on supernatural.  it was always meant to be queerbaiting.  

i'm going to call out season eight/season nine era specifically because it was mentioned in one of the posts i'm vaguing (if you see this—i just didn’t want to reblog yours to be grumpy and contrary so i made my own—no ill will!).  watching supernatural as season eight aired was actively painful because you would see these parallels between sam and amelia and dean and cas; you’d watch the writers layer in romantic tropes for dean and cas; you’d have dean on his knees, bloody, saying “this isn’t you, i need you;” you’d have all the deans cas was brainwashed to kill; you’d have “he’s in love…………………with humanity”—and then a fan would go up on stage in a convention and ask a simple question about the relationship between dean and cas and get eviscerated.  that's if you manage to get a question about them past the censors—oh! because questions about ‘destiel’ were literally banned.   

a teenager says she’s bisexual and is booed by the convention audience and dismissed by jensen ackles (“i'm gonna pretend i don’t know what you asked,’ as i seem to recall him saying) for saying she sees a lot of herself in dean and asking if he might be bi.  homophobic jokes from the actors.  big, blow-out fights between fans and creators.  a bigwig getting on twitter and calling fans delusional for pointing out what was actively happening between the characters and what it implies (this is where misha collins’s “your not crazy” tweet came in, and let me tell you people held onto that one like it was a lifeline—because it was).  people quit the fandom then, a lot of them, because of how vicious it was.  people would send anon hate to destiel shippers telling them to kill themselves while literally quoting jared and jensen’s nasty comments on dean and cas.  after that point, even the show started trying to dismantle some of the affection between dean and cas after that point (cue someone asking about the relationship between the characters and jensen saying they don’t really have one this season, and it’s refreshing because the dean and cas thing has been blown out of proportion).   

as someone who was a young adult and had imprinted on this show like a baby duckling, it was just a straight up bad time.  and i'm sorry, you cannot say that just because there was a subtextually queer connection between dean and cas at that point, the show wasn’t queerbaiting.  if the creators cannot respond to polite questions about the basic queer subtext of their show, that’s queerbaiting.  it just is. 

and as for the confession?  it was hugely important.  and half of what made the confession powerful actually was “in just saying it,” not just for the characters, but also given the fraught context of the show.  in speaking it, they made it real in a way that it wasn’t before simply because of the cultural context it exists in.  they said the thing that they had forbidden. 

when i say ‘unparalleled media experience’ when talking about supernatural, i really do mean it.  never have i seen a show so actively hateful towards its fans turn around and say, no, we were wrong, you were right (and then weirdly try to reverse it after the show ended????).  i stopped breathing when cas started his confession because, after the pain that came from season eight and nine, i never thought they would get as close to explicitly stated destiel again.  and then they did it.  they said that right there.  after all those years. 

dean should have kissed him.

[lubotomies]

i don't think they make jokes about gays like that, i mean, people making those comics are gay and know what they are doing, i don't see why it's bad /gen

regardless of whether the artists are lgbt or not eddsworld isnt a person but rather an ip. the things being approved and posted are quite literally the definition of queerbaiting and i dont blame the individual lgbt artists for that but i do blame the very straight men in charge for wanting to appeal to their lgbt audience without being actual allies in any meaningful way. i dont care for being ~allowed~ to be acknowledged once a year by straight men.

take the tommatt comic for example the joke is literally 'they might kiss' and then you have to pay 10 dollars to see a cats asshole blocking anything happening which is literally just taking the piss out on their gay audience. they get to make fun of their gay fans like they always do And they get paid 10 dollars to do so. and if it wasnt clear that it totallyyy isnt canon from them saying it in the first panel and then shoving cat ass in your face, they also clarify oh by the way that didnt ACTUALLY happen even in a noncanonical sense because it was edd playing with puppets ALL ALONG! so its double not canon! :3 like it seems very desperate to undo any implications even through clarifying its not canon. dont forget tom and matt arent ACTUALLY gay guys!

again i dont blame the artists for it i know the actual comic was pitched for valentines and if it had been posted then the context would be less 'lets make a gay joke because tis the season to appeal to our gay fans!' and moreso 'lets make a gay joke because its valentines and these men are lonely asf!'. i think thats the best way i can articulate my thoughts on it.

[wtfwhy]

SPOILERS!!!!!!! Unorganized Teen Wolf movie review basically

I actually... really liked it??? Like it's not that good but I enjoyed watching it! A lot of parts were genuinely funny and the plot was like passable! (Quite a few unanswered questions tho)

There were some things I found confusing or weird, like idk wtf Harris had against the pack (his reveal was funny af tho) and a few other things, but they were mostly just because of the lack of Stiles, Kira, and and Isaac

The Kira 'stand in' girl (I think her name was Hikari??) Was pretty cool, obviously sucks that Kira herself wasn't there but that's a whole different conversation 👀

Honestly, as a huge Stydia shipper I was hoping they wouldn't break them up and just have him like watching their kids or something (I think I saw a funny post of that once) but they way they broke them up? Not actually that bad? Like Lydia left him because she loved him and I was just worried that they wouldn't love each anymore so I'll take what I can get! Tho not expanding on the dreams she was having is a bit of a lost thread, but since it wasn't really apart of the main story, I'll let it slide lol.

I did not like how they just pretended Issac didn't exist, that was pretty fucked up. Like I predicted that Scott and Allison would get back together by the end, but damn rip Isaac for real 😔

Anyways, about Derek's death... Honestly, since I wasn't taking the movie that seriously in the first place, I didn't really feel anything about Derek dying? Like don't get me wrong, I love the man and if they killed him off in the actual show I'd be bawling, but the movie to me is just a silly little suggestion to canon than law. There's real canon, fanon, and the third secret canon that lives inside my brain ☺️

But like, I don't really care that he died in the movie, I was just surprised tbh. Rip king you deserved better 🙏 (I don't understand how he just like, disappeared, after being burnt?? Like maybe I didn't notice it but his body was gone like huh???)

I never liked Scott and Malia together so I'm glad they broke up, but Malia and Parish was weird as hell and was just so random. I think that ever since Malia and Stiles broke up the writers just couldn't figure out what to do with her? Which is a total shame cause Malia is queen. But none of her relationships post stiles make sense or work out so rip (I do love me some stlia on the side ngl)

Jackson was GREAT, funny af and just like how I would imagine the redeemed adult version of the asshole from season 1, 10/10

Lots of missed opportunities for interactions, (like Liam and Mason) but it's only a 2h movie so I get it

I thought both Scott and Allison were great, tho I'm not sure how I feel about her staying alive afterwards. Plus I always shipped Scira more but you know 👀 love that Scott was the same great guy ☺️ when he hugged Chris I literally cried it was so cute 🥺

UNEXPECTED TWIST for me!!! I came into the movie, very lightly shipping Chris and Melissa, and came out of the movie shipping Chris, Melissa, and Peter 😳 I didn't expect that! But they were such a cute trio omg it was amazing

Eli was cute and I don't think that he was that much like stiles, but there obviously similarities

And Jackson and Lydia brotp??? Absolutely!!!

So that's basically it, I'll give this a solid 6/10

PS: saw some people legitimately mad that sterek didn't happen, fuck those people. You are not allowed near my blog...unless you want to send funny hate anon that I can roast

(like one person brought up the whole, sterek was "queerbaiting" thing, which is such bullshit. They literally never fucking liked each other, even platonically. I would say by the end of the show Derek just barely tolerates Stiles. The real queerbaiting was the writers being to scared to confirm that Stiles was Bi because it's ridiculous how many scenes pointed to that, especially in seasons 1-3 smh)

I might take about more later but it's bedtime!!!

[goongiveusnothing]

and as a treat he came out as a weird homophobe on the tour. how nice for them. <3 //

Omg spill the tea I’ve been away on holiday so need to do some catching up what’s happened? 🙊

if you google search "harry styles my policeman backlash" you should probably get some hits!

he was interviewed about my policeman and basically everything he said about gay people onscreen came from a POV of homophobia and ignorance. he said this wasn't a movie about gay people being gay, even though it literally is about two men who can't be together because being gay was a crime at the time. perhaps because it's not a movie about flamboyance or men in skirts or something? who knows. he claimed most gay sex in movies is just "two guys going at it", which it obviously isn't. he claimed their movie was about tenderness (honestly it's not, it's about quite literally two men going at it). he said he couldn't imagine a time where being gay was illegal, when it literally is still illegal in many cases, gay marriage has only been legalised recently, many states are debating it in the US, you can be killed or attacked for being gay even in western progressive countries, he grew up under section 28 in schools, and if we are to believe that he is the queerest celebrity in the planet, then the only reason he can't come out is because of his belief in how homophobic the world and media and his own rich western countries are, yet he can't imagine what it would be like living in a world where being gay is a crime? on top of that he did another queerbaiting interview refusing to state if he was queer or not acting like labels don't matter, when obviously they do or he would just say what he was into or not, so obviously being labelled in some way does matter to him if he's so afraid.

anyway, he caused so much backlash he basically spoke one more time about the movie than they dragged him away and didn't let him say another word about it since.

[lauranthalasah]

So, I read this excellent post about representation and left me thinking.

Since the end of BBC Sherlock* I've had a big problem in the way fandom demands representation sometimes, the way that if it is not exactly what they want then it is worthless. Let me explain myself.

For a long long time a lot of people have seen Holmes and Watson as a couple, and in new recreations of Doyles' work people get more and more hype for a possible in screen representation of this "headcanon", because new times gives hope to them that sooner or later Holmes and Watson ARE going to be gay (sooner or later they are gonna get it, tho).

Now, my issue is that Holmes and Watson have always... ALWAYS been a representation of something that is very dear to me, you see, Sherlock seems to me like asexual and aromantic, while Watson is very clearly heterosexual, but THEY ARE A COUPLE. They are life partners, they are! They just are not interested in each other in a sexual/romantic way, but they very much construct their lives around each other, at least for a while.

BBC Sherlock gives us that end, they end up raising a child together even! For me, the show that gets it right and makes it obvious is Elementary, they purposely made Watson female (and I think heterosexual? maybe bi?), and Holmes is quite sexually active (he might be pan), and then they proceed to give us a story in which they never fell sexually and romantically in love with each other. But do you know what they are at the end of everything?! Life partners!

For a long time people have been trying to put Holmes and Watson's relationship into one tag, when they are a perfect representation of another one that it needs its due representation as well. Like, the day someone finally makes them gay I'm gonna be okay with it, because it is gonna happen and it is gonna be a blast, but I need people to understand that there are other things that are valuable too.

The same happens with Good Omens, there are interesting representations going on there from season 1 (and the book if you want too). But because the author explained that the two protagonists we love were not MEN therefore they were not GAY** a round of "queerbaiting" accusations raised against it. Like they are undoubtedly queer, but because they were not explicitly gay then it was queerbaiting. And I don't like that. 

How many opportunities we'll have of seeing two people fell in love, one of them usually male presenting, one of them however they want to present themselves, both of them in which gender is literally a choice, both of them loving each other, I'll say romantically at least, not necessary sexually, but it could be (more after season 2 I guess). How many times are we gonna see this kind of complexity in a love story? And it is queer! Is so damn queer that we don't have the words for it! They are not humans! But it is a representation of love beyond heterosexual conventions without a doubt.

Also, tell me that Aziraphale and Crowley's romance is the only representation in that show! Or that even Aziraphale and Crowley are the ONLY characters who represent queerness on it?! Tell me that Crowley's gender fluidity isn't fucking amazing! I haven't watched every show in the world, but Good Omens is the most gender transgressive fictional show I have ever seen!

To be fair, I do think we need more queer representation, my point here is that we shouldn't stomp on one kind of representation simply because it is not the one we wanted from it. I don't think any piece of fiction is ever going to meet everyone's expectations of it, it is impossible, but we need to start thinking critically about it. Even when it represents part of what and how we are, it might not be perfect. It might not reflect my reality (there's no fictional work that has ever done that for me), but it doesn't mean it is not representing someone's reality. There's not a singular individual who is going to experience the full spectrum of anything except for their own personal experience of it.

What we need to learn to do is to look around us, to other people that are in similar boats as us who might be telling us "oh wait… I'm sorry that is not you, but that's me!", and we are not listening, and by condemning those fictional works we are kinda telling those people that they are not worthy of representation, or that their representation is less valuable than ours… and I don't like it! Just... just look around once in a while.

*Once upon a time I defended BBC Sherlock over the queerbait allegations against them because the creators were always clear they didn't intend to make Holmes and Watson gay in their show. Later on I realized that not everyone who watches a show watches interviews, cons, etc., but everyone who watched the show would get all those little jabs that, mostly Watson, would get about him and Sherlock being a couple; and I understood why people were so angry and disappointed. They were right to be. So this is not a defence of BBC Sherlock and the shit show they created. I just use the show as an example about Holmes and Watson in general because it's well known on Tumblr.

**I hate that the two examples I used were of gay couples that fandom wanted, I use those because are the cases I know the best, and I truly believe a canon gay Holmes/Watson is just a matter of time.

[ltbkpod]

Hey! I’m currently going through your whole back catalog and loving it - I know you’re fully into queer cowboys right now, but i’m wondering if when you’re done with that you might complete the trifecta and do some queer vampire episodes? I am personally a huge Nandermo (What We Do In The Shadows) shipper and they are RIPE for a deep dive. The fandom is brilliant and there is a lot of great fic and meta out there.

Plus the stuff the actors have said is so intriguing. Kayvan Novak (who plays Nandor) is literally the world’s biggest shipper while Harvey Guillén (Guillermo) is a lot more careful not to label anything - which would usually get my queerbait sensors blaring but he is an out queer man, and so I think something else quite interesting is happening in that he’s trying to not queerbait fans. But by season 4 both characters are canonically queer, and weirdly into each other, just not together. It’s a super fascinating will they won’t they. Anyway. I’ve said a lot! No pressure, I just think it would be neat.

Thank you so much for listening and we're glad you're enjoying the back catalog! We've actually been considering doing a vampire series and Maddie is already a WWDITS fan. We're not sure yet how it's going to fit into our schedule, but it's definitely on the list. Let us know if there are any other vampires (or non vampires) you'd like us to talk about!

[buck-yyyy]

there’s too much negativity and stress on this tag, so let me just be a lil beacon of hope real quick:

the duffer brothers are not stupid. noah schnapp is not stupid. netflix is not stupid. they have all seen the huge amount of well deserved backlash that other shows and companies have gotten for queerbaiting.

they would not be promoting byler/will’s sexuality this much, only for them to erase his very obvious feelings towards mike and make him straight and in love with el or some other stupid shit.

they, along with the show, would all go under fire and it would be horrible promotion for the show. they aren’t going to do anything that will hurt the revenue or reviews for stranger things.

i know it’s stressful, because so many of us are queer and have been queerbaited so many times in the past when we’re just desperate for representation. i know, and i’m quite literally that exact definition. i understand the stress, and the negativity, and the worry. but i promise, they would not build all of this up only to tear it all down in an instant. it’s bad marketing, not to mention it would be shitty writing to pretend like will isn’t the most queercoded character we’ve ever seen.

guys, we’ve come so far as a community. we’re so goddamn close. SO close. we’re quite literally at the point where the canon ship is needing to be defended by its fans- that is insane!!! that never fucking happens!!!

will byers is gay. will byers is in love with his best friend. and in 23 days, everyone is going to see it. and we’ll be laughing- crying laughing on the floor, because we’ve known all along.

[demadogs]

all things considered (aside from a few ship baity things) they've been pretty good about not queer baiting I think??, which is a first for me. It could be because it's actually happening and they're letting the show itself do the talking, they're not as worried about the numbers or everyone has been instructed to be very careful about implying too much if at all. You are right though. in fanimos especially, they could have such it down subtlety without outright saying so. very odd indeed.

yes i really dont think we’re getting queerbaited bc we would be given FAR more byler content right now in their promos to get people excited and wanna watch just for gay tension. instead theyre not showing us any byler that doesnt include el, despite the fact that el is probably only with mike for the first 2 episodes.

ive said this before but queerbaiting is a marketing tactic to grow their audience. 1. they would have to be way more obvious, specifically in their promos and teasers, to actually bait people and 2. theyre quite literally the biggest netflix show of all time. i highly doubt looking for ways to grow their audience is even remotely on their radar and even if it was, they wouldnt go for a tactic that would risk losing the audience they already have.

[mimymomo]

I don’t know how, but somehow Stranger Things 4 Vol. 2 managed to make me feel overwhelmed, underwhelmed, satisfied and unsatisfied all at the same time.

Like, I overall enjoyed it (Vol. 1 is still better imo) and I would still rank S4 somewhere at the top of my favorite seasons, but at the same time, it feels like I have to put major asterisks by the things I enjoyed:

I don’t ship Byler (or Mileven. You couldn’t pay me enough money to care about a ship involving Mike Wheeler) so I had no stakes in what happened there. I didn’t think it was gonna be canon and I loved the two scenes with Will between Mike and Johnathon. BUT I absolutely HATE how Will was sidelined this season and how the show didn’t fully dive into Will’s queerness outside of using it to propel Mike and Eleven’s romance. LET WILL ACTUALLY COME OUT AND SAY HES GAY!! I’m not one of those people who thinks the show queerbaited them (I mean come on guys, 70% of Mike’s dialogue is him raving and moping about El. Will’s feelings have felt one-sided), but I do understand the vitriol towards using a queer character to help push your straight ones. S5 better give Will some real showstopping shit. He deserves better than what he got (let’s be honest Will and El deserve better than Mike but that might just be me…)

Truthfully, I didn’t care about Eddie that much. He was a fine character and I wasn’t too broken up by his death. BUT I have to say this: DUFFER BROTHERS/ST WRITERS, PLEASE STOP INTRODUCING NEW CHARACTERS EVERY SEASON AND THEN KILLING THEM OFF IN THE SAME SEASON!! This is the third time this has happened. It’s predictable. Stop it.

Max and Lucas were easily the highlight of the entire season for me. Stupid Vecna/Henry/001 is racist and hates redheads cause that dumb bitch Jason was RIGHT THERE but nooooo he had to screw with Max! And Max better wake up and go on that date with Lucas in S5 (I 100% think she will except she may be blind now). Like I said in a previous post, killing Max would’ve ruined what episode 4 had excelled at portraying: a depressed person finding the will and strength to live through the trust and binds she has with her friends and loved ones. But that fake out death scene between her, Lucas and El was cruel and I don’t appreciate it! Like my favorite character died and my other favorite character has to watch the love of his life die in his arms. GIVE SADIE AND CALEB ALL THE EMMYS! AND LET THEM GO ON THEIR MOVIE DATE! Fuck, never plan dates in this show, you just end up dead I stg… Was this whole last bullet just an excuse to rant about Lumax? Yes! They’re the best ship in this show and I will scream about them until S5 let’s them be happy!

(And yes, El restarting Max’s heart is not as much of an asspull most people seem to be treating it as. Literally in S1 she caused multiple people to experience organ failure and their brains to explode/bleed from the eyes. Using her powers as a telekinetic defibrillator to perform essentially CPR on Max is not the big a logic jump).

Sorry this post was dumb and long, I just needed to vent. I’m not quitting the show nor do I regret watching Vol. 2 or anything, I’m probably one of the people who enjoyed Vol. 2 more than most, I just wondered if others felt similarly to me.