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No, actually. It is not “shaming Katara’s femininity” or her “maternal traits” to critique the ways in which her character was relegated to a the passive role of the Avatar’s grieving widow and largely ignored by the narrative post-ATLA. Oh my god, we are not “degrading” Katara by pointing out the sexist implications of how her character was handled and to suggest such a thing is just so…infuriating and very revealing of the underlying sexism in the fandom.
No thoughts, just people endlessly glorifying Katara’s maternal tendencies without bothering to question or investigate the adverse effects of her parentification. Apparently anyone who criticizes the writing of Katara’s character is just denigrating “traditional femininity” and THEY are the true misogynists! Not the male writers or viewers who consistently minimize Katara’s significance to the narrative and mock fans who ship her with anyone other than Aang.
Not at all, really we should just accept the conditions of the narrative uncritically and never question the biases of the creators. How dare we criticize them and point out the underlying sexism in their writing?
#pro katara#atla discourse#it’s making me insane and you would not believe the fury a certain TikTok evoked from me#these people HATE HATE HATE to see any logic in the critiques provided by zutara fans because they are so blinded by their desire to consume#the show completely uncritically.#Good lord some of these fans are SO misogynistic and yet we’re the ones who get called *problematic* for shipping zutara#avatar the last airbender#avatar zuko#avatar#zutara#pro zutara#atla critical#atla#atla netflix
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I'm going to be fully honest, I hate the use of problematic as a coined term for fictional ships. I feel like problematic has just become one of those terms tossed around at anything and everything and often used as a gotcha net.
"I don't care about your ships as long as they're not problematic."
Okay. Are we talking about incest or just a ship where they have clashing political opinions?
Am I not allowed to ship the sentient wolf creature with the twink or am I not allowed to ship the two middle aged store clerks who have different views on wanting children?
What if one half of my canon ship gets de-aged to eighteen? Is it suddenly problematic to ship them for as long as that character remains de-aged?
What kind of age brackets are we defining as problematic these days? What are the cut-off points for when its not problematic for two people to fall in love? What if one person has a birthday before the other one and for a few months they're not part of that acceptable bracket anymore?
Problematic is just being used as a one-word way to shut people down and force them to comply with your own expectations and boundaries. Problematic is thrown around as a way to box people into behaving and existing in ways that make you comfortable.
"I don't like the way that you exist so I'm going to brand you as this negative word that forces you to change to suit my preferences or be shunned by society."
Problematic means to constitute as or to present a problem. It is not the shiny new term for 'if you ship this thing you're a terrible person.'
#sephiroth speaks#myfandomrealitea#fandom#not discourse#proship#proshipping#ships#shipping#problematic should die tbh#tiktok should be for memes and recipes not public opinions
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sometimes seeing ship discourse is so funny bc its like ‘real life offline people would think this is DISGUSTING’ and then in real life you just have people who think luke and leia should have ended up together. ‘your irl friends would think this age gap ship is EVIL’ the most average 20something woman you know had ezria from pretty little liars as her lockscreen at some point
#i dont even rlly ship anything with age gaps or incest (outside of fandoms like hotd where incest is a canonical part of the world)#but its just weird seeing these takes online bc like. in high school english i knew a girl who was totally offline#who was writing ponyboy x sodapop stories from the outsiders in the back of her notebook#‘shipping/thirsting over villains is problematic’ emily from target is liking ghostface thirst traps on tiktok rn#your aunt is writing ‘damon 😍 i wish i was raynera’ on facebook with a grainy picture of matt smith rn#discourse#fandom
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nygmobs practice animatic ^_^
ignore that i got lazy by the end
#nygmobblepot#gotham#the riddler#edward nygma#oswald cobblepot#the penguin#fanart#dc fanart#artists on tumblr#my art#dc universe#animation#animatic#riddlebird#also i hear the band is problematic but i literally do not know them#like never listened to them i just got the audio from tiktok#so yeah
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Born to write incest on tumblr forced to disapprove of wincest on TikTok
#guys u don’t understand#I could make such good wincest edits for TikTok#but then ppl would cancel me#I have 15K followers on TikTok and I have to cloak my freak tendencies from all of them#I just. wish TikTok ppl were chiller abt “problematic ships like tumblr ppl#spn#supernatural#wincest#samdean
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Broke (2016): BBC Sherlock is a phenomenal piece of media and anything that seems like a flaw just hasn't been fully explored yet
Woke (2020): BBC Sherlock is an incredibly flawed series run by an egotistical writer, it never deserved the hype and is actively bad on so many fronts (especially representation)
Bespoke (2024): BBC Sherlock is flawed and bogged down by increasingly poor writing, which many fans refused to see while it was airing, leading to hugely misplaced expectations (particularly for the final series), AND it has the seeds of some compelling characterizations and portrayals, some genuinely solid performances, and touches--albeit imperfectly--on complexities that are still being discussed today (particularly as it relates to the relationship between Sherlock and John). The huge cultural impact of the show has created a massive pendulum effect in its public perception, leading to most people today remembering a caricature of the show (whether positive or negative) rather than appreciating its nuanced merits and failings...that being said Season 4 sucked
#these just sum up my personal takes at the years in question and also what i'm seeing on tumblr/other social media#bbc sherlock#sherlock holmes#and i actually have a lot more thoughts to share on this series#specifically relating to the cultural impact#there is SO much about the show that goes unappreciated in hindsight because of how public perception of it has soured#and i totally fell into this as well--i still regularly rewatch hbomberguy's video absolutely dismantling the series and he isn't wrong!!#but what i'm saying is that i think it's easy for us to look at a piece of media (especially one so massively popular) like sherlock...#with very black-and-white lenses. it wouldn't have become so popular if there wasn't something inherent in it that resonated with people#and that's being buried (and i totally forgot it) because 'sherlock is cringe and problematic. can't believe i liked that'#which again it IS full of issues and those are well-documented as they should be. future portrayals should not repeat those mistakes#BUT being able to impact so many people is a merit in itself. and that's only possible because of other genuinely good things about the show#yes the way they handled the relationship between john and sherlock was riddled with problems YES it was often queerbaiting#AND the way they portrayed that relationship had a deep effect on me. i saw a lot of myself in sherlock and the complex way he loved john#the nuanced feelings he had about john's marriage to mary. the part (in s4!) where john calls him inhuman for not feeling romantic love#there was genuine intention and care put into some parts of this show and it comes through in scenes like those. they impact people.#and because of this realization i'm going to (eventually) do a rewatch of the show. i'm much older and i want to see how i'll view it now#but i want to go into it--and i want everyone who engages with it still--to have an open mind and evaluate it for what it is#not what we expected it to be (secret episode anyone?) or what the cultural drift has turned it into (the tiktok of sherlock's mind palace)#but the messy problematic somewhat-heartfelt massively significant and ultimately meaningful piece of media it actually was#anyway that's my thoughts would love to hear y'all's perspectives#funny how after all this time making a sherlock post still feels like i'm poking a bees' nest lol please be kind!#kay can i just catch my breath for a second#kay has a party in the tags
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I just saw someone on TikTok joke about Nemlei being doxxed, saying she deserved it and “that’s what she gets for making The Coffin of Andy and Leyley” and I just… no matter what you think about problematic fictional content, how messed up do you have to be to think that someone (a real person) deserves such a thing?
#the coffin of Andy and leyley#i hate tiktok#proship#proshipping#problematic shipping#proshipper#pro shipping#proship safespace#ship and let ship#not positivity#nemlei#doxxing
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i think i lost all my remaining brain cells in this comment section
idk if i wanna laugh or cry about the fact that NOBODY in this convo has any clue what they’re talking about
#repeat after me#proship does not stand for problematic ship#proshipping#proship#proshippers please interact#proshipper safe#anti anti#proship discourse#shipping discourse#fandom#fandom discussion#tiktok#tiktok comments#amy talks#profiction
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So has anyone else noticed the section of the Bridgerton fandom of white women treating Regé-Jean Page like a sex toy and absolutely freaking the hell out why he doesn’t come back so they can “have their duke” and “they want simon”…it’s creepy, sexualizing, and probably racially motivated, right?
#they have a weird sense of entitlement to him that feels like ownership and it’s giving me a crazy ick#i’ve also mainly seen this on tiktok because where else does problematic discourse full of brain rot happen anymore#bridgerton#bridgerton season 3#violet bridgerton#daphne bridgerton#simon basset
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i hate when people can't acknowledge that their interests or favs have faults... like wdym "well 🤓 there actually was not any fatphobia in saiki k, the jokes in those episodes were that she was unhealthy, not that she was fat-" the entire joke is that she gets fat. thats the entire joke, and you KNOW that thats the entire joke. you can enjoy those episodes and find the rest of the humor in them funny while also acknowledging that its weird that the whole joke was that she got fat.
and dont even get me started on people defending what they did with mera in the island arc... why cant you just say "yeah thats really weird and we shouldnt condone it" and move on instead of going "welllllll! actually ��☝️ they did nothing wrong!"
#this is about tiktok comments btw#me ranting abt the tiktok tdlosk fandom again lolz#i dont know why people do this besides THEM being fatphobic or racist#but if i had to guess i think its because they delude themselves into thinking 'tdlosk has problematic things in it' means 'tdlosk is bad'#really want these people to know that you can literally just go 'yeah that isnt good' and move on#at the very LEAST stop pretending its okay#saiki k#tdlosk#the disastrous life of saiki k.#meows post
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I’d like to say now, I don’t like Sabrina Carpenter. I don’t why, just a bad vibe. When she becomes problematic, please look back at this, because I told you so.
#sabrina carpenter#bad vibes#problematic#told you so#lol#humor#memes#funny#stupid#humans#adulthood#tiktok#music#ticktock
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God I love toxic ships. I love one-sided obsessions. I love manipulation and evil intentions. I love mutually assured destruction. I love psychological torture. I love puppeteering in the metaphorical and literal sense. I love coercion and power imbalances. I love dreams being haunted.
#billford#yall joke about#toxic old man yaoi#until it’s actually toxic#and then suddenly it’s ’how could you like something this problematic?’#it’s fictional and interesting to see next question#watching tiktok go from ‘hehe billford silly’ to ‘that’s actually sa and you’re evil :/‘#in the span of three days has been… frustrating
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the replies in that dr frank n furter poll is actually insane. the way ppl truly misunderstand the intentions behind that character astounds me
God the way I was on my glee blog and saw you reblogged that poll and was about to message YOU about it…
First of all, the children do not know queer history. Many such cases. Sad.
Second of all, im sorry the creator of the musical had an 80 year old man opinion on transitioning that isn’t totally PC, but he literally described himself as genderfluid (in his own words) before. You think he wrote a whole musical just to make fun of himself??? You don’t think that could’ve been an exploration of anything personal for him??? Guess not 🤷🏻
Third of aaaall. You know how much flack fucking. Heartstopper gets?? One of the fluffiest and chillest pieces of queer media there is?? Gets shit all over bc it isn’t an accurate representation of 100% of queer people on earth’s experiences. How is Rocky Horror supposed to save itself alsjdhdjsk
There is no one singular piece of queer media that every single person under the lgbtqia++ umbrella will hold up as a beacon of self acceptance, self understanding, and entertainment. But in the meantime, a ton of queer people of all ages from all walks of life under all letters of the queer alphabet LOVE Rocky Horror. This queer bitch right here fucking loves it too!! And that’s all that matters ♥️♥️♥️
Also I do reeeally wanna fuck Frank n Furter
#the rocky horror picture show#my thoughts#cryscendo#OH and of course the fucking tiktok children trying to teach the masses about Frank’s PrObLeMaTiC behavior#guyssss it’s really important you dont glorify or romanticize him tricking people into sleeping with him#cool ok can I watch my movie now
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Glad that the Earth was destroyed before Zaphod found out before the Internet and, in turn, social media was invented. Like. Day one the guy would be at the core of every internet drama ever. There would be *multiple video essays* about him; not just about the extra extremities and his goofy aah outfits but also about the nature of his content. Zarquon knows what that would be
#if zaphod had tiktok what would be post?#i actually dont know but i feel like he'd be trendy yet problematic#mostly with him probably rejecting criticism with his massive ego#maybe he'd use social media to promote his presidential campaign..?#social media#the hitchhikers guide#the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy#h2g2#zaphod beeblebrox#lucifers pride#lucifers gluttony#lucifers humility#lucifers inferno
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i will never justify why i like deh bc i don’t have to actually. i can just like it no qualifier needed
#this is inspired by a post but by no means a direct response#im just sick of anyone who ever says they like deh following it up with an ‘even though it sucks’#u can just say u like it#also it doesn’t suck okay it’s not problematic bc that doesn’t#doesn’t mean anything#the story isn’t trying to tell people to lie about knowing dead kids it’s not a moral lesson#the music slaps#have ur issues with it whatever but stawp with the shame#no media is without flaws#deh is not objectively bad as much as people want to believe that#honestly no one gets to clown on deh when dark romance is insanely popular on tiktok#by which I mean clearly we can understand that media doesn’t have to reflect real life morals#it doesn’t have to be pure and clean#im literally so cold rn#that’s unrelated#let people enjoy deh guilt free#let the tiktok girlies enjoy mafia stalker fiction#live and let live!#do i main tag this#dear evan hansen#deh#dear evan hansen (2021)
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Idk if it’s because of how I’ve curated my feed but I rarely see people shitting on Christine. Any E/C space I’m in is mostly about centering Christine and her satisfaction.
That said, I feel the constant need to warn people that “If you like Erik and Christine as a couple, remember not to have that kind of relationship IRL” is kind of annoying. I get the intention, but people, including young people, aren’t stupid and don’t need constant reminders to not be inspired by their toxic faves.
Like yes girl, I know the Phantom is not a real man. I wish a wealthy, nerdy, musically talented, intelligent old man that lived underground and wanted to help me with my music career was real. But he’s not, so I’m gonna indulge in fiction.
Bless the rest of y’all that get involve in the discourse though. Honestly, could not be me.
#christine daae#phantom of the opera#erik/christine#like do you know how ridiculous it was to be 18 and hearing ppl be like ‘oh you’ll know why Entrapdaks bad when you’re older’#babes its been almost 6 years and they’re still one of the strongest relationships out of the show#i wonder if its more tied to r/c and e/c discourse which 🤷♀️#jokes on them I like when all three of them get together#But yeah I rarely come across thosse ‘Christine was wrong for not picking Erik’ posts unless it was like teenagers on TikTok#Which I don’t take seriously at all#as a former teen on the internet#because most of the time you grow out of it#anyway anytime I got reprimanded for shipping something as a kid it just made me want to indulge in it more#and it made me feel like I was being treated like a toddler#by older people who’d be so up in arms about this one ship while defending another that was equally if not more problematic#my hot take is that in most cases ships aren’t really problematic#its more based on your personal tastes and experiences shaping your view of relationships in media
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