#pro Targaryen

[livingfandomly]

Sometimes when I’m watching HotD I’m hit by the magnitude of everything Daenerys did ALL ALONE and I’m back to being pissed off at GoT…

[the-13th-omniscient]

The Targs are the best house for the Smallfolk

I mean, let's count off the immediate impact of Jaehaerys and the first Aegon's reigns, plus one of the few good things Maegor did:

The constant wars the Kings of Westeros waged were stopped.

Harren Hoare's mass enslavement of the Riverlands was defeated, and the Ironborn kicked out of the Riverlands.

Ironborn attacks and raids dropped to practically zero.

Queen Rhaenys banned the husband's right to beat his wife to death, and allowed the brothers of a murdered woman to exact vengeance for the murder.

The Faith's military power was broken, which I'd argue is a positive. Religious fanatics losing military forces is a good thing.

The lordly right to rape smallfolk's wives was banned by Jaehaerys on Alysanne's wishes.

The Night's Watch was boosted, enhancing their ability to feed themselves and repel wildlings. Without the New Gift I'm not sure the Watch would last to the present.

ROADS. Jae built huge road systems to bind the Seven Kingdoms, boosting trade and greatly improving the capacity of the smallfolk to make money by increasing travel. This is a very important step towards advancing the Seven Kingdoms.

Dragonpower means that Westeros can repel Free City raids, Dornish attacks, put down Vulture Kings, and otherwise minimize the threat of foreign invasion. Without dragons, the Dornish assault by Prince Morion Martell would have been a bloody, hellacious affair in all probability.

Plus, they preserved the Realm for fighting the Long Night.

And for it, the smallfolk of King’s Landing slaughtered innocent young dragons, and a pair of older mother dragons who had hurt nobody…

Just my thoughts.

[raidark]

I will always support Rhaenyra's claim. How could I not, when I'm also team Daenerys, with a claim so similarly opposed? As Aerys, as crazy as he was, passed down on Rhaegar's line and named Viserys his heir, with Dany taking the claim from that decision as Viserys' heir, as Princess of Dragonstone.

Jon's claim comes just fom being a Targaryen male, just like with Aegon II. He's the last son of a line unchosen by the previous king (the previous previous king if we consider that Viserys was crowned in Dragonstone before going into exile).

Dany is the rightful heir except by not having a dick. And that was the sole threat to her claim, just like the Greens decided to usurp Rhaenyra because she was a woman and Aegon II was a man.

But the most infuriating thing about it in the GoT series is that Dany just accepted that and even begged Jon not to tell anyone.

Pre-Season 8 Dany would have never done that. She faced many men who undervalued and despised her, who tried to control her and thought of her as less just because she was a woman. And she proved them all wrong because she wouldn't accept being less because of her gender.

Dany's war against misogyny was so obvious and publicly known that even Yara Greyjoy used it in her benefit to gains Dany's favor when they negotiated their alliance.

Pre-Season 8 Dany would have been told Jon is Rhaegar's male son and that alone made him come before her in succession and she would have said "you're a man, so what". She would have never started being insecure about Jon usurping her, or people loving him more than her. It was another normal day for her in this shitty world, the same battle.

But well, yet another assassination of her character. People think her character was only killed in the last two or three episodes, when it had already started by the first episode, with complete contradictions of what happened and how she was characterized in season 7. Not like season 7 was perfect either, since it was there when Dany started being paint in bad light for doing the same things many other characters did without consequences while they were treated as good.

This ended being a post defending Daenerys, but really, I don't know how can you be pro Rhaenyra defending her right to the throne against Aegon II but not doing the same with Daenerys. I saw some pro Rhaenyra people talking shit about Dany and that inspired this post.

[sleepymick]

just tried for like, the billionth time to talk to my brother and my mom both about how “targaryens are mad” is propaganda both in universe, and in the fandom, and my brother literally got up, and left the room bc i wouldn’t let him just shut me down and not interrupt me while im trying to get to my point

[lizzie-queenofmeigas]

I don't get the Targaryen antis and their "blood purity" obsession. The Targaryens are the only dragonriding family left in the world. They marry into the family to not lose their culture. They find connection with their family that can't with others. Some married to others, and that's fine, but many preferred not to and that's also fine.

[darklinaforever]

I have to laugh :

Seriously ? 😂😅

[bee-unknown]

Don't mind me, I'm just watching someone call Targaryens evil colonizers who deserve to die while using the picture of a stark/jon as pfp

[daenysthedreamer101]

POV: You're a part of the cast attending the S2 NYC Red Carpet Premiere

[deadendlily]

Sansa stans who support Aegon II and team green: Sansa would hate you

Sansa is very much Aegon III coded like both were war hostages and saw their parents being killed in front of them,, why would she support the greens when they did to Aegon III the very same thing Joffrey and Cersei did to her

[throwawayasoiafaccount]

magic in asoiaf is genetic. and that is intresting. and the fact that grrm doesn’t shy away from the implications of this makes me love asoiaf even more.

because it’s very understandable that these people who could ride dragons would see themselves as more gods than men. it’s understandable that the practice of sibling-sibling incest would become common in order to keep this ability in the family/to not lose said ability. it’s also understandable that these people would see their race as superior because they are able to do these things that others could not.

it also makes complete sense that this human civilization collapsed in a horrific magical event due to their own hubris because they saw themselves as gods when they were always only men.

and that is peak world building.

some more peak world building is that the noble houses of westeros also clearly gained power and held onto their power through the use of their magical abilities inherited from their ancestors.

a godlike existence like Garth the Green being the ancestor of all the oldest and most noble of the reach houses makes perfect sense for this world!and it also makes sense that the lords without this ancestry are discriminated against in this region that still holds onto the values their society cultivated in the past in order to maintain their magical superiority, even though most of these noble and old houses no longer exhibit these abilities.

and it also makes sense that these people no longer have access to these abilities as they no longer practice the religion that was centered around these powers; plus their blood is simply diluted at this point as these houses have married into a different ethnic group so often that the magical gene just doesn’t surface anymore.

but the fact that it still matters if you can trace your ancestry back to Garth the Green? peak! peak! peak!

george does such an excellent job showcasing the stagnation of westerosi society here because why should it matter if you’re connected to this magic guy if magic is no longer commonplace? however, it also makes total sense that the ruling class of the reach still harps on and on about this as it’s how they maintain the status quo and differentiate themselves from those they consider lesser now that they no longer have access to magic themselves.

and this is also why it’s very important that the Starks still retain the blood of the first men. because the first men interbred with the children of the forest and other elder races, which is what gave these humans these powers. it’s also worth noting that before the direwolves connected with the Stark children, none of our current Starks were able to awaken their abilities by themselves, which shows that even now they are very far removed from their ancestor who’s genetic makeup gave this bloodline these abilities. and it makes sense that the Starks experienced this slow magical decline because magic itself was declining in the world after the doom of valyria.

another reason for this decline is because Andal culture started heavily influencing the North and slowly changed the way magic was perceived. so now in the present, a warg/skinchanger/greenseer has become something to fear being because that’d make you different and therefore puts your life at risk, which means that there’s now practically no safe environment to cultivate these abilities and no secure way to pass down any knowledge you do have about said abilities.

i can’t help but be reminded about how Jon Snow has rejected his nature and how that has led to the stagnation of his abilities, and then i think about Arya and Bran and how their new environments have led to an astonishing growth in their abilities, which shows that it’s not just genetics that matter, environment is also just as, if not more, important.

i bring all of this up because magic being genetic in asoiaf is not as problematic as people try to make it out as. in real life, sometimes people just have genetic gifts. some people can become olympians, and some people are disabled. some people are born 10 times smarter than the average human, and some people believe that covering their faces in lemon juice would turn them invisible. that is reality. and in this universe, some people have access to magic and some don’t, and it’s all based on genetics. it’s unfair! and that makes it realistic.

not everyone gets to ride dragons and not everyone gets to travel back in time, and that grounds asoiaf, which is what grrm was going for.

and how these societies have organized themselves in response to these genetic abilities and the dangers they pose makes absolute sense. on one hand we have the valyrian freehold, which was a magic hotspot and the people who lived there used magic to propel their society to new heights, and on the other hand we have the seven kingdoms that demonize anyone too different, and all magic practitioners are different from normal humans.

and the fact that george decided to go this route with asoiaf is so juicy to me cause:

we have characters like Varamyr and Euron who use their abilities to commit great evils and we know that their powers have influenced the way they see and interact with others. on the other hand we have characters like Dany who use their abilities to fight against evil violent institutions. and through characters like her we learn how vulnerable fledgling magic practitioners/characters with these abilities are to these older and more dangerous institutions and individuals who are perfectly aware about the knowledge gap between them and these younger characters and know exactly how to exploit them.

so, while it’s understandable that the fandom is uncomfy with the practices and values that grrm has written about, this isn’t bad world building by any means. it’s logical and well thought out. and i truly enjoy that grrm doesn’t shy away from writing about the more worrying aspects and implications of magic being a matter of genetics. i also like how the seven kingdoms and the valyrian freehold are kinda extremes on the matter of magic and how this is/was detrimental to both of these societies and at the individual level. a horrific magical firey doom is not any better nor any worse than a slow drawn out icey decline.

imo, what is important to remember is that in the world of asoiaf, people with magic are the ones who are discriminated against (bc most POV characters are in Westeros and magic is a no no there). so they are the ones who are in danger if they out themselves as magic users. now, it is true that some societies are more tolerant (Qarth is a great example of this and Valyria before the doom was likely the most tolerant to have ever existed in this world), but as of now most societies simply aren’t. remember jojens warning? he didn’t pull that out of his ass. bran would’ve been in a lot of danger if he came out and told the wrong people about his dreams/abilities. also, jon’s assassination may have been partly motivated by the mutineers fear of wargs. this is the life-threatening danger magic practitioners are in for simply existing in an intolerant society.

tbh the reason i typed all this up is because it’s very annoying when people try to ignore the reality, which is that the dragonbond depends on genetics. now, i’m sure there are other ways to ride a dragon, as dragons are magical animals so of course there may be a one in a million chance of a dragon allowing some rando to ride it, but this doesn’t change the fact that there is such a thing as a genetic ability that gives these certain humans the ability to form a connection with a dragon.

(another example that i can’t help but remember is that melisandre was able to get ghosts approval by using some of her tricks. of course there could be other reasons for ghost to have done this, but the most likely reason is that ghost simply fell for melisandre’s trick and this influenced how jon saw mel. but this doesn’t change the fact that melisandre will never have the kind of bond jon and ghost have because melisandre is not a warg. this is also another example of how vulnerable fledgling magic practitioners are to older ones.)

so, sorry not sorry that george decided to create a realistic representation of what a society would look like if only certain bloodlines were able to ride dragons <\3.

[raysthingsx]

me explaining that every ‘anti Targaryen’ person is anti fun

[livingfandomly]

Imagine the gravity of the events of HotD if we knew that it was all so Dany could end up on the throne?? Alllll the dominoes, centuries of history, ending with Daenerys fucking Targaryen on the throne. It would make HotD sooooo much more crucial instead of… pointless.

[silver-dragonborn]

Let The World Burn: After the murder of her beloved Luke, Rhaenyra realizes too late the lengths Alicent and her sons will go to ensure that her family is destroyed and resolves to eradicate Alicent's rotten line from root to stem. No matter the cost. Baela has no intention of becoming a pretty breeding ornament for the Seven Kingdoms and carves a bloody name for herself as the Rogue Princess. Rhaena is adrift without her beloved betrothed, but grief turns to vengeance as she claims a terrible mount...Cannibal.

Agony: During the usurpation of Rhaenyra's throne, tempers flare, bitter seeds bear bitter fruit once more and the unforgivable happens. Alicent didn't mean for this to happen. Everything she did was to protect her family.

But good intentions can't bring back the dead.

Now, with the Smallfolk demanding the ascension of their rightful Queen and the nobles shunning The Greens for the crime of kinslaying, Alicent, and her family must look at themselves in the cold light of day and see what they have allowed themselves to become.

Blood Sea: Rhaena is captured by the Greens during her journey to the Vale and brought back to King's Landing as a "ward" of the Crown. A weak-willed daughter of Daemon Targaryen with no dragon of her own and none of her father's fire is hardly a threat to anyone, right? A shame the Greens never learned that even without wings a dragon is still a dragon. Out of all Daemon's children, Rhaena is the most dangerous. In their ignorance, the sheep welcomed the dragon into their herd and the dragon did what all dragons do...devour.

Twin Seas: Rhaena and Baela achieve victory for Rhaenyra using acts of espionage, character assassination, and sabotage. The daughters of the Rogue Prince are merciless in their campaign to wrest the Seven Kingdoms from Aegon's grasp, for they are both the beauty and horror of House Targaryen.

A Sharp Lesson: Rhaenyra hears of Ser Criston's unfair treatment of her sons in the training yard and with all the rage of an overprotective mother, teaches the soiled knight a sharp lesson as to why you do not bite the hand that feeds you.

[danyseastar]

“the targaryen’s think they’re better than everyone else! they must be evil reincarnated!!”

i hate to break the news to you bestie but that’s like… EVERY house in westeros major and small. i guess in ur in-depth analysis you decided that the hightower’s are the *real* pinnacles of servitude and graciousness and don’t believe they are better than anyone else in opposition to the big bad evil targaryen’s who do how could this possibly not reach y’all’s itty bitty bite sized brains

[imhereforthetryus]

I’m just anti andal and anti hightowers ((setting aside his wife and kids for an andal princess speaks volumes about the ht ambitions and scheming), how is it they get to colonize westroes and actually impose their language, cut down weirwoods and add their own laws, the first men hunted the children of the forest literal genocide yet Aegon the Conquer takes westroes by force and unites them and lets them rule individually and doesnt insist that they have to learn high valyarian or attempts to make any place but dragonstone valyarian in appearance, he settles any disputes, all he asks are taxes and there was more peace post conquest than pre conquest like look at the wall recruits and it says everything yet the Targs are the colonizers…

I think it’s quite clear that some fans of the series are as envious as their favorite houses that their favorite houses don’t have any cool dangerous pets that can conquer westroes, not all their members are described as beautiful, or with fantasy unique hair and coloring, while the Targ dynasty was “short” in westroes terms, every member in that house made an impact for better or worse and the Targaryen whole line written out. Unfortunately for yall i dont think George if he ever writes again will want to come up with a fire & blood like book on baratheons dynasty (he reverts to the bobby b type) not even the starks except for maybe the she wolves, and yall saw how the lannister & stark show hadn’t even made it out of development because duh outside of the wotfk, there was no house rivalry between starks and lannisters.

[lizzie-queenofmeigas]

The way the anti Targaryen bias and excuses to hate them stinks of xenophobia.