#please just understand nuance im begging you

[hannieehaee]

i dont know if u accept smut reqs but if u don’t please ignore my ask and i’m so sorry for overstepping!!

but could i please req a hard dom!seungkwan who teaches u a lesson at home after u couldn’t stop whining and begging for him at dinner with ur friends?

18+ / mdi

content: dom!seungkwan, afab reader, teasing, smut, oral (m receiving), letc.

wc: 1399

a/n: im so sorry i took so long to finish this!!! ive been trying to make time for all reqs so its taking a while to get them all out T-T anyways thank u for requesting and i hope u enjoy!!

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it was common for seungkwan to bring you along whenever he had dinner with the members. it had kind of become a tradition to have dinner together at least once a month, with the members' respective significant others tagging along.

you had been part of the crew for a while, having been dating seungkwan for an extended period of time by now. you were practically just another friend to the members at this point, making all of you quite comfortable with one another.

maybe too comfortable.

seungkwan always thought of you as a well-behaved girl. not even in a dirty way or anything. he just knew you were never the type to act out in public or to purposely become a nuance to him. yes, you would banter with him sometimes, but it was always in good faith and never really went anywhere. sure, you'd often tease him in the bedroom and take advantage of your effect on him time after time, but this always remained behind closed doors.

which was why seungkwan was quite shocked at the way in which you had suddenly decided to behave.

you weren't being too obvious about it, keeping your brattiness between you and himself. it started with a few touches far too high on his thigh, followed by raunchy comments hidden behind a cough. then it evolved into lustful eyes staring down on his own whenever no one was looking.

it even manifested itself into you cornering him on your way to the bathroom as he came back from a bathroom break himself.

you'd planted a steamy kiss on his lips and felt him up in a very unseemly way before letting him know you 'wanted his cock so fucking bad' and making your merry way to the bathroom as he walked back to the table completely flustered. it then (unsurprisingly) proceeded into a text message received by seungkwan a few moments later, a message containing your bare breasts and a look in your eye that he only ever saw between the sheets. except you weren't between his sheets. you were at the restaurant's bathroom, making a fool of him with a mere picture.

that was more or less where seungkwan felt it'd be appropriate to put his foot down. he was never good at resisting you, and he knew that adding the extra layer of being surrounded by his members would only make him break sooner or later. so he decided to throw you a curveball and storm after you in the bathroom, coughing out an excuse of 'forgot my wallet in the restroom' to the other guys before sneaking his way into the hallway leading to the restroom. that's where he found you making your way back to the table before wordlessly dragging you to one of the spacious gender neutral stalls and locking the door.

immediately pushing you up against the wall, he practically growled out his next words.

"you wanted me to embarrass myself out there, huh? knowing i dont know how to act any time you tease me," he assessed, knowing he was right by your shocked expression.

you clearly were expecting him to crumble and make up some weak excuse in order to take you home as you smirked next to him, giving the members clear indication of who begged for who in the relationship. but he decided to turn things on you and give you a taste of your own medicine, maybe show you what it was like to get on your knees for your beloved.

"no, i-"

"did i say you could speak? good girls stay quiet til i tell them do speak. do you understand?", his hands went to run up and down your body, making a game plan of how he was going to take you.

"y-yes."

"good girl. now ..."

his eyed drifted down to your cleavage, reminding him of the dirty picture you had sent him earlier.

without a second thought, his hands grabbed onto your cleavage and forcefully pulled it down, ripping a bit at the arms of your dress before diving right to your tits, mouth open and willing.

"k-kwannie, what are you-"

he ignored your gasp, simply adding more force to the suckling of your breasts, using his arms to push up your hips against his own as he began to grind against you. his groans and your gasps were the only thing that could be heard in the empty restroom.

after getting his fill of your tits in his mouth, he became too frustrated by the mere friction he felt at the grinding of your hips, opting instead to guide you into a kneeling position in front of him.

"you're gonna be a good girl and take care of the problem you caused, right, baby?", he looked down at you with indescribable lust in his gaze.

"yes, kwannie ... want it in my mouth so bad," you begged, licking at him through his pants while you gave him the prettiest eyes he'd ever seen.

in any other occasion, this would've had him on his knees, begging for your mouth around his dick and crying as he felt the barest touch, but today he had to prove a point.

"stop messing around and get my cock out. don't make me repeat myself," he didn't recognize himself as he ordered you around, but he liked the shudder he saw go through you at his demanding tone.

without complaint, you hurriedly undid his pants and brought his boxers down, immediately getting to work as you licked and kissed at his tip.

he threw his head back at your teasing, unable to reprimand you for it. it just felt so fucking good.

luckily for both you and him, this didn't last long. before even realizing it, you were already gagging on as much of his cock as you could get into your mouth, looking up at him with furrowed brows as you wordlessly begged him. he was confused as to what you were begging for at first, only realizing what you meant when you brought his hands behind your head, slightly making him push your head forward and- oh.

was this what you wanted? was this what you'd been after all along?

you wanted him to take control and use you for his pleasure. fuck.

he almost came at the realization, until realizing that he'd much rather cum after fucking your mouth until you cried.

he began pistoling his hips against your mouth, moaning as you let yourself become his pretty fleshlight while he groaned at both the sight and feeling. maybe you weren't a bad behaved girl after all. maybe all you wanted was him to take his frustrations out on you and use you like the pretty doll you were.

or at least he hoped this was the case, because he was already addicted.

"pretty thing ... oh, fuck. such a pretty thing for me to use, aren't you? gonna cum in your mouth, okay? gonna fill you up and you're gonna swallow it all for me, yeah?", he mumbled between moans, knowing his end would come faster than expected.

and he was right. his orgasm took over just moments later, with his hands dragging your head up and down his cock while his hips thrust into your awaiting mouth. he completely lost himself as his orgasm washed over him, making him lose all sense of his surroundings and almost disregard your gagging as he filled your mouth.

he pulled away moments after, crying out in painful pleasure when you still managed to suckle on his sensitive tip as he pulled himself out of your mouth.

he let himself fall down against the wall, now sitting at your level as he tried to catch his breath.

"i hate you," he groaned between breaths.

"yeah. i believe that. you just fucked my mouth like you wanted me dead," you chuckled as you also attempted to regulate your breathing.

"wasn't that what you wanted?", he quirked an eyebrow at you.

"maybe."

"you menace," he chuckled despite his words.

"you like it," you got close enough to him to land a sweet peck on his lips.

"i wont when we have to go out there and explain what we were doing this whole time."

"i got my fill of cock, nothing else matters."

he'd been completely wrong. you were absolutely not a well-behaved girl.

[jynjackets]

I’m sorry but you don’t understand. Andor audiences are accepting an indigenous-coded child kidnapping story because it was aesthetically pleasing.

It’s a story of how people rationalize that it was right to colonize us all along. “That there was no other choice,” that these people are “saving us” from a greater harm whether it’s from a larger threat or from ourselves. That there’s a “moral complexity” to white saviorism and where people gaslight us by asking “well should they have just left you there to die?” when the issue is infinitely more complex than that. That people will justify their own choices because they don’t understand me, or that my English wasn’t good enough. That we should be thankful and that’s “why Cassian loves Maarva.” Does a child ask their own parents to do better? No because the child will always blame themselves. Until they learn better on their own.

If there was real value to this, Cassian would learn to not blame himself so much. He would be more open to Maarva to understanding why she did what she did. He would push her, be allowed to beg for answers. Maarva herself would talk about it, maybe properly apologize. If none of these things happened Maarva shouldn’t be the hero that radicalizes her home planet, it would be the migrant that learned from his home culture what life is like under oppression and how to fight it. He would be doing his best to make sure that what happened to Kenari doesn’t happen to another home he has learned to love.

So im just supposed to accept horrific cultural trauma to be appropriated because it looks cool? I’m not mad at anyone for liking the show and appreciating the shoot and production. And who knows maybe I’ll go along with the gaslighting and convince myself this isn’t a big deal. But to hear people call this deep or nuanced or creative when it’s people’s literal entire lives, my own entire life, being shallowly represented for no apparent reason other than to justify an accent, it is so deeply disturbing.

I’ve taken so long to bring this up because Cassian has been a favorite since rogue one. And wrestling around my feelings with this show, I still feel so hurt.

[turtlesandfrogs]

I have a job in invasive species removal. Im trying to study on my own. But im not sure Where should i start? Its overwhelming tbh but since you also have ADHD im hoping you have a good perspective of where a good rounded starting point might be.

'Invasive species' is a pretty big category, and I'm not sure what aspect of it you're trying to study. It may be helpful to narrow in on what exactly you're wanting to learn. What species are invasive in your area? What species are most detrimental to the other species in your area? Ecosystem-specific removal strategies? The conceptualization of invasive species and how that effects how we interact with the ecosystems around us?

I would assume that who ever you're working for has given you a list of the invasive species/noxious weeds in your area, but in case they haven't (and for others reading) there should be a state/county/other local governmental body that maintains a list of the relevant plants in your area. For example, here's the one for my state:

https://www.nwcb.wa.gov/printable-noxious-weed-list

Narrowing down further, by county or city level is going to be more useful, depending on how diverse the ecosystems of your general area are. Like, I don't need to worry about a bunch of those plants, because they're adapted to the dry, hot side of the state, and they just don't compete here.

If you want to know which are having the biggest impact, well, learning to identify the species which are creating large monocultures, particularly if they're able to create monocultures in relatively undisturbed areas. Also looking up which animal species are struggling (threatened, endangered, etc), finding out what host plant(s) they use, and what those plants need to be successful may be useful. For example, Taylor's Checkspot is an endangered butterfly that needs prairie habitat, and depends on the (native) "harsh paintbrush (Castilleja hispida), marsh speedwell (Veronica scutellata), American brooklime (V. beccabunga)" and non-native "plantains (Plantago lanceolate and P. major) and thyme-leaved speedwell (V. serpyllifolia ssp. serpyllifolia)"*. So if you're in the area of that particular butterfly, you might want to leave the plantain and thyme-leaved speedwell, even though they're not native, depending on the local situation of host plants. Because a native and endangered butterfly depends on them. While also encouraging the native plants above and restoring prairie habitat in general.

As for creating a more nuanced perspective than "evil plant evil", here's a few things that broadened my prespective:

A talk called "Indigenous perspectives on invasive species" by Giniw Gary Pritchard, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pay6nAu62l8

A book titled "Beyond the War on Invasive Species A Permaculture Approach to Ecosystem Restoration" by Tao Orion

And this article:

With all of that said, I beg of you, and all people reading and going out and personally interacting with ecosystems, understand that it's a matter of nuance, complexity, care, locality, and on going tending. Different invasive species are different, and have different effects on the ecosystem. You can't just rip out invasive plants and expect that the native plants will automatically come back and dominate the ecosystem again. There's replanting, selective weeding, prescribed fire, habitat restoration and more and it's an on-going process, not a one and done thing. People have a real tendency to either decide that ALL non-native plants are bad and evil and no one should plant them (while ignoring all of agriculture) or deciding that invasive plants aren't a problem at all and we should just let them do their thing. Please find the middle path. Nuance!

*source: https://wdfw.wa.gov/species-habitats/species/euphydryas-editha-taylori#desc-range

[satorugojjo]

I’m just gonna say it, but I think current kids younger than 15 are almost incapable of dissecting anything with critical nuance. Because there is a HUGE difference to the 15 year olds BEFORE lockdown, and after. I’ve seen Gen Z teenagers on tiktok and tumblr have the most empathic, kind, amazingly supportive and intelligent opinions in 2020 who have now grown up and are in college absolutely killing it - they’ve gone into lockdown already having developed their emotional skills and come out of it with a lot more depth and growth. But YOU guys were 12 and younger when the pandemic started, you spent YEARS of it online without interacting with a wide variety of people and learning to read between the lines as you HAVE to in order to navigate the real world and peoples speech patterns and behaviours. You grew up alone in your house behind your screen, without being able to bond with classmates or friends, and most importantly, without anyone to temper your thoughts, or have rational and calm discussions in person. Half the teens I see on tiktok and tumblr NOW are so full of hate, so quick to put down and dismiss peoples choices, so quick to troll and voice really bizarrely conservative and ignorant opinions as if they’re entitled to do so, and so anti-empowerment and anti-ENJOYMENT in general. And I’m gonna be real with you and say it’s because of lockdown. It’s not entirely your fault bc y’all are still kids.

Your literature programs would have been cut, you’re just reading for the assignment, you’re not engaging in seminars and debates and classroom exercises the way you would in class, and all the while you’re just being increasingly exposed to sensationalist media that boils down complex and nuanced topics to a black and white, yes or no, 7 second hook. And it’s made you incapable of approaching anything with logic and empathy, because you just didn’t HAVE that the way everyone else did during their formative middle school puberty years. So now the moment you have a singular negative opinion of something, it’s all encompassing. There is no give, no flex, everyone is guilty until innocent. And why wouldn’t you think that? That’s what people have been doing online during the whole pandemic, cancelling people for 1 comment taken out of context, or being so quick to say something negative first instead of positive. You got comfortable behind your screen instead of being taught the consequences of saying shit things, and now when it comes to exploring all angles to a situation like you should be taught how to the way EVERYONE is, you take it at the most basic, surface, face value.

And when it now comes to fandom spaces where you have older fans in the same space as younger fans, there’s so many more instances where something will get an inordinate and undeserved amount of hate or hype based on a very surface level of understanding. Inherently, this isn’t a good or bad thing, it’s just a thing. What IS bad is when people come under someone’s obviously thought out and nuanced opinion to be like “you’re wrong for liking this bc (insert a completely unrelated logical fallacy of a reason)”. “If you like this book that happens to be a straight romance, you’re homophobic�� IT DOESNT WORK THAT WAY AND IM SICK AND TIRED OF ARGUING WITH PEOPLE WHO NEVER BOTHERED TO DEVELOP READING COMPREHENSION SKILLS EVEN AFTER FINDING OUT THEY DON’T HAVE ANY.

Please for the love of GOD I am begging you guys to learn how to analyze literature. Like in an enforced curriculum at a high school level way. Please. YOU will be better off for it, and in turn the rest of us. This isn’t the new wave of boomer-esque hate against the kids. Gen Z is the goddamn future!!! This is a very specific, very VALID gripe, about a very small subset of kids who spent their formative years chronically online. And please! I am BEGGING teachers to recognize this and help their kids out to fix this. There is already a lot of hate in this world and we don’t need a new wave of people spewing hate under the guise of pseudointellectual liberalism because they don’t know how to see any deeper. This is one of the main reasons puritanism in the younger generation is exponentially on the rise! We’ve taken away the ability for them to form a fully informed opinion, and it’s now a self serving spiral. BREAK OUT OF IT, I AM PLEADING.

[missingn000]

this is an incredibly random series of thoughts borne of me spinning tpg 42-4 around in my brain (as one does) i am so sorry for how disorganized this is going to get

[edit: i am so sorry for how long this got 😭😭]

“Taken over?” Nanami parrots, and he’s got a bad, bad feeling about this. “By what?”

it's so interesting that nanami uses 'what' rather than 'who' in tpg 42's first question about sukuna, because that framing kinda ties into the fact that until bullying sukuna club starts, the ff perceives him as a monster, a villain from a fairy tale -- and understandably so, because that's all his actions have shown. and this snippet reinforces this idea:

What can Nanami even say? Calling Sukuna a monster is beyond the word pointless.

because at this point, all sukuna is is the one who's nearly killed both his sons and his best friend's husband

“To hear the helpless screams of burning lungs, watching weak insects abandon others in attempt to save themselves...then of course, the really annoying ones try to save everyone.” Sukuna’s hyena grin turns bitter. “I hate heroes.”

OOOOH this is interesting. hold on im gonna talk/theorize more about this later

so. in 42 and 43, all we see are what sukuna says and does, tying into him being mostly framed as either a monster or a comic relief-type character/the butt of the joke; there are hints of sukuna's Tragic Backstory present, but they're fairly vague so far

and then. 44. aka the one where we actually get into sukuna's head. before i even begin pointing out specific quotes, it's so interesting how you've managed to completely flip the readers' perceptive on sukuna, from something that matches the ff's to a more nuanced? view, where the effects of the tragedy that made him who he is today are more clearly visible

Sukuna is stronger than him, of course, and their circumstances aren’t entirely alike, but they’re similar enough to make Sukuna’s skin crawl. And it’s not even his own skin.   The man is too naive. If he ain’t careful, history’s gonna repeat itself.

this terrifies me, but it's also making me think of some of the Backstory Theories from the tpg discord hmmmmmmm [sound of thoughts bouncing around my brain like the dvd logo]

‘He’s here! Everyone run! I’ll hold him off!’ ‘But you’ll die!’ ‘Just go!’

OHHHHHH this reminds me of this quote from getou pov in tpg 22:

‘Please,’ one of them had begged, clutching the hem of his crimson-soaked pants. ‘You can kill me, but please spare my son--’

which i think is particularly interesting for two reasons: 1) getou and sukuna parallels 2) idk if this was intentional (knowing you it probably was) but a significant portion of getou's arc past that point ^ has to do with his son, and his own concept of son-hood (is that a word 💀) in regards to both his birth parents and touji. is it possible that sukuna's backstory/future character development has to do with the concept of heroism?

DONT APOLOGIZEEEE I LOVE LONG COMMENTS AND LONG MESSAGES AND EVERYTHING especially when it's about sukuna. i could deadass talk about him for DAYS and it wouldnt be enough. hes my special.

anyway--

you hit on a lot of interesting points here!! framing sukuna as "what" rather than "who" in nanami's first question was deliberate, a way to contrast how unexpected sukuna's incarnation was. "who" usually indicates some degree of sentience or personification, something almost every curse severely lacks. so right off the bat, the fam wasn't ready for what was about to befall them.

nanami's perception of sukuna is exceptionally bad, especially since his sons were sukuna's major victims. but he realized that in order for toge to stop being afraid of his own brother, a somewhat, uh, unconventional approach would be necessary: thus, bullying sukuna club was born.

it's also important to note that despite treating him like a joke and laughing at his dramatic, violent declarations, the fam actually does still very much see him as a monster. they're doing this because they know it's the only way they can actually get to him, especially since fear and others' terrified perceptions of him are part of what makes him so damn strong. so they laugh at him because it's far better than the alternative -- that said, if one doesn't think about the fact that he's actually carried out the atrocities he colorfully monologues about, they are kinda funny.

.......aaaand then we see the inside of sukuna's head and realize oh no, this is an incredibly self-aware, sad, wet man who desperately needs a hug but would kill (almost) anyone who actually tried to give him one. yet there are still traces of that monster in his thoughts, since that's what Tragic Backstory made him become.

also aughh yeah, getou and sukuna parallels were DEFINITELY intentional. those two have a lot in common, and as 43 revealed there are many parallels with gojo too. you were right to pick up on the notes of sukuna's revulsion towards heroics: perhaps it's something he struggled with in the past. we shall see.......

while getou's redemption arc had much to do with atonement, i'd say sukuna's is about healing. this man has really, really been thru it. sometimes i wonder if his backstory is too sad but at this point we're in too deep

[evansbby]

duuude i just realized that since youre from the uk im not supposed to read your posts and answers with an american accent but a british one and thats messing with my brain rn omg please dont tell me you have a posh accent im literally begging

Bahahahah

My accent is kinda hybrid

Since I moved to the UK from Pakistan when I was 14!

But I didn’t want to get teased at school for my accent, so I adopted an American accent bc it was the easiest one to adopt.

But two years into schooling in the UK, I adopted the English accent 😂😂😂 and I think I do it well enough that people don’t realise I wasn’t born here!

But my accent changes depending on who I’m talking to! But my “outside” voice aka my school/work/phone voice is a British accent and it’s the London accent.

But not the road accent. The regular standard south english accent I guess??? Not posh though, but when I was working as a waitress and made friends with people who lived in the same area as me but went to different schools, they had different accents than me. They all spoke kinda road but I don’t. Idk if y’all will understand the nuance but I feel like the people who live in England will understand what I mean.

[trans-zhongli]

i think the discourse nuance here needs to be "a woman interested in BL/a man interested in GL is not an inherently bad thing, but it is important to criticize the rampant homophobia that does occur within fujoshi/(idk male equivalent) communities" but if you call out the homophobia you're called a racist and misogynist for criticizing a primarily female and asian fan base and if you defend the fan base you're called a homophobe and a fetishizer and like.

can i get some nuance? can i please get some nuance. im begging

like no it's literally not inherently bad to identify with a fan base or something you enjoy but we all need to be able to call out homophobia, racism, misogyny, lesbophobia, etc etc where it exists. BL fandoms have a lot of issues with stereotyping (top/bottom, gong/shou, uke/seme) and fetishizing asian men in particular that should NOT be ignored just because we're being nicer to fujoshis. while at the same time i've gained a better understanding lately of the origin of the term and culture around it, and i no longer inherently take issue with someone being a fujoshi even if it's kind of bad vibes to use the term.

just from my own perspective what i've seen is a severe straight-ifying of gay relationships in BL fandom, which is absolutely homophobic, such as assigning personality based on sex position or assigning sex position based on personality. it's extremely common to find actual heated discourse between two people who like the same ship but simply disagree on who tops or bottoms. which is homophobic. like i said, im only just starting to see the origins and stuff behind BL fandom, and it's also obviously not universal or inherent to be a weirdo simply because you are a woman who likes BL. but none of the criticism against the fandom that i have personally seen has been about the fact that it's mostly women and comes from japanese fan culture. it's ALWAYS pointing out, rightfully, the homophobic stereotyping that occurs in those spaces, as well as (a possibly vocal minority of) fans who are genuinely homophobic in real life and only like gay men as sex objects and do not respect them as people.

don't remember what my point was. just have some thinking pls

[sallysetoncore]

okay so. saw les miserables tonight for the first time in five fucking years (which. okay so i'm 22. and in the last fifteen years. i have seen les miserables 8 times. so the fact that there was a five year gap in that is crazy) and like. in 2020 i got like. more into it than i ever have before. like it's been my favorite musical since i was seven but . in 2020 i read the book and i got like. genuinely a little unwell about it.

and that insanity kind of . ended in 2021/22 for a handful of reasons but also basically immediately became insanity about supernatural. which then has kind of died down at the end of 2023.

so. 2024. what's good? um. well. i basically moved and got a new job that became 99% of my life and. i don't know how to put this with any nuance but basically for the last six months i have been dramatically less transgender than usual. to a point of questioning if i was right to come out as nonbinary in the first place because i have been feeling so much like . Diet Woman. or "girl with they/them pronouns". but part of that is like, getting she/hered exclusively despite telling everyone my pronouns are they/them, and being in a place that is not exactly good about trans people (floridaaaaa). in the last six months, i have met exactly . four. out trans people. and i'm only like mildly close to one of them? so i just. i haven't been having the same irl community and support system i got very used to having in 2022/23.

and . god there's no way to say this without sounding like. cringe. so please fucking bare with me. but my connection to les miserables and my connection to supernatural both are HUGELY tied to gender, for me. the characters are mostly men. the romances i care about are mostly between men. like i am really, really captivated by Les Amis, right, the fucking 8 or so dudes in les mis. i want like, a brotherhood like that. and whatever the fuck team free will has going on, right? and these works . are sometimes comfortable to me in that way. bc when i write fic or whatever like. i get to be that guy. i get to have that connection. but it's also like. really uncomfortable to me bc then i have to get off of tumblr and close google docs and go back to being like. a fucking pretty girl. which i AM sometimes. so like. fucking there's no solution.

and like, also, these are not two medias that are like. popular with your average person. like they know what they ARE but it's not like. i know like one person down here crazy about les mis and one person crazy about supernatural but. not necessarily in the same way (both cisgender women; bisexual, but like, not reading the subtext the same way i am which is fine!!! they don't have to!!! but you understand).

and so like i keep joking about how a supernatural rewatch or getting really into les mis again would like fix me but it's also making me worse bc it's fucking painful. like this is so dumb but im like, watching the guy playing grantaire tonight and thinking. yeah i will never fucking look like that or get to play this role professionally. i MIGHT be able to beg a really progressive community theatre who doesn't have enough guys to let me play him some day but like. the biggest fucking shift in anything queer in les mis is the fact that they changed the line "there goes a prince / there goes a jew / this one's a queer / but what can you do?" to "this one's a queer / guess i'll try it too" and then thenardier fucking DIPS this dude and snarls at him??? like okay. gay rights i guess but. if it took like thirty years for that to happen. it's gonna be forever until they cast trans people in the way that i want them to.

[borom1r]

1, 3, 13 bestie

u didn’t specify which fandom so im just gonna do SAW bc i have the most opinions abt it 💞

1) the character everyone gets wrong

Eric Adam and Lawrence. all 3. like sorry peace and love individual interpretation is valid etc etc etc but also if u looked at Adam thru any point in SAW and said “yes that man would definitely become a cult disciple” you are fundamentally mistaken. same 2 anyone who argues it was out of character for Lawrence to BECOME one. like sorry babes clearly you’re missing very important character moments IN THE FIRST FILM

and I think Leigh himself said it best when he said he was surprised ppl sympathized more with John than Eric. like sorry some of this fandom has the reading comprehension of a 2nd grader who can’t handle nuance and morally flawed protagonists but IM different. *I* understand him.

3) screenshot or description of the worst take you've seen on tumblr

this is so hard bc I barely interact w the SAW fandom anymore and my memory is dogshit but the absolute funniest was when someone vagued me bc I ID as Adam by going “the REAL Adam wouldn’t want to fuck Eric Matthews” like sorry I’m a fag with questionable taste he picked a cigarette off the ground and kept smoking it and I fell in love 🙄 (also worstie he’s not a real person. please I’m begging tumblr fandoms learn nuance challenge)

13) worst blorboficiation

ADAM!!!!!! the amount of ppl who woobify him to an extreme degree esp at the expense of Lawrence having ANY character is so frustrating. Adam is a damsel in distress ONLY and Lawrence has ZERO trauma bc he HAS to baby Adam constantly. this is the only way their dynamic can work, obviously (sarcasm)

[ravewing]

EXACTLY. nobody is glorifying him. NOBODY is making him out to be a perfect awesome hero. we KNOW about his character flaws, we know that he has issues, we know that he has trauma, we know that he has 'problematic behavior,' in your words.

i have explained time and time again WHY i believe he acts the way he does. hell, it's literally IN THE BOOKS. quite frankly i dont feel like searching for the quotes again but if you want them anon, theyre on my page.

i like flame BECAUSE he isn't one-dimensional, because he isn't this perfect angel and because he has nuance. thats what makes a CHARACTER.

also?? what "messed up power dynamics" and "toxic culture he thrives in" are you talking about?? genuinely i want to know because honestly it seems like you pulled that out of nowhere. anon please elaborate because to be frank with you i have no idea where you got those from.

anon i want you to look me dead in the eyes and tell me when someone hasn't held him accountable. tell me when someone made him out to be this flawless perfect angel. nobody is turning a blind eye to his actions.

the whole 'defending his every move' thing. we don't. there are SOME things that he's done that i can defend but a lot of what i do with his character is EXPLAIN why he acts the way he does. that's different from defending. there is a reason why he has so much self-hatred, there is a reason why he is prone to violence, there is a reason why he is always angry. a lot of the time he does bad things because he doesn't really have a choice in the matter.

i just woke up and im half asleep so this isnt a perfect response but anon i beg of you tell me one fan who is making flame out to be a "precious skywing idol." if you want to understand why i like him, i have plenty of paragraphs explaining his character and why i believe he acts the way he does and how he's more multi-layered than most people assume he is.

also its kind of funny how this is the second anon going all out against flame fans when nobody says ANYTHING about people who like other nuanced characters like fierceteeth or pike or peril or anemone or freedom or onyx or moray or nautilius or ANY character who isn't a straight-up perfect 'good guy.' idk maybe im tweaking out but it feels a little targeted

So... Flame. Sure, fans love to hype him up as this big, bold skywing hero, but let's be real here: he's got some major issues. Like, dude's ego is huge, and he's got this whole superiority complex that's just not cute. But what's even worse? Some fans eat it up, totally ignoring how his behavior reinforces all these messed-up power dynamics.

And don't even get me started on his fanbase. They're just as problematic as he is, if not more. They defend his every move, no matter how shady, and attack anyone who dares to call him out. It's like they're blind to his flaws or just don't care because he's their precious skywing idol. But here's the thing: turning a blind eye to Flame's problematic behavior only perpetuates the toxic culture he thrives in. We need to hold both him and his fans accountable if we ever want to see real change in the wof fandom.

I've got to be honest, you need to breathe in, breathe out, and chill out.

Also, "Messed up power dynamics" where are you getting that from. Was the messed up power dynamic when he was under Morrowseer's control because of the false prophecy, or when he was (possibly) forced by Darkstalker to kill Stonemover? He's never been in a true positon of power, and though he has done bad things, its never been because of the power he holds over others - in fact, it is that he feels like he lacks power that causes him to do what he does.

Same thing with the "toxic culture he thrives in". It's not like Flame lives in a patriarchal society where he abuses a girlfriend and that's why he's a villain and should be "held accountable". He tried to kill a dragon because he got mad that the dragon wouldn't heal his face. It's not that complex.

Sorry for inserting my opinion so much into this. I try and stay objective and let people come to their own conclusions on my posts, but this just made me really confused and annoyed.

[billyzigz-moved]

I saw like 3 anti saccharina posts that were like “I’m not anti saccharina but-!!”, got upset, wrote out a text post, drafted that text post, saw 3 posts that supported what I typed out, calmed down, and now I am just sitting here.

[sanzuphobe]

im so fucking pissed about people saying that “saying queer is a slur is TERF rhetoric” with absolutely no nuance because youre literally calling people violent transphobes for not wanting cishets to call them a word that has historically been used to victimize LGBT+ people. youre literally countering people’s rights not to be called a word that they may have trauma around, by asserting them as someone who is bigoted toward their own community? thats literally so vile

[shiraru]

i think the reading comprehension skill on twitter is worse than on tumblr because of threads

[ms-andrie]

Okay but i really hate to be this person but why do you think that people are more understanding of cult survivours than abuse victims. Because I promise you, people are not magically more understanding of your situation if the abuse occurred in a group setting.

I really do not think they are comparable in the way where you can say for certain one gets more backlash than the other. There are abuse victims that are given a lot of sympathy. There are ex cult members who get treated with unreal hatred. The opposite is also true, but i dont think its the type of thing you can make declarative statements out of. People hate both groups. They hate both! And sometimes one person will hate one group more than the other, or be tolerant towards one, but i promise you, whether you were in a cult of 1 or a cult of many, people have a great deal of disdain for you regardless.

I really hate to say this but y'all fundamentally do not understand the experience of cult survivours. I think radblr understands what it means to be an abused woman. That is an experience that is impossible to not be educated on in this space. But cults? Yeah, nah. Thats different. Abusive relationships are like a cult of one, thats very true. But being in a cult is... Like i cannot describe to you what that situation is like. And i cannot concretely put into words how you are treated by people -- both when you are in, and when you are out. At least the average person recognises that an abused woman is in a bad situation. The average person thinks someone in a cult is just fucking nutso. Playing stupid games, winning stupid prizes. That kind of thing.

And i dont know. Maybe you have lived experience in this area, and you're making a comment based on your perceptions and understanding of how you were treated. I dunno! This is tumblr and anyone can say anything and i have no idea what the context of your life is. But im also speaking out of context from my life. There is very little love for people who've escaped cults. there is even less love for the people trapped in them.

And i get that what youre trying to say is that the two are analogous situations, and its definitely worth analysing. But saying theres more contempt for abused women is just. Im sorry but that is an incredibly broad generalisation. And i dont think that is the case. I think any attempt to quantify who gets more contempt is just completely off base. Its like saying that because apples are associated with keeping doctors away, and oranges are not, liking apples is better for you. Like. It just doesnt make sense. I dont get why we're trying to say one is better or worse than the other.

Please. Nuance. I beg of you.

people are often condescending to members of cults and other high-control groups but never to the degree that they are to women in abusive relationships. even tho imo the situations are similar enough for useful comparison. people might say "well EYE would never be involved in a cult because i'm just too smart" but they don't view cult members with the same contempt they view abused women. and the contempt for abused women is so strong that even when a victim is also a victim of religious indoctrination the response is "well, she still could have left" yeah left and risked violence from her husband, abandoning her kids, alienation from her family and community, very little ability to make an income, the fear of going to hell. believe it or not but external circumstances limit people's ability to make free choices. crazy i know.

[lunaticsandidiots]

hi! i have read most of your adrian thoughts and i just love them so much. i was wondering if you had any thoughts of adrian with a s/o who is asexual. i rarely see asexual content, even less for my boy adrian☹️

neptune hi! thank you angel! im so glad ur loving them, because (as you can see) i have a concerning amount of thoughts a out adrian.

and while i’m not asexual myself, and definitely don’t know every nuance about it (and also i know it is a spectrum so different people feel differently about different things at different times) i do have a few more general thoughts on how he’d be n i feel honoured to provide some content for all my ace baddies <3

adrian with an asexual s/o…

ok first up fuck my life, i SWEAR i saw an adrian HC today that said something along the lines of ‘he honestly wouldn’t be that bothered about sex’, which is what sort of made my brain go 💡 (please i beg if you know who this was pleaaaaaaaase lmk i wanna credit them!)

obviously i write often about what a nasty guy he can be, but i think that his very blunt, simple, one-track way of thinking means that like… if he ends up with a partner who’s asexual, i dont think he’d really think about it much at all?

like he’d truly be no thoughts head empty about it. he wants to be with you, you make each other happy, that’s just the way that you guys are, and thats that. literally end of thought process. i don’t think he’d notice.

i think it was ever discussed, it’d be because you wanted to talk to him about it and get him to understand, and i think he’d just listen and ask questions (they might be a bit blunt to start out with but it’s out of pure curiosity).

maybe he’d bring it up if chris was going on and on and on about what he gets up to in his free time.

but i think it would be more of a completely innocent observation. truly just like a ‘chris kept talking about all the stuff he does and its so funny because we’re best friends forever and so similar like we’re the same person but thats like the one thing we have different. anyway babe did you want takeout for dinner?’

(especially because i HC him as ND/autistic, due to the fact that your intimacy has always taken the form of gentle touches and loving embraces and words of affirmation, that’s what he’s used to and that’s what he expects, nothing less, nothing more. ‘thats just the way that is, and that’s how we like it’ is the only way i can describe how he thinks about it)

you spend your nights watching movies or trying to bake or holding each other close and talking absolute nonsense for hours on end, it’s the thing he looks forward to every single day - you’re his safe place.

if you did ever want to try something, or you liked to do stuff occasionally, i think you would just have to communicate really clearly so he knows where you’re coming from and what your boundaries are, but once he got it, he would get it.

(i hope these were kinda what you were looking for? thank u for popping into my inbox angel!! hehe <3)

[softlyfiercely]

im sorry i couldn't let this go, i've seen this come across my dashboard THREE TIMES NOW and you all need to grow some critical thinking skills, please, i am begging you...anyway i just screenshotted this cause i really don't wanna get into it with anyone but this is the stupidest most ignorant thing i've read regarding religion in a long ass time.

placing this under a cut to be polite and save everyone's dashboards - I'm a Jew who converted to Christianity, so i guess my Jewish desire to be polite and considerate managed to override my christian religious mandate to be an asshole on this day...you're welcome everyone

first of all, judaism is a culture and faith that is six thousand years old, and christianity is two thousand years old, and both have spanned entire continents, so it is impossible for any quick rambly tumblr post to be able to remotely capture the reality and nuances of either one.

for example! claiming that in "judaism," divorce is totally accepted and acknowledged and women are free to just up and leave their man and it's some kind of feminist utopia is laughably bullshit! structures of patriarchal oppression use Jewish divorce law to control women - there's even a word, agunah, which means "chained woman." there are currently, as you read this, Jewish women in America who are trapped in this system, and it often leads to all sorts of violence and other nonsense!

also...the story of Leah and Rachel and Jacob is part of Jewish scripture and it isn't exactly a "rah rah women aren't men's property" moment, is it? it's almost like this is a complex subject with lots of nuance!

what about christianity? this brilliant theological scholar claims that divorce is a sin in christianity, just, flat out, period, end of sentence. it's good and allowed in judaism but bad and forbidden in christianity. is that true? of course not!!! most contemporary branches of christianity currently recognize divorce and accept divorced members in their congregation. Jesus is cited multiple times in the Gospels making statements about marriage and divorce that are, let's say...open to interpretation (see Matthew 5, Matthew 19, John 4). hell, we have an entire branch of christianity that partly started because some dude really, really wanted to divorce his wife.

so it makes no sense to say that judaism is totes cool with divorce but christianity is super mean about it. in reality, both religions have believers who use their laws/traditions to oppress women and uphold patriarchal structures, and followers of both religions have found their way to more progressive understandings of marriage and divorce.

also, love the citation of "puritans" as an example of what "christianity" is. puritanism was a small, radical offshoot of christianity - they were run out of entire countries, as you may remember, for being weird and extra about stuff. plus puritanism only appeared in the 1500s, so christianity had been bopping around developing some other theology for a while until then. and while much of american christianity can be traced back to puritan roots, you won't exactly find many practicing "puritans" running around in the 21st century.

so using "puritans" as the platonic example of What Christianity Is just makes no historical sense. if you want to talk about puritan ideas, go ahead. if you want to compare puritan thought to a specific era or sect of Jewish thought, that would be interesting! but you can't just say "some dudes in the 1600s did stuff, and that's what all christians do and believe"

it is also absurd to claim that christian faith makes no room for questioning. again, this person seems to be either citing very specific contemporary evangelical attitudes, or ahistorical caricatures, as a broad strokes representation of a 2000 year old, global religion. in fact, there's been a LOT of excellent christian thought and writing about wrestling with God, struggling with doubt, and asking questions. don't believe me? check out this overview in a popular contemporary christian publication.

also, it's silly to say that asking questions or challenging one's faith is 100% encouraged and accepted at all times "in judaism." google "off the derech" or check out some of these sources. Neither christianity or judaism, as a whole, is a pure perfect innocent cinnamon roll uwu of a religion.

the thing is that people use religion and religious institutions for their own purposes. power, wealth, control, etc. they will use the one most convenient and relevant to their purposes. it is not a feature unique to christianity.

and i can't even TOUCH that last bit. the notion that everything we find yucky about various historical iterations of christianity were nowhere until a bunch of jesus freaks just thought them up? what??? the idea that the entirety of christian thought and belief came about because some Very Nasty People just woke up one day and decided to be cruel and destructive? are you for real???

that's not...how things work. that's not how anything works. you are not "stating the obvious" because you are making such an absurdly false statement that it just...have you ever read, like, a book?

the history of western christianity is thousands of years long, and it includes hundreds of different influences, from plague epidemics to corrupt rulers, and there have always been a ton of people writing, thinking, talking, and arguing about what it means to follow Jesus.

there is a LOT of christian thought and history that does exactly what this person claims never happens in christianity - celebrates the body, honors the dignity of every person, upholds joy and pleasure as sacred, etc. OP i think is referring to the ideas of thomas aquinas who was JUST ONE DUDE in the 1200s and does not represent everything that every christian has ever believed, done, or taught. check out the writings of St. Teresa of Avila, Gerard Manley Hopkins, or Julian of Norwich.

there are some christian practices and beliefs that arose from people's good faith efforts to follow a loving God. there are some that arose from people in power trying to cling to their own privilege. and most of them come from a combination of both! guess what - this is also true of judaism! turns out, both christianity AND judaism have really messy, complicated, nuanced backgrounds! one is not just a bunch of people saying Let's All Be Cool And Make The World Nice And Good vs. a competing bunch of people going Let's All Be Dicks And Ruin Everything. that makes no sense! think about the things that you are saying!!!

if you're curious about this, or if you want to be able to have a more nuanced opinion about whatever you think "christianity" is, i'd recommend a book called Christianity, Social Tolerance, and Homosexuality. It's a great place to start for an in depth, heavily sourced study of exactly how christian thought about a specific issue changed, developed, and solidified. there, you'll see that there is no way to summarize what "christianity" does, believes, or says, because it's wide ranging and ever changing. you'll also see that certain problematic attitudes or beliefs don't just spring up because Christians Are Assholes, but because of competing pressures and influences from inside and outside the church.

if you want a free copy of that book, PM me and I will send you one. seriously. even if you hate christianity, had terrible personal experiences with a contemporary church, etc. it's a great read. there are sexy love letters between gay monks. im serious.