#to br honest i wouldnt be all that surprised if this was the same as the last flame anon

[ravewing]

EXACTLY. nobody is glorifying him. NOBODY is making him out to be a perfect awesome hero. we KNOW about his character flaws, we know that he has issues, we know that he has trauma, we know that he has 'problematic behavior,' in your words.

i have explained time and time again WHY i believe he acts the way he does. hell, it's literally IN THE BOOKS. quite frankly i dont feel like searching for the quotes again but if you want them anon, theyre on my page.

i like flame BECAUSE he isn't one-dimensional, because he isn't this perfect angel and because he has nuance. thats what makes a CHARACTER.

also?? what "messed up power dynamics" and "toxic culture he thrives in" are you talking about?? genuinely i want to know because honestly it seems like you pulled that out of nowhere. anon please elaborate because to be frank with you i have no idea where you got those from.

anon i want you to look me dead in the eyes and tell me when someone hasn't held him accountable. tell me when someone made him out to be this flawless perfect angel. nobody is turning a blind eye to his actions.

the whole 'defending his every move' thing. we don't. there are SOME things that he's done that i can defend but a lot of what i do with his character is EXPLAIN why he acts the way he does. that's different from defending. there is a reason why he has so much self-hatred, there is a reason why he is prone to violence, there is a reason why he is always angry. a lot of the time he does bad things because he doesn't really have a choice in the matter.

i just woke up and im half asleep so this isnt a perfect response but anon i beg of you tell me one fan who is making flame out to be a "precious skywing idol." if you want to understand why i like him, i have plenty of paragraphs explaining his character and why i believe he acts the way he does and how he's more multi-layered than most people assume he is.

also its kind of funny how this is the second anon going all out against flame fans when nobody says ANYTHING about people who like other nuanced characters like fierceteeth or pike or peril or anemone or freedom or onyx or moray or nautilius or ANY character who isn't a straight-up perfect 'good guy.' idk maybe im tweaking out but it feels a little targeted

So... Flame. Sure, fans love to hype him up as this big, bold skywing hero, but let's be real here: he's got some major issues. Like, dude's ego is huge, and he's got this whole superiority complex that's just not cute. But what's even worse? Some fans eat it up, totally ignoring how his behavior reinforces all these messed-up power dynamics.

And don't even get me started on his fanbase. They're just as problematic as he is, if not more. They defend his every move, no matter how shady, and attack anyone who dares to call him out. It's like they're blind to his flaws or just don't care because he's their precious skywing idol. But here's the thing: turning a blind eye to Flame's problematic behavior only perpetuates the toxic culture he thrives in. We need to hold both him and his fans accountable if we ever want to see real change in the wof fandom.

I've got to be honest, you need to breathe in, breathe out, and chill out.

Also, "Messed up power dynamics" where are you getting that from. Was the messed up power dynamic when he was under Morrowseer's control because of the false prophecy, or when he was (possibly) forced by Darkstalker to kill Stonemover? He's never been in a true positon of power, and though he has done bad things, its never been because of the power he holds over others - in fact, it is that he feels like he lacks power that causes him to do what he does.

Same thing with the "toxic culture he thrives in". It's not like Flame lives in a patriarchal society where he abuses a girlfriend and that's why he's a villain and should be "held accountable". He tried to kill a dragon because he got mad that the dragon wouldn't heal his face. It's not that complex.

Sorry for inserting my opinion so much into this. I try and stay objective and let people come to their own conclusions on my posts, but this just made me really confused and annoyed.