#page 6082

[pesterloglog]

Vriska Serket, Meenah Peixes, Aradia Megido, John Egbert, Aranea Serket

Act 6, page 6082-6093

VRISKA: OHHHHHHHH NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

VRISKA: OH FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

VRISKA: WE'RE G8ING TO LOOK AT WH8T'S IN THIS CH8ST RIGHT N8W!!!!!!!!

VRISKA: DO YOU HE8R ME Y8U F8CK?

VRISKA: I D8DN'T SCRAPE AND CLAW MY W8Y 8ACK TO RELEV8NCE F8R THIS SHIT!

VRISKA: I'M DOING S8METHING F8CKING IMPORTANT! AND WHEN I DO SOMETH8NG FUCKING IMPORT8NT, EVERY88DY 8ETTER D8MN WELL PAY ATT8NTION TO ME!!!!!!!!

MEENAH: (wut)

ARADIA: :D

VRISKA: YOU DON'T TH8NK I'M ON TO YOU 8Y NOW? AS IF I C8N'T SENSE WH8N SOME SORT OF 8ULLFUCKERY IS AFOOT????????

VRISKA: YOU DON'T THINK 8'M WISE TO YO8R FUCKING G8MES????????

JOHN: (who's she talking to?)

ARANEA: ::::?

ARADIA: :D

VRISKA: GO AHEAD! TRY AND FUCK W8TH US SOME M8RE!

VRISKA: MAKE MY D8Y YOU PI8CE OF SHIT!

VRISKA: EVERYONE HERE WANTS TO KNOW WH8T'S IN THIS CHEST, SO THAT'S EX8CTLY WHAT THEY'RE GONNA SEE!

VRISKA: THERE'S PRO8A8LY SOME IDEAL WAY FOR ME TO REVEAL THIS THING TO M8KE IT SEEM AS COOL AS POSSI8LE, 8UT Y8U KNOW WHAT!

VRISKA: I DON'T GIVE A F8CK!!!!!!!!

VRISKA: I'M JUST G8NNA DUMP IT OUT ON THE FLOOR RIGHT HERE AND NOW!

VRISKA: THERE!

VRISKA: FUCKING TH8RE!!!!!!!!

VRISKA: TAAAAAAAA DAAAAAAAA!

VRISKA: W8W WILL YOU LOOK AT TH8T!

VRISKA: IT'S THE FUCK8NG TREASURE!

VRISKA: LOOKS LIKE SOME K8ND OF HUMAN HOUSE SHAPED THING! H8LY SHIT, DIDN'T SEE THAT C8MING!!!!!!!!

VRISKA: NOW EVERYONE HOLD YOUR FUCKING H8RSES WHILE I ARTLESSLY EXPLAIN SOME MORE SHIT A8OUT IT!

VRISKA: WOOOOOOOO! HERE FUCKING G8ES!

VRISKA: AFTER THE GUY USED IT THAT ONE TIME, IT 8ECAME TOTALLY INTANGI8LE! SO WE CAN'T TOUCH IT OR PICK IT UP!

VRISKA: THAT'S WHY WE 8ROUGHT ARADIA ALONG! SO SHE CAN MAKE IT LEVIT8 OR WHATEVER!

VRISKA: IF WE 8RING IT NEAR HIM IT'S SUPPOSED TO ACTIV8 AGAIN OR SOMETHING! THAT'S HOW YOU USE IT AS A WEAPON I GUESS!

VRISKA: 8UT THAT'S ALL I KNOW!!!!!!!!

VRISKA: THERE! YOU LIKE TH8T YOU FUCK?

VRISKA: DO YOU LIKE HOW I JUST TOOK THE FUCKING PISS OUT OF TH8T COOL MYSTERIOUS TREASURE! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

VRISKA: DO YOU LIKE GETTING OWNED????????

VRISKA: 8ECAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU JUST GOT! OWNED!!!!!!!!

VRISKA: SO WHY DON'T YOU SUCK IT!

VRISKA: SUUUUUUUUCK........

VRISKA: IIIIIIIIT!!!!!!!!

VRISKA: *Huff puff.*

JOHN: ...

MEENAH: ...

ARANEA: ...

ARADIA: :D

JOHN: ok, i'm not sure what that crazy outburst was about.

JOHN: i think i'll just let that one go.

JOHN: but you say this little house thing is intangible?

VRISKA: Yes.

JOHN: so i can't touch it?

VRISKA: Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's what intangi8le means!

JOHN: what happens if i try?

VRISKA: I dunno if I would do that if I were you.

JOHN: i'm not too worried.

JOHN: this is just my dream hologram self, or some nonsense.

JOHN: how many times has meenah stabbed me with her fork?

MEENAH: (not enough blue stooge)

MEENAH: (not enough by a nautical mile)

JOHN: and i always wake up fine!

VRISKA: It's not just a8out you, John.

VRISKA: This is a very powerful juju. You'd 8e messing with some forces we don't fully understand.

ARADIA: sounds like a dare to me

VRISKA: Oh my god.

VRISKA: Alright, whatever. I'll 8e fucked if suddenly I'm gonna 8e the lone voice of prudence and sound judgment in our 8adass pir8 clu8.

VRISKA: If you really wanna plunge your fist through some sort of hole in reality, then 8e my guest!

[thatstheproblemwithnapkinman]

new fic time

you can read it below the cut here on tumblr or over on ao3

I'm Stuck in this Life, and I'm Stuck in these Pants

Rating:

Not Rated

Archive Warning:

Creator Chose Not To Use Archive Warnings

Category:

Gen

Fandoms:

Batman - All Media Types

Justice League - All Media Types

Relationship:

Dick Grayson & Bruce Wayne

Characters:

Bruce Wayne

Dick Grayson

Clark Kent

Justice League (DCU)

Additional Tags:

Emotional Hurt/Comfort

its crack and hurt/comfort so have fun with that

enjoy the whiplash

no beta we die like jason todd

Dick Grayson Needs a Hug

Dick Grayson Gets a Hug

Dick Grayson joins the Justice League

Hurt Dick Grayson

Dick Grayson Has Eldest Daughter Syndrome

Probably ooc

Bruce Wayne is Trying to be a Good Dad

One Shot

Language: English

Summary:

"Do you want me to join the League?" The League would assume it was an open question, but Bruce knew it was directed at him. This moment was in complete contrast to years of conversations about protecting their identities and keeping their former partnership a secret. He needed to speak up.

"You are one of the best, you deserve the right to choose." He responded, consciously keeping his voice in Batman mode.

aka Dick get chosen to join the League but before he does he has to face his inner demons

Notes:

this started as a crack fic and became hurt/comfort so be aware, it's also the longest single chapter work i have every written at 6082 which is short for some people but me and my adhd tried no beta reader obviously so any mistakes are there for good now. i did a sweep but again, it's tagged and i've warned you so no telling me i spelt something wrong or used the wrong version of there ok *points at you*

Bruce had been working with the Justice League for over a decade, taking solo heroes and turning them into a team. They knew each other's strengths and weaknesses and can bounce off of one another during combat. It took time but they truly were a single unit. He's proud of what they have accomplished.

The rest of the League weren't on the same page. Sure, they all worked well together, but then there's Batman. He kept to himself, was never on the watchtower when he wasn't needed, constantly avoided talking about himself, and looked like he hated being with them. After years of working together, everyone had revealed their identities, some by choice, some accidental. Everyone but Batman. No one in the League knew who he was. They knew very little about him, other than that he's completely human (probably) and that he's from gotham. He doesn't even let them in his city, with strict rules about them working there. something about "human rogues" and "dangerous for supers". They disagreed with the rule, but without explicit permission from him, they couldn't enter. And no one was about to argue with him.

The time had come to propose new members for the League. Everyone was allowed to submit up to one person to join, and unless there were any serious objections, they would put it to a vote and the person with the most votes would join the League, provided they wanted to of course. But no one had ever turned down their offer before, who would refuse to join the Justice League?

The majority of the League didn't put anyone forward. Barry had suggested Wally, not as a new member but as his replacement given he was looking to retire from the hero game, and given that Wally had left the Titans recently, was available. Batman had said that would be discussed separately at a second meeting as replacements were a different conversation. No one had spoken otherwise, until the nominations got around to Superman.

"I do have a nomination this year. I've worked with this person a lot and I believe they would be an excellent addition to the League. They have been in the game for almost 10 years and protect an entire city on their own. He truly is one of the best."

A chill went down his spine and Bruce suppressed a shudder. That could apply to multiple people, a lot of heroes have been around for a while. But very few were responsible for a city, and there was only one person he knew that was close with Superman.

“I nominate Nightwing for the League."

Honestly, he was surprised it took this long for Dick to get nominated. He was one of the most capable heroes out there, having worked alongside the League before as both an independent hero and as the leader of the Titans. He worked well with others, as Bruce would know given he was Robin for a decade. He trusted no one more in the world. Batman fought well with the League, but he was constantly thinking about how to work with their moves. watching himself and others, predicting what they would do so he could make sure he wasn't interfered with. But with Nightwing he could just fight. They knew exactly how the other would move, and on instinct could follow through. He knew they would both protect each other.

"...Batman?" Superman broke him out of thought

"Hn"

"Do you object?"

Having him on the team would mean he wasn't alone. He had someone there that immediately understood his plan and was much better at communicating with the others. He would be a bridge, a bridge that provided support for everyone. Bruce would also have an excuse to work with him more. He did sometimes miss the conversations they would have in the field, the snarky jabs at rouges, the smile on his face whenever he managed to make Bruce laugh.

But having Dick on the team put them at risk. It wouldn't be too hard for the League to figure out that they knew each other. They could dig and find a connection to Gotham and then to everyone else. Maybe something he'd say would cause a memory to resurface for one of them, a memory of Batman during the time when Dick wore the cowl, and they could see that Nightwing happened to disappear during that time. It was too risky.

He opened his mouth to object, but no sound came out. Dick had taught him a lot, one of which was to trust him. Dick was his own hero now, and he could weigh up the decision. He deserved the chance.

"No."

"Ok then, as no one else was nominated, that negates voting. Batman, could you give him watchtower access and request him?"

Trying to figure out how he could manage this, he got up and moved over to the console on the side. Dick had watchtower access, they all did, but he went through the process of giving it anyway, all it did was throw you a message saying they already had it, which Bruce dismissed. That was the easy part. bracing himself, he tuned into the comms.

"Oracle."

"What's up batman?" Babs always cloaked her voice, even on the bat exclusive channels, but he could still make out her speech pattern and a sliver of her accent.

"I need you to relay to Nightwing that he is requested in the watchtower."

"Y- yeah." The surprise wasn't hidden at all. "Everything ok? Do you need me to send it to anyone else?"

"No."

"Right, I'll let him know." Static on the line told Bruce that Dick was in the same room and they were discussing it. He was in Gotham that night, helping out while Bruce was with the League, and must have stopped into the watchtower. "Yeah, ok, he's on his way now."

Bruce hung up. He felt bad not thanking her but he had an image to uphold. The League all thought oracle was an AI program, and it would be weird. Not for someone like Clark, who would thank automatic doors half the time. But Batman? People would be worried.

He'd barely made it back to the table when the zeta-tube whirred to life.

"Entering, Nightwing, B-01"

"Wait, hold up, there's a B?"

"I know he isn't Titan anymore but weren't they T?"

"That was really fast, like he was expecting it..."

Bruce tuned them out and turned to face his former partner, now only a few feet away.

"So... why exactly was I requested?"

Complete confidence in his voice. If Bruce didn't know him, he would assume he was comfortable. But he could see the minor tension held in his chest, the way he rubbed his thumb along the side of his index finger, how his footsteps were almost silent to not disturb. Dick was confused, curious, and concerned.

Superman stood up. "We held nominations for a new member, and your name was put forward. We deliberated and would like to extend an invitation to join the League."

Dick stood there. He was completely still and looked in shock, and was staring directly at Bruce. They could see each other's eyes behind their dominoes thanks to the lenses in them, so he could see Dicks locked onto him, narrowed as if to ask 'what the hell is going on?'. If he hadn't opened his mouth, Bruce would've walked over to check on him.

"Do you want me to join the League?" The League would assume it was an open question, but Bruce knew it was directed at him. This moment was in complete contrast to years of conversations about protecting their identities and keeping their former partnership a secret. He needed to speak up.

"You are one of the best, you deserve the right to choose." He responded, consciously keeping his voice in Batman mode.

He was so proud of what Dick had become. He'd outgrown Robin, had gone far beyond what Batman could be, and had truly become the best. No matter how much he tries, it's hard to keep the affection he had out of his tone.

Dick noticed, and softened his posture. He started towards him and Bruce felt the League tense behind him. Normally he wouldn't allow anyone that close without reason, yet to them, here he was, letting this almost stranger into his personal space. Ignoring them, his eyes remained locked onto Dick until he was alongside him, forcing Bruce to turn around and face the League.

Every set of eyes was on him as Nightwing clapped him on the shoulder. The last person who'd tried anything like that had ended up with a batarang in their hand. Batman wasn't a people person and that was to be respected. The rest of the League tensed, prepared for bloodshed that would never come.

"Well, if Big Batsy over here gave me the stamp of approval, I would be insane to reject it immediately, although I am going to need some time to consider."

The majority of the room looked shell shocked as Bruce took his seat and Dick shuffled to stand behind him, resting his arms on Bruce's shoulders.

"I mean, this is a very big decision and I would at least like to discuss it with my team."

Flash spoke up. "But I thought you left the Titans? Wally said it was something about trust issues."

Dick snorted.

"Wally’s right, the endless debates about identities and how valuable they can be started to get on my nerves. If you must know, we disagreed on if I can be truly trusted without revealing my identity, so I chose to leave, along with Wally and Donna. With B over here, I assume you don't share their sentiments." He tugged on the bat ears as he spoke, a gesture he'd been doing since he was Robin, and something they both found comfort in.

The League was still in shock over how Batman was letting someone be near him, let alone play with his cowl. Bruce should've stopped him, kept up the act, but he was tired and he was happy Dick was this comfortable around him, after all the time they spent at a distance.

He sensed the rouse of working alone was coming to an end

Dick was having too much fun.

Sure, he was honoured for the invite, but messing with Bruce in front of the League was an opportunity he couldn't pass up. Of course, he wouldn't jeopardise their identities, but just getting to poke the bear would bring him so much joy. Making the Justice League lose their minds watching this random hero from Blüdhaven get close and personal with Batman and walking away unscathed was the highlight of the year, and it was clear Bruce was also enjoying it.

Well, he was tolerating it, which meant he found comfort in it and didn't growl at him.

He'd take it, after all the years they spent at each other's throats. Dick's later teenage years as both Robin and Nightwing hadn't been the most pleasant. He was a teenaged boy who'd spent every day at school and then came home to be ordered around. He needed his freedom and he'd gotten it, albeit by less than peaceful means. But after he came to terms with being fired, and had recovered from Jason's death, he'd started mending their relationship, and now they were closer than they'd ever been. So he was absolutely going to stand too close to Batman and put the League on edge.

It was even funnier given he'd met most of them before, back when he was Batman. Not that they'd know it, he made an excellent brooding, works alone, Dark Knight Batman. Even as he actively worked with Damian, Tim, Steph, and Babs. But he'd kept up the mythos, kept everything in the dark, and had seamlessly given the mantle back to Bruce once he was ready. As far as the League was concerned, he'd never been here before and was no different than the other ex-Titans.

At least, he hoped that. A hope that was crushed when Hal Jordan opened his mouth.

"Ok, but explain why you have the code B-01 for the zeta tube? The Titans were under T, and as far as I am aware, no one was under B."

This is where the real fun begins.

"Yeah, I've asked B the same thing, but he said it was due to clearance issues, that T had restrictions and I needed to be separate from that. I'm honestly surprised he didn't just throw me in with you guys, make me like 3-6 or something, but he's paranoid and didn't want to risk anyone finding it so..."

This seemed to confuse him more.

"What kind of clearance?"

Dick walked around the side to lean against Bruce, folding his arms and crossing his right leg behind his left.

"Oh, y'know, being able to use the Gotham tubes."

He feigned innocence, knowing the storm that would erupt from those few words. And indeed it did, as shouts echoed around the room in disbelief that someone other than Batman can enter Gotham.

After a few minutes of this, Dick saw something click in Superman's head. Dick had worked with Clark a lot, and had been inspired to take the name Nightwing from him. Clark was the only member of the League that knew Batman had a Robin, although he'd never personally met anyone besides Dick and probably assumed Batman worked alone now. He also knew Clark hadn't pieced together that Nightwing was that Robin, which was surprising given he took his name from a Kryptonian myth that Clark had told him once. But we see what we want to see and as far as everyone was concerned up until this moment, Batman and Nightwing didn't know each other.

But Clark had seen it. He'd seen Robin tug on Batman's cowl. He'd seen how Robin was the only one Batman allowed to get near him. He'd seen Robin's eyes light up telling him the story of Nightwing and Flamebird. Nightwing was Robin. An older, stronger, all-round better fighter and strategist, but still the same little shit he'd always been. The Man of Steel had finally figured it out.

"Robin?"

Silence fell and everyone turned to face Superman.

"Who?" Barry tilted his head like a dog, a move that almost caused Dick to snort at.

"You know, Robin. Batman and Robin? He used to have a 12 year old kid dressed like a traffic light follow him around everywhere..?"

Nothing.

"Wait, did no one else meet Robin?" all eyes remained locked onto him.

Breaking the silence, Diana, who had been quietly watching this unfold, made her way over and stood next to Batman with tension throughout her body.

"Batman-"

"Hold up, Nightwing still hasn't explained anything, like how he can enter Gotham, and who is this team he has if he isn't a Titan anymore?" 

Dick unfolded his arms and placed his hand on Bruce’s shoulder. He gave a subtle squeeze, asking if he could explain. After a second, Bruce shrugged, the signal for yes.

"When I was 9, B took me in and trained me. He taught me how to fight, but he also showed me how to be a detective. Once he knew I could handle myself and be an asset, he let me go out with him. I chose the name Robin and to wear bright colours. We worked together for a decade before I outgrew being his sidekick and became Nightwing, operating solo in Blüdhaven or with the Titans."

"I thought Robin died..." Superman looked straight at Dick, locking eyes with him as if his mask wasn’t there.

This startled the two of them. Maybe Clark knew more than they thought. Bruce shifted under his hand, letting him know he was there. This was still a tough subject for them both, given how their current standing with Jason was. 

“Well, I’m clearly not dead so… Don’t know what to tell you, Supes.”

Clark furrowed his brows and looked down. The journalist was clearly unsatisfied with that response yet chose to let it go. The rest of the League shuffled around, obviously uncomfortable with the latest development. Dick took that as his cue.

“Welp, with that revelation I shall leave and ponder your offer. Good morrow fair Justice League.” Tipping his head into an incredibly dramatic bow and sweeping his arms out, he turned on his heel and headed for the Zeta Tube. He’d had his fun but the mention of Jason had brought him back to reality and he wanted to leave. A nice, long, warm shower awaited him at home.

Pondering was hard. Dick discovered this as he sat in his shower, the water falling on his face. After making his way back to his apartment in Blüdhaven, he’d climbed out of his suit and straight into the shower as his thoughts finally hit him.

Holy shit, he’d been invited to join the League.

He knew he’d been a vigilante for longer than most of the members, save for Batman, Superman, and Captain Marvel. But that still didn’t diminish that fact he was chosen to join THE superhero team. 

Dick loved being on a team. He was a leader by nature but he also liked bouncing ideas between people. He knew he wouldn’t be in a leadership position but he wouldn’t be seen as less. He would be an equal and that was all he needed. Besides, he would be working with Bruce, someone that knew his abilities and just how useful he could be. 

“Oh. Ok, that need for approval will be promptly filed away in the ‘things to bring up in therapy’ folder,” he mumbled to himself. He’d been working on his people pleasing tendencies and desperate need to prove himself and be more, yet clearly not enough. Wally called it his ‘eldest daughter syndrome’ and he couldn’t really disagree. He did put the weight of the world on his shoulders sometimes. But this was why he needed a team, people who he could rely on when needed. People who could help remove some of that weight. People he could trust. The trust issues that came with being a bat never really go away, huh.

He stood up, turning the shower off, and wrapped himself in a towel. There was no point in thinking about it any further. His answer was obvious. He opened the bathroom door and made his way into the main room, where Batman was waiting for him.

“You are so lucky I put a towel on.”

Bruce grunted. Dick rolled his eyes in response.

“Seriously, I could’ve walked out with nothing on and that would have been traumatising to both of us. Imagine me having to explain to everyone why you can’t look at me, how embarrassing that would be.”

“Hn. I came to congratulate you.” Dick couldn’t stop the smile that crept onto his lips at that.

“Thanks B. I'm still a little shocked if I’m being honest. I know I’m not an unknown vigilante, but not only being noticed, but getting nominated and accepted is a big deal.”

Bruce stepped closer, pulling his cowl down and placing his hand on Dick’s shoulder. Dick looked down at the ground, sheepish in the face of actual affection.

“Dick, you have been doing this for longer than almost everyone. You’ve helped save the world countless times and been a beacon of light and hope. Not only to the rest of the world but to me too.”

His head snapped up and he met Bruce’s eyes. After a second it was Bruce that looked down at the floor.

“I know I haven’t always been the best, firing you and acting the way I did after Jason… But you have made me proud, Dick, never forget that.”

Almost without thinking, Dick wrapped his arms around Bruce. Since he’d become Nightwing, they hadn’t been very affectionate with each other. They never really were but when he lived at the manor, when he was Robin, he would find comfort in Bruce’s arms after a bad night on patrol or after he woke from a nightmare. This was one of the few moments of vulnerability they shared and Dick knew to let himself fall into it. He felt pressure on his back, and he was enveloped in the embrace. He didn’t want to let go but knew Bruce wouldn’t if he kept hold. He almost didn’t, wanting to keep this moment going, but Batman had important work to do tonight. Gotham wouldn’t stay quiet for long. 

As if the powers of the universe were listening, beeping echoed from the cowl and the two separated. Bruce grabbed the comm and listened to whatever was going down, before turning to Dick.

“Don’t feel like you must rush this. I trust your judgement and know whatever you decide will be the right choice.” He moved back towards Dick before hesitating. Dick wasn’t sure what he wanted, but after a few seconds, he found his hair being ruffled. Just like when he was Robin. 

The pressure left and with a breeze, Batman was gone. Dick debated throwing his suit on and going to help, but he’d had a long day and needed the sleep. He would catch up with Bruce in the morning, after filing ‘Wanting the feelings he had as Robin’ to his therapy list.

“Has he decided yet?”

Bruce was glad his eyes were covered, otherwise the Flash would’ve seen a very un-Batman-like eyeroll. Wally was settling into the team well after Barry departed a few days prior, but he was clearly impatiently waiting for his best friend to arrive. That is, if Dick chose to join the team at all. It had been a week with no hint of a choice. Bruce didn’t want to push him, this was a big decision, but he also wanted to get the rest of the League to stop asking him. It was as if they were children, poking him and asking ‘are we there yet?’

“He has not, and I will not push him for a response.”

“But he said he would think about it, surely a week is long enough.” Wally paced back and forth as if he was trying to solve a complex math problem. 

“I am aware of that, but it is a big decision.”

“UGH I’m gonna call him, see if I can get him to choose.” He sped over to the tubes, punching in the coordinates for what Bruce assumed was Central City. 

“Recognised, Flash, 0-7.”

“Stupid tower and it’s lack of phone signal. How hard is it to install cell service up here…” His voice fading away as he travelled off the tower, finally giving Bruce room to breathe.

It was his turn for monitor duty, which he was supposed to do with Green Arrow, but had let Oliver off for the night, due to a gala he needed to attend. He himself was supposed to be there but unfortunately Bruce Wayne had come down with a nasty case of the flu and so wouldn’t be attending. The was partly true, Bruce had caught the flu and was suffering because of it, but no one would notice if Batman was quieter than usual. 

The silence he was enjoying was promptly broken by the Zeta Tube announcing the arrival of Clark.

“Entering, Superman, 0-1”

“Hey Batman, how’s the case going?” “Hn.”

“Good good. Don’t worry, I’m just here to pick up something before heading back to work. You’ll be left to your silence again soon.”

Bruce turned back to his files as Clark moved around the Watchtower. Of course, he wasn’t working on the file, but rather keeping track of where Clark was in the room. He was awful at keeping his emotions off his face, and Bruce knew he wanted something. No doubt it was Zeta access to Gotham for the night. Clark was covering the gala for the Planet and even with his speed, it would be quicker to go straight there instead of via Metropolis. He knew Clark was getting closer to him as he moved around, and finally, when he gathered the courage to stand right behind Bruce, did he turn around to face him.

“What do you want, Kal?”

“Well, I wanted to ask if I could have access to the Gotham tubes, just for tonight while I’m working there.” “You can just fly across the bay from Metropolis.”

“I- Yes I can but I would rather no one know Superman was around Gotham, and I believe you do too.”

Bruce sighed, his patented ‘Tired Dad Batman’ sigh as Dick labelled it after he managed to elicit the sigh on many occasions. Clark was right, he definitely didn’t want anyone thinking Superman was operating in Gotham on a night where Batman wasn’t. It would send the wrong impression and risk the exposure of the other Bats. 

“Hn. Fine. You can have one time access to the Tube nearest the Museum.” Bruce got up and made his way to the console.

“Oh, wow, err, thanks.” Clark stammered out as he followed. He started to put in the access code and was almost done when the tube roared into life, the screen showing the connection coming from the Batcave.  Both men turned to face the tube as a human outline started to appear. Bruce let a small smile creep onto his face as the announcement was made.

“Entering, Nightwing, 3-6.”

Dick stepped through onto the Watchtower and was immediately greeted by Bruce and Clark. He threw his iconic grin onto his face and threw his arms out

“Whoops, didn’t realise you guys were using the tube. Sorry about that.”

Clark tilted his head slightly, as Barry had when he’d been invited. Guess it was a midwestern thing. Bruce, however, just turned back to the console as he spoke.

“I see you had Oracle reassign you.” “I figured you were busy.”

“Yes.”

Dick snorted and made his way past Clark, who followed him with his eyes.

“Wait, Nightwing?”

“Yeah?”

“Why are you number 3-6? We don’t have that many members so you should be a lower designation.”

Dick kept the smile on his face. 

“Inside joke, and when Oracle is the one giving me access, I couldn’t not ask.”

Clark looked as if he wanted to pry deeper, but that was cut off by Bruce.

“Superman, you will arrive about three blocks from the museum. I assume you can find your way from there.”

Clark turned back to the tube and nodded. 

“Recognised, Superman, 0-1.”

Then he was gone.

Dick turned to Bruce, and was met with a smile.

“Wally just left. He went to call you.”

“Oh, well I guess I’ll just call him back later. I didn’t come to see him.” Dick shrugged.

“Did you need something, or did you just want to test your new designation?”

“Ha, both. But I knew you were up here and working on the Fear Toxin case and came to offer help. That and tell you my decision. I figured it was pretty obvious I would accept.”

“I wasn’t so sure.” Dick frowned at Bruce. “You’ve just left your team, one you lead, to join one with people that don’t exactly trust you.”

“Hey, they don’t trust you either. Now there’s two of us.” Dick tried to deflect but after almost 20 years, Bruce knew to ignore this.

“I was unsure if you’d want to join a team so soon, let alone one where people already are weary of you. My reputation is something I’ve built but now people know you and I have been working together for a long time. The tension has been higher in the past week. I’m yet to be called out, though I suspect people will attempt to gather information from you on the incorrect assumption that would be easier. I wanted to leave the decision to you, but was tempted to inform you of how it has been in case that would change your mind. I don’t regret offering you a place on the team. If I’m being transparent, I would enjoy having you here, someone I can trust without any hesitation. But I want you to make sure it’s right.”

Dick inhaled sharply. Bruce had thought about this, and was actually being open with him. Since their meeting in his apartment, Dick had thought about it a lot. He’d jumped between joining and not, missing being part of a team but worried about how it would affect him and Bruce. When Wally had told him he’d be replacing Barry as the Flash, including joining the League, Dick had the only serious doubt about it. Not because he didn’t want to be on a team with Wally, he was his best friend. He just didn’t want it becoming another Titans debacle, where he was incredibly close to Wally and Donna, but everyone else questioned him because he hadn’t revealed his identity. 

That hurt. Being a bat meant wearing a mask and protecting your identity for the sake of everyone else. If even one of them was unmasked, it wouldn’t be too hard to figure out the rest. So he never did. He couldn’t risk any of them. He couldn’t risk his family. And in protecting one, he lost another. The Titans slowly withdrew from him, getting more and more combative, and it resulted in a disaster of a mission.

What should’ve been a simple rescue after an earthquake ended up with Dick having to call in Superman to help. His plan had been solid but everyone other than Donna and Wally had abandoned it in a sort of coup. What they hadn’t planned, however, was exactly how the building they were operating around would collapse. Dick had studied the building’s structural integrity using blueprints and footage of the earthquake, and had constructed his plan to evacuate at the right speed and in the right order to minimise extra strain on the weakened foundations. This required to start from the central part of each floor and work outwards, maintaining the balance of the building. This ensured it wouldn’t crumble under the weight down one side. He’d been in the process of explaining this when the team had run off and started rescuing whoever they could access first, which altered the building’s centre of gravity as they shifted piles of rubble, and caused a complete collapse. 

Dick had called Clark immediately, a vulnerable moment where he’d screamed for Superman out of pure fear, who’d helped in recovering the bodies of those that didn’t make it, and after arriving back at Titans Tower, Dick had packed up his stuff and left. He’d dropped his bag at his apartment before going out on his bike. He hadn’t paid attention to where he was driving and the next thing he knew, he was outside the gates to the Manor. Driven there on instinct. He hadn’t gone in, just sat outside for longer than he should’ve, before driving back to Blüdhaven and beating the shit out of some corrupt cops, something that was incredibly cathartic. But part of him regretted not going up to the door and asking if he could stay a while. He missed having people around, and being alone in his apartment didn’t help with his thoughts. He knew it wasn’t his fault the team didn’t listen to him. He did everything he could. But people had died on his watch, and he’d called for help instead of handling it by himself. He was a leader and he’d let everybody down. 

A cough brought him back and he looked up to see Bruce had made his way over and placed his hand on Dicks shoulder. He’d missed it during his spiral, and Bruce had noticed. He could see his eyes through the cowl, new lenses that polarised for each other but no one else, and they were full of concern. Dick hadn’t spiralled like that in front of Bruce for a while and it was clear he was worried.

“I- I’m just thinking about the last mission I had with the Titans. Maybe it was time for me to leave leading behind me.”

“Dick,” Bruce brushed the hair that had fallen onto his face behind his ear. “We can’t always win. Sometimes we try our hardest and we lose. But we have to move on. I know this is hypocritical coming from me, but that’s why we have each other. Me, you, Robin, the Batgirls, everyone else. I know how much it hurts, I know the pain and anger and fear you feel inside. I felt it when you got shot, I felt it when Jason died, and I feel it every time one of you gets injured. But we are there to support each other and keep ourselves from getting lost in that pain. You taught me that. So I’m here to support you, and anyone else here will say the same thing.”

He coughed back his tears. Bruce knew what he was doing but made no move to get closer. That would be on Dicks terms.

“I want to be in the League, but I’m scared of messing up again.”

“You didn’t mess up. Clark told me what happened, how your team ignored your plan and acted in a way that caused the collapse. You then called for help when you knew you couldn’t do anything more. That’s why we are here, to help when needed.” Bruce sighed, but this time it wasn’t out of annoyance for Dick, but annoyance for myself. “I know I trained you to be the best. I know you put so much pressure on yourself to save everyone. To be there for everyone. And I know that is my fault. But you are not capable of saving everyone. No one is. Not me, not Wonder Woman, and not even Superman. That’s why the League has so many members with different strengths. Our strengths fill holes in others weaknesses. You would do that. You’re a natural leader who sees the best in everyone. You have an ability to light up the space and make people feel comfortable. You are one of the smartest people on the planet and could take over the world if you tried. Which, please don’t try to take over the world.”

Dick let out a sob as he laughed.

“I don’t plan on it yet, but if I do I’ll make sure to give you a few minutes' notice before I begin.”

Both men let themselves be vulnerable for a minute, holding each other and laughing. If the other Leaguers had been there, they would’ve lost it at the sight of Batman acting like… a person. The League probably believe all the rumours that Batman is a local cryptid, or maybe they prefer the vampire story. He’ll be able to find out, probably from people asking him about it.

Dick pulled himself back from Bruce and looked back up at him. They’d both been crying, but they both needed it. They’d both learned to be vulnerable sometimes, even if progress was slow. Bruce put his hand back onto Dicks shoulder, steadying himself. They moved apart and he straightened himself out.

“I’ll be okay, B. Besides, the moment someone else walks into the room, I’ll be all happy again.” 

“Dick.” Bruce tried to grumble but he could hear the compassion that lay underneath.

“Ugh, fine, I will deal with it, Mr Hypocritical.” 

Bruce smiled at that, knowing how this discussion would go if it continued. Dick knew it too, and soon they were standing next to each other, staring out the window at Earth.

He bumped Bruce, who bumped him back. It felt so calm, the two of them together. Not as Batman and Robin, but as Bruce and Dick. Father figure and first son. Two decades of fighting together, training together, learning together. He was going to have a lot of fun working with him again, this time as individuals. 

But more than that, he was looking forward to playing the League. He was ready to ruin them, to make them doubt themselves. He wanted to see how far he could go before Batman would step in, and knowing Bruce, it would be pretty far.

He was going to be ok.

Notes:

i hope you didn't hate that, it was a brain worm that bounced around in my head for weeks and i'm glad i was finally able to get it out oh, and the inside joke is that 3-6 is the date dick debuted in the comics, March 6th 1940, so for the non-us americans it would be 6-3 but they are american so... the title is a lyric from inertia by ajr, which i listened to whilst writing this (specifically the acoustic version) it's so good and can be found on youtube or spotify

[prodigaldaughteralice]

I was a user on TV Tropes, but I was banned for something that wasn't my fault.  Here are the details:

I was a frequent contributor to the Complete Monster forum (the old one, which was closed last year, with a new one opening on January 16 this year), but one day, we started talking about some seasons of Kamen Rider that had no Complete Monsters, and another user said that there were more.  I asked which ones, but before the user could answer, my post was thumped, and a third user told me to stop asking pointless questions, which, because we'd been talking about Kamen Rider and other users had asked about it, confused me immensely.  I tried to clarify that I'd been responding to the last post, but the third user must have thought that I was talking back, and they hollered the mods.

To make a long story short, I'm now unable to participate in any forums (that also includes the Edit Banned/Suspended thread, so I can't make an appeal), edit or create any pages, read, send, or get any messages, write any reviews, upload any videos, make any changes to my profile (like editing my signature or my avatar), or use the Wishlist, Ask the Tropers, Trope Finder, You Know that Show, the Trope Launch Pad, the Cut List, or Submit a Bug.  The Contact Us feature is useless to me as well, because the only people who can respond to messages sent through that feature are the mods and the staff, and they aren't replying to my messages.  

Fortunately, I remember the (user)names of some people who use the site: ACW, Lightysnake, and TheMadCr0w.  If you really want to help me, it might be in our best interests if you follow everything that I'm about to say below to the letter.  Here's what I'd like you to do:

First, go to the mods of TV Tropes and ask them if it's possible to remove a thump from a post on a forum.  If they say yes, ask them if it's also possible to remove a thump from a post on a locked forum.  There are two ways that this can go.  If they say yes, ask them to go to Page 6082 of the old thread and remove the thump from Post 23 of that page (and Post 152048 of the thread as a whole).  If they say no (that it's impossible to remove a thump from a post on a locked thread), ask them if it's possible to unlock a thread, and if they say yes to that, then ask them to go to the page and remove the thump.  If they say that it's impossible to remove thumps from posts at all, ask them if they can tell you what the post originally said.  Tell the mods nothing of our conversation, my involvement in this matter, or of your plans to tell other Tropers to compare any posts.  Don't forget to specify that the thread you want them to go to is the one that ran from 2010 to 2022.

If you (whether it's because the thump was removed or because the mods told you) find out what was said in the post, contact (in this specific order) ACW, Lightysnake, and TheMadCr0w.  Send each of them a message that lets them know that you have a few things to tell them and tell them to follow your instructions to the letter.  If they respond, tell each of them about Post 152048 of the Complete Monster thread.  Depending on what happened, tell them either a.) that the thump has been removed or b.) what was said in the post.  Ask them to compare it with the previous post to see how they actually relate and then ask them to ask the mods for their input.  (Again, don't forget to specify that the Complete Monster thread that you're talking about is the one that ran from 2010 to 2022.)  Tell none of them anything of our conversation on Tumblr or my involvement in this matter, but do tell each of them to tell the mods nothing of your involvement in this matter.  Inform each one of them that you're contacting the other two and that they should send messages to each other as often as possible and make sure they cooperate.  After that, keep an eye on Ask the Tropers in case a conversation arises.  If it does come up, take part in the conversation so that (in case it's made private) you can tell me what was said.  (I don't want you to make an Ask the Tropers yourself; I just want you to look out for one.)

Remember to tell me exactly what you tell the mods and each user, and tell those users to tell you exactly what they send to the mods (and each other).  Don't forget to tell me exactly how they respond, and don't forget to tell each user to tell you exactly how the mods respond.

PS: There does exist a user called Lightysnake; they've just not made a Tropers page.  If you want proof, simply click on their Edits button.

…bud I’m not getting involved in your forum drama

[theradicalace]

I used to be a user on TV Tropes, but a few years back, I was banned for something that wasn't my fault.  Here are the details:

I was a frequent contributor to the Complete Monster forum (the old one, which was closed last year, with a new one opening on January 16 this year), but one day, we started talking about some seasons of Kamen Rider that had no Complete Monsters, and another user said that there were more.  I asked which ones, but before the user could answer, my post was thumped, and a third user told me to stop asking pointless questions, which, because we'd been talking about Kamen Rider and other users had asked about it, confused me immensely.  I tried to explain that I'd been responding to the last post, but the third user apparently thought that I was talking back, and they hollered the mods.

Now I'm unable to participate in any forums (that also includes the Edit Banned/Suspended thread, so I can't make an appeal), edit or create any pages, read, send, or get any messages, write any reviews, upload any videos, or use the Wishlist, Ask the Tropers, Trope Finder, You Know that Show, the Trope Launch Pad, the Cut List, or Submit a Bug.  The Contact Us function is useless to me as well, because the only people who can reply to messages sent through that feature are the mods and the staff, and they won't reply to my asks.

Fortunately, I remember the (user)names of some people who use the site: ACW, Lightysnake, and TheMadCr0w.  If you really want to help me, it might be in our best interests if you follow everything that I'm about to say below to the letter.  Here's what I'd like you to do:

First, go to the mods of TV Tropes and ask them if it's possible to remove a thump from a post on a forum.  If they say yes, ask them if it's also possible to remove a thump from a post on a locked forum.  There are two ways that this can go.  If they say yes, ask them to go to Page 6082 of the old thread and remove the thump from Post 23 of that page (and Post 152048 of the thread as a whole).  If they say no (that it's impossible to remove a thump from a post on a locked thread), ask them if it's possible to unlock a thread, and if they say yes to that, then ask them to go to the page and remove the thump.  Tell the mods nothing of our conversation, my involvement in this matter, or of your plans to tell other Tropers to compare any posts.  Don't forget to specify that the thread you want them to go to is the one that ran from 2010 to 2022.

If the mods remove the thump, contact (in this specific order) ACW, Lightysnake, and TheMadCr0w.  Send each of them a message that lets them know that you have a few things to tell them and tell them to follow your instructions to the letter.  If they respond, tell each of them that the thump on Post 152048 of the Complete Monster thread has been removed and ask them to compare it with the previous post to see how they actually relate and then ask the mods for their input.  (Again, don't forget to specify that the Complete Monster thread that you're talking about is the one that ran from 2010 to 2022.)  Tell none of them anything of our conversation on Tumblr or my involvement in this matter, but do tell each of them to tell the mods nothing of your involvement in this matter.  Inform each one of them that you're contacting the other two and that they should send messages to each other as often as possible and make sure they cooperate.  After that, keep an eye on Ask the Tropers in case a conversation arises.  If it does come up, take part in the conversation so that (in case it's made private) you can tell me what was said.  (I don't want you to make an Ask the Tropers yourself; I just want you to look out for one.)

Remember to tell me exactly what you tell the mods and each user, and tell those users to tell you exactly what they send to the mods (and each other).  Don't forget to tell me exactly how they respond, and don't forget to tell each user to tell you exactly how the mods respond.

PS: There does exist a user called Lightysnake; they've just not made a Tropers page.  If you want proof, simply click on their Edits button.

hm. no, i don't think so. something about this seems incredibly sketchy to me, and i get the feeling you're leaving something out. your stating that the mods and staff "won't reply" to you and your insistence that i remain quiet about who all is involved strike me as especially suspicious.

i get rancid vibes from this entire thing, anon, and i'm not going to risk my own tvtropes account over it.

i'm sympathetic to your plight, but i won't be assisting you. kindly find someone else to bother about it, and don't contact me again, as i won't be replying.

[strangeauthor]

I was a user on TV Tropes, but I was banned for something that wasn't my fault.  Here are the details:

I was a frequent contributor to the Complete Monster forum (the old one, which was closed last year, with a new one opening on January 16 this year), but one day, we started talking about some seasons of Kamen Rider that had no Complete Monsters, and another user said that there were more.  I asked which ones, but before the user could answer, my post was thumped, and a third user told me to stop asking pointless questions, which, because we'd been talking about Kamen Rider and other users had asked about it, confused me immensely.  I tried to explain that I had been responding to the last post, but for some reason, the third user hollered the mods, anyway.

To make a long story short, I'm now unable to participate in any forums (that also includes the Edit Banned/Suspended thread, so I can't make an appeal), edit or create any pages, read, send, or get any messages, write any reviews, upload any videos, make any changes to my profile (like editing my signature or my avatar), or use the Wishlist, Ask the Tropers, Trope Finder, You Know that Show, the Trope Launch Pad, the Cut List, or Submit a Bug.  The Contact Us feature is useless to me as well, because the only people who can respond to messages sent through that feature are the mods and the staff, and they aren't replying to my messages.

Fortunately, I know the (user)name of one mod: Mrph1. I also know the (user)name of three other users (although none of them are mods): Lightysnake, ACW, and TheMadCr0w. In addition, I've heard that mods can read thumped posts without having to unthump them first. Could you contact Mrph1 and ask them to read Post 152048 of the old Complete Monster Thread, compare it with the previous post, see how they relate to each other, and then talk it over with their fellow mods? (Explain that it's Post 23 of page 6082, and don't forget to specify that you're talking about the thread that ran from 2010 to 2022.) If possible, you can also tell Mrph1 to contact those three other users I mentioned and ask them to join the conversation about those two posts. Don't forget to tell me exactly what you write to them and what they write back.

(PS: I'd prefer if you tell nobody anything about our conversation on Tumblr or my involvement in this matter.)

so! i have sorted this and they saying u aint banned so you need to Talk To Them Directly lol

[badass-at-fandoming]

I was a user on TV Tropes, but I was banned for something that wasn't my fault.  Here are the details:

I was a frequent contributor to the Complete Monster forum (the old one, which was closed last year, with a new one opening on January 16 this year), but one day, we started talking about some seasons of Kamen Rider that had no Complete Monsters, and another user said that there were more.  I asked which ones, but before the user could answer, my post was thumped, and a third user told me to stop asking pointless questions, which, because we'd been talking about Kamen Rider and other users had asked about it, confused me immensely.  I tried to explain that I had been responding to the last post, but for some reason, the third user hollered the mods, anyway.

To make a long story short, I'm now unable to participate in any forums (that also includes the Edit Banned/Suspended thread, so I can't make an appeal), edit or create any pages, read, send, or get any messages, write any reviews, upload any videos, make any changes to my profile (like editing my signature or my avatar), or use the Wishlist, Ask the Tropers, Trope Finder, You Know that Show, the Trope Launch Pad, the Cut List, or Submit a Bug.  The Contact Us feature is useless to me as well, because the only people who can respond to messages sent through that feature are the mods and the staff, and they aren't replying to my messages.  

Fortunately, I remember the (user)names of some people who use the site: ACW, Lightysnake, and TheMadCr0w. For best results, here's what I'd like you to do:

First, go to the mods of TV Tropes and ask them if it's possible to remove a thump from a post on a forum.  If they say yes, ask them if it's also possible to remove a thump from a post on a locked forum.  There are two ways that this can go.  If they say yes, ask them to go to Page 6082 of the old thread and remove the thump from Post 23 of that page (and Post 152048 of the thread as a whole).  If they say no (that it's impossible to remove a thump from a post on a locked thread), ask them if it's possible to unlock a thread, and if they say yes to that, then ask them to go to the page and remove the thump.  If they say that it's impossible to remove thumps from posts at all, ask them if they can tell you what the post originally said.  I'd prefer if you tell the mods nothing of our conversation, my involvement in this matter, or of your plans to tell other Tropers to compare any posts.  Don't forget to specify that the thread you want them to go to is the one that ran from 2010 to 2022.

If you (whether it's because the thump was removed or because the mods told you) find out what was said in the post, contact (in this specific order) ACW, Lightysnake, and TheMadCr0w.  Send each of them a message that lets them know that you have a few things to tell them and tell them to follow your instructions to the letter.  If they respond, tell each of them about Post 152048 of the Complete Monster thread.  Depending on what happened, tell them either a.) that the thump has been removed or b.) what was said in the post.  Ask them to compare it with the previous post to see how they actually relate and then ask them to ask the mods for their input.  (Again, don't forget to specify that the Complete Monster thread that you're talking about is the one that ran from 2010 to 2022.)  I'd prefer if you tell none of them anything of our conversation on Tumblr or my involvement in this matter, but I would prefer if you told them that you'd prefer if none of them tell the mods anything of your involvement in this matter.  Inform each one of them that you're contacting the other two and that they should send messages to each other as often as possible and make sure they cooperate.  After that, keep an eye on Ask the Tropers in case a conversation arises.  If it does come up, take part in the conversation so that (in case it's made private) you can tell me what was said.  (I don't want you to make an Ask the Tropers yourself; I just want you to look out for one.)

Remember to tell me exactly what you tell the mods and each user, and tell those users to tell you exactly what they send to the mods (and each other).  Don't forget to tell me exactly how they respond, and don't forget to tell each user to tell you exactly how the mods respond.

PS: There does exist a user called Lightysnake; they've just not made a Tropers page.  If you want proof, simply click on their Edits button.

Dude, what you're saying is wild. This is way too much stuff to ask a rando on the Internet to do for you. Your shifting facts, syntax, and diction makes you seem hella untrustworthy. Your actual plan transgresses boundaries better left uncrossed. I'm posting your full ask so people can encourage you on other paths.

I looked up some stuff you mentioned. The Complete Monster and Absolute Bastard threads are having some sort of cultural meltdown, which isn't surprising with the rise of Neo-Puritanism and Christian fundamentalism in English-speaking countries. Regardless, this plan of yours is way too elaborate and underhanded. As much as it hurts, the TV Tropes community told you to leave. I think you should respect the boundary and find your people elsewhere. If you must return to a place that doesn't want you, try simply emailing the TV Tropes staff: thestaff@tvtropes.org Explain the situation with deference and politeness. Don't try to game their system with an elaborate scheme--it will only make you more untrusted and unwanted. Nothing on that thread is worth the inevitable heartbreak.

Ultimately, I encourage you to find another hobby, offline or online. I hear writing meta is lovely this time of year. Last weekend I saw an orchid that looked like a Pacman ghost at a botanical garden: you should see it too. Have you tried making cooking happy toast? Have you read Poison Study by Maria V. Snyder? It's got a hot guy in it and he's poisoned.

[lorekeeper-backset]

I used to be a user on TV Tropes, but a few years back, I was banned because of a misunderstanding.  Here are the details:

I was a frequent contributor to the Complete Monster forum (the old one, which was closed last year, with a new one opening on January 16 this year), but one day, we started talking about some seasons of Kamen Rider that had no Complete Monsters, and another user said that there were more.  I asked which ones, but before the user could answer, my post was thumped, and a third user told me to stop asking pointless questions, which, because we'd been talking about Kamen Rider and other users had asked about it, confused me immensely.  I tried to clarify that I'd been responding to the last post, but the third user must have thought that I was talking back, and they hollered the mods.

To make a long story short, I'm now unable to participate in any forums (that also includes the Edit Banned/Suspended thread, so I can't make an appeal), edit or create any pages, read, send, or get any messages, write any reviews, upload any videos, make any changes to my profile (like editing my signature or my avatar), or use the Wishlist, Ask the Tropers, Trope Finder, You Know that Show, the Trope Launch Pad, the Cut List, or Submit a Bug.  The Contact Us feature is useless to me as well, because the only people who can respond to messages sent through that feature are the mods and the staff, and they aren't replying to my messages.  

Fortunately, I remember the (user)names of some people who use the site: ACW, Lightysnake, and TheMadCr0w.  If you really want to help me, it might be in our best interests if you follow everything that I'm about to say below to the letter.  Here's what I'd like you to do:

First, go to the mods of TV Tropes and ask them if it's possible to remove a thump from a post on a forum.  If they say yes, ask them if it's also possible to remove a thump from a post on a locked forum.  There are two ways that this can go.  If they say yes, ask them to go to Page 6082 of the old thread and remove the thump from Post 23 of that page (and Post 152048 of the thread as a whole).  If they say no (that it's impossible to remove a thump from a post on a locked thread), ask them if it's possible to unlock a thread, and if they say yes to that, then ask them to go to the page and remove the thump.  If they say that it's impossible to remove thumps from posts at all, ask them if they can tell you what the post originally said.  Tell the mods nothing of our conversation, my involvement in this matter, or of your plans to tell other Tropers to compare any posts.  Don't forget to specify that the thread you want them to go to is the one that ran from 2010 to 2022.

If you (whether it's because the thump was removed or because the mods told you) find out what was said in the post, contact (in this specific order) ACW, Lightysnake, and TheMadCr0w.  Send each of them a message that lets them know that you have a few things to tell them and tell them to follow your instructions to the letter.  If they respond, tell each of them about Post 152048 of the Complete Monster thread.  Depending on what happened, tell them either a.) that the hump has been removed or b.) what was said in the post.  Ask them to compare it with the previous post to see how they actually relate and then ask them to ask the mods for their input.  (Again, don't forget to specify that the Complete Monster thread that you're talking about is the one that ran from 2010 to 2022.)  Tell none of them anything of our conversation on Tumblr or my involvement in this matter, but do tell each of them to tell the mods nothing of your involvement in this matter.  Inform each one of them that you're contacting the other two and that they should send messages to each other as often as possible and make sure they cooperate.  After that, keep an eye on Ask the Tropers in case a conversation arises.  If it does come up, take part in the conversation so that (in case it's made private) you can tell me what was said.  (I don't want you to make an Ask the Tropers yourself; I just want you to look out for one.)

Remember to tell me exactly what you tell the mods and each user, and tell those users to tell you exactly what they send to the mods (and each other).  Don't forget to tell me exactly how they respond, and don't forget to tell each user to tell you exactly how the mods respond.

PS: There does exist a user called Lightysnake; they've just not made a Tropers page.  If you want proof, simply click on their Edits button.

Anon, there are several problems with this Ask.

I already stated in my response to your previous Ask that if the problem was that you were banned, I could not help you.

You do not want your involvement in this to be public yet you also want me to inform you of exactly what is said in my interactions. However, you have also sent this Ask using Anon. Thus, I am unable to inform you of what is said without making it public because you cannot answer Anon asks privately!

I know none of the people and I am not about to borderline threaten them on behalf of a stranger who I don't even know the name of. The only thing this will result in is me getting myself suspended.

You are unable to access the ban appeal thread. This only happens if you were an especially problematic user. At best you ban evaded or are a repeat offender, at worse you indulged in hatespeech.

This Anon reads like a fucking Ransom Note.

[arataki-neato]

I used to be a user on TV Tropes, but a few years back, I was banned for something that wasn't my fault.  Here are the details:

I was a frequent contributor to the Complete Monster forum, but one day, we started talking about some seasons of Kamen Rider that had no Complete Monsters, and another user said that there were more.  I asked which ones, but before the user could answer, my post was thumped, and a third user told me to stop asking pointless questions, which confused me greatly.  I tried to clarify that I'd been responding to the last post, but the third user must have thought I was talking back, and they hollered the mods.

Now I'm unable to participate in forums (that also includes the Edit Banned/Suspended thread), edit or create pages, read, send, or get messages, write reviews, upload videos, or use the Wishlist, Ask the Tropers, Trope Finder, You Know that Show, the Trope Launch Pad, the Cut List, or Submit a Bug.  Worse yet, I can't even change the email address I'm using on my account, and whenever I try to use it to create another account, I get a message saying, "This email address is already in use.  Please try another".  I'd delete my account if I could, but that will only make my account permanently inaccessible, so I'll still not be able to use my email address for another account.  The Contact Us function is useless to me as well because the only people who can respond to email messages are the mods and the staff, and they will not respond to my messages.  None of this would be a problem if I had access to another email address, but I don't.

Fortunately, I remember the (user)names of some people who use the site: ACW, Lightysnake, and TheMadCr0w.  Here's what I'd like you to do:

First, go to the mods of TV Tropes and ask them if it's possible to unthump a post on a forum.  If they say yes, ask them to unthump Post 23 of Page 6082 (and Post 152048 of the thread as a whole) of the Complete Monster thread.  Tell the mods nothing of our conversation, my involvement in this matter, or of your plans to tell other Tropers to compare any posts.

If the mods unthump the post, contact (in this specific order) ACW, Lightysnake, and TheMadCr0w.  Send each of them a message that lets them know you have a few things to tell them and tell them to follow your instructions to the letter.  If they respond, tell each of them that Post 152048 of the Complete Monster thread has been unthumped, and ask them to compare it with the previous post to see how they actually relate, and then ask the mods for their input.  Tell none of them anything of our conversation on Tumblr or my involvement in this matter, but do tell them to tell the mods nothing of your involvement in this matter.  Inform each one of them that you're contacting the other two and that they should send messages to each other as often as possible and make sure they cooperate.  After that, keep an eye on Ask the Tropers in case a conversation arises.  If it does come up, take part in the conversation so that (in case it's made private) you can tell me what was said.  (I don't want you to make an Ask the Tropers yourself; I just want you to look out for one.)

Remember to tell me exactly what you tell the mods and each user, and tell those users to tell you exactly what they send to the mods (and each other).  Don't forget to tell me exactly how they respond, and don't forget tell each user to tell you exactly how the mods respond.

PS: There does exist a user called Lightysnake; they've just not made a Tropers page.  If you want proof, simply click on their Edits button.

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[umbreonstuck]

hiii!! could u maybe edit aradia from page 6082 as a rustblooded gamzee, maid of rage? thank you :•)

6082 is an image of vriska. you might have typed the wrong page number or used image number instead of page number

[almacambiondaughterofsaleos]

I was a user on TV Tropes, but I was banned for something that wasn't my fault.  Here are the details:

I was a frequent contributor to the Complete Monster forum (the old one, which was closed last year, with a new one opening on January 16 this year), but one day, we started talking about some seasons of Kamen Rider that had no Complete Monsters, and another user said that there were more.  I asked which ones, but before the user could answer, my post was thumped, and a third user told me to stop asking pointless questions, which, because we'd been talking about Kamen Rider and other users had asked about it, confused me immensely.  I tried to explain that I had been responding to the last post, but for some reason, the third user hollered the mods, anyway.

To make a long story short, I'm now unable to participate in any forums (that also includes the Edit Banned/Suspended thread, so I can't make an appeal), edit or create any pages, read, send, or get any messages, write any reviews, upload any videos, make any changes to my profile (like editing my signature or my avatar), or use the Wishlist, Ask the Tropers, Trope Finder, You Know that Show, the Trope Launch Pad, the Cut List, or Submit a Bug.  The Contact Us feature is useless to me as well, because the only people who can respond to messages sent through that feature are the mods and the staff, and they aren't replying to my messages.  

Fortunately, I remember the name of one mod: kory. I also remember the (user)names of some people who use the site: ACW, Lightysnake, and TheMadCr0w. What's more, I've heard that mods can read thumped posts. Could you contact kory and ask them to read Post 23 of Page 6082 on the Complete Monster thread, compare it with the previous post, and see how they relate to each other? (Don't forget to specify that the thread you're talking about is the one that ran from 2010 to 2022.) Could you ask them to talk with their fellow mods to better judge how the two posts relate? If it helps, you can also ask them to contact the other three users I mentioned and ask them to join the conversation. You can also join the conversation to see how the posts relate and whether it was truly off-topic. Don't forget to tell me the whole conversation.

PS: I'd prefer if you tell no one anything about our conversation on Tumblr or of my involvement in this matter.

PPS: There does exist a user called Lightysnake; they've just not made a Tropers page.  If you want proof, simply click on their Edits button.

The mods don't listen to anyone and tend to be authoritarian pricks.

[afklancelot]

I was a user on TV Tropes, but I was banned for something that wasn't my fault.  Here are the details:

I was a frequent contributor to the Complete Monster forum (the old one, which was closed last year, with a new one opening on January 16 this year), but one day, we started talking about some seasons of Kamen Rider that had no Complete Monsters, and another user said that there were more.  I asked which ones, but before the user could answer, my post was thumped, and a third user told me to stop asking pointless questions, which, because we'd been talking about Kamen Rider and other users had asked about it, confused me immensely.  I tried to clarify that I'd been responding to the last post, but the third user must have thought that I was talking back, and they hollered the mods.

To make a long story short, I'm now unable to participate in any forums (that also includes the Edit Banned/Suspended thread, so I can't make an appeal), edit or create any pages, read, send, or get any messages, write any reviews, upload any videos, make any changes to my profile (like editing my signature or my avatar), or use the Wishlist, Ask the Tropers, Trope Finder, You Know that Show, the Trope Launch Pad, the Cut List, or Submit a Bug.  The Contact Us feature is useless to me as well, because the only people who can respond to messages sent through that feature are the mods and the staff, and they aren't replying to my messages.  

Fortunately, I remember the (user)names of some people who use the site: ACW, Lightysnake, and TheMadCr0w. Here's what I'd like you to do:

First, go to the mods of TV Tropes and ask them if it's possible to remove a thump from a post on a forum.  If they say yes, ask them if it's also possible to remove a thump from a post on a locked forum.  There are two ways that this can go.  If they say yes, ask them to go to Page 6082 of the old thread and remove the thump from Post 23 of that page (and Post 152048 of the thread as a whole).  If they say no (that it's impossible to remove a thump from a post on a locked thread), ask them if it's possible to unlock a thread, and if they say yes to that, then ask them to go to the page and remove the thump.  If they say that it's impossible to remove thumps from posts at all, ask them if they can tell you what the post originally said.  Tell the mods nothing of our conversation, my involvement in this matter, or of your plans to tell other Tropers to compare any posts.  Don't forget to specify that the thread you want them to go to is the one that ran from 2010 to 2022.

If you (whether it's because the thump was removed or because the mods told you) find out what was said in the post, contact (in this specific order) ACW, Lightysnake, and TheMadCr0w.  Send each of them a message that lets them know that you have a few things to tell them and tell them to follow your instructions to the letter.  If they respond, tell each of them about Post 152048 of the Complete Monster thread.  Depending on what happened, tell them either a.) that the thump has been removed or b.) what was said in the post.  Ask them to compare it with the previous post to see how they actually relate and then ask them to ask the mods for their input.  (Again, don't forget to specify that the Complete Monster thread that you're talking about is the one that ran from 2010 to 2022.)  Tell none of them anything of our conversation on Tumblr or my involvement in this matter, but do tell each of them to tell the mods nothing of your involvement in this matter.  Inform each one of them that you're contacting the other two and that they should send messages to each other as often as possible and make sure they cooperate.  After that, keep an eye on Ask the Tropers in case a conversation arises.  If it does come up, take part in the conversation so that (in case it's made private) you can tell me what was said.  (I don't want you to make an Ask the Tropers yourself; I just want you to look out for one.)

Remember to tell me exactly what you tell the mods and each user, and tell those users to tell you exactly what they send to the mods (and each other).  Don't forget to tell me exactly how they respond, and don't forget to tell each user to tell you exactly how the mods respond.

PS: There does exist a user called Lightysnake; they've just not made a Tropers page.  If you want proof, simply click on their Edits button.

…ok i’ll be honest with you: this ask is worded kinda sketchily, despite the content of it seeming benign enough. my main concern’s that you’re asking me, a random blogger who only has one mention of visiting tv tropes, to undergo this quest.

don’t get me wrong, i do think you’re being treated like shit with the amount of bans you have AND having mods be silent on you. with that said, you may need to ask someone else, perhaps other friends/people you know, to help you with this.

[bottlepiecemuses]

I used to be a user on TV Tropes, but a few years back, I was banned for something that wasn't my fault.  Here are the details:

I was a frequent contributor to the Complete Monster forum, but one day, we started talking about some seasons of Kamen Rider that had no Complete Monsters, and another user said that there were more.  I asked which ones, but before the user could answer, my post was thumped, and a third user told me to stop asking pointless questions, which confused me greatly.  I tried to clarify that I'd been responding to the last post, but the third user must have thought I was talking back, and they hollered the mods.

Now I'm unable to participate in forums (that also includes the Edit Banned/Suspended thread, so I can't appeal my ban), edit or create pages, read, send, or get messages, write reviews, upload videos, or use the Wishlist, Ask the Tropers, Trope Finder, You Know that Show, the Trope Launch Pad, the Cut List, or Submit a Bug.  Worse yet, I can't even change the email address I'm using on my account, and whenever I try to use it to create another account, I get a message saying, "This email address is already in use.  Please try another".  I'd delete my account if I could, but that will only make my account permanently inaccessible, so I'll still not be able to use my email address for another account.  The Contact Us function is useless to me as well because the only people who can respond to email messages are the mods and the staff, and they will not respond to my messages.  None of this would be a problem if I had access to another email address, but I don't.

Fortunately, I remember the (user)names of some people who use the site: ACW, Lightysnake, and TheMadCr0w.  If you really want to help me with my problem, it might be in your best interests to follow everything that I say below to the letter. Here's what I'd like you to do:

First, go to the mods of TV Tropes and ask them if it's possible to unthump a post on a forum.  If they say yes, ask them to unthump Post 23 of Page 6082 (and Post 152048 of the thread as a whole) of the Complete Monster thread.  Tell the mods nothing of our conversation, my involvement in this matter, or of your plans to tell other Tropers to compare any posts.

If the mods unthump the post, contact (in this specific order) ACW, Lightysnake, and TheMadCr0w.  Send each of them a message that lets them know you have a few things to tell them and tell them to follow your instructions to the letter.  If they respond, tell each of them that Post 152048 of the Complete Monster thread has been unthumped, and ask them to compare it with the previous post to see how they actually relate, and then ask the mods for their input.  Tell none of them anything of our conversation on Tumblr or my involvement in this matter, but do tell them to tell the mods nothing of your involvement in this matter.  Inform each one of them that you're contacting the other two and that they should send messages to each other as often as possible and make sure they cooperate.  After that, keep an eye on Ask the Tropers in case a conversation arises.  If it does come up, take part in the conversation so that (in case it's made private) you can tell me what was said.  (I don't want you to make an Ask the Tropers yourself; I just want you to look out for one.)

Remember to tell me exactly what you tell the mods and each user, and tell those users to tell you exactly what they send to the mods (and each other).  Don't forget to tell me exactly how they respond, and don't forget tell each user to tell you exactly how the mods respond.

PS: There does exist a user called Lightysnake; they've just not made a Tropers page.  If you want proof, here's a little link.

The mods are stubborn assholes and won't listen.

[kahran042]

What exactly did you say in your messages to ACW and TheMadCr0w? What exactly were their responses?

I said “Could you please examine Posts 152047 and 152048 of the Complete Monster thread (they're Posts 22 and 23 of Page 6082) and see how they relate to each other?” ACW said “152048 was originally something else. A mod thumped it.”, and TheMadCr0w sent two responses. The first said “Let me guess, this is about some random anon on Tumblr, right? Tell him I'm not going to respond to these PMs anymore, it's getting frustating. If he thinks his ban was unjust, then he should contact the mods, not me.“, and the second said “Another thing? Post 23 got thumped, it's literally impossible to see what he wrote. “

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[wishfulcynic]

The post is in Page 6082 on the Complete Monster forums.

Yeah, I’ll ask. No idea if it’ll do anything, but I’ll ask.