#orientationeering

[thegreatyin]

i think the scoundrel is starting to care about their city-self.

extremely slowly. extremely, extremely, painfully slowly. as slow as molasses drips off a spoon made entirely out of delusion and ripped-up flower petals.

...maybe care isn't exactly the right word. tolerating? putting up with? allowing the city to exist without going out of their way to ruin all of their own hopes and dreams?

it is nice, having a place that knows them so intimately. having a place practically dedicated to them and them alone. having a place where they belong- because they are that place.

they can grow used to it, if they give it a chance. and they are (will be) the master of such a thing...

yes. yes, they can give it a chance. they can give it a chance indeed.

maybe it can give them one too.

[august-aches]

he’s orientationally unavailable

[flfverse]

TRANS KIRI RIGHTS!!!!!

Oh my god I read it last night before bed and it’s ALL I could think about!!! And it’s STILL all I can think about!!! I’m so in love with this concept and so glad you ended up writing this. The slow realization, the denial, the imposter syndrome, the perceived selfishness—it’s all soooo good and really speaks to what I feel like is kind of this internalized orientationism that exists unconsciously in the greater society of your worldbuilding from which a lot of the trans issues or Hawks’s internalized subphobia (is that a thing? Is now) kind of stem insidiously. Kirishima is like “I’m a dom! It’s my job to protect ppl and I’m a hero anyway so it all works out!” But that’s a trap he doesn’t realize he’s stuck in until he’s really forced to confront it, and I’m soooo in love with how you handled him avoiding the issue until it blew up in his face (because I’m an angst/hurt/comfort lover). Got all the swoopy feelings in my stomach about it and even when I go back to read it again I still get em 🩵

Kiri’s evolution is something I’m so excited to read further about… I really hope you’ll explore him trying to hide it from his friends, who are so used to using him as a dom sounding board when they need help. I can’t imagine he’ll find it easy to give up that role easily, since he cares so much for his friends and wants to support them in any way he can, and also because I wonder if the weight of their expectations will be hard to get out from under without outing himself? Like I can just see Sero torn on the sidelines watching Kirishima do things that hurt himself but not knowing how to intervene in a way that respects Kirishima’s boundaries but also is healthy for him?

Which also makes me wonder about our dear, beloved, hyper vigilant Aizawa-sensei… because I’m an ever-guilty Aizawa lover…….!! But that aside, my excuse for bringing him is that I think he would at least notice something off with kirishima and his dynamic w the class (unless he’s not their teacher at this point? Tbh I’m admittedly not sure how school is looking for these kids at this point in your story ehehe). But I can also picture sero going to him like “girl help! My bf is (redacted) and he’s hurting himself over it and idk what to do!” Or also kiri showing up in the office like “Sensei help! I’m (redacted) and idk what to do!” And Aizawa being like “well I can’t help if I don’t know the root of the problem but also I respect boundaries so….”

Sorry got carried away a bit. But the point is! I loved this fic and CANT wait to see where you’ll take it next.

Enjoy your hiatus! You’ve more than earned it. Until the next update, I’ll be lurking on old chapters and poking you in your asks 🩵

—V

TRANS!!! KIRI!!! RIGHTS!!! 🩵🩵🩵

oh yeah, i definitely want to explore him hiding things from the others. we loveee that angst. i don’t know when i want him to come out…in Cross the Line i did write a little throwaway convo about him and sero both being doms before i decided to hit him with the trans beam, and i’m still undecided on what to do about that. they’re all around 23 at that point, which is a pretty long time to hide, so i might change it. i can definitely see him only coming out to a few people for the sake of his hero career….we’ll see.

aizawa is definitely still around! in my head they keep the same homeroom teacher bc i loveee dadzawa and it makes sense?? right?? if he’s training them?? yeah.

i lowkey forgot he would be around noticing all of this but yeah, he would definitely notice the dynamic was off and be like, waiting for the right excuse to poke at the issue. and sero would absolutely come to him well before kiri would :(( ack i’m making myself sad thinking about him now

i like this version of kiri (and all versions of trans kiri) bc he has this kind of comedic level of emphasis on manliness and being the steady unwavering rock for his friends, which is very wholesome, but also BUDDY. you need to base your identity on more things than that. i think it is very genuine, which is why i love him, but also you could play it like he’s compensating, like if he just says it enough it’ll be true.

augh. enough sadkiri thoughts. let’s think about puppykiri again and ask the REAL question which is: why does his costume have a psuedo-muzzle, hm? what’s happening here

thank you for coming to my ted talk. i think the next little edition of this mini saga will just be focused on kiri and sero and puppy play (and some trans feelings), but after that it’d be fun to do some angst. or before. depends which i finish first, i guess?

[posting-stuffies]

Utili- (UTILI-)

utiliorientation or utiliattraction: being orientationally utilitarian; experiencing attraction utilitarianly

An example using the alterous form of attraction:

utilialterous: being alterously utilitarian; experiencing alterous attraction utilitarianly

It can be used as an aspec identity, but it can also be allospec, schrospec, or beyond. It can be used to describe behaviors (like placio-), as a modifier, standalonely, or any other way someone imagine as possible (or theoretical).

@radiomogai @liom-archive @orientation-archive

[fanboy-feminist]

Having a crush on someone orientationally incompatible can put you in so much psychological distress it should honestly be classified in the DSM-5

[disdancetune]

I feel like

Banford is already crip

Whereas March is being cripped

For March, the social model applies - not being able to pursue creativity to a satisfactory degree due to precarity - and then her dreaming of these things and hence being absent-minded...

Puts her at risk

But also saves her

As for Banford

She might be almost blind

But orientationally she is more fixed

[hailmaryfullofgrace55675]

it is extremely obvious that a large percentage of the orientationally bisexual people identifying as lesbians currently and in the past have been and continue to be motivated by the perception, sold to them by lesbian feminists, that lesbianism is the more pure, politically potent, authentic, legitimate, feminist, woman-loving, connective, and meaningful identity over bisexual womanhood - indeed, perhaps the best one. orientationally bisexual people identifying with lesbianism, rather than deconstructing this by showing that the lesbian label is basically meaningless, seems to shore up the impression that lesbianism is especially good and especially worthwhile to identify with. as we can expect any political lesbianism to do. this is to say nothing of the gender situation, of which there is so much to say.

lesbianism delenda est!

something something how if you are lying about being a lesbian because you want to be a lesbian despite some disqualifying characteristic, I want to know why you’re doing what you’re doing because I want in on the con, not because I want to snitch, and also I think that even if your yearning to be a lesbian places you on a trajectory that lands you in wildly different territory once you figure out who you really are and what you really want, I still want you to shoot your shot, I still want you to have your time as a lesbian even if every second you spend in that space makes people froth at the mouth over the corruption you’re causing. especially then. fuck em.

[00394]

slayyyyy the main character in this book is gay

[flyawaybooks]

"when will someone confess their deep and true love for me?" I wonder as I continue to interact with approximately nobody who would be eligible to confess such a love

[ladycynthiana]

I think they both thought the other one would say "no" and they were going to say "not yet" but then neither of them said no, but I don't think it was planned at all, just that that's what they would naturally say, as a semi-comedic, yet honest answer. Seems both of them thought the other wanted to be the straight man when neither of them did in that no moment

[gloaming-sometimes]

first of all, the way you worded this comes off as belittling, i dont know if that was your intention but thats how it feels. i'll answer regardless but know that i and anyone else with a nuanced identity are not obligated to to justify our identities to you because you dont understand it or at the very least respect our right to self determination. im going to be so honest with you when i say that sentiments like this in the queer community (as in "i dont understand your identity therefore it is bigoted to me personally/the rest of what i deem the 'real' community") is a deep plague to us. stupid ass discourse (which is almost exclusively an online phenomenon, btw) is not helping progress us as a community with ourselves or with non-queers, it isnt helping fight the often times life or death issues we face and it sures a hell isn't helping/uplifting anyone in our community; in fact i would argue it is doing the exact opposite of all those things.

anywho, on to answering your actual question. you clearly already know the literal definition of these terms but i feel your understanding of what being bi, pan, otherwise mspec, lesbian, gay, etc is incomplete (and i am not claiming mine or anyone else's is either, out of eight billion people it would impossible to understand every label as every individual sees themselves in relation to it). so let me just go over some things:

bi does not always mean attraction to two genders (often defined as two or more), it does not always mean attraction to both men and women (for example you could only like women and nonbinary people or any other combination of genders), and it is not always static attraction to the same two genders at a fixed preference (see the term bi-cycle, people who may or may not identify as abro/orientationally fluid may also identify as bi. not every bi person always likes two or more genders at the same time)

m-spec does not just mean bi, pan, omni, poly/poli/ply, abro. it is an UMBRELLA TERM for anyone who likes more than one gender. that can mean a lot of things to a lot of different people.

lesbian/gay/homo have not always meant exclusive attraction to the same/similar gender. lesbian started out as an umbrella term much like how sapphic is used now and gay started out as a derogatory term. in my opinion nothing about the term homosexual/romantic/etc indicates that it is exclusive, just that it is attraction of a same or similar gender or is queer in nature

heres a more tangible example of the labels being used like this: a bi lesbian who does not like men (likes women + nonbinary people, may or may not identify as enbian/diamoric/cenelian/etc), a genderfluid person who is only attracted to women so is sometimes hetero and sometimes lesbian (not inherently an mspec identity the way i described it), a multigender person who is homo- for both genders making them gaybian/sapphillean/etc (thats what i am!), a bi/abro/fluid person who always/commonly likes men and sometimes likes women might identify as bi/abro gay/straight, so on and so on. and thats not even getting into split attraction model (for example being bisexual homoromantic). are you starting to understand that conceptualizing queer labels as being rigid, "opposites" of each other and incapable overlapping is not reflective of people's experience with their identity and the way they chose to label it?

i feel like the reason behind some people understanding queerness like this goes back to recent gay rights movements which, while have been pretty affective and by far are a net positive, has "dumbed down" queer reality to make it easier for non-queers to understand. to make us more digestible, more conforming to "the norm" (which i have gripes with as it leaves many of behind, specifically those of us who cannot or dont want to conform to those norms). an unfortunate side effect of this is that now almost all queer representation in pop-culture is seen through this lense of digestibility, of respectability politics, which leads to even people in our own community (especially those who dont know an in person community and/or dont know queer history) understanding what we are and what we are capable of being as less than what it is.

if you'll notice mspec gays/lesbians/straights include both terms in the name, because the person in reference to the term is both. "why are you terrified of just being bisexual" i am just bisexual, i am also just lesbian, i am also just gay, i am also just something that no label will ever be able to fully describe. i like labels for myself though, they make me happy, so i stitch them together in a way that is me. do you understand yet? having a nuanced identity like this is not biphobic, homophobic or denying yourself what you are; it is quite the contrary, the labels i use were born from a deep love for myself, for how i experience identity. if you think being bisexual makes you "normal" thats your problem because i promise that is not the case. and ill say it! there are MANY ways relationships between a man and a woman can be queer (trans person with a trans person, trans person with a cis person (if that is how they see their relationship), transman/masc/etc in a lesbian relationship, transwoman/fem/etc in a gay relationship, aromantic or asexual spectrum, polyamory, male-female mspec relationships, and more). people seem to think that the label fits the person, the label controls what they experience, but that is not the case. all queer labels are opt-in, you choose them, that is the point. what they mean to the individual is extremely personal and unique to them. they are entirely subjective much like nearly everything else in life.

expand what you think it means to be queer, kill the cop in your head.

I habe so many questions for tumblr

what the fuck is a mspec straight, mspec lesbian, mspec gay.. like genuinely why don’t you just say bisexual?? Or pansexual?? Are you scared of being that? I mean I think it’s a little biphobic and homophobic to be scared of just saying you’re mspec 🤷‍♂️ why are you so terrified of the concept of just being bisexual. It’s like you quiver at what you truly are, because you’re scared of being seen as “normal”. just my thoughts lol.

[crockersbian]

the fact that every person writing for every not-specifically-homestuck-focused wiki that talks about fictional gay characters took this to somehow mean that every single troll (occasionally excepting kanaya) is bisexual like, orientationally, and that it counts as requisite coding to have them all labeled that without further inspection of the rest of their textual relationships is going to drive me to homicide some day

[incorrect-omgcp-frogs]

Some woman: [hitting on Dex]

Nursey: "oh, sorry, he's orientationally unavailable."

Dex, staring at Nursey with brow furrowed: "Just say I'm gay. You're my boyfriend, you can just say I'm gay."

Nursey: "He's also situationally unavailable."

[loving-n0t-heyting]

pretty sure that post about people being better off if they choose to be gay is missing the part where you factor in that, even assuming that straight dating norms are way worse than gay ones to the point it outweighs all of homophobia (which seems absurd to me but whatever), just by the sheer numbers of things. you are more likely to find someone you want to date. when you are straight. than when you are gay. like having a good relationship relies on you and someone else having compatibility on many levels, but most fundamentally you have to both be able to be into each other. and the sheer numbers of things is that when you're gay, like 99% of the people you want to date lack even the capacity to want to date you, even before you screen for compatibility. this is a fundamental non-issue for straight dating. you can at least assume pretty reasonably that someone you're interested in would be able to like you back.

Well first 99% of yr romantic interests will be non-samesexattracted only if yr crushes are inversely correlated with orientational conpatibility

But anyway this neglects that what is ultimately significant is not the absolute number of available partners but the ratio of [ppl you are compatible with] to [ppl (including you) that they are compatible with], and the fact that gay ppl of a gender all are in one another’s pool of orientationally compatible partners means the ratio should be closer to even for gays than straights (like I pointed out to trivially in the notes)

Also the modality “able to be” in play here is weird. If you’re a straight woman and the man you’re into just can’t stand the sound of yr voice, in what important sense “could” he be into you? Orientational requirement is just one more form of dealbreaker, and since what matters ultimately is whether people actually reciprocate your interest (nobody dates counterfactual girls/boys/etc), elevating this particular variety of incompatibility to this exalted plane seems like just so much mysticism. Obviously it can serve an important function psychologically by stopping you from relenting on this dealbreaker when you might compromise on others, but the solution here is to respect your romantic standards generally more and not to pick and choose some of them about which to wax poetic and modal

ETA: also ofc most of these concerns disappear if you are also attracted to some ppl of your own sex and choose to live as bi rather than restricting yourself to living as mono gay

[clusterfuckclub]

His cock chubbed up visibly at the praise. Even if it was from someone he wasn’t orientationally attracted to. "I’m everyone’s wet dream huh?” He laughed quietly, shaking his head. The movement made his cock swayed in under the grey sweatpants, the length hung low down one leg, the flared head visible under the soft fabric. 

“A hole’s a hole? Wouldn’t you like that, being a hole for me to nut in?” What a faggot, debasing himself to a set of holes in hope that it would pique Zach’s interest. “Bro, you’re so gonna get cancelled if you said that to the gays at my school. I’m cool though.” He gestured between the two of them. “We’re cool.” 

The offer gave him a pause. Damn. A hundred. That was more than a full shift. Zach let out a breath, rubbing the back of his head as he considered the offer. “Fuck me.” He muttered. “Alright, I’ll let you suck it. For five minutes. If you can’t make me nut in five minutes, your loss. Deal?” 

clusterfuckclub​:

That offer he expected. Zach could use the extra tip - it was his last delivery of the night, and all he had in plans was some video games and maybe jerking off. Might as well get paid. “Ten bucks and I’ll let you look at it.” Was that too much? Too little? He’d never been offered cash before. Prior to Dude, all the extra tip he had earned was head and an occasional quick fuck. Shit, he might have had better luck if his cock wasn’t so gargantuan. But then again, if it wasn’t noticable, then perhaps he wouldn’t get noticed.

But anyways. 

He could see a protest forming on Dude’s lips. “I’m straight, bro.” Zach deadpanned. “Ain’t gonna let you touch my dick or anything queer like that.” Pausing to gauge the older man’s reaction, he had to ask himself why his customer was so desperate. Dude wasn’t ugly, hell, even Zach could see that the man was handsome. He was fit and tall (not as tall as Zach, but not many was) and shouldn’t have any trouble getting laid. Gay guys were notoriously slutty, after all. 

His gaze landed on the handle of tequila on the kitchen table. Oh, that’s why. “Listen, seeing how hungry for cock you are, for twenty I’ll jerk if for you, how’s that? You can even lick my load up after. Last offer.”

-

He was expecting to be turned down again but much to his surprise the delivery guy seemed to go for his offer; and to his disappointment it wasn’t exactly what he was hoping for. “Uh, okay…” he mumbled in reply as he crossed his arms over his chest. He was in no position to negotiate– in fact, he shouldn’t have been having this conversation with the complete stranger at all. Taylor should have given him his money, sent him a tip, and sent him on his way… but the man was worked up and once he had something on his mind it was hard for him to change it.

“I know, I know,” he replied with a sigh and a nod of his head. “I wasn’t trying to pressure you or insinuate you weren’t…” no, he was just desperate and wanted the kid whose name he didn’t even know to dick him down while the pizza he delivered got cold on the counter. “I’ve got a bit of a one track mind, sorry.” Taylor offered with a shrug of his shoulders. “It’s been too long since I’ve been laid and, dude, you’re basically everyone’s wet dream so I figured I’d shoot my shot. Messing around with me, by the way, wouldn’t change the fact your straight.” Was he really so desperate he was about to say that ridiculous line he hated hearing? Yes. Yes he was. “I mean, a hole is a hole, but it especially doesn’t count if I’m paying you.”

Chuckling to himself rather than arguing, when the delivery guy called him out for being hungry for cock all Taylor did was nod along; he was right after all. “Okay,” he shouldn’t press his luck, what the kid was offering him was better than nothing but he couldn’t help one last attempt. “I was going to offer a hundred to let me suck you off– but if you don’t want to do more than that, twenty to watch you jerk and lick up your load after is fine. That works for me…”

[spoonyglitteraunt]

Any last words before we, once again, have to jump of off something high into the dangerous depths below with no regards for our safety or sanity? Really need to get that sign around my neck gilded.

Yeah that doesn’t look good. Link’s life motto at this point.

*Throw seed mumbling* And then there was light! Some at least. Now what?

Yeah no worries buddy, disembodied voices calling to you seems to be all the rage these days. I started a trend.

Did I just take a screenshot of a very big ass on a headless statue? Yes, yes I did. Can’t forget fat ass representation, thanks.

What is it in this game that brings the stubborn out of me? Unreachable terrain this early in the game. Not if I have something to say about it!

Yes I spent ages trying to climb and finagle my way up a huge cliff and eventually managed to find a way to haphazardly float up there. And it isn’t even really useful. Also I’m totally not distracted again, nope nope.

Another epic temple design I’m probably going to curse as I go through.

Yunobo what will it take for you to stop rolling off?!

Who wants to bet how many times I end up in the lava. If you guess correctly you win… the honour of being right, because I’m a broke ass person who had to get the game as a gift, so all I can give you is a thumbs up.

Yunoboooo…!

Fine you can wait for ME until I open this chest. Nah.

That does not look good. Again.

This is not a good place for orientationally confused people. The map is zero help.

Why do the lock heads in the fire temple look like the Zora of older games?

*Link zipping back and forth on the rail tracks trying to figure out how to make it go up. Meanwhile elsewhere in the temple the monster is wondering when the elfboy will arrive already. He’s been down there for ages now.

I gave in and looked up the last location, because I could NOT figure it out. Turns out I was supposed to know you had to rocket blast yourself over broken rail tracks? Like, I’m sorry but if you provide me broken tracks over lava my instinct is not to go let’s jump that.

Here we go, wish me luck imaginary person reading this in the future when I’ve already either finished or lost this battle.

Zelda’s not home right now, please leave a message after your death.

Focus on us right now Yonobo, Zelda can fend for herself, we’re the ones risking being squashed.

I like the rock crab design and I enjoy blasting its legs out from under it. But darn it, can it stop scuttling away! Each time I aim my boulder boy at the ceiling part where it was sitting it somehow manages to suddenly be elsewhere entirely. And there it goes again.

You are great Yunobo, believe in yourself, I totally do. You’ve got this. Go get that new non-mind-control bling!

“Hold out your fist Link”: me like an idiot holding out my fist to the screen. Look epic moments are epic ok. I’m elfboy enough to admit it.

So uh, no one going to explain why Zelda gave him that mask or if we got both a Zelda and a not-a-Zelda? Yes? No? Maybe later or so?

This path up the mountain is feeling incredibly nostalgic. Doesn’t it buddy? Although last time there was a lot more flaming death from above and I didn’t have a ghost birdie floating behind me.

Ok the rollercoaster around the mountain is fun. Especially the shooty shooty at enemies.

Yunobo, please wait for me. I do not have your rolling speed. What is it with these people and not waiting for me.

Don’t worry Yunobo, who hasn’t had some bouts of amnesia.

That’s not good. I say once again.

But are we really already doing a boss battle? This feels premature.

Oh, I see what you did there with the shrine teaching me how to drive a flyer. Now if only I had better coordination.

I’m going to hate this, aren’t I?

“What, do you need to prepare more?” No buddy, I just suck at steering.

If I thought the previous boss battle was me vs the camera this is worse.

The upside of being bad at steering is that the game can’t predict where to aim its projectiles because I’m constantly wobbling all over the place.

If I were better at art I’d have to make something with a very confused Link (attempting to) driving a flyer, Yunobo barely hanging on, a ghost birdie sort of flapping about and a very frustrated boss monster going, just hold still for two seconds, damn it!

This wasn’t the boss fight was it? We’re going to have to go down there, don’t we? Can I take a rain check? No? Fiiiine.