#not Orin either

[scriv3lloirl]

Do u like seymour x audrey better or orin x seymour better?

Well, normally I'd jus say polyamory, but seein as that ain't an option.. Orin x Seymour.

Audrey x Seymour is still an adorable ship, n I don't hate it. Certain version of th' musical make me appreciate it a lot more. But th' movie? ...no. They make me violent in a not silly way.

Seymour doesn't deserve her. I know he's tryin his best, but.. yea, it isn't enough.

[truly-sincerely]

Even More Comprehensive BG3 Timeline

(Now with citations!) Years in (paren) are confirmed, all other lines are approximations. For my own sanity this timeline is based on available in-game information and not the Forgotten Realms at large.

1450s

Enver Flymm born

Gale Dekarios born (1457)

Enver Flymm sold to Raphael by his parents, renamed Gortash

Gortash learns about Crown of Karsus while a prisoner of Raphael

Karlach Cliffgate born

1460s

Gortash escapes the House of Hope

Gale Dekarios summons Tara the Tressym (1467)

Wyll Ravengard born (1468)

1470s

Lae’zel of K’liir born (1470)

Gortash in his Heapside Reavers period

Gortash rebrands as a black market arms dealer

Orin the Red born to Helena and Sarevok Anchev

Durge begins their serial killing spree in Baldur’s Gate (1477)

The Emperor dominates Duke Belynne Stelmane (1479)

1480s

Elminster resurrects Mystra (1480)

Gortash trades Karlach to Zariel for infernal machines & iron (1482)

Baldur’s Gate’s Beloved Ranger statue goes missing (1482)

Duke Abdel Adrian murdered during Returning Day speech (1482) - Bhaal resurrected - Ulder Ravengard replaces Adrian as Marshall and as Duke

Orin kills her mother Helena in self-defense

Gortash recruits Franc Peartree to distribute infernal iron weapons

Gortash establishes a cult of Bane in Baldur’s Gate

Gortash approaches Durge about an alliance

Gortash moves against the Zhentarim & Knights of the Shield

Ulder Ravengard named Grand Duke

Wyll Ravengard pact with Mizora, leaves Baldur’s Gate (1485)

Dead Three made aware of the Crown of Karsus (most likely informed by Gortash)* - Gortash becomes Bane’s Chosen - Durge becomes Bhaal’s chosen - Gortash & Durge are instructed to recruit Ketheric

Gortash tells Durge about Crown of Karsus (via correspondence)

Hall/House of Wonders test mission* - Durge gets Bhaalist memorabilia - Gortash gets a bunch of Gondian designs - Durge & Gortash get companionship

1490s

The Chosen visit Ketheric at Moonrise, learn about Illithid colony

Gortash & Durge visit the House of Hope (for intel on Mephistar?)

Gortash & Durge raid Mephistar - They get the Crown of Karsus - They get the book on the accelerated grand design

Gortash captures the Emperor

Gortash & Durge return to Moonrise - Their identities are kept secret from Ketheric’s people - Durge impresses the Moonrise Gnolls, but not Steelclaw - Ketheric yells at Durge in the throne room for an unknown reason

Durge proposes their plan to the Elder Brain who accepts

Raid on the illithid colony (1491) - Durge puts the Crown on the Elder Brain - Orin gets Durge alone during the raid & stabs them in the head - Orin tadpoles Durge, making them the first True Soul - Orin declares herself the Chosen of Bhaal

1492

Durge is found by Kressa Bonedaughter

Minsc captured by Absolutists at a recruitment rally in the Undercity

Gortash gets weird and intense with unethical experiments - Some futzing to get the tadpoles to consistently remain in stasis - This is when the name ‘True Souls’ gets coined - Extremely questionable fun with brains - Getting the Absolute’s voice sorted out - Tadpoling his parents - Poorly conceived experiments on children & their parents

Gortash has Iron Throne converted to hold hostages

Gortash presents prototype Steel Watcher to the city council

Jaheira tracks cult to shadow-cursed land, meets Isobel

Minthara Baenre is 'recruited' by Orin and Ketheric

The Descent, Elturel fall into Avernus happens

Duke Vanthampur revealed as a diabolist, killed by adventurers

Guild Bursar Uktar launders money for Gortash’s Campaign funds

Isobel is resurrected by the Dead Three

The Elder Brain sends the Chosen dreams about the Astral Prism

Gortash researches the Prism, finds out that Vlaakith has it

Gortash tasks Ketheric with sending a team to get the Astral Prism - They send a nautiloid piloted by the Emperor and other illithid - The Elder Brain lets the Emperor slip its leash - Magthew Budj arranges for Durge to be on the nautiloid as well

Gortash deploys Steel Watch in Lower/Outer City

At this point Elturel is no longer in Avernus

First Druid Halsin captured by goblins

Nautiloid picks up Shadowheart & the Prism from Astral Plane

Nautiloid picks up Lae’zel

Nautiloid goes to Baldur’s Gate, picks up Gale & Astarion

Nautiloid goes to Avernus, picks up Karlach & Wyll

Nautiloid crashes, (20 Eleasis, 1492)

Some helpful links:

A page from Sarevok’s book: Sarevok - (Murder tribunal)

Accelerated Grand Design: Gortash - (Gortash's Office)

An Offer: Gortash - (Peartree basement)

Aquatic Labor: Gortash - (Flymm’s Cargo Basement)

Baldur’s Gate Temple of Bhaal: Yanthus - (Gortash’s Office)

Balthazar’s Notes: Balthazar - (Necrotic laboratory)

Clasped Book: Balthazar - (Balthazar’s chambers)

Devil’s Fee Observer’s Report**: Himberloo - (Nine-Fingers’ office)

Elder Brain Domination: Ketheric/Yanthus - (Ketheric’s Room)

Enhanced Weapons - Sales Ledger: Peartree - (Peartree basement)

Experiment on Cruor: Orin - (Temple of Bhaal)

How To Build a Watcher: deceased Gondian - (Steel Watch foundry) 

Journal of Enver Gortash: Gortash - (Gortash’s Office)

Magical Histories: Volume 2: The Spellplague: unknown - (Sorcerous Sundries)

Memoir Notes with Recent Addenda: Gortash - (Gortash’s office)

Missive from Gortash: Gortash - (Ketheric’s room)

Missive from Ketheric: Ketheric - (Moonrise, 2nd floor)

Mistress of Souls’ Research Log: Kressa - (Mind flayer barracks)

My Gratitude: Gortash - To Peartree (Peartree basement)

Next Steps: Gortash - (Gortash’s office)

Prayer for Forgiveness: Durge - (Necrotic laboratory)

Scrapbook of Letters: Gortash/Durge - (Flymm’s Cobblers)

Special Operations - Infernal Arms: Uktar - 

Studies of the Elder Brains: Gortash/Yanthus - (Gortash’s Office)

Suspended Ceremorphosis: Gortash/Yanthus - (Tadpoling center)

Test Mission with Gortash: Durge - (Temple of Bhaal)

The Astral Prism Heist: Gortash - (Gortash’s office)

The Dukes of Baldur’s Gate: unknown - (Baldur’s Mouth/Peartree’s house)

The Grand Design: Gortash/Yanthus - (Mind flayer colony)

The True Life of ‘Lord’ Gortash: a skeleton - (Wyrm’s Rock Prison)

The Ultimate State: Gortash - (Gortash’s office/Flymm’s Cobblers)

*an in-game contradiction between Gortash and Durge. See: ‘Test Mission with Gortash’ and ‘Memoir Notes with Recent Addenda’. I’ve placed it after, but there’s also a legitimate argument to be made that Gortash and Durge met and became allies much earlier, possibly around the same time as Gortash’s betrayal of Karlach

Additionally, the House of Wonders (church/workshop) and the Hall of Wonders (museum) are two different buildings in the Upper City. Durge writes that the Hall is their target, while Gortash writes that the House is their target. It is my opinion that they hit both locations.

**no link cuz the bg3.wiki doesn’t have it??

[lets-go-hurt-someone]

No wonder Gortash was unfazed or even amused by Durge’s gross and unhinged antics, he literally grew up with a devil who liked to shit in a pot in front of a statue of his dad. Shock value must be utterly wasted on him.

[defira85]

Constantine

@gortash-week "Gortoween" - Horror Movie Crossover

Enver Constantine knows his days are numbered. Trapped in hell as a teenager, his soul is bound for an eternity of suffering the moment he dies. When a peculiar woman approaches him to investigate her sister's apparent suicide, he finds himself tangled with forces determined to bring about the apocalypse - and perhaps bring his doom around that much faster

I'm a giant weenie that can't watch horror movies, but the one horror movie I HAVE watched and been permanently marked by is the 2005 Constantine. Is it sort of more superhero dark fantasy than true horror? Maybe! Like I said, I'm a weenie

The comparison between Gortash and Constantine doesn't hold water for long so unfortunately there's no fic to go with it

I'm posting early because I don't know if I'll make it to Halloween given the DATV embargo lifts today so... enjoy!

[proffbon]

So the coronation scene, huh...

[nylilcosmos]

a bit ooc but thinking about durge doing orins hair

[strawberrypinky]

basically a shower thought BUT:

When Gortash speaks to Durge about the Temple of Bhaal, he says he does not know where it is located. However, the Temple of Bhaal is basically right next to the same boat which takes the player & party to the Morphic Pool of the Elder Brain.

Does Gortash teleport to the Morphic Pool of the Elder Brain? Are there multiple entrances from which he can access it? Because if not & he takes the same old boat Tav/Durge take to reach it —

How did he miss the Temple of Bhaal?? It is literally next door???

[hesaprofessional]

Shout out to Seymour and Audrey for possibly being the fictional couple with the worst communication skills. Literally they're so bad that the world ended because of it

[zuutiomi]

somehow Ketheric,Orin and Gortash give me powerpuff girls vibes

[baesooraya]

Haven't properly gotten into Durge yet but bare with me:

from what we've seen, Durge's opinion of Orin wasn't too great; complaining that she is playing with her pray and the aftermath of them as with toys, taking her damn time and not really understanding the point of their Lord Bhaal - it is not the spectacle of mxrder but the act itself that is valued - destruction of all life - and in his name.

So imagine the rage, envy and animosity Orin had felt when her (in my case) 'big sister' - the favourite in the family who starts to get an even more important role in the grand scheme - starts to get entangled with Gortash and his manipulative ways of domination - and not destruction how Bhaal wills it.

As she herself says: '…the little lordling has been whispering in your ears? He always knew how to tumble and twist your mind matter, leave you knotted in his cords.'

Now, ignoring how absolutely deranged that line makes me (lmao) I can fully understand Orin, no matter how messed up she is: besides being the preferred spawn, Durge would also be getting away with meandering or straying from the course of their goal as well- no wonder she decides that she had enough of it and if she can't make herself the favourite, she can make herself the only…

How that pans out for her depends on the Durge, but can't say all too well hah.

[fountainpenguin]

Shout-out to this poor ginger kid on the left who thought he was in band before remembering he's in orchestra:

That must've been an awkward conversation once he got far enough down the hall. In his defense, why did they color code band and orchestra that way on the charts, then have them practice in the opposite color room?

Also, Dev absolutely disgusted with Hazel bringing a violin to band rehearsal:

[youraveragemiscellanyenjoyer]

WOAHAHAAAAAA SEYMOURRR I AM FFFFFFLYIN NOWWWW (i chugged a five hour energy)

[thenugking]

Orin and Minthara?

Minthara

Idk if "not for me" is even accurate because god. She's hot, she's evil, she's traumatised, she's hilarious. She's literally the perfect woman and ticks so many of my boxes and I definitely like her a lot, but she's just--she's not a Blorbo, and why the fuck not??

I'm hoping that if I eventually manage to romance her, it'll unlock the part of my brain that is so willing to go absolutely insane about Minthara, because god she deserves it. But alas. Right now she's just my buddy I wish I was closer to.

Orin

My darling my babygirl my poor little meowmeow the love of my life. She did nothing wrong. She did everything wrong. I want her so bad. No one understands her like I do. Every day I wake up and think of more ways to torture her.

I will make every conversation about her. I will complain about how fucking difficult she is to write and then stick more orin pov scenes in my fic just because I miss her. If there is ever a day that I am not thinking about Orin, I am dead.

She is everything to me and i will never be normal again.

[sun-marie]

potentially a hot take but it is my opinion that open ended, non-linear, exploration-based storytelling in video games is not worth it if it comes at the expense of the story's pacing. If you have a thousand different roads for the player to take but they're all just thrown at the player at once with no rhyme or reason, then no amount of "player agency" is going to make any if them feel satisfying, they now just feel like a chore.

[art-making-grat]

OHHH MY GOD YOU GUYS

i need to share this with all you freaks out there because i saw little shop of horrors at the guthrie theater and the guy who played orin was so cunty and silly and perfect nobody gets it he was amazing

[littleshopofhorrors-confessions]

i have nothing against seymorin shippers or anyone who doesn’t like arthorin, but i’m kind of annoyed by the people who post things like “arthorin isn’t even that good anymore”, or something along those lines.

it’s fine to ship something new and different but you can’t just say that a perfectly good ship that many people still love (me included) is “out” or “boring” or. really anything like that, just because you found something you think is cooler. many moons ago we were all RAVING for arthorin, we used to love arthorin :(

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