#nexomon extinction theory

[tulipsnflowers]

Another theory post boys

I can't be the only one to see the normal type like.. Physically fading, right?

Here's the thing, obviously, there is the possibility of James being like actually dead which is not helping, but like, here's how I see it:

.. Normal type is weaker in n2. But a long shot. It's no longer neutral, it has two weaknesses and no strengths to even it out, it's now out benefited by Psychic to be on that 6th team slot.

But, the more important thing, where the heck is the 'Normal' (I'll be referring to them as 'Energy' for the sake of not sounding silly,) shard?

Like, ok, it might seem unimportant, but we have the Phantom and Mind shards but no Energy shards. And before you say there's nobody to revive and that's why, I'd point to the Phantom and Mind shards yet again, heck one of those doesn't even have a primordial

And if you want to say Phantom shards are used in that one Ignitia mission, they are, but Mind shards are used absolutely no where and are there for flavor.

So there's nothing stopping JV from adding like, cores for speed and making them Electric and Energy shard based for a new core.

But there just aren't any Energy shards, which is really weird when Mind ones are a thing

Additionally, there is 0 Normal/Power/Energy Nexotraps.

There's a Nexotrap to boost your odds with each type.... Expept for Normal

From a development standpoint, this is very weird, I mean, why make one type of nexomon that much harder to catch? Normal Nexotraps (... Power Nexotraps from now on) are even in concert art!

Like, why do you not have like, Power Nexotraps and Energy shards, that's really fricking weird. Like, both of those sound like they should be there to complete the set, one of each

... But they're not. Granted, there is still the Drake of Power(because his Attribute is the Attribute of Power) but like, that's because Amelie was doing that herself.

What I'm getting is that, Normal as a type, is going thin. And if that's the case, I fear for James (aka the nexolord/elf), I truly do

Twice is still a coincidence, but once it ticks over to three...

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[player-1]

I know it's going to be a while for me to jump back to the Nexomon tag when the next chapter for my fic drops (and believe me, that's going to take a while), there's been a semi-crazy theory I've been going over since I was thinking of weaseling it into the fic (especially during the NexoLords Frozen Tundra arc) since it's something that doesn't seem to make sense in hindsight.

Namely with the NexoLords' attempt of reviving Omnicron, and even the earlier run-in with the goons holding a bunch of bomb-experts hostage and possibly planning to use the dynamite for their own plan...What if before the Guild stopped them in their tracks, what if they had a previous attempt to revive Omnicron, failed, and were trying to cover their tracks is the second time went bust? What if the NexoLords accidentally created a Tyrant that was nothing like the great King of Monsters but the heir of Omnicron's heir the first time around?

(Minor spoilers for Micromon, major spoilers for Nexomon 1, post-N1, Nexomon Extinction, and a bunch of rambling/theory crafting below)

TL;DR: Reverse doomsday cult in Frozen Tundra "accidentally" create a monster beyond their comprehension, abandoned it at Palmaya and perpetuate the cycle of neglect Omnicron started with his "weakest child" Metta, the one true heir to the King of Monsters...Then both their plans gets ruined by a blue-haired kid.

Like I made as a joke but already plausible theory, Omnicron's youngest kid Metta (the glass pinata with a titanium ego) would've been considered the king's heir due to his moveset following every bit of his power over all elements at once. But given Metta's (gestures wildly at everything) and not immediately putting the fear of Nexo-God onto humanity, he was ignored and cast aside as the lesser of Omnicron's children...Of course, until everything that happens before and after Nexomon 1. Apart from Metta being murked from Extinction's story due to the dev not wanting to develop his character further (or also from how congested the story is already with all the protags/antagonists); there are plenty of little easter eggs that still show Metta's influence on the world long into the Tyrant War and up until N:E's story. Like him previously making a resurrection machine to revive Omnicron and his siblings and his teacher/unofficial father-figure Malk having a database in a variety of "Nexomon" similar but unknown to the public (Micromon/Pixekai Project); ultimately leading to the NexoLords (and Lobo the ex-Guild Grandmaster) finding the machine's blueprint and Amelie and Logan finding the database and extracting the info to create a anti-Tyrant weapon to topple the war in their favor and end the mindless violence once and for all. And all of this was in the Frozen Tundra, mind you, and most likely in Metta's old home or in Omnicron's Tower/Tomb; though I'm all on the former being the case :).

Circling back to the NexoLords, obviously assuming they had a chance to revive Omnicron and "restore the world's order" with their new blueprints, jumped straight into building/testing out the machine in the tower where Omnicron was once slain long long ago. Maybe they used a Nexomon egg as the catalyst, maybe gathered some residual energy in the ancient site no sane person dared to venture to; but the Nexomon they got was nothing any of them had expected. It was something human-like but not, a Tyrant but not, and a Nexomon with stars in their eyes and a bright smile against the harsh and destructive world around them...

-That's right, this was a Byeol theory rant all along! And there's nothing you can do to stop me now!! >:D To try and make a more long story short, it makes some sense to me if the NexoLords (and by extension Lobo) made Byeol in their first and only known attempt to revive the doggo dad himself (going heavy in the copium since Omnicron's soul was completely destroyed after N1), so they had to work with what they had even if they had no idea what kind of ancient/primordial Tyrant they're channeling to achieve "world peace". Besides, even if Lobo was the ex-Guild leader and had every chance to read up on Omnicron's history, who wants to bet he had no idea that Metta existed if he was never considered a threat in the first place in the past? After all, Omnicron was a Normal-type and had power over all the elements, so why would he have a Normal-type kid as well? All of his children were killed off by Ulzar, so they had to go for the source of all Nexomon, the Normal-type monster, that's the most obvious choice! (/s) If that then applies to Lobo accidentally making Metta's Tyrant, then why is Byeol found in Palmaya and not Omnicron's Tower and/or the Frozen Tundra? Simple, the NexoLords really didn't want their token Tyrant being a baby cherub bird-thing and totally not Omnicron, so they dumped him at the one place that's "Tyrant-free" and getting the little guy as far away from their base of operation as possible.

But that's still a bit ironic, you know? Metta, abandoned by his father and siblings for not putting humanity under his thumb, eventually becomes the strongest Nexomon tamer in the world (aka the Nexolord) and putting together a plan to revive his dad to destroy humanity once and for all (and finally be his dad's special little boy :). Then there's Byeol, abandoned by a man with an Omnicron mask and his Children of Omnicron-styled lackeys for not being the true King of Monsters and ending the Tyrant War without anymore bloodshed; (fic-wise) becoming a beacon of hope in Palmaya and exploring the world helping those in need and avoiding Tyrant conflicts at all cost. Cause in Byeol's strangely starry eyes, his idea of world peace is for everyone to be nice and get along, human and Nexomon, simple as that.

Whether or not it if the NexoLords knew their "Tyrant" was being raised to be a goody-two-shoes is up to debate; but I really wanted to figure out someway to explain Byeol's existence other than "he's just a post-story legendary just because" or following the series' gimmick of using post-story 'mon for the next game, but the thought itself is pretty funny to me.

[happiwaffles]

I’ve been replaying Nexomon Extinction, and one thought has dominated the others:

how do I write about narrative foils who, by definition, can’t be narrative foils because they don’t exist within the same franchise, but are nonetheless the mirror to each other’s characters?

Both bridges, both kings, they determine the fate of both man and ‘mon,

but whereas one is raised to burn that bridge, having been exposed to the plight of Pokemon at a disproportionate scale and thus coming to the conclusion that separation equals his friends’ salvation,

the other is born to build it, having lived amongst humans, loved as a human, and yet, as it turns out, being a Tyrant — humanity’s enemy — all along. But still, he loves them. But still, he’ll dare to coexist with them.

Both bridges, both kings, but they were raised for different things.

[tulipsnflowers]

I accidentally deleted the post trying to edit it. Welp, sorry for the notification spam, here I go yet again:

It's about Deena. Is anybody surprised, did I actually ever post something that wasn't this plant deer.

.. Anyway. What I am noticing is she's always.. On the losing side? In quotation marks. But she always is one a side and then betrays said side.

Like, when she betrayed Omnicron, she was a nexomon she done that. But then she also just, kinda stabbed her siblings in the back too. Weather or not she helped Ulzar I think remains opinion (He doesn't recognize her in immortal or is helping her cover depending on what you pick), but at the very least emotionally?

Like, they had to be hurt by that. And she had to be, too. I refuse to imagine they don't care about each other (bonus points if Metta just doesn't show up again because with the main developer hating him there's a chance which is like, more layers)

And in n2 she for one died for it. Which may have made me cry in the past, but she also.. Kinda threw the relationship with her kid to the side, too.

Not that I think she wanted to, nor do I think it's irreparable(I mean look at Fenrir he agreed to her dumbass plan he does somewhat care now, so she's got that going) but she did.

But her standing against the guild was because of her helping slay Omnicron which was because she made the choice of betraying her family back then.

... And I think she's going to keep this cycle going. Because she lost so much at this point that, if she in n3 or n4 or n1938 or whatever actually just stops, then, what was all of it for in the first place?

She made a choice and now she has to continue making it. Including in n3, I just fear what comes next..

Thanks for coming to my Ted talk for the second time

With the Abyssal portions defeated, time for the final thoughts on Nexomon Extinction.

The Abyssals are exactly what I wanted out of the Tyrants.

My biggest complaint story-wise for this game was that the Tyrants themselves really didn't matter much. There's a thousand-year war among the Tyrants going on, that pushed humanity so far that one Guild leader created a cult to revive Omnicron, and their successor created artificial dragons to hunt Tyrants, an artificial Tyrant to command them, and then another, bigger one when that plan failed. But despite how significant this war was...all of the Tyrants we meet are pretty inconsequential, and most are associated with a human who does most of the talking and planning to begin with. I understand that this game is the human errors side of thing after the last game's presentation of the threat of Nexomon, but it's still kinda rough to go through all these story segments with the Tyrants not producing anything substantial. You get to postgame where you can hunt them down, and they're all a pain in the ass to find, with nothing drawing me to them.

The Abyssals, though? This is what I wanted. A thousand years ago, the first Abyssal arrived. And their first act? Killing Hilda. Another is stated to have made an attempt on Eliza's life. These are a much more pressing, salient threat. Sure, Tyrants destroyed cities, but we've never seen them do anything. The Abyssals have personal connection.

Despite their power, the Abyssals are odd in that they never aimed to become Sovereign of Monsters, and they seem immune to Solus' influence as the current Queen. What's presented is a pretty interesting mystery that builds up more questions than it feels like it wants to answer. What's the deal with these weird engravings? Why are Abyssals so weird? Apparently each is born with a clear goal from its creator, but this creator is unknown to them, and their specific goals are incredibly simplistic, with no known overarching goal. They're super unusual.

By gameplay, the Precursor Island is really fun. It might be an odd comparison, but it reminds me of the bonus dungeon of Ib a bit. There's a central location, and your goal is running around everywhere to collect the things you need to progress, solving puzzles that sometime intertwine a bit. It's a really fun system, finding each of the Abyssals and solving their puzzles. The only annoying ones were the flying one (Inominox) and the electric one (Volcel). The rest was really fun. Even the weird maze puzzle was fairly clever, though the final solution was a little...obvious but still hard to figure out the hint.

I think what really sells me on the Abyssals...well, two things. The smaller one is design. The Abyssals are just really cool concepts. Venefelis shows up and is immediately incredible, being super imposing but kinda goofy, and stated outright that he shouldn't be strong enough to pull off the nonsense he has. Kroma is my absolute favorite, and she's set up as super imposing given her drive is killing Eliza, only for Venefelis to rant about how incompetent Kroma is for being the only one of them to fail in her mission. Then there's Screaming Fire Velociraptor, who is hilarious in concept. And Inominox, who is such a coward that it won't face anyone with more than one Nexomon, and that one Nexomon needs to be weak to Flying. Or the soup for Volcel. There's Caelesa, who ran across the world, and was attacked by the Guild for little reason other than paranoia, since she hurt no one in her efforts. There's Pluvian, whose entire goal was to show up, scream, and then get killed by the Guild for no clear reason. There's Rotrimus, who you try to order around, and initially agrees, but is intercepted by the force of their creator bending its will back to refusing your call. It's a really interesting and dynamic group, that apparently has no clear association. Many of them insist they worked alone. They had a creator, but they themselves don't even think of themselves as a unified group. Only Venefelis seems to confirm that they have association.

The other is that this group is delightfully aligned to the themes of the game. Nexomon Extinction has two general themes I can identify. The first is a bit more obvious and repeatedly stated: second chances. The children of Omnicron refer to their support as their redemption, the entire plot is Deena attempting to grant a second chance at saving the world, your resolution of the central conflict is trading the destruction of your direct enemy into granting them a second chance at life. There's an ongoing importance to the idea of getting a second shot at things...but a second shot isn't necessarily going to mean doing better. The former hero comments that your actions amount to the same thing she did, and despite the failures of the dragons, Amelie's second chance is doubling down on a decision that worked out poorly. This leads into the second theme, and the one I like a lot better: the limits of personal agency.

The former hero is a good lens for this one. Repeatedly throughout this game, their actions are referred to as if it was a huge mistake. They themselves talk about it as a mistake. Deena outright calls it stupid decision made by her moronic friends. Even Ulzar, who is more sympathetic to the situation, talks about it as if it were a mistake, if an understandable one. Absolutely everyone treats their actions as something that led to the present problem, and thus was the wrong decision.

But...we were there. Omnicron was going to completely destroy the world. You can argue that the destruction of his soul in the netherworld wasn't necessary, and that was the mistake. But it's well known that he'll come back time and again; it'd be pushing the problem out to the next generation. And Omnicron could follow through. When you fail to destroy him in the Netherworld, Omnicron devastates an area so badly that entire maps are wiped out of reality. This was done in hours. Omnicron tells you outright he could've annihilated the planet in a day, but he stopped solely to challenge his rival, the strongest human, as a matter of pride. This wasn't an idle threat. It was an active, immediate devastation looming on the horizon.

Faced with that, what choice did you really have? Yes, there was a technically a choice. But who could choose the alternative? When humanity is faced with its destruction through the war of the Tyrants, yes, you had a choice to make those dragons or not. But faced with the destruction of multiple cities and further looming threat, what choice did you have? When those failed, you had the choice to stop. But then the destruction of the Tyrants continue unabated. Who would choose to stop? Vados embodies this. He's a creation of Amelie, born to hunt Tyrants to protect humanity. The thing about Vados is that he has agency and beliefs of his own. When told to destroy Petram in spite of the Laterians interfering, he refuses to harm humans. But we know that will happen anyway. We're told repeatedly that the Tyrants will continue to rise, until Vados has destroyed so much that the world is inhospitable to humans as well. He has his own agency, his own desire to protect humanity and protect the world. But he'll betray that through his own actions, regardless of what he wants. He was made to hunt Tyrants, and so he shall, til the end of days. The only way to avert this is to refuse to fight every Tyrant, to refuse to wage this absolute crusade. And that's the only choice he cannot make. He doesn't get a choice.

The Abyssals continue this theme. Like Vados, the Abyssals are created for a singular purpose. They are born with a goal, and that is all they have. They have their own personalities, but few of them seem interested in the specifics of what's going on. Kroma doesn't seem particularly interested in killing Eliza, she just has to. Pluvian doesn't seem to function as a willing sacrifice, but she does it anyway because that's her goal. Regardless of what they want, they will carry out their goal.

Unlike Vados, though, they have no overarching philosophy. Nothing that specifically guides their actions beyond the immediate. Caelesa runs around the world, but she doesn't seem to understand why. So when their goal is accomplished, despite getting a second chance at life...none of them know what to do with it. So they just sit around, completely docile, until you strike them down again. What other choice did they have? They never knew what they were aiming to do in the first place.

Except for Venefelis. The first Abyssal. At first, he had no idea what his point was. He had a goal, carried it out, and got sealed within the woods forever. Not ideal, but mission accomplished. Then 300 years later, another entity like him appears, carrying out a similarly short-sighted goal. Then 200 years later, another. And another 100 years after that. They appear faster and faster, until we get two within ten years. And as the only one to really survive, even if just as a spirit...you recognize the pattern. After all, Venefelis understands Caelesa's goal better than she understands it herself. She thinks it was just running, but Venefelis identifies it as a scouting mission. You know there's a grander design here; a purpose. But you can't figure out what. Because no one will tell you. You creator, the one guiding your motions, won't speak to you.

What else can you do but try to divine their intent? With nothing else to go off of, you watch their actions, and notice only one thing stands out. Kroma failed, and following that, no other Abyssals were created. Maybe your creator quit. Maybe it's because of Kroma. You don't know that, but what else could it be? You don't understand your purpose, but you desperately want to understand it; to know why you're still here. What choice do you have but to force a second chance on her? To enforce your creator's will, regardless of what she'd want? What choice does she have but to obey?

The twisted thing is, there really is nothing else for them. Rotramus shows this definitively. When you attempt to issue a command, he thinks about it, and passively decides sure, I'll help. It's not the resounding success of an authority check commanding its allegiance. It's someone making a choice, as if it has nothing better to do and no reason to argue. But its creator's will forces it to refuse. Even with its goal accomplished, and no reason to refuse, they interfere, denying your freedom. Quite literally, you have no other choice.

Everything that happens in this arc is driven by Venefelis' desires. His agency, his desire to understand his creator, drives everything forward. No one else even understands why they're here. They didn't have much choice either way. He brought them back, gave them a second chance they had no use for. But what else could he have done? To see what he wanted done, all he could do was solve Kroma's failure by pushing her into another attempt. And it wouldn't have even worked. It was entirely for nothing. But what can you do but try? You technically have a choice. You finished your goal, you could just let it all rest. But faced with the dread of an eternity devoid of purpose, who would choose any different?

Despite how many open-ended threads there are, and how many mysteries we're left with, this does feel like a self-contained story. We don't know what the point is. We don't know what it means. But neither did they. And the result of that ignorance, that impossibility, is they existed unable to live for themselves, and no second chance could get them to defy that fate. Which really resonates with me. I loved this side story a lot, and these open questions have really gotten me interested in the sequel game. I've heard they officially announced its existence but not a release date or any details. I can be patient. But I'm really invested in this one. They really hit a sweet spot here.

[nayvwriter]

My New Ghost Type Theory

(Nexomon Extinction Spoilers)

(Lots of images in this post, but the text should hopefully explain the key features of them well enough?)

So if you've been on nexomon tumblr for a while, you've probably seen either me or @tulipsnflowers talking about ghost type theories.

If you haven't, the background is this: every type in Nexomon 1 has at least one Primordial Tyrant attached. This is no longer the case by Nexomon Extinction.

The Ghost-type doesn't have one. But Ghost and Psychic both appeared between games. If you go by the headcanon that the rest of the types appeared when a Primordial Tyrant of that type was made, what happened to create the Ghost-type? We have several theories, many of which are… Somewhat unlikely. I've come up with another one. Bear with me.

So I was looking into Nexomon types. Looking for patterns, mostly. Didn't really expect to find any.

Have a couple of diagrams of the types in Nexomon 1, what beats what.

Nice and neat. Also there are so many rock-paper-scissors style triangles (I count five?)

N2 is… less neat. Here's a diagram with them in a circle by birth order.

I swear this is going somewhere. You'll notice that I've put Ghost before Psychic and after Electric for lack of better ideas, and Normal just off to the side because it's weird.

Do you notice that there's almost a circle around the outside?

If we remove Ghost, it looks like this. Excluding the break between Psychic (last) and Mineral (first) which is only there for visibility reasons (this might as well be a line)… This has a circle around the outside, with almost every type beating the previous one in a fight. The ones that don't are weak to (Nara, both sides) or mutually effective (Psychic and Electric).

So what if you make it an entire circle?

If you try and make it an entirely anticlockwise circle with all of the nine types, you end up with this nonsense, which makes no sense.

This is because including Normal messes everything up. I promise I know where I'm going with this.

If you just ignore Normal and try and make a circle including Ghost, then there's one particular place it goes. Between Wind and Fire.

Ignore Normal being awkwardly at the top I will explain that later.

Point is. Look! A (broken) circle! Mostly anticlockwise, with types beating the types before them, other than Psychic and both sides of Plant. But why would this mean anything? Ghost couldn't possibly be there…

Could it?

This is about where I remember a very specific line in Nexomon Extinction.

I forgot to screenshot it on my playthrough, so I screenshotted a youtube video.

Fenrir calls himself the third son of Omnicron. Not third child. Third son. So unless Nadine is transgender… who was the second?

(Realistically this is probably a mistake on the developer's part. However.)

Bear with me a second… what if Omnicron made his children's types deliberately, always trying to create a stronger type? One that could beat the previous type? That explains why the circle is mostly anticlockwise. It explains why Psychic doesn't entirely fit, because Solus wasn't a child of Omnicron. It explains Normal, because Metta had all of their powers, making versatility his strength, so that's why he wasn't specifically stronger.

(Another fun thing about that theory is that it raises the possibility Nara deliberately made Solus's type weak to her own. Just in case.)

It doesn't explain why Nara doesn't fit. So let me show you this.

Mineral, Wind, Ghost, Fire, Water, Electric, Plant, Normal.

I've put Ghost in between Wind and Fire, and Plant after Electric.

The broken circle is entirely anticlockwise now. Omnicron trying to make a stronger type again and again, finishing with Metta who could command them all… What if this was how it went?

In this situation, assuming Mysterious Ghost Child is male, Fenrir is the third son of Omnicron. Merida is still the fifth child of Omnicron, and Zetta still the sixth. Nara's shifted position, but the only one who told us of Nara's position was Deena, and we know Deena's not against lying…

So the obvious question is – what happened to the ghost? Answer: Omnicron happened. Omnicron might have been a bit nervous about a child who could beat his own type. And one way or another, it all came to a head. And Omnicron banished his child directly to the Netherworld, removing their type from existence.

After this, the Children of Omnicron don't talk about their lost sibling. Hence why Fenrir calls himself third child of Omnicron at some point – he's pretending his ghost brother didn't exist. Merida and Zetta don't go quite that far, though. And Deena never actually states her position in n1 – she does say Omnicron had seven children, but she could also be pretending he didn't exist.

This has the effect of making humanity put the pieces together and figure Nara must have been fourth. Deena, by n2, just sort of shrugs. Let's Go With That. She is not an information-sharer and she is not explaining her second-oldest brother.

Mysterious Ghost Type, meanwhile, escaped from the Netherworld when Blue broke in, and that's why the Ghost type is back in n2.

Another thing this could explain is who Ziegler's prisoner is? Because he doesn't seem to be assigned one, in n1. It's vaguely implied it could be the protagonist, but I don't think that works. Of course, he could just not have one, but if he did maybe it was this ghost Primordial.

There are a few timing questions here – when was the ghost-type brother banished? And… does Metta know about all this? He could not know if he was born after Ghost was banished.

So yeah. It's quite an out-there theory, but it works.

I have more thoughts on this (like the fact Fenrir and this guy probably know each other somehow) and also a design (thank you Tulip) and I think a name? Umbra, from Latin for shadow. But I've rambled for quite long enough now. I hope this made sense!

[jangmo-othewarrior]

#429: Hurriplume

An oddball of a Tyrant that watches both Nexomon and humans with a calculating eye. All eyewitness accounts feel as if they had been seen through and analyzed for little understood reason. Hurriplume soars above the continent, simply watching, despite the near halt of Tryant Incidents recently. It's methods are unknown, but the Guild managed to injure it recently. Since then, it has not been seen flying, but the watching has not stopped.

And there we go! It's been a bit, but Hurriplume (name pending) is finally done! Obviously, I have only hinted at its and Obsidiburn's story in doodles and the Nexopedia descriptions, but.... these sketches I have made of the duo have had hints to the plot in them from the very beginning... >:)

[tulipsnflowers]

AS our resident ghost type enthusiast, I ask you:

*holds out microphone

Ghost types. Tell us more. Your thoughts?

Well I'm very glad you asked

(takes the mic out of your hands)

.... Fricking. Ghost types.

Okay so let's start from the beginning, I fricking hate Ulzar but I have to at least half take it into consideration

Bastard said that each of the 7 had their own offspring being Nexomon and that's how they came to be.

How true this is is up to debate, but, still. CoO made nexomon that carry their element, checks out.

No 2 is actually Jin/Atlanta/Lydia. I forgot who says it but I know it's said Jin sealed Fen off so that no more tyrants can be born. And that when Lydia knows you have an egg she immediately tells you to go bother Nadine.

Therefore, I'm going to assume that one must need element powers to hatch tyrants, more specifically laylines. And this makes sense! (Not your post Byeol go to the corner.) I mean, the Plant type tyrant is literally Tikala, who was a warden, because Deena probably wouldn't have. And there's no Psychic because I mean, Solus was a child, nobody came up to them like "hey kid you wanna bless this egg with psychic powers"

... So then. Ghost. Fane.

Where did they come from, genuinely. It can't be Ziegler, he's a normal type. Even if he wasn't it'd still have weird implications.

We have this whole lore and world building about this being the case, and then ghost shows up.

It's the only type without a primordial! How did you exist if you had nothing to come from???

It even has shards and traps! Normal doesn't have shards and traps!!!

So where did you come from??

It has to be something, somehow. I just- it's do weird, AND it's gone in n3!!! It just stayed around a bit and then left, what the heck!!!!!

This is why I have Aster (I promise I'm working on this) and Sasha(This kangaroo won't leave me be istg-) among others. I need reason as to why Ghost is a thing.

I obviously don't think Aster is a thing that canonically happened, so, here's some:

1. Ghost came from Hilda screwing on about, and her curse effecting Nexomon, I'm only willing to accept this if there's 0 ghosts in n3

2. Ghost came from Amelie trying to stop Tyrants. Because imagine pre Solus for a second. Normal was an unstoppable force as far as elements went. No counters, no nothing. So maybe she just fucked about (her or Malk, because James' steppdad would probably have his blood or something from being a scientist and making sure that glass ball has his rabbies shots) making Ghost on accident. If anyone's doing this I expect a Ghost type primordial design on my desk by 5. Because they existed for at least a moment

3. Deena's scrapped plotline of having a different kid first. This fucks up her characterization just a little bit (a lot) though so thread carefully I guess.

4. The abyssal person did it because we still don't know what they are. Seer? Probably. But maybe they're related to Omnicron or something who fricking knows, not me. Also no I don't think it's James sorry other theory person. So maybe it's Kroma? Like the first real Ghost type, I mean I even have a human design, she'd just need some gold...

5. It's Normal decaying at different speeds. Ghost is sometimes described by Decay after all. This one I might have to take in n3, considering I don't think it'd ever get resolved

[tulipsnflowers]

I want all of you to know you can just, send an ask about my theories for anything nexomon and I'll go on forever.

Anything from like, "Ghosts? " to "What do you think of [thing in game]? " absolutely all headcanons

Might make this my new pinned sorry Deena I crave rambling

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Featured Designs:

Metta many forms design

Omnikids Tyrant form redesign

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Ghost type and Deena insanity ahead! ^^

[tulipsnflowers]

Okay, guys, you want me to go on about the most pointless things?

Let's go on about Byeol (and a bit about Fane, I suppose), because I am going insane

Alright everyone, for those unaware, this is Byeol:

This is a tyrant in Nexomon: Extinction, his name is Byeol. The problem about this, however.

He isn't a story tyrant, and this... Makes me very interested in him.

Amelie calls Tyrants super powerful Nexomon, but here's the thing. According to Coco, Jin blocked off the entrance to Fenrir's tomb so that no more Tyrants may be hatched

Lydia also says to go bother Nadine because of the egg, and keep in mind, the grass Tyrant is Tikala. A warden. Probably because Deena didn't necessarily want to add fuel to the fire

So then we are already established that Tyrants are probably always hatched.

... So then what of Fane and especially Byeol?

(And there's no Psychic Tyrants because... Solus would be too lil to bonk an egg, and nobody would ask a random kid to do so.)

Well, let's go with the easier one, in which I ask yet again, what's up with the Ghost type? I've wanted to throw hands about it for a long time.

(Ulzar says that the reason Nexomon are, well, a thing is because of the Children of Omnicron. So it makes sense, right? 7 children, 7 elements)

Psychic is a bit trickier because of the fact Mystogen exists. And if we're going of the fact Solus made the psychic type...

Putting a pin in that, rant for another day.

So... What of Ghost?

Well. That's not the point of the post and that's my motivation for writing Doubts.

But! Moving on, Fane. Well, with the assumption they come from eggs, well frick. There's no ghost primordial.

... Which is why I can't speak much of it. We can surely just blame Hilda

... Do you know who we have more of?

Byeol.

Well. Let's see then.

Byeol is a normal type in Palmaya, first and foremost.... We are back to James everyone, anyone who's talked to me isn't surprised

Hi new people, James is how we call the Nexolord on this side of the fandom, moving on.

Assuming that James isn't dead and we take into account this from Nadine:

Well, who am I to argue with Nadine? (Granted, she could mean Grunda or Deena , but.)

.. So, in today's rant. Byeol and Metta, woooo.

First of all, he is in Palmaya(and later around the Orphanage as of the Abyssals but we can put a pin in that because, Abyssals) , which, is definitely not the frozen tundra

But, Merida is in the frozen Tundra, and Atlanta's Tyrant is frosty enough to argue Merida bonked the egg there.

.. So then, Palmaya's free, ey?

Well. That's interesting, further on, I am going to need to grab Metta for a moment

Hello bowling ball, I still think you should be an Armodillo.

Moving on, see this man? Until his siblings he is, unfortunately, not an animal

My only logic conclusion, looking at this man(if we don't take my other James theory into account), is that he's supposed to be a kind of biblically accurate angel, just, ribbons not wings (Thanks for the association Azzie, your hands are red too)

... HMMMM who ELSE has wings and is a normal type...

... WELL THEN.

Additionally, I must point out, Metta has 7 ribbons. If we count the bottom pointy Byeol has he has 8.

... Well, it just happens an additional type is added this time, to bump it from 7 to 8(we already went over why I think Ghost might not count)

.. So then.

And. Well, let's look at it this way. Nivalis and Arqua, they don't look the same. Fona and Mulcimer, er. The closest we have is Ventra and Eurus.

... And, well, Solus and Nara, but surely not

... Byeol could've been a kangaroo or something, but instead-

They're both inanimate object things I can't make sense of. I know Ross said that he was just inspired to make a star thing, but-

... Hm.

What am I trying to say? Nothing really. At the end of the day these are coincidences, likely

Like, n3 protag and James both have a blue hair strand, but that doesn't mean they're like, immediately necessary related kind of thing

... Just makes you think.

(Also, this stated when I made a joking like toddler Byeol human version, and I saw the white hair and went like "...wait")

[tulipsnflowers]

The reason the ship stops in the middle of the ocean is bc they're diving.

That's why they stopped. And then just went back. They went underwater. Because Abyssal Zone of the ocean or something (I KNOW it's too deep for humans bc pressure ok)

It's why Venefelis (originally) crawls out of the lake.

That's it I solved it everyone go home

[tulipsnflowers]

Hi! Okay, potentially very silly question, but: do you have any theories about the gems on the chests/bodies of all the Mega Rares in n1? Raamu, Arctivore, Torrex, presumably Carnagrius but his head is in the way, Voltosphere, Mistralion, and Prismazor all have them. Dunno if there's anything to this, but it is an interesting design choice if nothing else, and you seem like the resident n1-focused theorizer here

I am also kind of the resident n1-focused theorizer, but what I'm about to say is kinda the theory @/zscyber told me once, but bet (not gotta at her for a bad retelling of her theory)

Nexomon:Extinction post game spoilers

Oo! Mega rares, and yeah, Carni has one too, you can see it when it's a Ferius

So... Crystals. It's interesting given how many n3 teasers have them in them, hold on, lemme grab some

Diamond shapes. There's of course probably a lot less than I'm thinking but this certainly isn't them all

Do I think this is a design thing? Yes, Ross said so. But guess what? Ross also said the abyssals and CoO don't draw from one another and that Nara is based on a fox. He loses creditablity/j

So! Theory time

As my friend Cyber theorized as a tldr, maybe it's the Ms. Abyssal that does this, considering (purple) crystals are legit her thing. That's probably how she controls nexomon

Considering we know she's absolutely immortal (though when she was born is up to speculation, especially if it's early enough to be n1 time), but what is she the one who put the crystals on there? For Mega Rares in n1(and nexomon in n3)

Mega rares are one of the better nexomon in the games (though you can beat the game with anything if you try hard enough), so maybe she's the one giving the boost

Then in n2 it's abyssals, and then in n3 it spreads

[tulipsnflowers]

Uh... So...

You know the Abyssal zone? In the ocean? Second deepest?

And that uh, Venefelis was supposed to crawl out of a lake originally.

And that the Valley has ships

And that Merida noticed ships stopping in the middle of the ocean

And that Salem hangs out near water

And that-

[tulipsnflowers]

theory, the protag for extinctions eye colro changes when using their aunts and uncles powers. thoughts?

Honestly? I would be down, since their eyes aren't pink in the first place it works

We'd have to demote Grunda to brown though

[tulipsnflowers]

Okay! Let me actually ramble for once, alright:

Let's firstly see about Deena, in n3.

I don't this will happen but I'll go insane if I don't talk about it:(features data mined dialogue)

Okay so, first of all let's just say something

I'm about to say a lot of accusations, but unless proven otherwise by JV himself, I believe Deena does really care about her kid. She does!

Her actions of trying to be edgy n badass in n2 are just because of the guild and to not get too attached (she failed that almost immediately). But she does care. It's seen in some of her sprites she's still Deena.

And after you defeat Vados she actually smiles! To you! And just in general! She doesn't ever smile beforehand. She cares, okay?

.... Now let me go into detail about why I think she's gonna be evil in the future.

First of all. She's the whole reason this whole thing is still running. If she didn't go against Omnicron who knows if Ulzar would've stood a chance. If she didn't help n1 protag their nexomon would've turned on them(Omnicron himself even says that she's helping in the second fight!).

In n2 she and solus are the only reason things are remotely okay. And she then dies for it.

Like, if we're going down this path then in n3 she's going to like, actually die for this cause. Speaking of which, JV is even hinting Solus might be dead in n3! Which! Deena my god-

So, that might be a bit of a sore spot, but now let me do something I don't usually do, let me show you an unused piece of dialogue:

This was gotten while data mining in n2 and it is translated in all languages

This text file is called "deena_tenebrae" or something the like, I thought tenebrae is a name but it means darkness.

Meaning this is a dark screen interaction, and the text file before this just says "You feel a dark aura surrounding you... " or something so this checks out.

Now! Now this. Deena. Deena do I need to call your siblings. Deena-

Elephant in the room, not even I know who this bastard she's talking to is, it says so nowhere and before anyone says anything I highly doubt she'd call her brother "sir", especially her younger brother

Deena, I think, would maybe, I dunno, say something to the whole "[Playername] pawn" comment. Ya know, as I already discussed.

... On top of that you're telling me that after doing this whole song and dance with Omnicron she would turn around and be like "Ah yes. Let me serve someone again this can only go well"?? I think she learned a lesson??

... Also what's with all the 'sir' mentions Deena. Blink twice if you need help.

What I am trying to say is this, I dislike this. This is one of those "She would not say that" kind of moments.

One of my friends mentioned potential mind control before of this and I-

... We did say Omnicron can control all Nexomon so that already exists in the world. And with the theme of Abyssals quite literally being controlled by their master

.... Mmmmm

[player-1]

Me, trying to grind for Cosmic Venefelis cause I like the ghostly colors: :’)

Also me, finding a updated Cosmic Dex w. the Abyssal story 'mon: …Huh? Why do all the Abyssals have their crystals blue as well? Apart from some drastic color changes, why does it look so fami-

Oh…

Oh no…

[player-1]

Once again back on my bs throwing out another insane but possibly valid Nexomon theory until Nexomon 3 finally gets a proper release date...

Going through the Abyssal DLC again, mostly finding hints on what they foreshadow for 3 (And it's quite a few things, a bit about sorcerers/witches already getting wiped off the map and a possible time-skip prediction of 100,000 years.), but the one thing that caught my eye was after the MC defeated Volcel [N:E Abyssal DLC part 4]. Long story short, it's heavily implied that the Abyssals were engineered like the Greater Drakes and/or Vados, but not in such an unnatural way that Deena couldn't have sensed it. In her own words, "Unlike the dragons and Vados, these Abyssal Tyrants couldn't have been forged by human hands."

Which leads me to the obvious conclusion (and indirectly the mad scientist Logan's): GENETIC ENGINEERING!!

And I'm obviously jumping on the idea that Metta made them (for obvious reasons) since resurrection would've opened up a similar scheme; besides, he's the only one of the fam with these skills so he had all that free time to do something else here. While following the assumption that the main element Abyssals (Fire, Water, Wind, Nature, Earth, Lightning) were modeled after the main Omnicron Fam, the Abyssals also share some physical characteristics with some Nexomon of N1 & N:E as well besides the nixed bag that is Venefelis, but I'll just go in order from appearance in the DLC then explain/ramble from there.

Major-ish spoilers for Nexomon 1 (& Netherworld dlc/arc) and Nexomon: Extinction w. the Abyssal dlc below:

1. Venefelis (Masquiti(?) + Kitsunox, Carnagrius, Fanfrou, Fuzztino, Felicient)

Like I said, Venefelis is such a mixed bag since she came out the gate just after Omnicron's bucket got kicked for good and the N1 protag thought any major world-ending threat was over and done for...Well that was a fucking lie and we all know it. While I feel that Venefelis got that hot-headed attitude (and obvious golden child syndrome) from the other cat-based 'mon, it's easy to see the similarities w. the Masquiti line even when they didn't appear until 1,000 yrs later in N:E (and the off-putting entry about Masquiti fits way too perfectly w. her "ghost" form Salem), but I digress. Whether or not Venefelis could be considered the first Psychic type after N1 (or the first uber-powerful Masquiti known to man), or maybe Metta made a replacement Omnicron on the side if his main plan failed (before he threw her out only to kill Hilda in revenge), that's already up for debate for me. [Also somewhat implying that Venefelis is a mutation of Kitsunox since the cape seems similar and she actively boasts about being the “perfect servant” in killing Hilda for a master she never knew nor witnessed (N:E Kitsunox are unwaveringly loyal too) but that’s my opinion here]…

2. Pluvean (Arqua + Harectic, Hydrose, Reeferus, Torrex)

Even if Arqua/Merida was always shown to be hotheaded and quick to throw a temper (even at the expense of a destroyed ship or two), Pluvean was only mean to be a sacrifice to either confuse the Guild on the Abyssals' purpose or direct their attention away from the real threats...Either way, he's pretty lax on what the Guild wants to learn from him (ie. the bare minimum) and is more concerned over why Venefelis revived him if he already completed his task with flying colors. While this might also relate to the calming nature of water as opposed to Arqua's unpredictable rage, it's an interesting starting point for the Guild (and MC) to figure out that the Abyssals are far from their usual brand of Tyrant. And I guess Metta wanted to see a cooler side to Arqua/Merida when she's not flaunting around with other humans, who knows?

3. Rotramus (Nara + Outgrov, Raksuma, Prisimazor)

While I'm not going to theorize if or how Metta got Nara's DNA to create Rotramus (which that would next to impossible without revealing himself), but it's pretty telling since the only things he has to do is 1. Hide from the Guild, 2. Nap out of sight of said-Guild, 3. Answer or follow any tamer's command without question or self-preservation if they find him (and 4. Deny and insult said-tamer's command without question if they attempt to turn him against the Abyssals); you know, it just like Nara's main deal of betraying Omnicron, joining the humans to destroy her dad and siblings, and wanting to live freely and independently as Deena. Even if Rotramus is perfectly harmless apart from not betraying the Abyssals at the drop of a hat, it's interesting to see how much of an iron grip Metta also has on the Abyssals despite none of them ever knowing their master by appearance or name.

4. Inominox (Ventra + Heliventus, Eqoloptera, Lurkennie, Voltosfrere, Swactrum)

Just like the vulture Inominox is based on, he fights only against tamers he considers weak and easy-pickings and has survived because of that for generations...Yet he heartily declares the MC weak and worthless despite after defeating two Abyssals at that point (Pluvean and Rotramus) despite clearly being the King/Queen of Monsters, then getting completely bodied in the process (mostly after using one Nexomon with a type disadvantage). Makes sense though since Ventra was always shown to be incredibly egotistical and overestimated her enemies in N1, so Inominox might've been so blinded by his cunning and "weakness radar" that he's the only Abyssal besides Helevolk and/or Braccus that don't immediately recognize the MC as Nexomon King.

5. Helovolk (Fona + Carnagrius (N:E), Oregoon, Treclay, Moltano, Shardrillion)

Sucks that I can't find an proper Nexomon to connect to why Helovolk is blind and as irrational as a ordinary monster, but it might relate to the theme of fire being a blind and destructive force if left unattended...Or Helovolk just got the worst part of Fona since he was just a bad-boy dude who always played by his own rules. Also putting in the revived N:E version of Carnegrius since they became increasingly violent after loosing their natural habitat, and Helovolk constantly digs a mindless series of tunnels to stay hidden and elusive...Maybe N3 will expand more on his personality/motives, but that's all I got for him here. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

6+7. Caelesa & Byeol (Metta + Raamu, Mistrallion, Starckal, Paupo(?))

I know I know, why add Byeol in the mix, aren't they supposed to be a regular ol' Tyrant? I mean, have you even seen these two side-by-side!? They might as well be half-siblings here! And if anything goes to show, if Metta dabbled with gene splicing with his own DNA, not everything was going to be all sugar, spice, and everything nice here (and probably experiencing ego-death with the "abomination" that is Byeol)...Maybe throwing in a bit of Paupo in the mix so the family resemblance isn't too obvious, who knows. Besides, they're both Normal type, they both have ring-like objects on them, and they both have a tendency to constantly evade the Guild's Tyrant witch-hunt without a care in the world...Possibly w. Byeol, but their lack of a noteworthy dex entry says as much (And on that note, it was only today ago that I realized that Byeol’s Nexomite/energy crystals are on the cheeks or might be the little stars floating around them…So I’m technically right and they have permanent dimples! 🥰). While Caelesa obviously has Metta's crassness around humans (only calling them idiots and getting huffy about the Guild labeling for a Tyrant for only running around as ordered), I headcanon that Byeol only avoids getting caught as a "game" and enjoys people-watching or nagging for attention so much that it easily weirds out the Guild. But I'm pretty sure Metta would've had a grand old time getting a 2-in-1 Tyrant deal while (possibly) pretending his mini-me cherub doesn't exist at all.

8. Braccus (Grunda + Broshield, Grath, Bitztrong, Rustung)

My boy Braccus is chonk supreme here, already topping off against all the Abyssals in pure strength and size alone (and makes it even funnier when his dialogue sprite takes up 1/3 of the screen on its own), but I have a feeling that this is the kind of terror and might Metta aspires Grunda to be before he "mellowed out" in N:E. Not that he did any kind of extreme damage on purpose, even Grunda's Chasm in N:E was made just from the Nexolord reviving him, and his entry mentions that it's only getting on Grunda's bad side when he goes on a rampage, so tamers and residents always had to walk on eggshells around him. But what does Grunda secretly want more than anything in the world? Take care of a small camp/village in the desert town Solus (aka Lateria in N:E) as its leader and as the human Ulrich (in the N1 dlc btw, sot it's an idealized verision of what he wants in the world...neat!). So yeah, even if Braccus was given actual freedom with distracting the Guild instead of a set-in-stone calling, he decides on his own that cold-blooded destruction was the only way to go...Until Xanders killed him, that is. And yes I will wholeheartedly believe that Xanders did it barehanded, he's just that kind of dude tbh. -Oh yeah, and who wants to bet that the crystal he has was ripped out of his chest? Either Xanders did it or Braccus did it for a power move, who knows?

9. Volcel (Luxa + Resonect, Resonic, Zappnic, Tephragon)

Isn't it interesting to know that both Volcel and Tephragon have an innate skill in tracking other people and/or monsters? While Volcel mainly used his skills to find a safe place for the Abyssals to hide in (aka. Precursor Mountains), his dex entry notes he "excelled at scouting and locating other living beings"...Maybe Venefelis revived him first to track the other Abyssal skeletons and find the mountain? Just some food for thought here...But yeah, I suppose Metta wanted his not-Luxa Tyrant to do something important and meaningful instead of being materialistic and smiting humans only for fun.

10. Kroma (Kromatice, Phantra, Hohopi, Rapilux, Dredrone)

And last but not least, the attack rabbit themselves! While I love the irony of a cute winged rabbit-fox thing having the power to control ghosts (and she was set loose in Immortal Citadel, you know, the one place already filled to the brim with ghosts...), I kinda believe that her appearance was purely meant to be a distraction to hide her true strength (apart from every other Abyssal I mean). While it doesn't clearly explain how Kroma controls spirits in the first place (and being strong enough to control Ulzar nonetheless), it might work like Dredrone or Phantra with a strange otherworldly energy or hypnotism. Sucks that she only got to roam free in a relatively short time, trying and failing to kill Hilda's apprentice Eliza, before Deena curb-stomped that pile of stuffing into oblivion (or not caring to do her mission with gusto since she knew their master won't show up, who knows)...But hey, at least we'll get to see them again in Nexomon 3...Hopefully.

Anywho, thanks for reading my growing brand of rants here, and here's to the future installment in the completely underrated Nexomon series!