#my toxic transfem they/them

[imsosocold]

Crack Theory To Celebrate Season 3: Min is the Missing Quarter to Time’s Clock. Or in other words, why I believe Liu Min has a superpower of his own:

Specifically, I think Liu Min is partially prophetic, specifically having the ability to see potential futures within his dreams in addition to being able to at the very least sense timeline ‘resets’ in some way. Whether he can only see his own future or also other people’s futures is unclear. Same with whether he can only see the futures of his current self or if he has the ability to see the futures of other versions of himself from different timelines. I’m going to continue on with the idea that the latter option for both cases are true along with the notion he (and really everyone) doesn’t have a good grasp and understanding on this ability.

This idea was sparked from the line Liu Min’s father said while blabbering on badmouthing him sometime I-don’t-remember- in season 2: “if only he had half the power his brother had!” (I’ve also seen the line translated as ‘if only he had half the ability of his brother’ which still carries the same potential hint/clue/messaging in my opinion, it just makes Liu Jung look less personally knowledgeable and comfortable regarding the brothers’ powers which would fit what we’ve seen from his character.)  Now, that’s a very interesting statement for Liu Jung to have said, especially with how little screen time any of the Lius get and how little information we get on them during that time. Most notably know so little about Min, even less than Liu Xiao in some senses. He’s clearly a driving force similar to his brother but his motivations, nevermind his memories, we aren’t even close to being privy to. The word choice used is clearly selective and pointed but also ambiguous. Why specifically state ‘half the power?’ Instead of ‘any of the power?’  With how much the series loves foreshadowing I can’t help but find this not only intentional but telling. It implies Liu Min has some sort of power but nothing satisfactory or notable enough to actually be considered ‘powerful.’ 

Now, we’ve focused on powers centered around going back to the past with Lu Guang and Cheng Xiaoshi in season one. We’ve focused on powers that alter one’s present conditions and abilities with Li Tianchen and Li Tianxi in season two. I believe season three will explore powers involving the future, specifically those that allow their holders to witness how the future changes.  Liu Xiao is implied to have the power to see the futures of all timelines and how they’re altered/can be altered. It would make sense for Min to have a weaker, more limited version of this power.  (We could also  perhaps potentially eventually see powers that even that defy any sort of these categories regarding time and space.) Important  character duos in Link Click tend to have complimentary powers such as Cheng Xiaoshi & Lu Guang and Li Tianchen &  Li Tiaxni. I believe Liu Min and Liu Xiao also follow this pattern. ( I think Xia Fei and his sister will fall into this category as well. I also think Xia Fei and Vein, while their powers won’t be directly similar, will have powers that support each other greatly.) In addition, siblings, and overall the concept of  siblinghood, plays a rather notable role in the Link Click series. The amount of sibling pairs are notable and the characters who specifically don’t have blood siblings are noteworthy as well.  Again, it’s still unknown the extent of Liu Xiao’s and Liu Min’s connection and relationship. I wouldn’t be surprised if either Liu Min took Liu Xiao into the Liu family (like I’ve seen theorized) or inversely Liu Xiao took Liu Min into the Liu family as a parallel to Qi Rong and Cheng Xiaoshi. (Perhaps the duo met in Brighdon lol. I could definitely see Liu Min as being racially English and becoming ethnically Chinese over time.) Regardless of the weeds, Min having his own matching set of powers to his brother would make the Liu siblings be paralleling lines to each other. 

It’d also tie up a bunch of loose ends and close all the boxes that have been opened.  

Like when Xiao Li questions Liu Min about what he did to Emma, one of the few times we get to directly hear Liu Min talk for himself and specifically when he’s in a vulnerable position and not around someone he has to keep up a mask around, he starts rambling on about how he thought Emma was a zombie. It’s definitely an odd moment with no clear follow up and I don’t think it was simply to portray Liu Min as unstable (which was already obvious lol.) I believe that Liu Min had mixed up memories and had gotten his timelines confused. He remembered so vividly killing Emma he believed it was something he had done in the timeline he was currently living in. So when he saw her somehow alive he freaked out. Being around, talking to, even harming her right then with his bare hands didn’t clarify any confusion for him. I wouldn’t be surprised if all that, or even just her presence alone, triggered more alternate memories within him distressing him further. The reason he attempted to strangle her, even with no murderous intent in particular if we believe Liu Min’s claims, is him attempting to replicate what he assumed was a direct past event. An existential instinct almost. 

And it explains why Min’s phone is wanted so badly by everyone in his family, Liu Xiao included.  With how online Min was when he was alive, I think he kept information related to his powers on it.  Perhaps notes on what was meant to happen in the future and in what ways he may have changed it. Less likely but still a possibility, perhaps Kyoka Izumi style Min needed his phone in some way in order for his powers to be activated. His powers, or at least traces of it, could even directly remain in his phone in some way even after his death. 

Plus  it’s not a power Liu Min can really have control over, nevermind wield, so that’s why he still has to rely on Li Tianchen to help him with his murders. 

Now, this may seem like an odd pivot but this is relevant to this theory hatching, I promise.

I think no one song is written SOLELY for (a)  specific character(s). Yes, even the labelled ‘character songs.’  I think all of the songs can apply to (an)other(s)whether the past, present, or future versions of them.  (Even for said claimed character songs, for what version of said character at what time do those songs apply to?) I also think songs are often divided between multiple characters but aren’t always listed or even indicated as such.  Some songs may currently be incomplete in understanding because we haven’t been introduced to a character / that part of that character yet. The core tenet I hold onto as a writer and reader is that metaphors can work in multiple ways and have multiple uses. Similarly, songs can have multiple subjects and many underlying applications and meanings. Keep In Mind IN SERIES was used in the final episode of the first season as a sort of tribute recap and primarily centered around Lu Guang and Cheng Xiaoshi.(An exploration of the art that’s used to represent the song outside of the series can be its whole own separate post.) But I also think it could as easily apply to the Liu siblings as well. 

All the exacts of why I think this can be explored another time, for this post I want to focus on this specific set of lines that previously had really confused me:

 “Awakened every night

Surrounded by the devils

I saw the shadows taking my life.” 

Again, very specific word voice with ‘devils’ and ‘shadows.’ The closest that anyone has used such pointed, occult and mythological  based word choice is Liu Min . This also ties to the potential motive Liu Min could have for his crimes. I believe he saw his victims, or those who could potentially be mistaken to be his victims, harming him or someone he cared about in some way. Instead of trying to brainstorm different ways to potentially prevent such a future from happening or even just considering the events may be related to a whole other timeline that has nothing to do with the current him, he instead, in a twisted attempt to ensure that there isn’t even a possibility such a thing could ever happen, decided to take out anyone he considers involved with what he saw/who he thinks could ever do such a thing against him and/or that person.  (Or maybe over time the term  ‘threat’ evolved over time from ‘something life threatening’ to ‘anything that could cause any sort of harm however minor’, even applying to people he’s never seen before.)   

 In addition, parallels can definitely be drawn between those two specific duos especially in regards to the concept of ‘soul brothers’, a term that was formed in LONDON. There’s also a semi-popular theory I ‘ve seen where  Xiao Liu is believed to be the future version and/or alternate universe version of Cheng Xiaoshi but not one of them has mentioned how that would affect people like Li Tianchen or Liu Min. So even darker mini theory within this theory.  Imagine if Liu Min thinks he’s seeing a future related to him when it’s in fact someone else’s, making all his actions and crimes pretty much personally pointless in the end.  Specifically Liu Min viewing Lu Guang’s future within that initial timeline and mistaking Cheng Xiaoshi as his (current) brother. Thus sending him spiraling down a crime spree. Considering Liu Min was possessed the entire time during his encounters with Cheng Xiaoshi with Li Tianchen really being the one interacting with the latter, it would really add to the almost mournful look Min gives Cheng Xiaoshi as he’s dragged out of the photo studio to the cop car.  It also makes his confusion over hearing Cheng Xiaoshi scream when in his trunk so much funnier because Liu Min would be going “tf is that my brother in the trunk?” But just in a general sense Liu Min’s crimes being a twisted attempt to try to save his brother from ‘ any potential threats’ would  make him a very interesting mirror to Lu Guang. It also makes Liu Xiao’s appearing apathy over his brother’s death that much crueler because Liu Min, despite the resentment that’s likely there towards his brother due to the mistreatment by the family, still does everything he can to look out for him.  While Liu Xiao would likely consider such a practice pointless and not worth it. ( He may have tried in the past though, nee hee!)

Is this theory very dependent on dubious translations? Yes. Is this theory also primarily reliant on patterns that my mind simply may be making up? Yes. Can most of this ‘evidence’  be chalked up to correlations? Yes. Is this likely just me wanting Min to have more importance and depth? Yes.

Anyway I made this when I was really sleep deprived and high

[sinceyousawvienna]

I love my little loser

[3cosmicfrogs]

I am envisioning a yuri so toxic it violates the Geneva convention. take my hand lets create this beautiful world together.

[unfortunate--moth]

Mikofuu! The cuties they deserve all the love ever :3

Are there any other milgram ships you enjoy?

yes!!

I'm a multishipper and bisexual Mikoto truther so like other than mikofuu being my top I really do like Mikoto/Mahiru. i feel like in my fic that might show a bit even though it is completely platonic! no matter if its platonic or romantic i just love their dynamic.

Im sorta interested in Shidou/Kazui, but I feel like I'm not attached enough to Shidou to really invest my time into it...

Uhhhh I feel like if the stuff in milgram didn't happen I would like Mahiru/Kotoko alot. but yknow kotoko is our problematic queen and also almost killed her so like. maybe in another universe.

also i dont ship this but the Mikoto/Shidou ship is unnecessarily funny to me. i dont even know why but the thought of it makes me laugh. no hate to people who actually ship them or anything im not making fun of it but its so silly. good for them i guess.

[snekdood]

saw a post yesterday that was like "if you dont have trans women as friends u gotta think about why that is" and i really had to restrain myself from saying "it goes both ways my friend!". if you dont have any trans men as friends, ya gotta think about why that is also!

[patricia-taxxon]

im gonna say it. even though they may sometimes earn my sympathy, i envy the ability that cis men have to simply get the pressure off of them. just imagine for a second if nick robinson was transfem, or if lily orchard were a cis man. i feel a toxic urge in my chest whenever I see a cis man youtuber talk about being cancelled and I just want to grab him by the shoulders and shout "just shut the fuck up, whether you're innocent or not you can simply shut the fuck up and it will be as if this never happened, literally just shut the fuck up."

[tobiasdrake]

Oh shit, the reboot of Ranma 1/2 has begun airing on Netflix. I am here for this.

Like a lot of people with gender stuff, Ranma 1/2 was a major part of my formative years. It was the first anime I ever saw outside of dubbed TV broadcasts, before I really understood what anime was. And the first anime I liked so much that I ravenously devoured the manga it was adapting.

To this day, I often find myself thinking back to it. Ranma 1/2 had a lot to say about societally-enforced toxic masculinity, and also about intrinsic gender identity that doesn't change even when the body fails to match.

In a way, it was kind of ahead of its time. It came to us in a time when a lot of genderbending stuff was like, "Okay, if your body turns female, then you're a girl. If your body turns male, then you're a boy. Whatever your body looks like at the moment, that's your gender, those are your pronouns. Now let's come up with a cute little name for what we should call your opposite-gender self when you flip!"

But here was Ranma 1/2 saying, "Ranma Saotome is a man. It does not matter if his body is female or male; he is always a man at heart." He never misses an opportunity to correct people who misgender him - or to seek a cure for the gender dysphoria that his curse routinely inflicts on him.

But he also has extremely rigid beliefs about masculinity and femininity; Beliefs that cage him in a prison of his own mind. He's not ashamed, at times, to take advantage of his curse in order to indulge in things that men "are not allowed to do".

Small things like sitting around an ice cream parlor enjoying a sundae. Real Men (TM) don't eat ice cream! Ranma is proud of his masculinity, but is also a slave to it. He is proud of his gender identity regardless of the shape of his body, but nonetheless cross-dresses to escape from the gendered pressures he places on himself.

And he gave a lot of fans their trans awakening. For a lot of people, myself included, Ranma Saotome was their first experience with the idea that assigned-sex did not have to be the absolute truth of your identity. Many fans took tremendous inspiration from Ranma's curse, and carried their own interpretation of Ranma with them in their heart as they went.

The fandom is overflowing with transfem Ranmas and genderfluid Ranmas and nonbinary Ranmas, because that is what this character meant to the LGBT community of his day.

He may not have been perfect - In fact, when you get right down to it, he's basically just a macho cis regularly forced into drag for comedic effect; This is not Gay Shakespeare - but he left a mark on the community. He was a key that unlocked the identities of a lot of us.

So it's with both excitement and also a degree of trepidation that I say, "Welcome back to modern pop culture, Ranma 1/2."

[velvetvexations]

so i’m a discord moderator in a mixed-ages server with both adults and teens, right? and it’s a very queer-friendly space, we openly encourage people to try out new names and pronouns as much as they want and we don’t allow for identity discourse (as in, “if you come in bitching about he/him lesbians you get banned” type shit).

i’ve been there for like 3 years and it’s been an honor watching these kids grow up from bright, curious, sweet kids into genuinely compassionate, thoughtful, ambitious adults who are taking their lives into their own hands.

but.

the number of times the transmasculine kids have avoided he/him pronouns for years, avoided calling themselves trans boys and men for years, because of all of the toxic discourse about how being a man is inherently wrong and bad and they don’t “want to become that?” it’s so many. it’s So fucking many.

we gently steer them away from thinking that way and most of the mod team are adult trans men/mascs so they do eventually learn to accept themselves, but even when they do have a universally supportive space to be themselves without apology, it’s still so hard for them to overcome their inherent self-hatred over the sheer thought of being a man.

(some of the transfem kids also take a while into accepting themselves as such, too, but they don’t seem to wrestle with open self-hatred or fear of being a woman the way the transmasc kids do. and to be clear: all my kids are great and i would kill anybody who looks at them wrong.)

all this to say: yeah the pervasive demonization of trans men (and masculinity generally) is actually Extremely Harmful and we should, perhaps, move beyond that. unless these people seem to really think that some trans kids are more okay to push closer to suicide and self-harm than others.

God, I'm so, so, so sorry. If I didn't prefer to not interact with minors I'd say you could send them my way if they needed a transfem to tell them it's okay. Certainly anyone over eighteen is welcome. It's such important work you're doing looking out for them.

[juniepops]

I love transfem people I love our voices I love my transfem friends and I love listening to their voices and speaking with them . Spews toxic fog into the sky

[genderkoolaid]

TRANSFEM ELLE FOR TRANSMASC EMMET IS SO ENLIGHTENED. and it fits the themes so well....... like. of COURSE she wouldn't want to act less femme to be taken seriously. she worked for that shit. and them not understanding each other at first not just bc of the class and attitude divide but bc why would anyone WANT to be what i hated being.... but then they FALL IN LLOVE

sorry im obsessed w them

YOU GET IT!!!!!

Also Emmett has a line in Chip on My Shoulder "I grew up in the Roxbury slums / With my mom and a series of bums / Guys who showed me all the ways a man could fail" which I mean. "actively choosing to reject toxic masculinity and pursue your own form of manhood despite being looked down on" is extremely transmasc coded. Also "they laughed at me like they're laughing at you" is so trans solidarity.

It adds such a fun depth to Take It Like A Man in how Elle's gift to Emmett for mentoring her is helping him explore masculinity, making him feel seen in the same way she feels seen by him. And Emmett comparing himself to Warner and her responding "That's the best part, the outside is new / Now it reflects what's already in you / Couldn't change that if I wanted to, and I do not." THE DEFINITION OF T4T!

Their stories just get better when they are trans. Elle being both loudly, emphatically feminine while also being intelligent and empowering herself without becoming a more acceptable kind of woman. Emmett trying to escape poverty and become a new, better kind of man and Elle giving him the confidence to fully become himself. Legally Blonde The Musical Is Transgender Fuck You

[smilingcrittersthingig]

i just. had this realization. that most of my aus have startstudent in them.

I- that- Has Starstudent become my otp-??

Reborn AU, they’re each other’s emotional support

Selfish AU, kinda sorta toxic yaoi

Randomized AU, Dozyspirit

Super AU, toxic yaoi, again

Trouble AU, Charmin and Spirit

TRANSFEM BUBS AND TRANSMASC KICKS, T4T

WHY DID I JUST REALIZE THEY’RE TOGETHER IN EVERY SINGLE THING IVE MADE WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME!? /j

[dragonstailbutch]

Hey sorry i am trying to like. find examples of what you mean when you talk about mra stuff and (trans)misogyny in forcemasc content and tumblr search has betrayed me once again, can you explain?

(sorry I normally wouldn't ask but I wanna make sure I'm not perpetuating anything!! Also fucking tumblr search!!! it is ridiculous!)

so ive been sitting on this ask for months since ive got it. i want to do it justice and try to take it at face value that its being honest in asking.

The thing is, theres this trend and a weird amount of effort to be like force femme, to be forceful and like its something to fearful of and give in to. But we cant do that, cause all that does is reinforce the idea that being a man is a toxic thing. I saw this post the other day where a transman talked about like, the whole "raised as a weapon" thing, the violence and horror of being a man and raised that way versus how they felt growng into it as a transman. How they wanted to reclaim that phrase or something? i could be misremembering.

But that was never the intent of forcemasc. It wasnt actually about being a dude, literally *forcing* someone who was unwilling into masculinity, none of the posts that i made that started the community (and yes i, a transfem butch woman, started and made this community and some of yall need to get over yourselves) were ever about that, it was intended to be a soft mimic or even a call to forcefemme.

i was all about making it soft and tender for a reason, cause if i didnt i was only reinforcing the toxic masculinity narrative, "men fighting in the mud" "men are dominant and cool" " to be a man is to be forced into masculinity and to be disgusted with the feminine" or whatever. When masculinity isnt about just men, and being butch isnt just being masculine. masculinity should also be sensitivity, not domination. i wanted it to be better, show a better side of what masculinity could be, what being butch is.

Ive spoken before a bit too, about the tags people used and added to forcemasc, and really maybe i was wrong in ever naming it forcemasc. people used and still use tags like autoandrophilia, autoandrophile, androphile, autogynephilia, androphilia, and autogynephile. Ive seen so many people with urls and tags and posts calling themselves transandrobros, literally calling themselves MRAs, as if that was something to be proud of, as if they dont understand that they arent fighting for their and our rights, they're fighting for cis-mens rights by using those names and terms, not transmascs/transmens rights. I can understand ignorance, but weve talked about how the words you use have history, especially those like the tags i mentioned and androphilia and androphobia and others, all of them have roots in deeeeeeeply misogynistic and transphobic people and history.

Literally all of these are awful and are phrases that arent and wont be reclaimed because theyre history is one of pain and hurting trans people, one of coercive 'help', literal forced detransitioning and reinforcement of MRA and terf narrative that men are both good and the worst creature alive and that to be a woman is to be disgusting and the purest thing all at once. That to be a transwoman is sick and we shouldnt be trusted.

Im trying to be very kind, not scream and rage, not because i dont desperately want to, but because if i do, as a butch transwoman, ESPECIALLY cause i claim being butch, people wont listen to me no matter how much of what i say is meaningful. one of the reasons why im doing this NO, instead of in anothr day or two, is that im coming to terms with the fact that the situation will just get qorse, not better without words.

Part of why im still sane is that ive gotten a couple asks here and there about how my posts and creation of the community has helped them and its so wonderful to see that, genuinely so amazing to see people recontextualize and love themselves. its wonderful and im so fucking happy about it.

i personally made this space so i could love myself, who i am as a trans person and my body, and i knew that other people needed and wanted that for themselves too and i wanted to help, share this love with more people. That to be hairy and chubby and masculine and butch was a nice thing. But to me it feels like it was coerced into being a thing for Men. A thing no longer for me or people like me who share the butch culture and name to no longer enjoy cause people unfamiliar with kink and tran history have decided that masculinity and butchness are the exact same thing. Id say people should go be a bear, but you wont learn their culture either and thats cruel and insulting to bears.

We deserve better You deserve better. Stop falling for the lies and hate. We beg you

[angst-is-yumyum]

possesion era hc

!!TW for misgendering and doing bad dysphoric shit to trans people as a form of torture!! (bill during ford's paranoid era)

ok so kinda unsettling but im trans and having a bad time and I keep thinking about this

what if ford, who is trans (either way), in addition to all the terrible things bill did to him during the paranoia era (nailing his hand to a desk, making him do embarrassing things, inflicting awful pain all while controlling his body) also did things to ford's body that were bad and caused him to have awful dysphoria.

If ford was transmasc, bill could do things like destroy his binders /packers or purposefully hurt his rib/chest area in a way that would never allow him to safely get top surgery. He get a could tattoo of something terrible (like a slur or something suggestive), as we've already seen he has no qualms with disrespecting his body like that.If ford were on T he could flush them or cancel any further orders of them. He could fill ford's things with 'girly' stuff or make him wake up with dysphoric outfits...just overall bad stuff.

If ford was transfem, bill could, again, destroy any breast padding/fake boobs, throw away tucking stuff, makeup, etc. He could make disparaging comments on ford's appearance via sticky note on the bathroom mirror, which he already does, but these target her voice, body hair, and clothing. again, real bad stuff. (I'm not transfem so this is my best guess sorry)

Anyways, just some thoughts...I've been looking at lots of trans pines family stuff lately and this just logically seems like something bill would do. bonus points when ford's internalized transphobia (from growing up in the 60's/70's/80's combined with this gives him some insecurities that are fixes with lots of fluff and family hugs post-weirdmaggedon (and you KNOW bill would bring it up during weirdmageddon)

anyways billford in a "extremely toxic ex who did horrible things to his bf and cant get over the divorce but i love the angst and also maybe the marraige au by @ honeqq"

but fiddauthor TRUTH in a "god theyre meant for each other and they grow old not quite together but its the healthy old man yaoi / college yaoi we need and deserve also could fiddleford please be in a beard couple relationhip plsssss it would make me feel much better"

[badass-queer-couples-battle]

Propaganda:

For Orufrey: "They're tragic wlw who have devoted their lives to each other since they were kids. They live together, they cook together, they're raising four girls together and they're doing the best they can. Olruggio would do anything for Qifrey if Qifrey would just Let Him 😭 but Qifrey is dead-set on protecting Olruggio and keeping him safe and in the dark no matter what it costs... i cant 😭..."

"Man I don't know they just have the vibes. They have toxic yuri energy but they are two grown men. They've known each other since their apprentice days and have stuck together ever since. Qifrey's main magic type was something he took up because Olruggio proposed that he learned to control the water he feared. They live together away from most of society with Qifrey's four apprentices, living the sapphic cottagecore (ateliercore???) dream. Qifrey, due to the fact that his eyesight is very much failing, something which is very problematic when it comes to witches, who need their eyesight more than most, is getting very desperate to get all he lost to the Brimhats, the witches who took one of his eyes and his memories, and Olruggio ends up noticing this pursuit and is implied to have done this more than once. Qifrey does not want Olruggio to know about both his failing eyesight and his goals, so he ends up completely wiping Olruggio's memory of those things, and laments that Olruggio is a kind person, and one who would most likely forgive him again, but also one who would try to save him, even when he didn't want to be saved. He also apologized right up until the moment Olruggio's memories of his secret were gone. In general I think chapter 40 is the somewhat toxic guy yuri chapter ever. I'm very tired so I do not know how to explain any of this, I just thought "wow Orufrey reminds me of this one poll I saw on Tumblr" and then spent three days straight hunting for your blog before completely forgetting my reasoning for Orufrey being yuri right before I submitted this."

For Joongdok: "Well first of all Yoo Joonghyuk has a whole arc that is transfem coded as hell (has a power/technique that can technically only be used by women but somehow he can also use it, for a time he even turns into a woman to wield it and it's. Actually just let me get the quote "The ines of the face had changed but it was clearly Yoo Joonghyuk. No, it was even more than before.") that just kinda happens,, and doesn't get brought up again but anyway. Second of all just look at them. You see the vision. Also a bonus observation is that these two often get shipped in a poly ship with Han Sooyoung and whenever I see people make a "regular couple, yaoi couple, yuri couple, I see no difference love is love" meme with them the combination of which pair among these three is which of the categories is always different"

Note: This submission also mentions Han Sooyoung, but I decided to count this polyship submission as guy yuri as well.

"They love each other, they pretend they don't care for each other but all their actions prove they care too much, if you remove someone from the trio then the resulting duo is extremely dysfunctional, as evidenced by more than a million words of canon. Is it technically guy yuri? Well, Han Sooyoung is a woman, but in a way she's one of the guys. Kim Dokja and Yoo Joonghyuk are men, but the text heavily hints that Yoo Joonghyuk is a trans woman who's just too busy and stressed out to transition yet, and Kim Dokja has just never thought about his own gender a single day in his life. They made the world for each other, they went back in time countless times and waged countless wars for each other, they wrote and read and lived a story, their story, for each other and that's what saved them all. The way Han Sooyoung writes Yoo Joonghyuk's story to save Kim Dokja and loses herself in the process, the way Yoo Joonghyuk voluntarily lives the story to the point of losing himself too and even forgetting why he originally decided to do it, the way Kim Dokja read Han Sooyoung's story which was Yoo Joonghyuk's life and that's how he found himself, they all took so much from each other and gave so much of themselves to each other, this is all very yuri."

"they're so yuri you have no idea. they have every staple of a yuri ship. unwavering devotion. waiting dozens or thousands of years for each other. dooming themselves and the world for each other. so much yearning. i also see them genderbent a lot (including inn canon in the case of yjh) and they're right both of these people are women. i genuinely can't even see them strictly as men at this point they're just yjh and kdj and they are yuri do you understand."

"they're so yuri. the abscense of yuri is the presence of yuri etc etc. these two guys are all ABOUT abscenses. also one of them is a part time woman. the other guy is a guy but like in the same way a square is a rectangle. anyway they're so guyyuri to me. bonus points also because they have a mutual girlfriend and when she's present they're girlyaoi but that's not relevant to this specifically"

[silliest-heartaches]

Ohh my god DRINKKK!! Dude I love them sooo muchhh. I just love imagining them being head over heels for each other yet constantly denying their feelings, because of how they view themselves, yet still finding comfort and solace with each other. They are so. YES. PERFECT. AUGH.

SHARE MORE ABOUT THEM PLEASE!!!

And I love how you use they/them for Ink and she/her for Dream!!

GOD YEAH I LIKE THEM SO INCREDIBLY MUCH... tbh the main reason i started liking them was bc i was thinking abt them and how doomed yuri coded they were and. The worms Wormed in from there,,,,

I actually use he/they and she/they for ink and dream respectively but!!!!!! I love all hcs and interpretations of them for REAL. nonbinary people who are gay as fuck for real,, very inherrently queer ship regardless of how u see either of them i think...heart seeing them as t4t transmasc and transfem forever personally though so thats what i see em as hehe,, also in my head theyre both aroacespec (though the specifc kind varies from au to au though i do consistently see ink as ace and dream as demiaro :>>)

Im not sure how long these will be so...hcs under the cut lol

- okay well while in my mind while error is technically the First Entity ink sees that isnt just a normal entity, dream is like their First. Friend. you know. Like when error first saw him he was screaming and crying for the hills bc it was also his first time seeing another outcode so. that reaction BUT with dream she was more filled with gentle confusion... this is a bit after she unstoned in the apple incident but still was new to au hopping and naive to most danger so they became friends!!! Questionably so.

-to elaborate, when they first meet dream is still stuck on the ideals of toxic positivity and pushing through hardship no matter what... i think this is something they eventually grow out of and dream will eventually learn to see the need for balance eventually but one of their first disputes happens when ink is running low on ink and most of whats left are the Negative Emotions within him alongside the especially strong panic that he usually feels when they get like this... dream would try to comfort him and try to say that itll work out in the end no matter what and that they just need to push through and that itll be okay like normal comforting words because dream is an empath and can sense feelings right,,i feel like its comforting in some cases but when things get Really Bad and especially when the main reserves of feelings that ink has are Negative, they heavily override his normal sense of self and i imagine they get a lot more. Snappy.... theres also the additional hc thingy of ink also really overexaggerating his feelings and overplaying them a lot for the sake of trying to feel more intensely (doesnt work, just drains him faster and will never truly feel natural to him...personally think that ink feels a lot of disconnect from his feelings) which could be considerably offputting to dream (though before adding swap to the group she thought it wass normal because she had only seen the fake pretend nice joy of the village influenced by her aura and not Genuine Feelings)

I think eventually through the years they would learn a lot from eachother...like with ink learning to be more naturally charismatic and dream learning to see past toxic positivity and have his perception on emotions change for the better (ie in learning that having different emotions are okay, so long as there is a balance)

id do alot more hcs but tbh what it boils down to is: toxic codependent yuri. intensely up and down relationship where theres an insane amount of love and attachment but also a lack of self from the both of them because they are only able to see themselves as a Thing to the other. Also exes who turned out to be besties. Thry got together and broke up wayyy before blue (they casually tell him stories about it and for the parts that he does know about he is horrified for.) Oh and they share hobbies and do parallel play alot. dream is more music oriented and can play the cello and flute. ink can play the ukelele but hes more familiar with drawing and painting duh. Also they have a garden. they love growing flowers but their favourites are sunflowers. Also have writing sessions together. Also may/may not also have beautiful princess disorder. (The both of them)

im so sorry this is so incoherrent but erm. yeah im very normal abt them (half of this stuff comes from oc projection the other half is like. Mental illness while in the shower tbh)

[thorne1435]

(1st off, i am a trans man) personally, it makes me slightly uncomfortable when other trans men center their own experiences. don’t get me wrong, we have a right to talk about our issues, but i can’t help but feel like there’s a victim complex going on when some guys say that TERFs are “just as dangerous” to trans men or that baeddelism is a relevant issue (while brushing the misogyny and toxic masculinity in the ftm community under the rug). the fact that you made a post about trans unity and the first ask you got was about how trans men aren’t supported enough by trans women? but like, is that true? is it not ALSO an issue that trans women aren’t supported enough by trans men?

Okay, I hear you, and I acknowledge that I (unfortunately) have fairly limited experience with trans men but I don't know if I like the idea of discounting what they have to say as "a victim complex."

They just want to be heard. And I think they have a right to be upset, given how little representation trans men are given in media. I never saw any discussions on transmasc issues until I came to Tumblr. Never saw it on YouTube or Reddit. Online leftist circles--and even online trans circles!--don't talk about trans men! So, y'know what? If they're being a little melodramatic about their issues, maybe it'll off-set the lack of any knowledge of their issues in the first place.

And also, I think toxic masculinity and misogyny are sort of part of being a man, right now? Which certainly isn't to say it's inherent to men, but society does encourage it. That's what I think should change about being a man. This goes back to societal misandry, I think. Toxic Masculinity is just a manifestation of societal forces that encourage men to behave in unhuman ways, and I think it would be immature of me to expect trans men to perfectly avoid that, in their pursuit of masculinity.

Gender is a performance. We are all looking for the role that makes us most comfortable, but the baggage attached to the roles isn't something you can side-step so easily. Cis people have an advantage on this front, in that they are capable of proving their masculinity or femininity via means other than pure performance. Society *expects* them to be men or women and that means they can gesticulate towards genitalia whenever they're called into question. (They don't always do that, and it's sort of transphobic when they do, but the ones who are comfortable with themselves might say something like that, all the same)

A trans man will uphold toxic masculinity the same way that a trans woman will submit herself to misogyny: it is in pursuit of the perfect encapsulation of the role. Unless we feel like we adequately perform the role inherently, we are inclined to tolerate--and ergo embody, to an extent--the negativity present in the roles we desire.

I believe that lowering the standards for who can be seen as valid in masculinity will alleviate quite a bit of misogyny, whether that misogyny be among transmascs or cis men. So, in saying that, I hope I also illustrate why I'm quick to jump to their defense while also tacking on my ideas about societal misandry and its toll on men.

On the subject of whether or not transfems actually don't support transmascs...I guess I wouldn't really know. I'm not in trans communities because I don't live in a place where that kind of community could show up. I imagine this problem is being blown out of proportion a little bit, but the ask I think you're talking about did say that it was sort of a Tumblr thing? And internet discourse is just...fuckin...so unbelievably shitty. So I'm not too worried about it.

I mean, I'm not going to immediately assume any transfem I meet is inherently misandristic or otherwise bigoted towards transmascs, but I'm still gonna go to bat for transmascs if they get shit-talked, y'know?