#my mother is too but only towards certain kinds of queer people
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sappho-favourite-pupil Ā· 7 months ago
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The amount of people being vocal about their violently homophobic "opinions" has increased exponentially, after the election of this extreme right-wing and homophobic government. I feel like a few years ago a lot of people were homophobic anyway, but now they are being validated by our politicians and ofc things have gotten worse.
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winnienora14 Ā· 4 months ago
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Okay so thereā€™s been a whole debate going on about how Remus is characterized so here is my take on the matter
I personally hate the whole Casanova of Gryffindor tower thing. Remus is constantly terrified of being found out. He doesnā€™t want any one paying attention to him so heā€™s quiet and reserved. He spent his entire childhood locked away (I believe he was homeschooled)because his dad was ashamed of him and his mom was scared for him. Not being accustomed to social interactions at a young age definitely made him extremely socially awkward. So in my opinion, there is just no way he is the smooth flirt some have described him to be.
I also donā€™t like the super soft Remus. He is angry, ashamed and frustrated. He feels like the whole world is against him. But we still have to balance both out. He does not make scenes to express his anger, he just lets it boil inside.
Honestly if I had to describe him, Iā€™d say heā€™s kind to those who deserve it (heā€™s not the kind of person who believes everyone deserves kindness ). His humor is self deprecation, sarcasm and being mean (heā€™s actually really funny). Humor is kind of an armor for him. It helps him threw hard times.
He is extremely anxious/paranoid. He doesnā€™t talk much but heā€™s not extremely quiet. Heā€™s an incredible listener. Since heā€™s so paranoid, heā€™s always surveying how people look at him, their behavior... So heā€™s extremely observant. He knows most things before others do. Heā€™s hard working because his father finds that important and heā€™s desperate to make him proud. Heā€™s extremely empathetic because thatā€™s a value his mother holds dear.
He doesnā€™t like school. Heā€™s a queer man in the closet in the 70Ā“s, a halfblood and a werewolf. School is basically hell for him. He gets more than okay grades but heā€™s not a prodigy and he doesnā€™t try to be. He only does the work because he doesnā€™t want to be called out by the teacher for getting a bad grade. Otherwise, he wouldnā€™t do the work at all. He loves reading because he can relate to certain characters and escape reality.
He has this ā€˜I donā€™t give a fuckā€™ attitude when heā€™s talking to strangers his age. If they are older though, he is remarkably polite. He is respectful towards his teachers and or any figure of authority. He doesnā€™t break rules because heā€™s scared of being called out by teachers,so he helped the marauders plan the pranks but he wasnā€™t the one to make them come to life.
He tends to take the easiest course of action even when itā€™s not necessarily the good one. Heā€™s curious and he loves to learn. He absolutely despises change. He is a control freak but most of all heā€™s a perfectionist. He always feels like he has to compensate for his lycanthropy by being perfect at everything. Heā€™s an amazing friend: caring and always ready to listen and help.
The best way to make him really really mad is to show him pity. Heā€™s a raging pessimist. He gets angry rather easily and he as trouble controlling that anger. He makes fun of things like influencers and fashion. He refuses to go to the gym, plan his outfits or have a skincare. He never gets into fights because he thinks theyā€™re stupid. Heā€™s uncomfortable in group settings.He is easily annoyed.
This is way too long for no reason but I put too much effort into this to just delete it. So yeahā€¦ enjoy I guess.
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wisteria-lodge Ā· 2 years ago
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un-burning lion primary (snake morality) + snake secondary
Hello, I could use some help figuring out my secondary. I'm a Snake primary, but I can't for the life of me figure out whether my true secondary is Snake or Lion. Sorry, this gets kind of trauma-dump-y. Please don't feel obligated to respond if it's too much.
For context, my father is a religious fanatic, the loudest and stubbornest Lion I've ever known, and the cause of most of my trauma. My mother is a Snake and self-appointed interpersonal damage control for my father.
Sounds like we've got the co-dependent/enabling thing going on. That's going to make you feel some sort of way about Lion AND Snake primaries.
Now because of the aforementioned trauma, I'm extremely conflict avoidant. I'm often too scared to even make reasonable requests, and arguing triggers my freeze and fawn response even when I'm just witnessing it and not directly involved.
Yep. That's a thing. And a recipe for Burning, in the terminology of this system.
On the surface, my secondary seems very Snake. In social situations, I read the people around me and adjust my performance accordingly without consciously thinking about it. When I feel backed into a corner, I just play along, lying as needed. As long as the other person or people involved aren't my People, the only guilt I feel about acting Snakish is just a distant-feeling residue from my religious upbringing. When those I'm interacting with are my People, I still don't feel too guilty about tailoring the way I act to them, so long as I'm not lying or being self-servingly manipulative.
So far this could just be a Snake secondary. I know that building Snake secondary models to survive unstable or unsafe situations is absolutely a thing, but you... seem to enjoy it?
When I catch myself lying to one of my People, it's either a defensive move relating to something I don't feel safe letting them know the whole truth of (e.g., letting my mother know the extent of my queerness or my rejection of the religion I was raised in) or a very minor lie that accidentally slipped out for no particular reason I can think of (usually saying I don't know/understand something that I actually do. This may be related to certain elements of my upbringing). In both cases, I feel guilty in a deeper, more personal way. However, the defensive lying seems like a difficult necessity, and the accidental lying seems harmless enough that I can get over it fairly easily.
Both of these examples I think are just... people things.
I'd say that not letting your mother (and then potentially your fanatical father) know that you're a queer atheist is just... smart? And lying to say "no please explain" "yes I've seen that show" just to... keep the conversation going, avoid conflict, build community. THAT'S a Human Thing, as well.
When I catch myself being manipulative toward my People though, I feel extremely guilty, sometimes to the point that it leads to a panic attack. However, I wasn't always nearly so careful to avoid manipulating my People. When I was a kid, I was an absolutely terrible friend. I was controlling and constantly fishing for compliments from my friends by self-deprecating, even though this clearly made them very uncomfortable. At the same time however, I was obsessed with fairness and terrified of being selfish, so I have no idea why I didn't realize sooner that acting this way toward my friends was unfair and selfish.
You were under-confident (and probably convinced/told that you could never be good enough - ie "terrified of being selfish") and had an unstable home base. So I'm not surprised at all that this translated into fishing for compliments from, and trying to control your friends. Give yourself a break. You were a kid. You're allowed to be kind of an asshole when you're a kid.
(I tend to think that it's your environment and not yourself to blame until you're at least 12 or so.)
Whatever the reason, I didn't make an effort to stop doing this until I was around twelve.
^^^ see above. Personally, I think you're free and clear.
To this day, the way I treated my childhood friends is one of my deepest regrets, and I worry that I might slip back into those old habits if I'm not careful.
I'm... not that worried. Although this focus on immutable personal identity is very much an Internal primary thing (Snake + Lion.)
Despite my fear of being manipulative, Snake secondary still seems like the best way to go about things. Bird and Badger seem to require too much effort that might not pay off for my taste, and Lion seems foolhardy.
Snake does seem to be in the lead here.
However. I'm secretly sort of obsessed with the idea of power. I constantly fantasize about being powerful enough to just plow through anything that stands in my way, and making people fear me enough that no one will ever try to hurt me or my People again. I feel vaguely guilty about these fantasies, especially because they involve not being bound to any sort of moral code and not needing to ever worry about the consequences of my actions. So even though I know that these fantasies are probably just a result of feeling completely powerless so often throughout my childhood, and that fantasies don't actually hurt anyone, I worry sometimes that they mean I'm a bad person.
They don't. You're fine. I'd even say that some healthy power fantasies at times when you're feeling powerless are *good* for you. And sure there's a Lion flavor here, but so many power fantasy characters are Lions that I don't think I can go and attribute a Lion secondary to you based on this. After all, there are lots of things that are fun to fantasize about that would be no fun at all if they actually happened.
Even outside of my fantasies, something about the Lion secondary way of doing things sounds satisfying in a way Snake secondary just isn't. At the same time though, putting all of myself out there for everyone to see sounds terrifying.
I'm not sure if I'm able to say if you just *like* the idea of a Lion secondary because it sounds powerful and strong. Or if you *are* a Lion secondary, and have a Snake secondary model that is very robust and you like quite a lot. Either way, I would definitely experiment with spending some time in... neutral. Not preforming for anyone, just existing.
Sometimes I feel like a coward for being too afraid to stand up for what I believe in like Lions do, but I'm also afraid of being like my father, the aforementioned extreme Lion.
This is primary stuff. And yeah, I *bet* you have some issues with putting your foot down and saying 'this feels right and this feels wrong.' But for what it's worth, I don't see any evidence of you being your father. If anything, the danger seems to be you over-correcting in the opposite direction.
Anyway, I think that's about it. It seems to come down to whether I'm a burned Lion with a Snake model, or just a traumatized Snake with religious guilt. Thanks for your time, and for any insight if you choose to answer this.
The good news is that you seem to like your Snake just fine. I really don't see any burning there, apart from some very mild, garden variety "Snake is the bad guy one."
Your primary though... if anything has taken burning it's that. There's a through line to this post where you're scared of wanting things - "too scared to even make reasonable requests" "too afraid to stand up for what I believe in"- or scared of wanting the *wrong* things - "I worry that I might slip back into those old habits," "I worry sometimes that they mean I'm a bad person."
Outside of any other context, these fears and these sentiments feel like Burnt Lion primary to me. I get that option feels unsafe because of your father, but it's something to at least think about. You might be a Snake who models Lion when their people are safe. You might be a Lion with a very Snake-looking morality. Either way, I think it's very likely that there's a Lion influence mixed in there, which you should look at when you're ready.
PS - I can't seem to hide my emotions. It might just be an autism thing, but for whatever reason, unless I'm consciously thinking about it super hard, I'm always nonverbally broadcasting how I'm really feeling, to the point that it can be a problem sometimes. And trying to hide it feels Wrong somehow, like I can't properly feel my emotions if I'm not physically expressing them.
If this isn't just an autism thing or some kind of coping mechanism, it sounds like a Lion secondary thing, right?
that is... much more of a Lion primary thing. Because the problem isn't that you're got an expressive face, it's that you sometimes have trouble feeling/identifying your emotions in your body, and that feels Wrong. And *that's* the basis of being a Lion primary.
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spanishskulduggery Ā· 3 years ago
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Hi! I'm very curious about something regarding the Spanish language. I'm currently studying A2 Spanish but I had this question and my teacher did not seem too willing to discuss it. Here it goes:
I know that Spanish has, something my Spanish teacher says, linguistic gender. I was wondering how do the people who don't align themselves with the gender binary (masculine and feminine) speak/write in it? I have read this article about Spanish speaking people from US adding "x" Or "@" and people from Argentina using "e" to make the words gender neutral.
Thank you so much for responding, whenever you get to it. Also love your blog. ā¤
Short answer, in general speaking terms people are tending towards the -e now because the other two are very hard to actually speak, and because Spanish-speakers feel the -e is more authentic
What you're most likely to see in Spanish is masculine plural as the default, or in written things you might see todos y todas or like un/una alumno/a "a student", or like se busca empleado/a "employees wanted" / "looking for an employee"
If it's something official or academic you typically include both [todas y todas] or you go masculine plural [todos] unless it's specifically feminine plural
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Related, linguistic gender applies to all things, not just people. Why is la mesa "table" feminine, but el libro "book" masculine? Just linguistic gender. I can tell you that most loanwords (that aren't people) in Spanish are masculine, and that there are certain words that come from Greek are masculine, and that -ista words are unisex most of the time... And I can tell you there are some words like testigo or modelo that are unisex and don't change for gender. Aside from that, speaking about nouns and grammatical gender... those particular things are harder to parse for regular people, but if you go into the field of linguistics you can explore that more deeply. Some of it is source language (i.e. "it came from Latin this way") or things like that. And in general when talking about nouns it's unimportant and not considered sexist, that's just how it is.
There is such a thing where it gets a little too far the other way and people will say "history? what about herstory" which is a nice thought but the etymology has nothing to do with gender there
When it comes to people - and when it comes to gendered attitudes - that's where it gets more confusing and more complicated.
I believe there was an experiment where people had French and Spanish speakers [I believe it was Spanish] try to identify how a "fork" would sound. French people gave it a more feminine voice because "fork" is feminine in French, while Spanish speakers gave it a more masculine voice because it's masculine in Spanish.
Whether we like it or not, certain gendered things do influence our thoughts and feelings and reactions. A similar thing in English exists where the old joke was something like "There was a car accident; a boy is rushed to the ER and the surgeon but the father was killed. When they got to the ER the doctor said 'I can't operate on him, he's my son!'" and it's like "well who could the doctor be?" ...and the doctor is his mother. We associate "doctor" as masculine and "nurse" as feminine.
There's a gender bias in our language thought patterns, even though the language changes. And that does exist in Spanish too, to different extents.
There are certain cultural and gendered stereotypes or connotations attached to certain words, many tend to be more despective or pejorative when it's women.
For example - and I know this has changed in many places or it isn't as prevalent - el jinete "horseman/rider", while the female form is la amazona "horsewoman/rider". Because la jinete or la jineta was sometimes "promiscuous woman".
There were also debates about things like la presidente vs. la presidenta or what the female version of juez should be, whether it should be la juez or la jueza
Most languages with gendered language have varying degrees of this, and all languages I'm aware of have gendered stereotypes related to professions or cultural attitudes in some way, and not just for women, and not all in the same way with some of them being very culturally based
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The longer answer involves a bit of history, and I'll be honest, some of it is contested or considered a little controversial in Spanish-speaking countries particularly in the conservative parts (which honestly should come as no surprise)
The first symbol that I know of that came about was the X
First piece of contested history: As far as I know, it was the trans/queer and drag communities in Latin America who started the trend of X. When there were signs or bulletins that had the gendered endings - specifically masculine plural as the default plural - people would write a big X through the O. This was a way of being inclusive and also a very smash the patriarchy move.
Some people attribute this to women's rights activists which may also be true, but a good portion of the things I read from people say it was the trans/queer/drag communities in Latin America doing this.
I've also read it originated in Brazil with Portuguese; still Latin America, but not a Spanish-speaking country.
Where it's most contested is that some people will say that this trend started in the Hispanic communities of the United States. And - not without reason - people are upset that this is perceived as a very gringo movement.
That's why Latinx is considered a very American-Hispanic experience
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The arroba (@) is relatively new. I remember seeing it in the 2000s. I don't know if it existed earlier for gender inclusivity.
People used it because it looks like a combination of O and A, so it was meant to be cut down on saying things like todos y todas or niƱos y niƱas in informal written speech
I remember quite a few (informal) emails starting like hola tod@s or muy buenas a tod@s or things like that
I think of it more as convenience especially in the information age where you never knew who you were talking to and it's easier than including both words, especially when masculine plural might be clumsy or insensitive
Still, it's practically impossible to use the @ in spoken Spanish, so it's better for writing casually. You also likely won't be allowed to use the @ in anything academic, but in chatrooms, blogs, or forums it's an option
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I love the E ending. And the gender neutral form in singular is elle... so it's Ć©l "he", ella "she", and elle "they (singular)"
The -e ending is I think became more common within the past 10 years though it might have existed longer than that. These sorts of changes tend to come from the queer or trans communities and tend to be more insular before becoming more of an outside thing that then the general population finds out about
It came about because there are some adjectives in Spanish that end in -e that are unisex. It's not an A, it's not an O, but it's something grammatically neutral for Spanish
It's not as awkward as X, and E exists very firmly in Spanish so it's not perceived as some outside (typically gringo) influence
The good news is, it's pretty widespread on the internet. Not so much in person (yet), but especially in Spain and Argentina at least from what I've seen, particularly in the queer communities and online culture.
The only issues with it are that for non-native speakers, you have to get used to any spelling changes. Like amigo and amiga, but to use the E ending you have to add a U... so it's amigue.
That's because there are certain words where you have to do spelling changes to preserve the sound; gue has a hard G sound like -go does [like guerra]... but ge has the equivalent of an English H sound [gelatina for example]. Another one is cĆ³mico/a "funny" which would go to cĆ³mique. Again, because co has a hard C/K sound, while ce is a soft sound more like an S or in some contexts TH/Z sound; like centro is a soft sound, while cola is a hard sound
Unless you make it to the preterite forms where you come across like paguƩ, alcancƩ, practiquƩ with those types of endings... or subjunctive forms, pague, alcance, practique ... Basically you'd have to be exposed to those spelling rules or you'd be really confused if you were a total beginner.
It all makes sense when you speak it, but spelling might be harder before you learn those rules
The other drawback is that the E endings are sometimes not applicable. Like in damas y caballeros "ladies and gentlemen" there's not really a gender neutral variation on that, it's all binary there. And while la caballero "female knight" does exist, you'd never see a male variation on dama; the closest I've ever seen is calling a guy a damisela en apuros "damsel in distress" in some contexts where the man needs rescuing, and it's feminine una/la damisela, and it's very tongue-in-cheek
There are also some contexts like jefe vs jefa where I guess you would say jefe for "boss" if you were going the neutral route, but it's a bit weird because it's also the masculine option.
I can't speak for how people might feel about those if they're non-binary or agender because every so often you kind of get forced into the binary whether you like it or not
I totally support the E, I just recognize there are some limitations there and it's quirks of the Spanish language itself
Important Note: Just to reiterate, E endings are the ones most Spanish-speakers prefer because it's easiest to speak and doesn't have the American connotation that X does in some circles
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Where it gets very "Facebook comment section" is that you'll see many Latin Americans traditionalists and conservatives claim that "this is just the gringos colonizing our language" and "grammatical gender doesn't matter in Spanish". They'll say that the "gender movement" is an American feminist movement and that it's a gringo thing and doesn't reflect actual Latin Americans or Spanish-speakers
Which on the one hand, yes, English does have a lot of undue influence on other languages because of colonization, and American influence and meddling in Latin American politics is a big important issue
But as far as I'm aware of the X (and especially the E) were created by Latin Americans
The other issue I personally have is that any time this conversation comes up, someone will say something like somos latinOs and claim that masculine plural is gender neutral
To that I say, first of all, "masculine plural" is inherently gendered. Additionally, there is a gender neutral in Spanish but it's lo or ello and it's only used with "it" so it sounds very unfriendly to use on an actual person... and in plural it looks like masculine plural and everything applies like masculine plural
Second, the reason masculine plural is default is because of machismo. It's more important that we don't possibly misgender a man, so it has to be masculine plural. It's changed in some places, but growing up when I was learning Spanish, if it was 99 women and 1 man you still had to put masculine plural
I'm not opposed to there being a default, and I understand why it's easier to use masculine plural, but some people get very upset at the idea of inclusive language
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In general, my biggest issues with these comments come when people act like non-binary/queer/trans people don't exist in Spanish-speaking countries, like English invented them somehow. So it's nice to see linguistic self-determination and seeing native speakers using the E endings.
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nightswithkookmin Ā· 3 years ago
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A quick lesson on ships
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Because why not??šŸ˜Œ
No but seriously, bare with me, I'm trying to answer your questions. Sit if you have to. Hehe
Uban Dictionary defines shipping as this:
A termĀ used to describe fan fictions that take previously created characters and put them as a pair. It usually refers to romantic relationships, but it can refer platonic [sic] ones as well. (Just think of ā€œshippingā€ as short for ā€œrelationSHIPā€.) 9 Apr 2015
Ships can be platonic or romantic or both.
There's fictional ships and non fictional ships too. You ship two people you want to be in a relationship or who already are in a relationship or who you suspect to be in a relationship- perhaps due to queer baiting, ship baiting, romance baiting etc.
In the shipping fandom, there are two sects of people. Those who are Proships those who are Antiships- antis are ironically considered part of the shipping community because for some reason they are always in shippers businessšŸ’€
Antishippers are those who oppose a particular ship or shipping in general (more on that later.)
Proshippers are well- Pro ships.
Pro-Ship
A term mostly used in fandoms, but can stretch outside of this to include original characters. The core belief is that shipping two fictional characters, no matter if they are family, share agesĀ gaps,Ā considered to be unhealthy, or show blatant signs of being abusive or other generallyĀ unsavoryĀ behaviours, are valid in a fictional setting.
Pro-Shippers or "anti-antis" are also known as "rainbowĀ meaties" and will use šŸŒˆ + šŸ– emojis together often in their bio on twitter or other social media platforms- usually within fictional settings.
These shippers reinforce the idea fiction is separate from reality and shouldn't be confused with the other.
ā€˜Antiā€™ is short forĀ ā€˜anti-shipperā€™ orĀ ā€˜anti-[ship]ā€™.
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Kindly read through this thread to get the gist of it.
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Shipping non-fictional individuals is a subset of Proshipping, in my opinion, known also as alternative shipping- as far as my knowledge on it goes.
As with fictional shipping, alt ships have their antis too. People who disagree with shipping real couples in a romantic way for whatever arbitrary moral reasons they have and who feel entitled to go out of their way to correct, stop, police and punish such shippers.
Then there are those who although may be pro real people shipping think they have the right to tell others how they should ship and to what extent they can ship.
Others too prefer to ship real people platonically because they view romantic shipping of real people as problematic.
So to answer your question on Anon's post- there is no such thing as a Proshipper who is also Anti shipping. Thats oxymoronic. Perhaps they might be platonic shippers who are anti romantic ships but not necessarily romantic shippers themselves.
I don't think there's anything wrong with preferring to ship platonically. It is when they assume by virtue of their false sense of moderacy that they are better than others that shit starts to get funny.
Those shippers are delusionally confused beings with a supremacist imperialist complex rooted in ignorance and absurdities.
I usually walk by those quietly. keep it pushing. Gotta mind my business somehow even though most times I just want to pull their hair and bite them and shitšŸ˜­
I try to keep it classy.
Lord knows I try.
You are either pro ship or anti ship. There's no in between. Those shippers who are shippers but claim they are not are nothing but fraudulent, fake us, simps trying to bamboozle their way through life- pardon my Swahili.
There are a lot of anti shippers moonlighting as shippers in this fandom. It's fascinating.
Personally I think those people are either confused or their desires to appeal to other Anti shippers must have morphed their brains into ass dick hybrids.
Anti shippers in general are notorious gatekeepers, gaslighters, bigots, high key sanctimonious and often have a cis white westernized sense of morality and ethics through which they fliter others and expect everyone and everything to conform to.
They impose their values on others, their ethics on others, resort to manipulation, policing, intimidation and bullying to impose their will etc.
Within shipping, there are those who are Proshipping yet anti certain ships. Most Tuktukkers are anti Jikook. And assume anyone who isn't a tuktukker is equally anti Tae Kook and so go ahead and exhibit anti behaviours towards them.
Think of such groups of shippers as Proshippers with a preference for particular ships if you will.
There are Pro shippers who also feel some kind of way about Shipping real life people or alt shipping.
Here's further resource to help you understand what proshipping is
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If you are intolerant with other shippers choice of ships or style of shipping and you traumatize them for it that's Anti shipping. Especially if you feel entitled and justified to traumatize others because you take a higher moral status over them.
You can be proship and not like how certain people, how they go about
Simply walk away, click off, mind your business. You are not the only adult in these streets and leave people to do what interests them.
I think for as long as I can remember, I've always been a proshipper and I ship both platonically and romantically, fictionally and alternativelyšŸ’€
Some themes in fiction are a hard limit for me such as the R word, pedophilia, incest, child abuse- I just can never find the entertainment in those topics and will struggle through such themes.
But others believe it's just FICTION and those fictional characters aren't really dealing with the imaginary struggles we read about.
Yall do you sis.
I don't really know why people make a big deal of it or try to demonize the concept of shipping as if it were something strange or mysterious- just keep your moral values to yourself. I am not your mother's daughter. we were not raised in the same households.
Then again I think it all depends on the different cultures and social backgrounds we all come from and how entitled, supremacist or imperialist they are.
For Yoonmin, I shipped them romantically but didn't think they were a real couple at all. I just romanticized their interactions and found humor in it. At the back of my head I was expecting them each to one day find husbands or wives and go their merry ways and even harbored the thought they each could very much be in serious romantic relationships with others.
In similar ways, I shipped Minimoni and Vmin.
You can ship a pair romantically and not think at all that they are actually REAL.
A lot of jokers ship Jikook romantically and don't assume they are real. Just as a lot of people shipped say Elena and Stefan romantically even though Paul was married.
Some shipped Elena and Damon too due to their unscreen chemistry and even felt they could be a thing- that was before later it was revealed they had started dating in real life. Even that I was holding on to my Bonnie x Damon fantasies because Bonnie was my bias and I shipped her with everyone romantically- of course I didn't expect any of those ships to manifest into something because it was the character I was shipping not Kat herself. To this day I still love her onscreen chemistry and friendship with Damon and don't see how people could wish for it to be more than thatšŸ˜­
It was beautiful as is. Not everything should climax into sexual intercourse.
But if I felt at some point any of her ships had crossed into alternative ships I would have jumped on those and supported it whole heartedly.
If you assume a pair are a real couple and dating in real life that's alt shipping- a lot of alt shippers suspect a ship is real and that's why they ship them.
There is no such thing as platonic alt shipping.
And for me personally, because I believe Jikook are a real couple and have made that cross over I don't ship any of that pair romantically with other members anymore.
It's bizzare to me to ship someone I know has a partner romantically with anybody else- I make exceptions for Vmin of coursešŸ’€
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I know JK is side eyeing me but I don't care.
I want Tae to be happy toošŸ˜­šŸ˜­šŸ˜­
Tae just wants his bestfriend and soulmatešŸ˜­
It's too muchšŸ˜­šŸ˜­šŸ˜­šŸ˜­šŸ˜­šŸ˜­
He stays shooting his shotsšŸ¤£
Jimin Harem is realšŸ¤­
I must admit, I catch myself slipping on Vmin and Minimoni every now and then- old habits die hard and they don't make it easy šŸ˜«
But that don't mean I think Vmin is dating. THAT WOULD BE WILD.
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Summary
Proshippers can be Platonic or Romantic shippers and you can ship a pair romantically and not assume they are real at all.
Anti shippers are just assholes trying to beat their values down people's throats.
Alt shippers don't ship their OTP with other players romantically.
I don't know what you mean by Jinkooker...
Do you ship Jinkook romantically or think they are real?? Sis...
Maybe you just ship them platonically or casually.
I ship all the ships platonically.
Especially all Jimin"s Tae's ships. I'd let my self flirt with the idea of romance every now and then.
JK's ships don't make sense to me as ships.
As nonplatonic ships I mean.
I'm fascinated each time I see a hardcore JK x any member ship besides Jikook swearing up and down JK is screwing NamjoonšŸ¤£šŸ¤£
I hope this helps??
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aeondeug Ā· 4 years ago
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So while I was reading GtN and HtN I occasionally stopped to be like ā€œWow, itā€™s great how these can be just so gay!ā€ And like. That is really great. Super great. I love that about them. But I also remember at least once stopping and going ā€œWow, itā€™s great that thereā€™s no homophobia here!ā€ And like at the time I just kind of nodded along to myself. Around when I just finished GtN, I remember being very fond of the bit after the book with like the guy explaining like. The deal with necro/cav relationships in The Media and throughout history and how actually none of these things have ever been romance. This is just a pure relationship, unaffected by naughty things like ROMANCE. WHY DOES EVERYTHING NEED TO BE ROMANCE?! shouts the author of this paper. And I laughed at this. Because it reminded me a lot of people who do this shit with queer love. They do it with history and just go ā€œWhy does Sappho have to be gay, why canā€™t she just have passionate feelings for her BFFsā€. Which is mindbogglingly stupid to me and anyone who has so much as LOOKED at some of the poem fragments. But like people do say that shit. And they do this a lot over like queer anything in fiction unless it like punches you in the face with rainbows immediately. ā€œWhy do Bubblegum and Marceline have to be gay? Theyā€™re just friends!ā€ is a take that I legitimately saw on the day of the finale. And not just once. I saw it a few times. And Iā€™ve seen that happen over so many ships in so many things, whether or not the ships end up canon. ā€œWhy does it have to be gay?ā€ and the specific sort of outrage over it Iā€™ve seen in essay length posts is just common, and that sort of outrage reads very similar to the argument that dude made about necro/cav relationships. It reads like that and close enough so that I made a joke about it even. I didnā€™t think too, too much on this at first though because I mean. We have Abigail and Magnus. Theyā€™re right there. A man and a woman, a husband and a wife. So like I was able to simultaneously go ā€œomg itā€™s just like those why canā€™t they just be friends WHY DOES IT NEED TO BE GAY peopleā€ and also ā€œwow itā€™s nice that there are spooky negative queer experiences of SADNESS hereā€. Which has got me thinking. Ok. So we have that essay. Now what else do we have in the books? I suppose could point at the entirety of Gideon and Harrowā€™s just furious refusal to admit that they might actually be in love with one another. Even though it appears to be obvious to literally everyone else in the galaxy. And is obvious to the readers. Hell, Gideon even has a moment of feeling like she needs to tell Harrow something the day before she dies. Something which is heavily romance coded, I donā€™t know the word for it. But like a ā€œWow I feel a need to tell them something and itā€™ll be my last shotā€ before a death just kind of always reads ā€œIt was an ā€˜I love youā€™. They needed to say it and didnā€™t get a chanceā€. So weā€™ve got that and, specifically, weā€™ve got their outrage at the suggestions. Gideon stresses that sheā€™s JUST Harrowā€™s cav. And sheā€™s very fucking insistent on that. Part of the why is that she knows Harrow is in love with a fucking dead girl in a casket but like. It just hits a certain way. Thereā€™s also Harrowā€™s just repeated disgust she expresses towards the concept of necro/cav relationships. She needs to explain away to herself that like, well, Abigail and Magnus were ALREADY married before he was named her cavalier primary so maybe that makes it fine. And even then sheā€™s not like super duper comfy with the idea. A taboo has been broken, Harrow feels, and she needs to get really rules lawery to find any comfort with that. Other small things that feel of note to me here are the nature of the ways we know that these two are gay outside of like. Their weird thing for one another. With Gideon weā€™re introduced to it basically immediately with her joke about titty mags. Harrow specifically makes a comment at some point that some of the magazines Gideon gets are very gross, yes. Her interest in women is explicitly made sexual from the get go, and the idea that The Gays are just weird sex fiends and there is no love there is a frequent one. With Harrow meanwhile we know because she says sheā€™s in love with the girl in the Locked Tomb. Who is very much dead. A thing that is fucky enough that like there is an entire song and dance about ā€œGIDEON THE FIRST IS MAKING OUT WITH A CORPSE??????ā€ and how Harrow is a hypocrite for being so offended by that all. Also the girl is behind the door. She is something that isnā€™t supposed to be seen or known about or, heaven forbid, woken up. That is all the ultimate taboo and Harrow not only fucking broke that but she looked at the girl and went ā€œWow Iā€™m in loveā€ on the spot. So we have this collection of things that could be read as some sort of metaphor for like...The taboo nature of queer love. ā€œWhy canā€™t they just be friends?ā€ and issues of purity and the lack thereof. And we have characters who are very clearly in love but who canā€™t just admit that because they think thereā€™s something fucking wrong with that. Gideonā€™s JUST her cav and Harrow is also in love with a dead chick. We also have Magnus and Abigail around who are just like. Happily married and fine with things regarding their whole necro/cav aesthetic. Ianthe doesnā€™t seem to give a shit that Gideonā€™s into Harrow at all. Thereā€™s a fondness for necro/cav relationships enough that thereā€™s an entire romance genre centered on them and like characters in the cast are fond of those, some of them. Things appear to be Fine, at least as far as their friends are concerned. Maybe the asshole writing the essay that kicked this pondering off would have an issue and a stuffy old grandma would pitch a fit. But like their friends donā€™t have a problem with necro/cav shit. But we still very much have Gideon and Harrow being ā€œWell no. Weā€™re just a necromancer and their cavalier. GOD.ā€ Now part of what got me thinking about this is that I recently decided to start watching Bly Manor. Because fuck it we havenā€™t yet. And specifically part of why is I remember seeing an analysis of it done by Rowan Ellis which had this bit where like the argument that ā€œBly Manor proves you can do queer stories without homophobia being a part of it!ā€ is brought up and like...Ellis is like ā€œOk but we very much do just lock a queer woman in a literal closet while she screams to be let outā€. And lo and behold in the first episode we very much do just lock a queer woman in a literal closet while she screams to be let out. In an episode showing that sheā€™s like just unable to go back home for...some reason. And that she has some sort of difficulty with her relationship with her mother. No, the show is not having the character literally go ā€œWow I sure am in the closet and I kind of fucking hate that woe is me I am so gayā€. But figuratively? Itā€™s all over the place in that first episode. Iā€™m not sure about the others because I havenā€™t watched them, but it is there in the very first one. And thatā€™s something horror does very well. It takes things that are scary and uncomfortable and bundles them up in shades of metaphor. It hides them fromĀ  you by showing you the thing cleverly disguised. Maybe you do not notice it the first time through perhaps. Maybe you felt that a certain thing like the closet scene resonated very hard with you and youā€™re not sure why. But you perhaps donā€™t consciously goĀ ā€œAha! It is the horror of being closeted!ā€ Upon looking back on it or back through it though you might notice it. And be like ā€œOh that was there. Holy fuck.ā€ Now maybe youā€™re also someone who isnā€™t like. Comfortable. With straightforward depictions of specifically queer suffering. Maybe itā€™s just too scary. But with this show hiding it in a metaphor you got to sit through that. You got to be brave enough to sit through a very, very scary thing. And afterwords you go to think about it. This is the power of metaphor and itā€™s something horror has been very, very good at doing for ages. Maybe racism or homophobia or whatever else is too nerve wracking for you to look at face on in media, but maybe you can watch a movie or a show where the horror of those things are very much there but cloaked in metaphor. And so maybe we are getting that with Gideon and Harrowā€™s weird issues around how ā€œtabooā€ their feelings are. Two people who are just unwilling to believe that it might be that thing, in part because that thing is ā€œtabooā€. Except instead of the taboo being literally ā€œTheyā€™re lesbians, Harold,ā€ itā€™s instead cloaked in a comforting metaphor of necro/cav relationships and some dude who is really fucking offended at peopleā€™s space ao3 fanfictions about his historical favs. Which is important because every fucking scrap of anything one gets is an argument. It canā€™t just be that theyā€™re in love. Itā€™s that you must PROVE it and some asshole with a degree or just a bone to pick is going to come by and be like ā€œWHY CANā€™T THEY JUST BE A NECRO AND A CAVā€ about it all. And like Iā€™m someone whoā€™s known theyā€™re into other women for a long while now. At least half my life. We have conquered that hurdle. But we havenā€™t entirely unpacked all the weird little societal bullshit that is still in there. Hiding. Lurking. And that societal bullshit specifically frames that sort of love as something gross and taboo and ā€œWhy Canā€™t They Just Be Friends?ā€. With that last thing hurting a lot. Iā€™ve constantly run across people going ā€œWhy canā€™t they just be friends?ā€ or going ā€œThey just have a sisterly relationship!ā€ about things I shipped. Even when those things involved shit like the characters kissing on screen or mentioning that theyā€™ve been dating in a sequel series. I canā€™t simply like my ships. I canā€™t simply see myself in romance. Because my sort of love is so taboo that it is, in itself, a debate. Maybe being shown the thing cleverly disguised as another thing might help me unpack that. At the very least it helps me look at it. When itā€™s something that hurts a lot to this day.
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neonponders Ā· 3 years ago
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šŸ‘€Ā šŸ‘€Ā šŸ‘€Ā šŸ‘€Ā  Oh jesus oh lord. Deeper Than Skin is finished so Iā€™ll enable another wip.
@ghostofjellyfishforgotten I hope you donā€™t mind me using your tags on this vampire!Billy / blood donor!Steve post as inspiration! Your brain is just too big for me not to pass up an opportunity to write vampire shenanigans.
Read on ao3 ~
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Steve didnā€™t judge people who worked as donorsā€”
Fine, as an adult with a better awareness and compassion, Steve didnā€™t judge donors. He mightā€™ve said some shitty things to Jonathan Byers when he worked to make his family extra money.
Honestly? Steve admired that. Jonathan being underage and having the guts to figure out how to get into the donation clinic, and then to letā€¦
Steve knew he was a coward in a lot of ways. He knew it when he called Jonathan a queer who enjoyed leeches sucking on him. He knew it when he lost to the punches Byers threw. For a skinny, half empty blood bag, the guy could really hit. And Steve knew it when he almost ran away from Nancy and Jonathan fighting off the rogue vampire who kidnapped little Will Byers.
But Steve didnā€™t run away.
Just like he didnā€™t run away from the couch he sat on with his mother while his father explainedā€¦a situation that left Steve digging deeper and deeper into the gap between fear and bravery. Maybe call it disassociation. Or confused shock.
ā€œYou what?ā€
Harrington senior never took well to being interrupted. But he sighed from across the coffee table and reiterated, ā€œThe family is in debt.ā€
ā€œNo. You. Youā€™re in debt. This is your problem.ā€
The man certainly didnā€™t take well to having his own mistakes shoved under his nose. ā€œThis isnā€™t for debate. This is the way things are and need to be.ā€
ā€œNo,ā€ Steve repeated like a broken record clinging onto its song. ā€œThis is your fault. Whoā€™s made me work minimum wage jobs to teach me a lesson? Whoā€™s refused to pay for me to go to community college? Who hasnā€™t let me work in their company? And who made the shitty gambles with your companyā€™s stocks? You shoved me out, so itā€™s definitely not my problemā€”ā€
ā€œThe contract has already been signed.ā€
Now his mother shifted her posture on the couch beside him. ā€œExcuse me?ā€
Steveā€™s father moved his blunt nails over the armrest of his wingback, fidgeting. At least something put fear into the old bastardā€™s heart.
ā€œThereā€™s nothing I could do. The market has been evolving ever since vampires gained their rights and opened up their decades and centuries old bondsā€”ā€
ā€œVampire legislation passed over a century ago,ā€ Mrs. Harrington purred. Sometimes the worst anger was the quiet kind. ā€œYou have no excuse. You lost the game, and you sold our son. Is that what weā€™re to believe?ā€
ā€œThatā€™s not possible,ā€ Steve intercepted. ā€œSlavery isnā€™t a thing anymore. Even I picked that up in history. And I would have to be there to sign the contract! Itā€™s myā€”ā€
ā€œSteve,ā€ his father silenced. ā€œWhen enough money is involved, anything is bought. And youā€™re not like anyone else.ā€
Mrs. Harrington fumed, ā€œDo not talk to him like heā€™s a prize pony!ā€
ā€œExcept to a wealthy vampire, he is.ā€
Steve could only sit in weighted silence for a moment. He always joked to himself that heā€™d be disowned one of these days. For being a disappointment. For all of his bad grades. For giving his friends alcohol and cigarettes. For only being able to get jobs that required no qualifications or experience level at all. For discovering he liked kissing boys at the grimy music venues Robin took him to. Maybe living at home for too long. Or leaving the smell of burnt pancakes in the air too often because he always struggled with the first oneā€”
ā€œVampire?ā€ he croaked. For some reason it hadnā€™t dawned to him until now butā€¦shit.
Holy shit.
Steve wasnā€™t being sold off to be some billionaireā€™s secretary for life. He was beingā€¦truly sold. Likeā€¦goodbye, Steve, who likes spring nights and summer mornings. His favorite food is breakfast and he wishes he kept with the music lessons his mom paid for instead of being peer pressured into sports. Whose best friend was Robin Buckley because she was brave and funny and stuck with him during his ironic and a little bit terrifying queer awakeningā€¦
Hello, Donor 0235. Blood type O. Allergic to nickel and checks off all vaccination requirements.
ā€œSteveā€™s not wrong,ā€ his mother echoed like a voice deep in a cave, drawing Steve out of his thoughts. ā€œHe is the one to sign the contract. Not you.ā€
ā€œHe is still classified as our dependent and on our insurance,ā€ his father refused.
ā€œSo being an adult means nothing in this country?ā€
ā€œThey have our family records, Annette!ā€ he exclaimed. ā€œThere is a dual government in this country even if nobody below upper-middle class sees it. The human government had to cede a great deal because the vampire population is massive. And theyā€™ve kept track of all the Sanguis families! Name changes, and two World Wars did nothing to save usā€”ā€
ā€œThe what?ā€ Steve all but whispered.
His mother rotated her hips to face him. ā€œWe only have legends about how it happened. Paleolithic gods making deals, vampires crossbreeding humans to make a certain kind of blood donor, human evolution after symbiotic deals were struckā€”but that doesnā€™t matter. The point is that there are people in this world with abilities that preserve themselves against vampires. Thatā€™s why you healed in less than two days after that silly fight by the movie theatre.ā€
His father intercepted, ā€œThe genes skipped your mother but fell to you.ā€
Steveā€™s eyes widened as his mother confirmed, ā€œTo protect us, girls have been promoted in the family tree for generations. Through marriage, their names could change, and make them harder to track.ā€
Steve countered toward his father, ā€œSo this really isnā€™t your place to sign my life away. Like five times over.ā€
ā€œI quite agree,ā€ his mother turned back to the man sheā€™d married. The man who was supposed to protect her and her children with his name and promising, growing business.
At least Steve wasnā€™t the only failure in the family.
His father massaged his forehead and defended, ā€œAs I said. Humansā€™ government is far easier to corrupt our way into forgiving any debt. The vampires, however, are inconsolable. The bastard would have my business, the cars, our house, and taken his time discovering Steve on his own if I hadnā€™tā€”ā€
Steve took after his father, but he was his motherā€™s son as they both stood up from the couch, furious that this man had thrown his own kid under a vampireā€™s busā€”
ā€œGet out of the house, Steve.ā€
His head whipped around at her. ā€œI-What?ā€
ā€œGet out of the house,ā€ she seethed, but not at him. ā€œI donā€™t care where or what you do. Go.ā€
Steve didnā€™t need to be told twice but he hadnā€™t managed to grab his car keys or his shoes before the house and his ribcage trembled with his parentsā€™ arguing. He went in his socks outside and put the shoes on in his car.
Thenā€¦he didnā€™t know where to go. Running the hell away seemed like the obvious solution, but if vampires really had such a network, what was the point? And if he left, what would happen to his mom?
Steve drove on autopilot to the video rental store. Robin. All he had was Robin, who took the lollipop out of her mouth when the bell on the door twittered. ā€œHey, dingus, itā€™s your day offā€”Steve?ā€
He couldnā€™t really remember driving. That probably should have raised more red flags than he already had, but for now, the black and neon carpeting of the Family Video was blurring and swirlingā€¦
ā€œIā€™m gonna throw up,ā€ he heard himself say.
And Robin in that distant, echoing cave his mother had spoken from, ā€œOutside! STEVE!ā€
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wangxiandecoded Ā· 4 years ago
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Episode 10
Previous EpisodeĀ | Next Episode
(Spoilers for the whole show ahead!)
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Going to draw a heart over Wangxian to keep track of every time the camera shows someone third wheeling them from now on.
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Wei Ying uses his Binding/Bonding talisman on Xue Yang to show Lan Zhan itā€™s a dynamic tool that doesnā€™t deserve to be namedĀ ā€œBoringā€.Ā Even though thereā€™s a serial killer on the loose, Lan Zhanā€™s opinions on his inventions matter a lot to him. Standard Wei Ying stuff.
Wangxianā€™s Mirrors
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At this point of the show, I could not believe there was a couple who directly mirrored Wangxian. And surprise! They were two men who dressed in black and white and came together for their common vision exactly like Wangxian did. Wei Ying cannot help but connect the dots and Lan Zhan is already aware of their eminence.
Xue Yang Fancies The Yiling LaozuĀ 
Xue Yangā€™s introduction makes the story take a darker turn but also aĀ gayerĀ one. The homoerotic subtext between him and Wei Ying literally jumps out of the screen.Ā Ā 
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(This episode had a lot of moments that were just begging for alternate dialogues to be written. I just wanted to have fun with the subtext thatā€™s already present.)Ā Ā 
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Wei Ying doesnā€™t want Lan Zhan to waste his precious breath interrogating the bad guy. He protectively steps up (something he does quite a lot) and puts some distance between the both of them.
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But he wants Lan Zhan to hold his sword while he does that.. and if that act wasnā€™t necessarily considered to be intimate or romantic before, it just became that after Lan Zhan refused to do it in front of everyone.
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Wei Ying has uttered many conspicuously gay things on the show but most of them are with reference to Lan Zhan. Therefore, this is possibly the gayest dialogue he has ever said in a strictly non-Lan Zhan context.
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His tone is all, ā€œHoney, you've been existing for 5 minutes, I'm the queerest person the cultivation world has seen in a millennium. You think frisking a guy is going to make me feel scandalized?ā€ This is nuts to me because Xue Yang is arguably the most blatantly coded gay character on the show.. and here is Wei Ying all but saying he can outgay him. That he shouldnā€™t come afterĀ his job. And Lan Zhan just looks like..
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It is curious how Lan Zhan says no to something that would require Wei Ying to go near Xue Yang again.
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We get it, Lan Zhan. It was hard to see your guy giving attention to someone who wasnā€™t you.
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When Lan Zhan is unsure what's happening back home, the first person his eyes seek is Wei Ying, his source of strength and reassurance.
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SongXiao Help WangXian Fall Deeper In Love
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Wei Ying is euphoric to meet another pair of Soulmatesā„¢. (The same kind of glee that queer people feel when they meet a celebrity queer couple.) His relationship with Lan Zhan just gained supreme validation and a boost to the power of infinity!
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He sees everything he has with Lan Zhan reflected in SongXiaoā€™s relationship. He admires them and is delighted that people like them who arenā€™t concerned with clan drama can walk the wider path of justice, and also lead successful, honourable lives. He looks to Lan Zhan for confirmation but Lan Zhan doesnā€™t seem too eager to publicize the super sweet promise they made at the lantern ceremony or the fact that heā€™s been secretly enjoying Wei Yingā€™s companionship on this expedition. And letā€™s be honest, it wouldā€™ve been more shocking if Lan Zhan did confirm any of that here.
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Cheer up, Wei Ying! Lan Zhan will get plenty more opportunities to prove his love for you and he'll ace every single one of them.
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No one asked for this but thank you NHS for declaring your ideal type is beautiful gentlemen who fight crime together and unapologetically go their own way.
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The parallels between the two pairs write themselves. More importantly, it is while watching SongXiao leave together that Lan Zhan stumbles onto an epiphany.
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This is such an underrated moment in the show. The sorrowful music and slow-motion shot of Lan Zhan looking at Wei Ying with vulnerability all over his face once again drives it home that Wei Ying is The One for him, and he is his. He was already getting tired of denying that Wei Ying is his soulmate in every sense there is, and he feels his pain and sadness in this moment. It is enough for Jiang Cheng to feel sorry for him and move on but not for Lan Zhan who feels all that his soulmate feels.Ā 
It is overwhelming and brand new information to Lan Zhan himself that he can feel it because Wei Ying is not in impending danger right now, so this need he feels to protect him and be there for him can only mean that he loves him beyond the shadow of a doubt. Wei Ying seems upset thinking about his mother and Lan Zhan gets it, without Wei Ying having uttered a word the whole time. His face shows a kind of defeat in this scene; he surrenders to everything he has known and felt for some time now : He's in love with Wei Ying and would tear down the universe without a second thought if it means it would rid him of his unhappiness. And he isn't able to do that in this moment. But thanks to Song Lan and Xiao Xingchen, heā€™s found comfort in the truth they have each other at the end of the day, even if they have nothing left in this world. He cannot give back to Wei Ying what he has lost but he can accompany him in his sadness, and it will have to be enough. And it is, because Wei Ying can overcome just about everything as long as Lan Zhan walks by his side.
Wei Ying Says Lan Clan Deserves Rights
Wei Ying has many nice things to say about the Lan clan who he found exhausting a few months ago. Love brings about miraculous changes in a person, yā€™all.
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Wei Ying gravitates towards Lan Zhan as if it's second nature to him and it really is.
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Jiang Cheng spends a lot of time trying to get Wei Ying to spill the Top Secrets about the Yin Iron and Wei Ying is like, "Sorry, Iā€™m bound by the Soulmate laws to tell you absolutely nothing."
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Wei Ying is already embracing the idea of controlling the Yin Iron and people are rightfully getting offended by his suggestion.
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What did you expect, Wei Ying? Not everyone is your lifetime confidant to give you the benefit of the doubt and reciprocate it with compassion, trust and open-mindedness.
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Wangxianā€™s Temporary Separation
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What was that, Wei Ying? Did we hear you admit that the Gusu Lan roof is softer than the one in Qinghe? Could this have anything to do with a certain law enforcer in Cloud Recesses you fell in love with at first sword fight?Ā 
There is a delicate, bittersweet air to this separation, and even the casual watcher is going to be wondering, ā€œWhen did I get so invested in Wangxian that WuJi makes me want to cry?ā€
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It's cute how Lan Zhan is like, ā€œOkay, Iā€™ve seen the love of my life for one last time, Iā€™ll quietly take my leave so he doesnā€™t know I was waiting for him to come back.ā€
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Turns out, "I'll sleep on your roof tonight," is one of the most romantic things we could tell the person we love. Isn't it brilliant that just few seconds ago Wei Ying had said he will take whatever ground he finds as his home for the night, and how utterly beautiful is it to have followed it up with this dialogue? ā€œLan Zhan, I'll sleep on your roof tonight.ā€ Because the world is big but my home is wherever you are. Thatā€™s where Iā€™m happiest, I'll sleep on this rugged roof and walk through thorns if it means I get to be by your side. I won't mind it at all.Ā And how unbelievably romantic is it that Wei Ying makes a philosophical statement about life, which ends up being about Lan Zhan?
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Lan Zhan hears the implications in his voice. And he openly yearns to stay behind a little longer and commit to his memory what Wei Ying looks like when he is drunkenly proclaiming his love for him under the moonlight. It is pleasantly surprising that Lan Zhan is willing to express his emotions when he knows he is safe from Wei Ying hearing them, that he doesn't mind telling him goodbye when he thinks Wei Ying won't remember it.Ā 
But the audience can hear his voice and we are going to remember it. How, "Wei Ying, I have to go," is uttered in a cadence so sweet we did not know Lan Zhan was capable of before this. And the choice of words do not simply mean that heā€™s going to leave, but that he has to, and most certainly not because he wants to.Ā And how it really means, ā€œIā€™m worried about everything, but especially you, and I'm sorry I have to go. I have to trust that we'll both be okay on this path. Please know that I don't wishĀ to leave you, and forgive me for it. Wei Ying, I love you."
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Even their temporary separation hurts so good. If they were meant to be best buddies, this scene wouldn't have been shot so poignantly. But we got used to seeing them together and every frame is designed to dig deeper into your heart and instil the fact that these soulmates are parting, and we donā€™t know when theyā€™ll see each other again. This is the melancholy of a man who does not wish to be away from his lover but is forced to for the sake of the greater good. Anyone can see that.
The rooftop and moonlit night come as a callback to their first meeting, only Lan Zhan no longer wants to point the tip of his sword at Wei Ying, it gives him far greater satisfaction to place Wei Ying behind his sword.
I havenā€™t counted the number ofĀ times people acknowledge Wangxianā€™s relationship and/or know that they are inseparable, but itā€™s safe to say almost every character does that at some point. And some even know how to exploit their weakness, that in order to hurt one of them, the surefire way is to simply aim for the other like Wen Chao does here.
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To summarize, Episode 10 saw Lan Zhan showing us his true colors : When he isnā€™t occupied with being the esteemed, intimidating Lan Wangji, heā€™s busy being a regular, sweet, romantic guy in love. And Wei Ying did that. He single-handedly exposes the soft side of Lan Zhan that nobody sees to the audience now and the world later on.Ā 
This episode also gave us this : Two soulmates chilling shoulder to shoulderĀ zero feet apart because theyā€™re falling in love.
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I'm genuinely curious and don't want to start something! Just wanted to ask what you make of the 'Old Fritz might've been asexual' take, I don't know much about him and I feel you're one of the best people to ask esp since you lean towards 'he was probably queer in some way' too
Hey there! So, first off, donā€™t ever worry about me interpreting you asking me a question as starting something. As much as I love making dumb jokes about the guy, I love nothing more than doing this kind of stuff and defending or explaining my points. Thereā€™s two degrees I want to get over the next decade: first my JD and then my MA in Prussian history. I live for this stuff! Always have! Second off, Iā€™m very sorry for not getting to this sooner. Things have been incredibly stressful for me for a variety of different reasons which have made answering your question, until now, rather difficult. Putting this under a cut because, holy shit, it got long!
My personal reasoning for why I think heā€™s bi (which, correct me if Iā€™m wrong, Iā€™m assuming is what you meant instead of ace and could be a different post entirely since some historians have tried to argue that) stems more to do with some of my lingering questions about the nature of his relationships with certain woman, rather than that of his relationships with men. To me and my modern, queer eye, Fritzā€™s relationships with men like Hans Hermann von Katte, Francisco Algarotti, Michael Gabriel Fredersdorf, and (much to my personal vexation) one Monsieur Voltaire are either outright homosexual/homoerotic in nature or very, very easily lend themselves to that interpretation rather than strictly romantic friendships (which Wikipedia does a fairly good overview of and, if youā€™re coming to me from AmRev perspective, uses Hamilton and Laurensā€™ relationship as a familiar example). While Iā€™m avoiding those relationships in this ask, Iā€™d be more than happy to elaborate upon one/all of them in a different one.Ā 
Before I go into the big pauses that Fritzā€™s relationships with Madame von Wreech and Countess Orzelska give me, I want to deny the use of Fritzā€™s wife as an example of Fritzā€™s attraction to woman. While this, admittedly, may sound odd, we have ample evidence of how turned off and repulsed Fritz found Elisabeth Christine. Before he had even met her, Fritz was complaining about how she was ā€˜not very pretty, speaks but little, and acts like a blockheadā€™ (Asprey, 87) and, later, admitted to Grumbkow his plan to ā€˜keep my word,...get married, but afterwards it will be a case of that is that, and goodbye, Madame, and fare thee wellā€™ (Jones, 52). For Christā€™s sake, the man pitied her knowing how his treatment would leave her as ā€˜one more unhappy princess in the worldā€™! Which is little consolation when you remember he also referred to her with such romantic terms as ā€˜this unpleasant creature,ā€™ ā€˜the abominable object of my desires,ā€™ ā€˜the person,ā€™ and claimed to have preferred to marry ā€˜the biggest whore in Berlinā€™ (Asprey, 87). And while we (fortunately? unfortunately?) know quite a bit about their sex life, Fritz largely regarded it as just another duty - to quote him, ā€˜I will only have the duty to fuckā€™ (Ibid, 87). And while Seckendorf heard - first, presumably from Count von der Schulenburg and, later on, Count Friedrich von Wartensleben, a close and intimate friend of the then-crown prince - that Fritz would ā€˜fuck and refuckā€™ Elisabeth Christine and that said act occurred in the afternoon, it still was out of a sense of obligation (Bely, 481-2). When reminded that if he wanted more money for frivolities, heā€™d need to produce an heir, Fritz bemoaned that he ā€˜cannot sleep with my wife out of desire, and when I do sleep with her, I do it out of duty rather than inclinationā€™ (Clark, 50). All this in accumulation, as well as the myriad of other quotes and incidents Iā€™ve left out, makes one wonder why his relationship with Elisabeth Christine is sometimes used by historians to prove any sort of heterosexual impulse in the man when sheā€™s the woman with the weakest supports for that argument.
That being said, now we get to the women with a more muddled places in his romantic escapades, if you will. What exactly happened between Orzelska and Fritz during his trip with his father to Dresden in 1728? The main source for everything that occurred during this trip is Wilhelmina, who didnā€™t attend and without anything about this specific incident coming from Fritz or Friedrich Wilhelm I, make it rather hard to use as concrete, irrefutable proof. Now, if her recollections were contemporaneous - like coming from a diary or journal she kept at the time - that would be one thing. But it comes from her memoirs which, while a delightful read 10/10 recommend, are written decades after this trip took place and, memory being a finicky thing, canā€™t be taken to the bank. All those disclaimers, hereā€™s the story as told by her:
ā€˜One evening...,the King of Poland [note: Augustus II] insensibly led the King of Prussia to a very richly decorated room...The King of Prussia, delighted with what he saw, stopped to contemplate all its beauties, when [all of] a sudden a tapestry was rolled up, which procured him a very novel sight. It was a lovely female in a state of nudity [note: Countess Orzelska, the Polish kingā€™s daughter], carelessly reclined on a couch. Her beauty excelled that of the finest pictures of Venus and the Graces; her body seemed of ivory, whiter than snow, and better shaped than that of the Venus de Medicis at Florence.
...Scarcely had the King cast his eyes on the fair one, than he turned about with indignation; and seeing my brother behind him, he rudely pushed him out of the room, and left it immediately after in a violent irritation against the trickery they had attempted to practice on him. ...In spite of the Kingā€™s vigilance, [Frederick] had had time to contemplate the Venus of the closet, who did not cause him so much horror as she had done to his father. (Wilhelminaā€™s Memoirs, vol. 1, 107-6)
Wilhelmina then goes on to claim Fritz had fallen ā€˜passionately in loveā€™ with Orzelska and that the illness Fritz experienced upon returning home was simply being lovesick. Pinning the accuracy of this story is incredibly difficult because, again, we have only one source relayed decades after the fact and from two volumes of memoirs known to have inaccuracies. While I, personally, would love if he had had a tryst with Orzelska (who is such a badass in her own right and deserves more recognition than as a footnote in this guyā€™s story), thereā€™s no one way to say with more than 30% confidence. I am inclined to believe something along these lines happened because if someone told me a story like this, lord knows I wouldnā€™t forget it for the rest of my life. And, with Wilhelmina being so close with her brother, it lends a bit more credence but as to the actual emotional or physical response Fritz had to it, well, without my time machine, I canā€™t and donā€™t want to say.
With Madame Eleonore-Louise von Wreech, things are a little more concrete. For starters, Fritz actually talked about her! In written correspondence that survived! We even have seven letters between the two of them that survived, which is a bigger win! As Blanning says, theyā€™re ā€˜ardent but light in tone, ironic, almost flippant, and highly stylizedā€™ (Blanning, 58). Their relationship was known to those close with Fritz at the time that Schulenberg felt compelled to visit and warn the crown prince against devoting himself to women because ā€˜the slight pleasures gained cause a million displeasures.ā€™Ā  Fritzā€™s response? To tell the poor guy that he may have ā€˜the gift of continence, but I assure you that I do notā€™ (Asprey, 83-4). Firtz even went so far as to send a letter to her mother, waxing poetic about Louiseā€™s ā€˜beauty, her majestic air, her bearing, and her entire department.ā€™ Itā€™s worth noting that Louise eventually broke off the affair due to being bored by how he ā€˜loved [her] too much and often annoyed [her] with his clumsy loveā€™ (Ibid, 84). Contemporaries, including Friedrich Wilhelm, believed Fritz had impregnated her with a daughter who her ā€˜cuckolded husband would refuse to recognizeā€™ (Blanning, 58). Blanning is the only source Iā€™ve seen dispute this due to this news coming from Seckendorf, who didnā€™t reveal how he came about this information; that Fritz and Madame von Wreechā€™s correspondence doesnā€™t indicate a physical relationship; and on the fact that she was not pregnant. I havenā€™t been able to find the birth dates or any sort of records for Louiseā€™s two daughters to figure out where their conception couldā€™ve been in the timeline and if it matches with the likely dates for the affair, but I also donā€™t have the resources Cambridge would afford Blanning. Either way, while the physical nature of the affair is in dispute, the emotional aspect certainly was there. Especially when taking into consideration the fact that sheā€™s the woman Fritz was likely referring to in the 16 August 1737 letter to Voltaire where he claimed she had taught him how to love (and also inspired him to write poetry, which we shouldnā€™t be thankful for). Specifically, all these years later, he stated how ā€˜this little miracle of nature possessed every possible charm, together with good taste and delicacy. She sought to transfer these qualities to me. I succeeded well in love but poorly in poetry. Since that time I have very often been in love and have always been a poetā€™ (Fritzā€™s Oeuvres, vol. 21, 96).
All this to say, thereā€™s a bit too much evidence of some degree of opposite-gender attraction in Fritz to completely write off the possibility that he couldā€™ve been bisexual. While itā€™s undeniable he held a preference for men and thatā€™s whose company he typically enjoyed, I still do find it interesting the two exceptions (one potential and the other with a fair degree of certainty) to this. And, while I would never want his attraction to men be minimized in favor of that to women, it still remains important to note to get the most comprehensive picture of the man.
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aster-ion Ā· 3 years ago
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Sylvie x Loki Might Not Happen and Hereā€™s Why
***SPOILERS FOR LOKI TV SHOW***
1.Ā  They are basically siblings
Even though they have different personalities, backstories, and physical appearances, that doesn't change the fact that they are the genetic equivalent of siblings. No matter what Timeline you're looking at, both Sylvie and Loki are the offspring of Laufey and whoever he had children with. We know this because they are Variants of the exact same person, meaning that if either of them were born to someone other than Laufey, they would have been pruned as a baby. And since they weren't, that means they must be just as genetically similar as siblings are.
Because of this, the idea of Sylvie and Loki engaging in any kind of romantic or sexual relationship is extremely disturbing to a lot of fans. It's too big an oversight to brush past, especially when the show has continued to remind us over and over that they are, in fact, both Lokis. Maybe if them being the same person wasn't such a major plot point, it would be easier to ignore the facts, but it is, and that means that Marvel is basically pushing either an incest or selfcest (depending on how you look at it) type relationship. And thatā€™s extremely risque for a corporation as large as Marvel, especially with a character as beloved by fans as Loki.Ā 
2.Ā  It is terrible LGBTQ+ representation
And before anyone says anything, no, it is not because Sylvie is portrayed as female and Loki as male. I've seen a lot of Sylvie x Loki shippers say that the reason people don't like the couple is due to it being one between a male and female, but that's not true. Loki and Sylvie were both confirmed to be bisexual, meaning that they can engage in a relationship with anyone of any gender. It would be completely valid for either of them to pursue romance with someone of a different sex and still be bisexual. No one is arguing against that, and if they are, I definitely do not agree with them.
However, the problem comes in when you take into account Marvel and Disney's (who owns Marvel) long history of queerbaiting. There have been countless times that Disney advertises their "first gay character!" only for it to be a single line of dialogue or a brief shot. Marvel in particular has used the popularity of certain LGBTQ+ ships and headcanons in their fanbase to generate media popularity that they don't actually follow through with in their movies/shows. So when Loki was confirmed to be both genderfluid and bisexual in Episode Three, lots of people felt like they were finally getting a win for representation.Ā 
But those people, myself included, appear to have been let down again. The first two official queer characters had so much potential to go off and be with anyone they wanted, but instead, the show has set them up to be in a romance with each other. Now, this wouldn't be problematic on it's own, but when you take into consideration the questionable nature of their romance from Point One as well as the fact that the show has explicitly referred to it as "twisted," it raises the question of whether or not this is actually good representation. Because the fact is, in one episode the writers went ā€œlook, itā€™s two queer people!ā€ and in the next, they said ā€œtheir relationship is disgusting and demented.ā€ Marvelā€™s first bisexual characters being borderline incestuous/selfcestuous does not sit well with me at all.
All of this is made even more confusing when you take into account the background of the Loki crew, most notably, the director Kate Herron. She also directed the Netflix series Sex Education, which has quite a bit of very well done representation of all kinds. So how is she managing to fail so badly on this project? It makes me wonder whether she truly is just losing her touch or if this is all a misdirection. Personally, I'm hoping for the latter.
3.Ā  It does not send the "self love" message people seem to think it does
The writers, director, and cast of Loki have said multiple times that the relationship between Sylvie and Loki is meant to act as a metaphor for self love. And in a way, that makes a lot of sense. Despite creating different identities for themselves over time, they are still ultimately the same person and therefore share a special bond because of it. And there's a lot of potential that can be done with that concept.
Loki is an extremely complex and intriguing character. He has experienced a lot of trauma in his past that has shaped him into the person he is today. And that person is clearly very broken. He has never given away or received any kind of love, with the exception of his mother and possibly his brother, Thor. Other than that, he's had no healthy friendships, romances, or perception of himself. It makes sense for him to be confused by this pull he feels towards Sylvie, who is both alarmingly alike and vastly different from himself.
Something this series does exceptionally well is breaking Loki out of his comfort zone. He is finally forced to see himself from other people's perspectives. It started with the file Mobius showed him in the first episode. Loki was able to view his actions apart from himself, and was hit with the realisation that he had been hurting people, and he didn't like that.Ā 
Loki is also confronted by the existence of the Time Keepers and the TVA, who describe him as an antagonist and nothing more. To them, his role is to make those around him look better, even if that means he repeatedly gets the short end of the stick. Mobius mentions that he disagrees with this and that Loki "can be whoever and whatever he wants, even someone good," adding another layer of depth as to who Loki could be in the future of the series.Ā 
Another huge moment for Loki's character development is while in the Time Loop Prison with Sif. Though he starts out annoyed with the situation and recalls not feeling apologetic when he cut off Sif's hair, the longer he is in the loop, the more he changes. Loki admits things to himself that we have never seen him say aloud, such as the fact that he is a narcissist that craves attention. Sif telling Loki over and over that he deserves to be alone makes Loki question whether or not he believes that to be true, allowing him an introspective moment where he really has to think about who he is.Ā 
Now with all of that being said, I'd like to tie in why this is important to the writing of Loki and Sylvie. They act as a mirror to one another, representing both the flaws and strengths of "what makes a Loki a Loki." For once, Loki gets an honest, unbiased look at himself without layers of expectations or self doubt. On Lamentis, he calls Sylvie "amazing" and praises her for all her accomplishments. That's a huge moment for him because it shows that despite also finding her irritating, he can look past those traits and see someone worth being a hero underneath. And through that realisation, he begins to understand that he can also grow to love himself. That kind of character development for Loki is incredible to watch, and it's the kind of character development I want to see from this series. Unfortunately, them possibly engaging in a romantic relationship will ruin it.
Whenever I'm feeling insecure about myself and my abilities, the solution has never been to look at who I am through a romantic lens. Self love is an entirely different type of love from romantic love, so if the series tries to push this relationship as a romance, it will fail to truly represent the arc that they are trying to show.
4.Ā  Nobody likes itĀ 
This one's a little on the nose, but it's true. Almost no one likes this ship, and more than that, most people actively hate it. Yes, there is a small minority that like Loki and Sylvie together, but there is an overwhelmingly larger group that is disgusted and angry by the fact that the show paired them up.
After Episode 4 aired, I ranted for about an hour and a half with a friend about how much we didn't want them together. My aunt whom I have never texted reached out to me to say that she hated their relationship. My homophobic neighbour came over and told me that she would prefer any other romance to this. Friends that I haven't talked to much since school let out for summer have all agreed that they collectively dislike Loki x Sylvie. This ship has brought people together purely because everyone hates it more than they hate each other.
There is no denying that the general feedback for Loki and Sylvie being a couple has been negative, even if you support them getting together for some reason. So if there are so many people out there who don't like it, I'm confused as to how it would be approved by a team of professionals.
5.Ā  The contradicting information we have gotten so far
Before the release of Episode Four, Kate Herron said that the relationship between Loki and Sylvie was ā€œnot necessarily romantic.ā€ During the interview, she continued to refer to them as friends and people who found solace and trust in each other.
However, after Episode Four, the head writer, Michael Waldron, and other members of the crew spoke up about Sylvie and Loki. They said things like ā€œit just felt right that that would be Lokiā€™s first real love storyā€ and ā€œthese are two beings of pure chaos that are the same person falling in love with one another.ā€ These kinds of comments very heavily imply something romantic, directly contradicting what Kate Herron said. Even Tom Hiddleston, the actor for Loki, has assessed the situation, highlighting the differing viewpoints. Heā€™s also said before that the end of Episode Four ultimately has Loki getting in his own way.Ā 
Now, this could all just be a misdirection on either side to build suspense for the show, but as of right now, it is entirely unclear who is telling the truth. Though it is more likely that the statements made by Michael Waldron are more accurate (as he is the writer), there is still a slight possibility that Loki x Sylvie wonā€™t happen. Iā€™ll link the articles Iā€™ve found on this topic below so you can read them and decide for yourself.Ā 
Kate Herron Statement - https://www.cbr.com/loki-sylvie-relationship-not-romantic/Ā 
Michael Waldron Statement - https://www.marvel.com/articles/tv-shows/loki-sylvie-in-loveĀ 
Tom Hiddleston Statement - https://thedirect.com/article/loki-tom-hiddleston-sylvie-romanceĀ 
6.Ā  It is still salvageable
The odds are not in our favour, Iā€™m afraid. It is highly probable that the show will put Loki and Sylvie in a romantic relationship with each other. Yet there is still a way to salvage it and turn their bond into something incredibly satisfying. Like I mentioned in Point Three, the relationship between Loki and Sylvie has the potential to be incredibly empowering and provide both characters some much-needed growth. And I believe that while unlikely, it can still do that.Ā 
The only mention of them being romantically interested in each other came from Mobius, who at the time was angry, betrayed, and doing anything he could to get Loki to talk. Then, at the end of the episode, right before Loki is about to confess something important to Sylvie, he is pruned. This results in no explicit confirmation from either Loki or Sylvie that they are in love with each other. The audience is left not knowing whether Mobius was correct in his speculations, and honestly, I donā€™t think Loki knows either.
Loki is no expert on love, as I explained earlier. It is entirely possible that he doesnā€™t grasp how he feels about Sylvie and defaults to romance because of what Mobius said. There is undoubtedly some sort of deep bond forming between them, and I would love to see that being explored in the next two episodes. I would love to watch Lokiā€™s journey of realising that he doesnā€™t want anything romantic with Sylvie, and was simply confused by the new things he was feeling towards her. Loki even says ā€œthis is new for meā€ when talking to Sylvie at the end of Episode Four. Him momentarily believing that he wants to be a couple with her then shifting into them becoming friends who help each other grow is still a reality that could happen. And ultimately, I think that would benefit them both as characters as well as strengthen the overall message of the show.
In a show about self love, acceptance of yourself, and figuring out who you want to be, Loki very much needs people who support him. He has that in Mobius already, and now heā€™s beginning to have it in Sylvie as well. I just hope that it is done in a way that resonates with the audience and subverts expectations, which just cannot be done through some twisted romantic relationship. Iā€™ve spoken to others watching the show and seen people talking online, and everyone seems to agree that Loki and Sylvie work much better as platonic soulmates or found family than a couple.Ā 
Of course, my hopes arenā€™t that high up. While Iā€™d love for this to happen, Iā€™ve been let down by Marvel before and wouldnā€™t be surprised if they went for the easy route of pairing characters up rather than dealing with the emotions correctly. Still, I have hope for this series. Everything else about it is wonderful and perfect in every way. It has the potential to become a masterpiece and easily the best thing that Marvel has ever done. However, this romance would ruin it for me and so many others. We already feel incredibly disappointed by Loki x Sylvie being suggested, so I canā€™t even begin to fathom how people will react if the show makes it canon. Iā€™m begging Marvel to please do better than this. They have a wonderful story to tell and a wonderful team to do it, and I hope from the bottom of my heart that they donā€™t throw that away.Ā 
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therewrites Ā· 4 years ago
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We Are Who We Are Overall Thoughts *spoilers*
This review will be discussing briefly some of the episodes so far, so SPOILERS
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So I started watching the HBO original series, We Are Who We Are, and I am conflicted. When I initially watched it, the dialogue made it hard for me to enjoy it so I stopped. Then after a couple of weeks after its airing, I thought, what the hell? And this time, I was pleasantly surprised. I always maintain the belief that pilot episodes are either boring, messy, or just bad so I try to push past it in order to get to the good shit. The pilot for We Are Who We Are was...Iā€™m not sure how to explain...different? It certainly wasnā€™t bad and it made an impression on me, but this show as a whole is hard to limit by just a few words. Itā€™s really something that you should watch and experience yourself.
It was only after the first 3 episodes that I began to understand the tone and mood that Luca Guadagnino was trying to convey. A lot of the time, the dialogue is abrupt and choppy and can make no sense. It can be frustrating, especially when you have two characters that arenā€™t communicating effectively. But I think that was the point. Guadagnino is a very realistic director, he captures the most realistic elements in a film. A lot of the conversations between characters is meant to emulate real life. Like, what the hell do you say when a conversation becomes awkward? Well, nothing sometimes.
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While Guadagninoā€™s typical cinematography may suggest whimsy, inĀ WAWWAā€™s case the small structured and synthetic model of the military base is juxtaposed to the very concrete characters. When I started to view the show less as simply a televised airing of fictional characters and problems, and instead looked at them as people, I began to really enjoy it.Ā 
Take the main character of Fraser, played by Jack Dylan Grazer. Fraser is meant to be seen as an extremely complex and troubled kid, but the difference between him and every other teen in a coming-of-age drama is that he isnā€™t polished. His drinking and drug habit isnā€™t framed as romantic or beautiful, in fact most of the time itā€™s portrayed as his weakness of sorts. In the first episode, Fraser has one of his mothers drive him home after getting pretty wasted and Luca graces us with a direct shot of him throwing up. And before that, Fraser is stumbling on a bridge when he drunkenly falls and cuts his face.Ā Everything the character does is messy, uncoordinated, yet extremely real and relatable. Hell, in one shot you can clearly see him do a Naruto run!
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Caitlin/Harper is a character that I enjoyed watching, as well. Jordan Seamon did a fantastic job and I really connected with their character. Initially we see Caitlin as this mysterious girl, and in the pilot we are meant to assume that their relationship with Fraser is supposed to develop into a romantic one. This is not the case as it seems that Caitlin is trying to come to terms with who they are. The biggest shift in Caitlinā€™s character isnā€™t their friendship with Fraser but probably when they get their period.Ā 
This was a moment that even I related to, even though I am cis when I first got my period I didnā€™t tell my mom until the day after. The possible confusion and shift in their reality that Caitlin felt was only heightened with the conflict of their boyfriend wanting to be more physically intimate, and Fraserā€™s eventual discover of Harper. I would have like to see exactly why Fraser seemed drawn to Caitlin. Iā€™m assuming viewers were supposed to think that Fraser is attracted to her, or something. But both Caitlin/Harper and Fraser are queer coded and their respective sexualities are alluded to not being straight. It wouldā€™ve made their standing as platonic friends more clear if this had been established stronger.Ā 
I definitely think the writer could have devoted more time to giving certain characters proper conversations. It wouldā€™ve given more development to certain characters and better context for things. However even without that, there is a lot that the audience is showed that canā€™t be told through dialogue. The power struggle between Sarah and Richard being one. So far, there hasnā€™t been any explanation as to why they have a such a volatile relationship other than Richard being a homophobe.Ā 
Through deeper inspection, I was able to interpret it as: Richard may heavily resent the fact the Sarah was promoted to Colonel and not him. It is never made clear who has the better credentials, Sarah or Richard, but assuming that she was the one promoted it is a safe guess. This may be highlighted by the fact that Sarah is a women, and also gay. Even before episode 7, it was clear that Richard did not respect her authority. I also interpreted it as Richard being upset that and openly gay women was promoted instead of him, a black man.Ā 
Of course this is just based on my own personal knowledge of how the U.S. military can be towards people of color and LGBTQ+. Regardless, the competitive tension between two parents is palpable without needing dialogue to explain.Ā Ā 
When conflict happens, I can kind of figure out which characters are going to react and which oneā€™s will stay silent. I think the show is trying to accomplish a drastically realistic and raw series. It took me while to adjust to it, but by maybe the 2nd or 3rd episode, it starts to grow on you. Despite not liking a good majority of the characters, I was very surprised by how invested I was in them.Ā 
Like, Danny is my least favorite character because he displays very abusive and explosive tendencies, and doesnā€™t seem to care about the world around him. However, getting glimpses into his character and seeing how Richard ignores him for Caitlin/Harper, his suicidal thoughts, and how he is trying to reclaim his cultural and religious background makes me empathize with him.Ā 
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Even though I hate his character, I can see that he is struggling. I appreciate the way that this show freely shows dark skinned black boys dealing with mental health issues, and personal development. Rarely are issues like suicide talked about in the black community, so seeing Danny talk about it and Craig offering(admittedly poor)comfort was touching.Ā This is a general vibe that I get from nearly all the characters on WAWWA. I also appreciated the how Danny is actively trying to convert to Islam. In shows, rarely is Islam ever portrayed in a positive manner. Especially when female characters are shown to be struggling with their religion, Islam is shown as this barrier that prevents them from living life. Hopefully it goes without saying that theĀ ā€œtaking off the hijabā€ as a way to show that a female character is ā€œliberatedā€ is overplayed and does not offer any respect to the countless Muslim women who choose to wear hijabs.Ā 
Now I think the pacing of some of the storylines could have been handled a bit more gracefully. Like how we jump from Fraser and Harper being kind of enemies(not really but you know what I mean), to just them hanging out in Richardā€™s boat was jarring. I would have at least liked to see the scene of them talking on the rocks at the beach. It wouldā€™ve given more insight on Caitlin/Harperā€™s character and also on Fraser too. Also how quickly Maggie and Lu(Jennifer but I love the name Lubaba, itā€™s my auntā€™s name)jump into a physical affair. I just would have liked to see a build up of tension between all these characters but I donā€™t think this entirely ruins the plot.Ā 
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I was very iffy when I learned that the show would be focusing on trans identity and gender and sexuality, but not actually hire a trans male actor. I was afraid that the show would completely botch the experiences of being transgender, and honestly I donā€™t have the authority to speak on whether or not this affects the quality of the show. I am cisgender, and only can empathize with this particular situation as much as I can. But I would like to hear to the opinion of someone who is trans and elaborate on the ways that they did/didnā€™t like Jordan Kristine SeamĆ³nā€™s portrayal.Ā 
Now at the time Iā€™m writing this, the season finale has yet to come out. But Iā€™d also like to briefly discuss the most recent episode and how it developed Jonathan and Fraserā€™s relationship. I was VERY worried that Guadagnino was going to take their relationship in the direction of inappropriate. While nearly all the depictions of Jonathan and his actions have been trough Fraserā€™s pov, it didnā€™t stop me from side-eyeing some of the interactions they shared. Of course after it was mentioned that Jonathan was supposed to be in his late 20s, nearing 30 I was immediately uncomfortable with the very flirty behavior he exhibited.Ā 
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So when the scene of Fraser going up to his apartment after Craigā€™s death, I was very on edge. If Guadagnino had gone the extra mile to show an even larger age gap then I wouldā€™ve been pissed. While I enjoyed Call Me By Your Name, the implication that sexual relationships between barely legal teenagers and adults well into their 20s was sensual is something that I see as very weird now that Iā€™m older. So seeing Jonathan as the object of Fraserā€™s affections made me extremely warry.Ā 
And honestly, Iā€™m still surprised that the scene even happened in its entirety. Iā€™m sure that Jack was not in any danger of being exploited but there were definitely points while watching I thought, what the fuck is going on? I was very worried that it would escalate, but I was happy to see that Fraser was the one who stopped it from going further.Ā  It made sense to me that this scene took so many liberties to be as graphic as possible without being too graphic, in order to show why a situation like that would be scary and confusing for Fraser. It wasnā€™t lost to me that Marta and Jonathan were the oneā€™s initiating all the sexual advances. They held all the power in that scenario, even more so because Fraser is younger and has the tendencies to not make the best decisions. Though it seemed that Fraser was trying, he knew that the situation was fucked up.
Iā€™d like to hear what JDG felt and thought doing this scene. What was his characterā€™s thought process?
Iā€™ve seen a lot of people compare the show heavily to CMBYN, which is fine. Besides certain cinematic parallels that people pointed out, I donā€™t see the clear comparison. CMBYN is more of a love story and itā€™s more polished than WAWWA. Now when I say tat, I donā€™t mean it as a negative.Ā Rather, We Are Who We is obviously more devoted to realism and its characters. I appreciate the inclusion of more LGBTQ+ people and black main characters with development, something that CMBYN lacked. And for some people who didnā€™t like the show based solely on the fact that it wasnā€™t a CMBYN tv show, I suggest just going into it with no expectations and enjoy the mess.Ā 
And Iā€™d also like to take a moment to commend Jack Dylan Grazer for his job in We Are Who We Are. All of the main cast are amazing actors and actresses and did a really good job bringing their characters to life. Though, I had always associated JDG with supporting roles that, while highlighted his acting talent, only put him in a one-dimensional light. As good as It 2017 was, JDGā€™s role of Eddie is only meant to be seen as a comic relief. In WAWWA, I was able to forget that he was teen actor, Jack Dylan Grazer, and really see him as Fraser. Itā€™s worth mentioning that in a GQ interview, Grazer also mentioned how this role made him reevaluate is approach to acting.Ā 
And after reading an interview he did with a Interview Germany, with him saying he spent months in Italy reading the script and trying to perfectly craft this character, I was immensely impressed. I hope that he knows that all his hard work payed off and made a really dynamic and interesting character. I really hope that in the future JDG continues with more mature or multi-dimensional roles because he displayed that he has the talent to do so. Him being so young makes me optimistic in knowing that he is definitely going places in his career. I also hope that there will be a season 2 of WAWWA because despite having hour long episodes, the show still felt way too short. There is a lot about Fraserā€™s character, and all the othersā€™ characters, that I want more information and analysis on.
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howling-harpy Ā· 4 years ago
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Outsider POV fic: Spiers coming to easy and realizing that half of the company is queer but trying to hide it from him for fear that he is gonna kill them or something (if he were to low-key come out to put them at ease I would consider naming my firstborn after you) I love you and you work ā¤ļøā¤ļø
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A/N: Lmao what a prompt! This speaks to my silly side. Thank you for the prompt and reading my stuff. <3
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On the contrary to popular belief, Ron Speirs had excellent social skills. He wasnā€™t exactly what youā€™d call friendly, but he was quick to figure other people out and often used this to his advantage, and this was exactly what worried certain soldiers of Easy when he took command.
Sure, he was competent and they were glad to have him ā€“ professionally speaking. But as soon as he took command, he started evaluating his new subordinates with sharp, all-seeing eyes, and the experience was unnerving to say the least. There was no telling what he might do.
Harry just couldnā€™t make his mind about Speirs. He didnā€™t dislike him, he didnā€™t like him, and nothing in between fit either, solely because he couldnā€™t get a grasp of the man. He wasnā€™t the rule-abiding kind like Winters, but somehow managed to be less fun, and he was temperamental but not up to a play fight or a rousing conversation. Most often his face was blank, a cold mask that Harry couldnā€™t read, and sometimes he broke into a grin that somehow didnā€™t help the matter.
Most importantly, Harry couldnā€™t decide if the man was to be trusted or not. Harry was the kind who would take a bullet for his friends and take their secrets to the grave, but as much as Speirs was now a part of their group, Harry couldnā€™t tell if he would follow his lead on that one.
The thing was, Harry wasnā€™t sure if Nix and Dick knew that he knew. They certainly hadnā€™t talked about it, but there was a relaxed energy between the three of them, and Harry could sense an unspoken agreement they had all somehow formed. He didnā€™t make comments or tease them about women, and Nix and Dick sat very close to each other, sometimes with their arms resting on a backrest of a couch or a chair behind the otherā€™s back, and all was well.
When Speirs joined them, Harry had to put a stop to that. He wasnā€™t sure if his friends were as careful as he felt they should be, and they certainly couldnā€™t talk about it either, so Harry found himself feigning off many close calls by jamming himself between Nix and Dick and loudly interrupting their word games when they threatened to take a flirtatious tone. Nix and Dick both gave him weird looks about it, but again, unspoken agreement, and Harry was busy staring Speirs down to really pay attention.
I dare you to try and hurt them, Harry said with his stare, but all he got back was one of those blank stares.
The legacy of Bill Guarnere lived on, and even if Martin approved of Speirs as their new commander and respected him as a combat leader, he couldnā€™t ignore the stories about him killing one of his own. Martin wasnā€™t so gullible as to believe every piece of gossip that came his way, but this one was just plausible enough to be a reason for concern.
ā€œTake care of Babe for me, will ya?ā€ had been one of the last things Guarnere had said to him before he was evacuated for good. ā€œKeep him out of trouble he canā€™t handle.ā€
In Martinā€™s opinion Bill babied his best buddy way too much, but he had to admit that Speirs was trouble barely anyone could handle, let alone a chipper red-headed Philly boy who talked way too much and wore his heart on his sleeve.
Martin didnā€™t know what to do about it. His position didnā€™t hold much influence and he couldnā€™t exactly keep the sharp gaze of their new C.O. off one of the loudest soldiers of the company, but he could put himself between them. He tried to think what Bill had always done when Babe threatened to take things too far or give himself away with his sputtering and bright blush, but all he came up were things that were way too Guarnere for him. So what Martin was left with was his own stare and herding anyone who might be Babeā€™s type away from him.
After only a few weeks Martin knew he had failed. Speirsā€™ eyes followed Babe far too long, and Martin just knew that he had figured him out. All he could do at that point was to cross his arms and meet the captainā€™s stare head on, trying to communicate that to get to the beloved charge of his friend, anyone would have to go through him first. Speirs just looked back.
After getting divorced Lipton had been strangely composed. Luz had always imagined that being abandoned like that would be an experience that stopped the world on its tracks and shattered a person, or at least hurt them for a long time.
Lipton however had shrugged it off rather easily, but Luz wrote it off as a strange form of combat stress. The man had seemed almost relieved in some way, and then entered something of a workaholic phase. When Lipton recovered from pneumonia, his mother-henning found an entirely new gear as if he was trying to make up for the few weeks he had been down.
Luz was good with people. He loved people, and in his opinion the best thing in the army was that he got to meet all sorts of people he wouldnā€™t have otherwise ever crossed paths with, and Lipton was certainly one of those he was grateful for. The man had a strange streak to him, Luz had realized when they had become close, something private and hidden that only showed itself briefly in twilight hours, and his divorce had amplified that. Luz didnā€™t have the energy to judge, doubted he even wanted to, but rather thought it interesting. The army really called all sorts.
But his dear mother hen of a friend didnā€™t look after himself much, and Speirs was the fox that had sneaked into the henhouse.
What Luz had feared the most was that someone unkind would find out about Lipton, but that had already happened. He could tell it from Speirsā€™ keen, cold eyes that inspected Lipton, following him around, and Luz was discovering whole new depths of fear. What would happen now? Military police? But there was no proof. Some sort of a vigilante punishment? Would Speirs do that? He might. There was no telling what he could do.
Luz found himself staring at Speirs filled with anxiety. He didnā€™t know what to do, how he could help his friend or how to even warn him. Luz tried to figure out some sort of a battleplan, but all he could do was frown and stare and frown some more.
One day when Easy was loading the trucks and preparing to get on the road again, Speirs looked back. Luz jumped at the sudden eye contact but held it. Speirsā€™ eyes were stern and cold, and Luz couldnā€™t begin to tell what he was thinking.
To his surprise, Speirs seemed to sigh to himself and rolled his eyes. Luz hadnā€™t recovered from his confusion when Speirs turned away and gestured to someone in the crowd, and Luz found out who when Lipton jogged to him like responding to his beckoning gesture was the best thing he did today.
Speirs patted the pockets of his jacket and pulled out a pack of cigarettes, put one between his lips and said something to Lipton that Luz couldnā€™t hear. Lipton started to go through his own pockets, and after a moment fished out a lighter from the pocket of his trousers, then leaned in to give Speirs light.
The cigarette bounced between Speirsā€™ lips and forced Lipton to concentrate harder as the flame wouldnā€™t take. Without realizing it, Lipton leaned in closer, angling his body towards Speirs and bringing his hands closer to his face.
Speirs waited while obviously teasing, then leaned closer himself and suddenly took a hold of Liptonā€™s hand to steady it. He let the flame kiss the tip of his cigarette far longer than was necessary, his eyes looking at Lipton instead of their hands, and Lipton looked back, a smile rising to his face.
The moment took place right there in broad daylight in the middle of the entire company, and then it ended. Speirs let go of Liptonā€™s hand, Lipton took a step back, and the men regarded each other from a decent distance again.
Then someone called Lipton, he jolted awake from what had entranced him, and he threw one last look at Speirs before hurrying off. Speirs took a long inhale from his cigarette, truly savoured it, then suddenly looked back at Luz who had stared at the exchange as if hypnotized.
Speirsā€™ eyes were still cold, but now Luz detected something almost bored in them. Speirs lifted the cigarette to his lips again, quirked a brow and shrugged at Luz as if saying make of that what you will.
Luz did. He sighed in relief.
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julies-butterflies Ā· 3 years ago
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I must admit, sometimes I do feel like a ye olden solider, sending letters to my beloved across the waves during wartime. Oh my dearest Lydia, I hope the kudos and comments crops have been plentiful this season. Your last letter left me weeping. Why must you put poor Reginald through such pain?
(I gotta admit, I still can't believe that I'm talking to you. I've been looking up to your work for so long...it just feels a bit surreal, even now! Glad you like hearing my ramblings! And that you liked my vampire prompt! Did not realize you'd write back when I sent that in. Look at us now, huh?)
(Speaking of prompts, I sent those jukebox and willex ones too. And I loved them both so so much, I shall scream about them more when it is not 2 am because I need sleep)
(Oh and the update of If I Was You!!! Amazing, Stellar, Incredible, Reggie, Carrie, Julie shenanigans is my new favorite thing, DID YOU JUST DOUBLE THE CHAPTER COUNT, and I'm like 90% sure Trevor is in deep trouble with a certain angry jazz ghost. Seriously loving it)
I actually do not remember what it was like to send in 1/5 asks, because I did not get a Tumblr until very reccently! I've always been a nerdy person, but Jatp is my first time being really in a fandom. You gotta do something new in quarantine, right?
Ah yes. Luke and Emily. To me, it just seems obvious that there's so much love between them. Even with all the pain. You get it. You put it down so eloquently.
As for what kind of stories I like to read...it seriously depends on my mood.
I like niche aus, passion projects. Stories where you can just feel the author's love for the world they're inventing. But I tend to lean towards cannonverse. I like ghost stories, it's what drew me to this show in the first place. And I love exploring that concept. (Being forever gone, and always the same...it's just fascinating to me)
Platonic goodness is just WONDERFUL for this show. I will read anything with cuddles. I am touched starved and these kiddos are too, and I will cry about them puppy piling every damn day. Plus there's just some much POTENTIAL for future friendships! I love ones where Flynn and Carrie get to interact with the boys as well. And 90s content, from before and after the orpheum, just hits hard.
I really wasn't expecting to get invested in the couples on this show, but something about them is moving to me. So I do love to read about them. Watching two queer kids who lived during incredibly important areas of queer history find love together after death really hit hard for me, and there's just something so bittersweet about a girl and ghost deciding to love each other for the little time they're given.
I love family dynamics too. Anything with Ray and his seven disaster children, the band and Trevor.... I think Julie and Emily is one of my favorite dynamics to explore. A girl who lost her mother and a mother who lost her son, both grieving but with one able to speak to the dead...it's just very powerful to me.
(And of course, Luke and Emily, but I figured you already knew that)
Mostly...I like seeing the messy stuff. The unexpected consequences, the baggage. I want to see the messy emotions, the grief and anger, the jealously, the disorientation. I look for those glass shards, that might be too sharp to ever be addressed on the show. Not even the big, monumental plot lines just... the harder pieces of life, the little moments that don't fit neatly into a nine episode arc.
I just want to see them live you know? Love, laughter and loss all mixed together.
(One of my all time favorite tropes is "found family gets broken apart by trauma, only to find each other again and come back stronger than ever." I feel like this explains a lot of my taste in fiction)
Thank you for the writing advice. Your words were very motivating. I am trying to begin! I got up the nerve to start working on a little piece. Who knows if it will go anywhere. But it's been nice, to finally put some words on the page.
The POTC au is so freaking good man. The character dynamics are just on FIRE. Everything is broken and messy and the relationships genuinely tug at my heartstrings. It's such a fascinating story. Highly recommend, even with the cliff hangers.
OH HOW COULD I FORGET PAWPRINTER? Man oh man I love all her work. The wheelies art and steals universe is freaking amazing, not an avacado had me in tears (of laughter, till things got surprisingly sad). And All that Remains...slow burn Willex perfection. Jedi Alex and Pilot Willie have my HEART.
I don't think I've read firefall and weneedglitter (or if I have, I'm just not connecting the names to their pieces. I don't always remember author names. it's a problem). I will go look for them though! Cannot wait!
For more recs, I recently binge read We Found Wonderland. I was not mentally prepared for the sheer amount of feelings that gave me. Highly recommend, if you ever want an emotional rollercoaster with an incredibly satisfying end.
Going on to more serious subjects...I'm sorry your family doesn't see your grief for what it is: honest. Better to feel everything quietly, than make it an easily understadnable performance. Fake grief is so easy to spot.
I think of that scene from "Forever," when Buffy breaks down and tells Dawn that she has to keep busy, because if she stops, it means Joyce is really gone. There's a lot of truth there.
On a tangent here but.. there was a very long period in my life when I was told the ways I expressed my emotions were "incorrect". And I found that sometimes, no matter how you show your emotions, you'll always be criticized. Numbness can be called disinterest, but sobbing can be called attention-seeking too. Too big, too small: that jury was impossible to please This may not apply in your situation but...it's okay to feel however you can. It's the only think you can do, really.
As I've said before, Grief is such an odd trickster.
Don't you ever get tired of missing people... This past year, I've been so weary of grief. Sometimes it can be so sharp, but it's that dull ache. That ball and chain, no longer cutting through your skin, but rubbing it raw, weighing you down.
And people don't like to talk about that part, because it's long and tiresome, but oh, is it there. I find it hard to talk about my grief, because sometimes there's just so much of it. I could drown in it, and that fear keeps me from looking to close. To incorrectly quote Jane Austin: "If I missed you a little less, I might be able to talk about it more."
(Sometimes it's faceable. But sometimes you just can't bear it. And that's okay.)
But what you wrote in that eulogy...the love is there. It's in every word you write. I cried reading that section. I feel honored once again to see some of your jagged pieces. You're sharing your heart, and there's just so much love.
In the wise words of an author I know, "Love is like the snow Reggie. It never goes away."
And don't worry, I'm always with you.
Sending Love,
-LydiaStan7845 (aka Vampire Anon)
So...that Reggie and Nicky prompt
my god
my GOD
OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD
I think it's safe to say congrats, you've officially destroyed me! I was not prepared for that at ALL. I should know better by now I guess.
I can't get over that even though they all take place in very different universe, all your stories just feel so connected! The way this talked about those headphones, which you mentioned in the first chapter of Kill Your Heroes...it's just so cool. All the characterization and backstory is just so well thought out, and it genuinely blows my mind.
I didn't think I could love Nicky Peters more. I was wrong. The way you write about him...even though you never go into exactly what happened to him after Reggie's death, you can just feel how much it's shapped him as a person. And the trauma around his father, and how he fears becoming like that, was just so beautifully written. He's just so lovable and flawed and trying so damn hard and you made my heart ache for him. Again.
You always take these genuinely crazy situations and...you just make them feel so real. I love you explore the strains such a revelation would put on Nicky's own life, it just makes everything so compellingly messy. It seriously feel like I was watching a real-life account of a family trying to deal with such a massive complication.
That porch scene had me in tears both times I read it. Reggie's just always a big brother, even though Nicky is more than twice his age now. My heart was shattered, and then you slowly mended it, piece by piece. And for absolutely no reason at all, you wouldn't happen to have a reference for the porch, would you?
Just wow. Hope you're doing well. Sending love and applause
-Vampire Anon
iā€™m not even gonna reply, but i want these documented... on my blog... for posterity.Ā  ( for any curious onlookers, iā€™m dating this anon now!! )
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livia-dovehallow Ā· 4 years ago
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Can you say what the things you liked the most of the book? And which pnes the less? For me the most would be one Thomas goes to see Alastair after Elias died like eventhough they were in bad terms he shows he cares and it is just so pure
WARNING: CHAIN OF IRON SPOILERS WARNING: THIS IS VERY LONG
You have opened a whole factory of worms, here, Anon.Ā 
Let me begin with all my top 5 favorite moments, in order of appearance.
#1 - Christopher Lightwood
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My baby, my love, my precious bean--Christopher Lightwood. He is mentioned, several times throughout COI in fact, that he is extremely kind and gentle. I love him more every single time I see his damn name in this book. Gabriel and Cecily: you created a wonderful piece of sunshine.
The only other person in the entire world I feel this way about, fictional or not, is j-hope from BTS. If you know, you know.
#2 - Blackdale/Ghostwriter
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EXCUSE ME? Not only does Jesse nonchalantly declare that he is in love with Lucie, to Lucie, but he is also a self-proclaimed SIMP.Ā ā€œ...pining away in a dusty attic...ā€ I am deceased.
#3 - Blackdale/Ghostwriter cont. + Blackthorn Siblings
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There is so much happening here on this single page that I had to physically put the book down and take a lap around my house before I could continue.
First off,Ā ā€œAs if I were your husband.ā€ JESSE BLACKTHORN. SIMP.
Second of all, Lucie you smooth criminal. Where did you learn to flirt like that? It certainly wasnā€™t your brother.Ā 
Thirdly, Jesse talking about his sister kills me every time. No matter your own opinions of Grace, seeing the way Jesse talks about her warms my heart. He genuinely loves and cares for her in a way that Tatiana never did and never will. Jesse has such a huge heart and itā€™s admirable that he never faltered in his loving way being alone with Tatiana for so many years.
Lastly, the fact that the first thing Jesse did when he realized he had come back as a ghost was to go to his little sister because he heard her crying.Ā ā€œ...[I] knew I must go to her.ā€Ā 
This whole page made me fall in love with Jesse Blackthorn more than I already was. I think Lucie is in love with him not only because he is obviously very good looking and sweet, but because her family always gave her high standards for who she gave her heart to and he meets them. Her father is utterly devoted to her mother, her uncles devoted to her aunts, and her brother always protective of her. Lucie Herondale had high standards--and Jesse had exceeded those standards.
#4 - Christopher Lightwood being Chaotic
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Need I say more?Ā 
Why does this boy have a beaker of Raum venom in his shoe?
(Personally, I like to think he is trying to create a vaccine or antidote to Raum demon poison specifically. Why, you ask? Because his mother nearly died from Raum demon poisoning. Christopher Lightwood you adorable, loving, subtly protective sweetheart.)
This passage had me rolling.
#5 - Eugenia Lightwood
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I have many thoughts about this passage that I will lay out for you now:
First off, Eugenia Lightwood is a fully trained Shadowhunter! I just knew that Gideon and Sophie would train their daughters too, regardless if they decided to pursue patrolling duties or not. With Sophieā€™s past with men and the life of Nephilim, there is no way she wouldnā€™t want her daughters to be able to defend themselves. I am ecstatic to see Eugeniaā€™s training in action.
Secondly, Eugenia is one bad bitch. August-ass ruined her and broke her heart but she still saved from from a certain death by Leviathan and then proceeded to call him a useless piece of shit.Ā 
Thirdly, of all people, Christopher being the one to say that seeing Eugenia do that wasĀ ā€œunexpectedly satisfying.ā€ Not only that, but then Thomas agreeing with him! Itā€™s not surprising to me that the whole Lightwood family does not like August-ass, but for Christopher of all people to express that outwardly was the cherry on top of this scene.
Now, on to my least favorite parts, of which I do not have any photos because why would I want to remember the parts I did not like?
#1 - Jordelia/Fairstairs Tension
Why, oh why, did this need to be a thing?Ā 
I hate love triangles with a passion. Overused. Overused. Overused.
You would think that Cassie would tire of love trianges in every single damn series. I am!
What was the point in pushing off James telling Cordelia that he was under Graceā€™s spell the whole time and professing his true love for her? I get ~suspense~ but this was wholly excessive and unnecessary. And Matthew running off with Cordelia to Paris? I loathe this. There was really no need to. What happened to Cassieā€™s teaser that this love triangle was unlike any of the others sheā€™s written? I was so hopeful that it would mean Cordelia would reject Matthew because she did not want to lead him on and was still in love with James. I am not at all excited for these three in Chain of Thorns. I am annoyed.
#2 - The Lack of Gabrily
This is definitely a very subjective dislike and it is obvious I am a devoted Gabrily stan, but come on. Why repeat, many times, that Gabriel and Cecily were temporary heads of the Institute and then NOT GIVE US ANY CONTENT ABOUT IT?
Also, correct me if I am wrong, but all those mentions of Cecily and the queen didnā€™t have a single line of dialogue in the whole book? I am angry.
[I will be rectifying this egregious wrong through fanfic, donā€™t you worry.]
#3 - Anna Lightwood
After Chain of Gold, I was pretty indifferent to Anna. Didnā€™t love her, didnā€™t hate her. She was interesting, but not my favorite.
After Chain of Iron, I wholly dislike Anna.
There was absolutely no need for Anna to be so damn nasty and rude to Ariadne (Kamala). I get that she broke Annaā€™s heart, and Anna has every right to be upset about it still, but the way she spoke to Ariadne and treated her was vile and I am not at all pleased with the way Annaā€™s character turned.
I know I will probably get some hate for this because there are a lot of Anna stans out there who defend her to the death and I am not coming for any of you! I am just really unhappy with the way Anna acted in COI and will not pretend otherwise just because she is Queer. I am Queer, too, and I do not see how that is relevant to her behavior other than the lack of LGBTQ+ acceptance in the early 1900s.
#4 - The Subtle Introduction of Gracetopher
Iā€™ve said it before and Iā€™ll say it again, I do not ship Christopher and Grace at all.
Nothing against either of them individually--obviously I love Christopher with all my heart and soul and I donā€™t mind Grace. Actually, my opinion of her has improved greatly after COI. But them together is a no-go for me.
Theyā€™re cousins. First cousins.
#5 - Cordeliaā€™s Overall Behavior
Nothing against Cordelia herself, really, but more of the way Cassie portrayed her in COI. She definitely did not act like herself at all and only tried to save face by having James repeat thatĀ ā€œDaisy is a hero. Daisy is strong.ā€ Like, okay? But where is it though?
It was better at the start of the book, but toward the end I was annoyed with her behavior. This isnā€™t like Cordelia at all. I get she mistakenly pledged loyalty to freaking Lilith, but to run of with Matthew to Paris when she is married? Whether she thinks James loves her or not, they both made promises to each other and had kept them (mostly--James is another can of worms) for like 90% of the book.
Not a fan at all of that whole situation. I really hope Cordelia is able to realize what she needs to do and does it, whether it be confess to James how she feels, release herself from Lilith, etc.
I also really want her and Lucie to be parabatai, but at this point, I donā€™t see how they would. They kept way too many secrets from each other.
Phew! Hope you enjoyed my dissertation on Chain of Iron. This sure took me a while to write out.Ā 
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pumpkinpaix Ā· 5 years ago
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Hello! and PSA
*waves* hi everyone! so uh, Iā€™ve kind of had a bit of a surge in followers recently, and I thought I would make a bit of a PSA/intro post with a bit more targeted info than my about page.
anyways, Iā€™m cyan! statistically speaking, you are probably here for one of the following reasons:
my fic
my meta
my gifs
my translation
all of the above
this is pretty much an mdzs blog on main these days, but I also rb a lot of other misc things because I have never been good at keeping my interests separate. itā€™s also my personal blog, so expect some of that? i am very all or nothing ahaha. my opinions change very quickly as I process new information, so like, something I said last week or yesterday might be different now! Iā€™ve seen several people going through some of my older posts, and Iā€™m just like oh dear, I said a lot of things six months ago that I no longer vibe with. /o\ please keep that in mind as you go diving in my blog!
i donā€™t have a BYF or DNI policy, but I reserve the right to block anyone for any reason because this is a personal blog first and foremost, and I do need to be better about setting my boundaries and curating my own online space! on that same token, you are free to follow, unfollow, block, whatever, even if weā€™re mutuals. <3
youā€™re free to come talk to me in my inbox or dms, but please be aware that thereā€™s a very high chance I will never get back to you /o\ it isnā€™t personal!! I am just very mentally ill and have many difficulties with keeping up social interactions or talking to people.
in the interest of trying to be more open about myself, my brain, and what that means for me in an online/fandom space, Iā€™m gonna do a boatload of mental health talk under the cut (or, if youā€™re looking at this on my blog proper or somewhere where the cut doesnā€™t display, it starts right after this paragraph), including mentions of self-harm/thoughts of specific self-harm etc, just so you are warned! Iā€™ve been thinking recently that itā€™s good to try and take steps towards being more open about my issues, both for my own sake and othersā€™. Itā€™s long, because one of the fun things about my mental illness is that I am hyperverbal ahahaha (if that... wasnā€™t already obvious orz)
so if youā€™ve read pfmmpd, you can kind of get a sense of what Iā€™m working with. a lot of how i wrote lwj was drawn directly from shit happening in my own brain, but like? dial that up from the specific issues that lwj had in that fic and apply it unilaterally across the board to almost anything you can think of.
I hesitate to describe my OCD as debilitating, but only because my specific cocktail of compulsions and anxieties and triggers push me to be hyperachieving and hyperfunctional. I consider myself pretty fortunate (?) in that regard. on paper, you could never tell how absolutely batshit my internal landscape is! which is very good for me practically in that I can hold down a job, keep scholarships, graduate with honors, have good prospects for my future, hold onto relationships (usually yikes) etc. but the fact of the matter is, Iā€™m like. oh boy.
to give you a peek, hereā€™s a non-exhaustive list of things that have triggered me to varying degrees of severity within the last like, week or so:
my dog
a chinese folk song
my mother reading a chinese haiku to me written by a young gay man
a chinese reader of my fic lovingly and gently giving me a history lesson on china and on mdzs while praising me
stepping on a piece of snow that didnā€™t collapse in the precise way i expected it to
writing meta
reading meta
ruminating on my triggers (honestly, I played myself)
seeing a twitter thread going around tumblr with decent information but the OP is someone who was exceedingly cruel to a good friend of mine
visiting my grandmotherā€™s grave
deciding to visit my grandmotherā€™s grave
discussing the concept of cuddling my partner whom i love and have been with for four years
self-harming (truly the height of irony, being triggered into self-harm and then getting triggered by the result of the self-harm hahahahahaha)
dropping off a package
trying to explain queer-coding to my parents
talking about stressors in my life related to covid19
having a very pleasant conversation with a person i admire
editing my translation
the fact that the ā€œcloseā€ button on my accessibility sidebar on the translation website is the wrong color
choosing between eating all the shiitake mushrooms in my soup and purposefully giving myself a bad reaction or throwing one out and wasting food
thinking about playing a fun game with my partner and a mutual friend
my mom asking me to take a photo of some tea for her
my mom asking my opinion on a photo she was photoshopping
animal crossing
writing this fucking post HAHAHAHA
like!! it goes on!! endlessly! obviously, these triggers are not simply ā€œbadā€ things. the chinese folk song and the haiku were both really beautiful and i love them! but I did spend a good amount of time curled up on my floor in the dark sobbing as i played the song on repeat. the haiku was one of the last straws that ended up with me screaming and crying and hurting myself. the snow??? like wtf the snow thing. I stepped on the snow and it felt wrong and my brain just started screaming SMASH YOUR KNEECAP. ???? (I didnā€™t, for the record, and I would never.) I love my partner very much! I love my friends very much, and my mother, and my grandmother etc. my triggers are infinite, unpredictable, and bizarre.
Iā€™m saying all of this because I want to be clear that MDZS/CQL fandom specifically triggers me on a daily basis, sometimes very very badly. this is just a fact! it is no oneā€™s fault! I have decided it is worth it for me to stay anyways. it is impossible for me to request people tag for certain things because I myself have no idea what my triggers are until I encounter them. Itā€™s like a fun mystery boss encounter! sometimes itā€™s low level and iā€™m well-equipped to handle it. other times itā€™s a one-hit KO. We just donā€™t know! there are lots of very cool content creators in this fandom that I canā€™t follow because it would make my dash that much more high stakes. the original source canon material triggers me! all the events leading up to Lotus Cove massacre? I was shaking at work for three hours after consuming it for the first time.
Meta specifically is something I know a lot of people like me for, but itā€™s 100% the most triggering activity I participate in for this fandom. like, that suibian meta post I wrote thatā€™s currently going around? Probably took me four or five hours of concentrated effort to write because I was compulsively panicking and rewriting and editing and panicking more and qualifying and editing and qualifying some more and then debating whether I should post it or not and then fighting with myself about my wording and then immediately regretting it and then every time someone commented on it (regardless of positive or negative!) my anxiety spiked. I started a reply to a response on that post and had to stop after a few minutes because I was already starting to trigger myself over it.
this is actually a pretty good outcome when it comes to meta! I recognized that I was hurting myself before I got any further, and I only spent like, five hours on it! it was good exposure therapy for me! the bad outcome is. well. bad, as you might imagine lmao.
I like writing meta. I like talking to people about it too! I like participating in fandom, I like writing, I like translating, I like all of these things. theyā€™re just also really hard for me! thereā€™s a couple meta requests sitting in my inbox right now that I want to get to, but it might take me like. a long time because of. you know! *gestures* Everything takes me a long time. that first chapter of the translation took me literally five months from beginning the project to posting a final edited version. Itā€™s just over 1k words. D8
I try really hard to be chill and kind in public and I largely think I succeed on the kind part (I hope!). If you thought I had even an ounce of chill before this, perhaps I have disabused of that notion entirely now lmao. Iā€™m not saying this for pity, but like? just so we all know what weā€™re dealing with here. I donā€™t want anyone to get hurt when I donā€™t engage with them or feel snubbed if I never reply to them. and also like, hey, if someone relates itā€™s like hooray, high fave, solidarity! weā€™re not alone in this world! or maybe this will help someone understand OCD a little better! I donā€™t know. I hope this post is a positive thing. BUT! Iā€™ve spent three hours on it already, and iā€™m definitely starting to compulsively spiral, so instead of going back and editing it over and over, Iā€™m just going to post it. thank you everyone for your understanding! I hope you enjoy your time on my blog! (*Ā“ā–½`*)
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Conclusions: Trans Activism v. Radical Feminism, a first-hand account
This is current stance after a lot of direct investigation on both radfems online and trans activists online. No group is judged based on the observations, rhetoric, or propaganda of any outside group, but from my own first-hand observations in combination with objective knowable facts such as actions known to be committed in public record by the likes of criminals or celebrities. However, the bulk of this is based on what I have seen, what I know to be true because itā€™s been done before my own eyes. While my conclusion may lack information on the more nitpicked aspects of things, I believe their overall impressions still hold true with the amount of experience Iā€™ve had. Keep in mind: this is not my only account. I have dipped into the radfem community before, each time from a different perspective, at a different time, and with open eyes ready to receive whatever I was given. The same is true of the trans community.
Trans Activism
I want to make clear that these conclusions were mainly drawn from my direct experience with the trans community from within. I am not relying on critics of the trans ideology to tell me any of this, though they often echo the same concerns and observations.
The trans community has a serious problem with misogyny, homophobia, and sex denial. They employ magical thinking and emotional pleas to justify their conclusions and commit to arguments of definition that are ultimately lacking substance. However, while lacking rational, they are abundant with emotional reasoning and can be incredibly powerful rhetorical tools in convincing others to believe them without the necessary evidence of anything claimed.
This is especially prevalent when discussing sexual biology and sexual orientation. They consider self-harm to be the fault of other people, even in adults, and use this as a manipulation tactic to make it seem as if theyā€™re being killed at higher rates than their general demographics. This plays hand in hand with the appropriation of statistics around things like racial violence or violence against sex workers to make it appear trans people, particularly white heterosexual (attracted to the opposite sex) trans women from the middle class of Amerca who arenā€™t victims of prostitution, are under much more persecution than their lived experiences actually reflects.
This has grown into a political ideology not dissimilar to a religion, but without the usual trappings we associate with a religious group. It requires blind faith in the concept of gender and the ā€œlife savingā€ virtues of expensive hormone treatments and plastic surgeries without proper regard for the risks and consequences of these procedures. Challenging the dogma or asking critical questions is considered a sin itself, even when done with excessive caution for otherā€™s feelings. Violence towards known dissenting groups is considered not just ok, but admirable. Expressions of this desire for violence against the out-group is seen as virtuous to the point that doing it too much will be taken as virtue signalling rather than a sign of deep-seeded anger issues as it would for any other situation. Self-identity is their belief system, and public shame are their tools of punishment to control those within the belief system. Due to sex denial, females suffer especially in this paradigm no matter how they identify or what presentations they choose.
However,
Radical Feminism
Once again, I want to make clear that these conclusions were mainly drawn from my direct experience with the radfem community from within. I am not relying on critics of the radical feminist ideology to tell me any of this, though they may echo similar observations.
Radical feminism, as it exists today in action and not in theories from the 1990s, has a huge problem with transphobia, homophobia, and racism. The focus has shifted almost entirely from protecting women to attacking trans women, understandable on some level but counter-productive to all but the individual ego. There is a preoccupation with what women are ā€œallowedā€ to do, rather than whether their actions and the consequences of those actions actually benefit the cause of anti-sexism. People feel entitled to be nasty, hurtful and even downright transphobic and homophobic if it means hurting their ā€œenemiesā€ somehow. Iā€™m not sure if they fail to see the big picture or have just given up on caring, but it makes all their pleas for compassion and an end to the trans communityā€™s homophobia seem pretty disingenuous.
This focus on ā€œwomen deserve more as reparationsā€, when self-applied to the individual, does nothing to combat sexism as these self serving actions often do little to stop sexism and everything to benefit the individual currently existing within a sexist system. It totally ignores the vital role women play in perpetrating sexism through the generations, from mother to daughter or sister or sister or peer to peer through an intricate web of social pressures.Its not totally ignored mind you, but it is conveniently unaddressed whenever addressing it would prevent them from acting aggressive and toxic toward someone else. However others in the community who arenā€™t personally benefitting from this at the time will notice, thus leading to endless pointless arguments as the egos clash.
This hypocrisy undermines all attempts at broadening their reach to a new generation of women. Similarly, this toxic attitude undermines all opportunity for organization and real activism which requires a certain level of tolerance and the ability to give basic respect to those you donā€™t like or agree with. All those who do not tolerate such behavior will simply assume radical feminism must be a hate movement because all they see is vitriol and toxicity, no matter how justified the perpetrator feels about it or the underlying motivators. They will not take the time to read theory because theyā€™ve already seen the practice and they have the sense to know itā€™s bad. Then when these newcomers see this bad behavior for what it is, theyā€™re belittled or deprived of their agency for their decision to turn away from your movement, called things like ā€œhandmaidensā€ and accused of being either selfishly misogynistic or plainly brainwashed, driving them ever further away. The refusal to take responsibility for your own image and the consequences of your behavior under some false impression of ideological purity justifying it only further cements this takeaway outsiders have.
The most egregious example that comes to mind is the ā€œqueersā€ issue. Radfems are adamant about queer being slur, and theyā€™re right. I myself grew up having queer flung at me by violent straight men and Iā€™m not even that old. I feel no joy in the sanitation and generalization of the term. That is not reclamation, that is erasure and appropriation of pain. Most radfems agree on this wholeheartedly. That is, until you decide to spell it ā€œkweerā€ and start flinging it at trans people who fit a particular homophobic stereotype: strange appearances, unorthodox body modifications like piercing and colored hair, unwashed, perverted to the point of being predatory, self important children who are just playing pretend to be different. All these qualities call back to the stereotype of queers, gays, and it is deeply intrenched in homophobia going back generations. And yet, while radfems would condemn the trans community for the appropriation of queer and its homophobic implications, they have no problem employing it as a slur when it suits their own toxic impulses.
Some even seem to believe that misspelling the word or being homosexual themselves absolves this. It does not. Anybody without the blinders of radfem internal rhetoric will quickly see past this nonsense. If the trans community came back and started calling radfems ā€œdiquesā€ and associating the term with severely lesbophobic stereotypes like being unwashed or too ugly to get a man or any of the other countless stereotypes around the slur ā€œdykeā€, radfems would be rightly livid. Making a point to only target straight radfems with this insult would not make it any different. But addressing these kinds of hypocritical positions has become a taboo within the radfem community, yet another spark to relight the fires of senseless infighting.
This is the worst example Iā€™ve personally seen, but it is not the only one. Thereā€™s also the tendency for radfems, desperate for others who are gender critical to connect with, to make alliances with right wing conservatives despite their racism and homophobia simply because theyā€™re also transphobic but for completely different reasons. And also a tendency to be much more forgiving of misogyny coming from these new ā€œalliesā€ that will glady destroy you too once trans people are out of the way. But I will not labor my point any further by bringing up everything all at once. Regardless, for those who harp on and on about getting to the root of the problem, the moment anyone suggests you try getting to the root of your own problems, taking accountability and making changes, all that self-righteous posturing seems to go out the window just like it does in the trans community. Youā€™ve become a reflection of what you hate in an attempt to combat it, and it will be the death of your movement if you donā€™t make a serious effort to reform these behaviors and distance yourself from those who employ these forms of rhetoric.
Itā€™s a harsh fact, but the world at large does not care what you deserve, just like sexual biology doesnā€™t care about your personal feelings about your sex. It just doesnā€™t. Thatā€™s why patriarchy exists in the first place. It is your job as a social movement to use your words and actions to convince them to care. That is what the trans community has managed to do successfully, in my opinion often for the wrong reasons but successfully nonetheless, but such things do not stroke the ego of the individual radfem and therefore simply doesnā€™t happen in an organized, ideology-wide manner. Small islands of rational stand isolated in a sea of this pointless vitriol, and alone they are hopeless against the attacks against radical feminism born from the trans community and their sex denial that leads to egregious misogyny.
Conclusion
When it comes to the underlying theory, the ideological core, I find that radical feminism has the best chance of growing to become a social movement for genuinely good change in the world, particularly for women and women-loving-women specifically. Trans ideology, in my opinion, is inherently flawed as its core tenants require faith in what one cannot prove and a rejection of science that doesnā€™t support said faith.
Trans ideology as it exists in 2020 is more akin to religion than science, and has proven its capability to do harm through its use of magical thinking and distorted points of view that constantly shift and change to make space for the core trans ideology to be ā€œcorrectā€. Core ideas such as: sex is either fake or less relevant than gender, that gender is an objective fact of the human psyche, that others failing to fix your own poor mental health are responsible for your harm or death, that transition is always a good idea if someone wants it and no gatekeeping should be performed regarding using plastic surgery to treat mental discomforts, and so on. Remove all these ideas, and the whole thing falls apart.
Meanwhile, removing the toxicity of the radfem community as it exists now will not destroy its underlying core beliefs. Its just that the current people who advertise themselves as radfems and take up that mantle do not actually follow the core ideology of their own movement when it doesnā€™t benefit them. It has been infiltrated and run amok with bad faith actors who abuse the movement for personal gain, whether they are aware of it or not. And with their combination of being excessively vocal and lacking any shame for their misdeeds, more and more are drawn into their toxic games to the point that the ones who actually speak to the spirit of the core theory get drowned out or attacked to the point none will associate with them openly. The ones who actually know the theory and practice it end up effectively shunned from a community that widely hasnā€™t even read the theory and thinks hating trans people and thinking pussy = superior makes them a radfem. And thus, by allowing this, that is what radical feminism has become in practice. No amount of appealing to that core philosophy will matter if the actual people donā€™t apply that theory properly.
So my conclusion? Radical feminism has the greatest potential for good, but it is grossly unrealized and will remain that way without radical internal changes. However, if anyone is equipped to get to the root of the problem and make a radical change it should be radfems. Or at least, the good faith radfems who arenā€™t abusing the movement, of which Iā€™m convinced have become the minority of radfems in the present day. Perhaps it is time for feminism to once again branch off, not to try returning to the 2nd wave but to set the stage for a true 4th wave as many have talked about. A 4th wave that is based on the foundations set by 2nd wave feminist thinkers, but forward thinking, self-critiquing, and not limited by the hangups of the last wave. I guess only time will tell what radfems value more: their egos in attachment to the idea of identifying as a radfem, or the effective dis-empowerment of patriarchy through organized effort at the expense of satisfying your personal vendettas against all men.
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