#music and language

[doeeyeddyke]

you know what would be fun? multilingual music exchange. english music is everywhere, someone hit me with like idk croatian opera ir algerian disco recs or something. i'll exchange for bengali music that makes me cringe a bit but might be enjoyable to someone who didn't have to grow up with it and doesn't understand it

[pencildragons]

bro i LOVE indigenous fusion music i love it when indigenous people take traditional practices and language and apply them in new cool ways i love the slow decay and decolonisation of the modern music industry

[iwritelmao]

Penelope: hey since you’re “not my kind and gentle husband” could you move that wedding bed bc I’m actually supposed to share that with my husband so…

Odysseus: *has just killed 108 people* *has not seen his wife in twenty years* *goes batshit at this bc THATS THE OLIVE TREE WHERE THEY FIRST MET!!*

Telemachus: oh hell nah, idgaf who you are no one yells at my-

Penelope: NO?! YOU WONT?! YEAH, I KNOW BECAUSE YOURE MY MAN! SO DONT PULL THAT EMO SHIT AGAIN OR YOULL SLEEP IN THE WEAPONS ROOM

…

Telemachus: my parents are perfect for each other

[liesandnights]

My version of flirting is looking at someone I find attractive multiple times and hoping they're braver than me.

[boltlightning]

do allow me, will you? ➢ THE SOUND OF MUSIC (1965)

[soul-from-another-era]

Sharing music is a huge love language for me 🤍.

[incognitopolls]

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[witless-winion1]

“Father?”

Obviously, the first time Odysseus heard his son say that in ICHBW, he thinks it’s the sweetest sound he’s heard yet in this world. He treasures being called father of Telemachus, and more so from his son’s own lips.

As he settles back into home, however, he slowly starts to mourn what his son calls him. Penelope tells him Telemachus used to call her mommy, then Mom. He still calls her Mom. And he’s Father.

He tries to scold himself, to be thankful that his son is comfortable with him; they’re growing closer, Odysseus is showing his son how to carve and talking about his many adventures in the 20 years away from home (the least traumatic ones, anyway), and Telemachus is talking to him about Ithaca and how training with Athena is going, etc etc., but he’s always Father.

and he mourns that he missed the younger years where he would have been called daddy and Dad. He wants to be a Dad, not a Father.

He’s minding his business around the castle, thinking about whether Athena would like a carved mask or patch for her scarred eye as a gift, when he hears his son’s now familiar, memorized voice call him.

“Hey, Dad!”

He turns his head to see Telemachus, smiling (albeit a bit nervously) and waving for him to come over, pointing out at a bright pair of birds that are building a nest together. (Penelope definitely didn’t tell him that she’d heard Odysseus making miniature puppy eyes every time he called her Mom and Odysseus Father. Of course not.)

Telemachus nearly panics when Odysseus starts crying, figuring that he had some sort of trauma connected to birds (let’s be honest, what doesn’t he have PTSD with), and Odysseus just gives him a big ol bear hug, sniffling and muttering that he loves him.

Telemachus never calls him Father again.

[jay-birds-fly]

A candid image of me cleverly tricking my unsuspecting friends into sharing an interest with me so I have someone to infodump to

[murmuringbug]

Every single frame of this show could be put in a museum

[thesevenstarfoxes]

"Odysseus could have raised Astyanax as his own son! He shouldn't have killed him! Zeus is just an idiot who doesn't understand anything about children!"

Imagine you are Astyanx. Imagine that one day, you discover that your father, the man you thought was your father, is actually the murderer of your real father, who stole you from your cradle. Imagine that for years, you see your father lying to everyone, but the thought never crossed your mind that he might be lying to you. How do you know he didn't take you to ensure Troy would have no heir to the crown? That he took you to one day make you a puppet king in Troy for him? He's such a good liar, how do you know he wasn't lying when he looked you in the eye and said, "I love you, my son."

You know that your father—no, he's not your father, never was—did terrible things, but it never crossed your mind that you were one of the terrible things he did. You are a Trojan prince. You are Hector's son. You are not a little orphan from the battlefield that Odysseus took pity on. Odysseus destroyed your city. Odysseus lied to you. Odysseus has manipulated you. And Odysseus will PAY.

So many Greek tragedies tell about exactly this - about the attempt to prevent a tragedy, and about how the attempt failed, just as the gods and prophets had warned. If Astyanax had stayed alive, he would have murdered Odysseus' family no matter what Odysseus did, because that's how Greek tragedies work.

and yes, zeus suck.

[starsintheendlessnight]

I hate when people say "Eurylochus was surely going to cheat on Ctimene bc he betrayed Odysseus" and "Eurylochus would be alive if he had been more devoted to Ctimene"

Not only bc they are throwing shit at Eurylochus but they are indirectly throwing shit at Odysseus

Eurylochus killing the cow (from my point of view) was an act of passive suicide and Odysseus was going to commit suicide in the wisdom saga both were pushed to the limit, that means that the two were not devoted enough to their wives? OBVIOUSLY NOT

Eurylochus did not trust Odysseus and Odysseus did not trust Eurylochus and that does not mean that they are not faithful to their wives, They were in COMPLICATED situations, it was difficult to trust each other. Both are two sides of the same coin, honestly throwing shit at one is throwing shit at the other indirectly

Obviously all the shit goes to Eurylochus bc aja en este fandom odiamos a los negros (/s /hj) but it drives me crazy how they are throwing shit at Odysseus indirectly

[esyson]

i really think learning languages is like. good for your soul. net positive.

[orineineris]

Thinking about Odysseus and how his character is interpreted and seen throughout history. How in every culture and time period he seems to change and transform based on cultural opinions. How for Homer he was a hero that suffered much, how in most of Euripides' plays he's a bad guy, and for some Roman authors he was horrible, his worse qualities heightened. And then there's the modern reception, where some of his worse traits are completely removed to make him more palatable to a modern audience that is not very familiar with the myths.

Think about epic the musical, how at first he is merciful and then changes. In the Odyssey he's totally different, he's ruthless since the beginning. The total switch in the perception of his character is truly fascinating! In fanon he's funny, he's a silly little guy, he's a little bastard and we love him for that. In canon he's a war criminal that damned an entire city for the riches, for the glory, for the wish of coming back home to his family.

I'm not here to criticize modern takes of him ( I reserve the blorbo tratement for him too), I just find it truly interesting how much he has changed in the eyes of the audience, how much he's still relevant after the Bronze Age. There's not just one Odysseus and he's not simply a soldier that wanted kleos, he's not simply a man that suffered much, he's not simply a man that just wanted to go home. He's all of these things and a lot more.

He's the man of many twistes and turns indeed.

[scribefindegil]

As much as I adore conlangs, I really like how the Imperial Radch books handle language. The book is entirely in English but you're constantly aware that you're reading a "translation," both of the Radchaai language Breq speaks as default, and also the various other languages she encounters. We don't hear the words but we hear her fretting about terms of address (the beloathed gendering on Nilt) and concepts that do or don't translate (Awn switching out of Radchaai when she needs a language where "citizen," "civilized," and "Radchaai person" aren't all the same word) and noting people's registers and accents. The snatches of lyrics we hear don't scan or rhyme--even, and this is what sells it to me, the real-world songs with English lyrics, which get the same "literal translation" style as everything else--because we aren't hearing the actual words, we're hearing Breq's understanding of what they mean. I think it's a cool way to acknowledge linguistic complexity and some of the difficulties of multilingual/multicultural communication, which of course becomes a larger theme when we get to the plot with the Presgar Translators.