#morally gray tim drake

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[cr1mson5returns]

Listen to me. Listen to me. Tim deserves to be 19 and thriving and making it everyone else's problem.

He's not been Robin since he was 17 and maybe the Red Robin series happened here, maybe it didn't, but either way it hardly matters now. He's not angry about it anymore but it's an inside joke between all the kids for reasons that Bruce doesn't understand (and probably won't ask about). He grew his hair out long enough that he can tie it back in a messy bun or a half ponytail, and he's gotten at least one tattoo to cover a more conspicuous scar he couldn't explain away easily to the press. He got his GED and he's taking college classes in an artsy major specifically because it pisses off the stuffy old men at Wayne Enterprises. Paparazzi have snapped at least two dozen photos of him skateboarding through downtown Gotham in a Givenchy sweater over ratty-ass jeans and heavy combat boots. Clips of him being a complete fucking gremlin at a public event have become standard meme templates. He's Lex Luthor's second most important nemesis purely because he's bratty and annoying and clowns on the guy on socials all the time. He's rabid. He's ungovernable. He's so endearing because of it.

[sparkoflena]

"I keep bouncing between Peter Parker and Tim Drake fanfiction, which is basically like reading the same character in different fonts." - And other random statements said to me with the most serious facial expression

[ryoalouette]

Here's a different idea for a change:

Y'all know X character in fandom A died and reincarnated as Y character in fandom B?

... I kinda wanna see Tim Drake died and reincarnated (or having his consciousness cloned and that one's reincarnated instead coz the mess that is DC) as Midoriya Izuku from BnHA.

[cr1mson5returns]

Ohhhhhh okay but I see the vision here

It's established in the Red Robin series that the various members of the Council of Spiders are from different parts of the world, all with some spider-themed identity or MO and many involving poison/venom. In keeping with Tim's established character arc in RR 1-12 as a detective archetype, I could see this version of him having minimal combat training to speak of but being very heavy on detective skills and their many criminal applications.

Cellar spiders are infamous for invading other spiders' webs. They shake the webs like entangled insects and when the host spider comes down to eat their prey, the cellar spider throws silk over the host and eats it. Tim, in a similar vein here, may have determined early on that the Batfamily crusade was ineffective and not worth his time. Possibly looking at a situation where Jack and Janet Drake are rendered incapable of parenting him at the very least, or potentially outright killed, much earlier than in canon. But it could also just be that Tim, in the morally gray fashion that I like for him, deduced that Batman doesn't actually reduce crime all that much and he's not very useful for impacting Gotham City outside of major Crisis events. So Tim decides to do some dirty work of his own on the side, and at least at the beginning it's to reduce crime.

As cellar spiders invade nests, Tim invades privacy. He finds out everything he can about a target. He has everything he could need and then some on them. He could doxx them, sure, but he'd rather forge some signatures and trigger a hostile takeover of their business enterprises. He'd rather move all their funds from offshore accounts into their enemies' pockets and sell off their stocks. He'd rather collect photographs of their paramours and offer handsome protection deals in exchange for very embarrassing and humiliating tales of their exploits. Tim is worse than the fly on the wall. He's the cellar spider in the nest and nobody ever knows he's there until it's too late.

The Wanderer doesn't track him down. Tim reaches out to her. He knows as much about her as he's able to find. He's very interested in this League of Assassins deal she's got going on. He wants in.

"Red Hood!Tim" this and "Red Hood!Tim" that–

WHAT ABOUT COUNCIL OF SPIDERS!TIM, HUH !?!? YOU EVER THINK ABOUT THAT ?!?!?!? I HAVE SO MANY THOUGHTS ABOUT HIM I CAN'T SLEEP !!!

I might not have a solid origin story, but bat-eating and bird-eating spiders are real, he'd totally eat that concept, there's not enough good evil tims after LoA!Tim and JJ!Tim on here, and he would absolutely devour a spider-themed villain moment >:((

[eggfriedricedwasian]

Give me psychopathic killer Tim Drake in which Gotham and several other super hero infested cities all gain a new serial killer they have dubbed as "Smiler".

Why? Simple, when the killer leaves the crime scene, the body is totally and entirely mutilated, skin grafts made and missing, organs and bones missing here and there and it's no specifically chosen ones either, the rest of the organs and bones are strung up in the place of murder. But the reason for the name Smiler is because the head is decapitated and left in perfect condition other than a smile cut along the face in a Joker-Jeff-The-Killer-esque way that leaves even the unscared scared.

Why would Tim do this? For fun. He's very morally gray, kids are where he cuts the line, but everyone else for no reason at all? It's fun to him. So maybe he was hit a few times in the head too many with electrocution(This can be from regular crime fighting or Joker Jr or League of Assassins you decide), he finds it fun to do all of this methodically and leave people in shambles trying to figure it out.

But how is he able to do this? He, without anyone's knowledge and for fun, got a Ph.D and Doctorates in med school to be a licensed surgeon and what not. He still regularly performs surgery, he works as a surgeon 4 days of the week and no one knows because they think he's working at WE but really it's basically all Tam, he's just there to be the face and to provide good info. He's already reformed the board so he can do whatever.

Would the hero community ever find out? Up to you. Here's how I would picture them finding out;

Some girl gets cornered the bats, then starts rambling for whatever reason about them when they're trying to help her.

"If I want understanding I'd go to Batman.

If I want empathy I'd go to Nightwing.

If I wanted a presence I'd go to Robin.

If I wanted emotional stability I'd go to Red Hood.

If I wanted support I'd go to Spoiler.

If I wanted the truth I'd go to Black Bat.

But if I wanted someone murdered, I'd go to Red Robin."

And the pieces don't make sense, because who is this woman and how does she know or why does she think Red Robin, Batman's literal in-every sense-but-blood mini-me, is a murderer? He follows Batman's moral code like a god.

But then they start looking further into his life. As CEO, they find he's not working there often, only 3 days a week, specifically for meetings. They dig deeper and find that somewhere between now and his quest for Bruce he lost his spleen and got a Ph.D and Doctorates. When confronted he said it'd be good especially for on the field when there's no one to step in and help. Experience and trust in the field is a good thing, like Harley Quinn.

Knowing that, Bruce being paranoid starts learning a bit more about surgery, and then something brings up the Smiler killings. Bruce looks at the things about the Smiler's way of killing and compares it to a surgeon. The way of opening the body, removing skin, removing the organs, no inexperienced person without a surgical background would be able to do this. They would have destroyed the organs. Or at least damaged them in someway.

Bruce starts watching Tim closely, because the time he got the license in surgery is around the time the Smiler started killing.

It was inly confirmed when one slip up gave him away. A threat.

"I will surgically remove your organs and make it seem like an organ donation."

He said that to a Justice League member after getting into a dispute with them.

That started the questions. The first one was a trick question, it was supposed to only scare Tim into confessing. But Tim wasn't scared, he knew they didn't know and he knew this was a scare tactic, he knows interrogation. Yet he still confessed. He was happy to. Smiling like a psycho and everything.

"It started as a joke. Joke? Well, practice. A small time thug, a human sex trafficker. Red Hood was gonna kill him anyways, so I thought, "why not do it myself?", you know? I had the license, the experience, I needed more of the latter though. So I just started opening him up. Removing things little by little. It was fun. The decapitation and the smile was my little thing though. The missing organs, donated to science and to people who need them. So can you really say I'm doing something completely wrong?"

The detail Tim went into caused a few to lose their stomachs.

Tim, the psycho, was enjoying this.

(This could definitely play a part in Tim becomes Damian's Joker to his Batman. I saw a post about it somewhere.)

[arandomao3user]

I hate being a Bernard Dowd fan.

I hate this loser with no comic panels.

I hate this loser who's rarely even mentioned.

I hate this dumb ahh conspiracy theorist.

I hate this guy.

Because why doesn't he have more comic panels and why isn't he and Tim a vigilante duo because that would be so cool and I can't get into it but I need Tim and Bernard to be the homosexual vigilante duo of just a normal couple who does stupid things and fights and stuff because that's what vigilantes do!

I hate him.

WHY MAKE TIM BI IF WE DON'T TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE BO STAFF AND BASEBALL BAT DUO!?!? Shut UP and let me have this.

I just wanna see Bernard smash in Joker's face with a baseball bat.

WHY IS DC MAKING HARLEY QUINN FART COMICS!? WITH OVER 30+ PAGES!?!?

I WANT a Bernard Dowd-centric comic that's about him finding out Tim is Red Robin and becoming a vigilante that becomes morally gray and Tim Drake has to have his morals challenged and they fight and break up but get back together in the rain or something I DUNNO RAIN IS COOL™ and then Tim is changed as a person and stuff. Stephanie can be there to because she's just THAT GIRL!

I'm not sorry. Where's the vigilante Bernard AU? WHERE IS IT!?

I hate being a Bernard fan.

Do I like him? Or the potential he has as a character?

Gods, I HATE HIM!

*Hangs more Bernard Dowd art up*

[betrayalandbetrayed]

Looking for good Tim Drake Centric Fics, preferably BAMF Tim or Morally Gray. Read a great fic where he takes over Ras business and rules it with ruthless efficiency.

I just love reading OP Tim right now

[rock-in-robins]

Young Just Us AU (or not depends tbh) of a yj that are more morally gray than their typically portrayed as. If they didn't kill canon they don't kill here, but pretty much everything else? well, if it gets the job done. Here the yj is kinda like how they were in the show, an off the books 'black ops' type of team, but with way less supervision.

They have little to no relationship with the league after realizing how badly they failed them as kids. The only they keep in contact with each other is that they both know yj knows too much and is too powerful to be in that complete gray area.

With everyone else mostly retired it's the core four (but others come help if their in town), and their known as a powerhouse team who is scarily good at what they do. They've got three major powerhouses and a world class strategist, all of who have some very impressive feats under their belts.

Their funded by Tim who is still CEO/Majority shareholder of WE, though he's starting to get involved with Drake Industries, he's in the odd place of partner/son/colleague place with Bruce that he can never quite escape. But after the timestream/eurotrip thing he's ready to take the next step forward, without batman.

Kon and Clark have reached a point where they understand each other, but for both interacting is just painful all round. so they aren't super close but will always come if the other calls, both say they'll try harder in a year or two, who knows if they ever will. kon doesn't know how to forgive clark for their earlier relationship, that, he is working on.

Cassie and Diana are still great but Cassie can't forgive the way the league has treated her people, especially as their leader. so she works/trains with Diana but want's nothing to do with the rest of the league.

For Bart, he and Wally have some cain and able shit going on so post max's death they still interact on occasion but thats about it. all parties are doing their own thing and everyone is ok with that.

this entire au is YJ becoming more independant and kicking ass and finding a bunch of loners they mentor/adopt

[ruestheday]

Please expand on your Steph AUs??? I want to know everything????? From reading just those excerpts on that one post I already love your writing and I don’t even know anything about supernatural (we’re in this together Steph, Idk who Dean Winchester either) but I WILL read a crossover fic you write about it

i would love to!!!

this will be the death of me ( crime lord au )

this one was based off of a conversation i had with a friend about the various other ways steph could’ve stopped her dad instead of becoming a vigilante. i thought it was the most interesting.

in this au, steph is a little more morally gray. well, morally gray enough to decide to become a crime lord just to make her dad look stupid. basically one of those “you’ve been trying to be a batman rogue for years and it took me three months to do better”, and then it snowballs out from there. it gets to the point where she’s no longer looking at it as a way to get back at her dad, and an actual way of living.

it’s a crack treated seriously fic, because a lot of it you need to suspend your disbelief. it also has timsteph, because i think the idea of tim dating the girl who’s criminal empire he is trying to topple is funny.

she girl bosses so hard while committing several felonies.

also because she doesn’t have to worry about her secret identity she dyes her hair purple (also to symbolize her spoiler costume in another world). by the end of the fic she will have tried every purple hair dye i can find on google.

imagine being a goon and your boss is some sixteen-year-old girl also concerned about her english essay because she may be a crime lord but she’s a crime lord with an education!!!!

i see dead people ( clairvoyant au )

this one’s more serious but i can’t write just angst to save my life so it still gets silly.

stephanie has been able to see the dead for as long as she can remember, and she’s been helping them since she’d been able to. normally it was small things, like a ghost wanting to make sure her poor Mr. Fluffy was being well taken care of, until she meets the spirit of the once-was robin.

all jason wants is his dad to stop being so violent, but steph isn’t going to walk up to big man batman and tell him Hey, you’re upsetting the spirit of ur dead Robin, stop it, so instead she decides to just take his mind off of it.

they become besties. they hang out constantly. she teaches jason everything she knows about being a ghost. best six months of her life.

until he disappears!!!!

now, the fun thing about ghosts is they’re like little spies. they see everything and they can move faster and further than humans, so they see even more.

the ghosts tell her that jason isn’t just missing, he’s alive. and he’s been taken out of the country.

now normal people might’ve ran straight to the bat, but not steph, she’s got the power of ghost spies and spite, she’s hunting her undead bff down herself. with the help of a freaky little brainiac kid (aka tim drake).

and then she accidentally discovers the league of assassins … oops

the devil knows my name ( prophet au / supernatural crossover )

in supernatural, there are prophets of the lord. they all (seem, we have met two.. well.. it gets complicated) to have different purposes in being prophet. the first one, chuck, writes the "gospel of winchester" which is just the future of the main characters lives. the second prophet, kevin, is the person who translates the word of god.

there can only be one prophet at a time, which would suck for my au, but! but! in a fun plot twist (spoiler warning) chuck actually ends up being god in disguise.

so in the version, steph is the actual prophet that chuck replaced. chuck is still there because he is important, there's just two prophets because god committed identity theft.

this means the au takes place in season four of supernatural, which (spoiler warning) has dean winchester returning from the dead/hell because the biblical apocalypse is about to go down on earth. yeah, i'm throwing batman into the actual biblical apocalypse, where angels and demons are both the bad guys trying to have a grudge match that'll level the earth.

i'm so hyped for it.

[misrepresentedmorallygrey]

PROPAGANDA

Jason Todd

Jason is as someone else put it succinctly "a mass-murdering terrorist and tax-evader". He does evil, the story constantly condemns him as evil and sinful and thuggish and stupid and uneducated and overemotional. He does have a lower and more selective kill count than Luke Skywalker, John Wick, Disney Mulan, etc. So you got part of the fandom writing an annoying flood of fan fiction about him being a warm soft nice guy skipping through the daisies with his fam (hey have fun, guys). Then you got another side picking out the worst ex-canon comics for him (while they ignore the worst ex-canon comics for their own fave characters i.e. "my fave only did evil because of a mind-control potion, but Jason always chooses to be evil even though the story and the writer himself said he was crazy and broken and suffering from magic insanity")... and accuse him of being a cop (he is a cop-hating cop-killing terrorist murderer criminal thuggy thug thug constantly being hunted by law enforcement in a world bursting to the brim with actual copaganda while the heroes regularly cooperate with police—so many anti-fans are misusing the term copaganda because they hate this fictional character to the point they want to train people to be blind to actual copaganda). Jason is absolutely a villain—and he returned to his hometown when it was a battlefield with hundreds killed in the latest conflict, ruled over by a child-killing torture-enthusiast. War is always wrong and evil, and Jason was raised to be a soldier in that war—and when the promises of justice and safety never came true, he decided to seize power through murder. Jason is evil. He is inarguably a lesser evil than what usually plagues the town. Innocent people are alive because he got his hands dirty. He is such an asshole. People like him should not exist. He shot a 10-year-old in the chest, and nobody not even the 10-year-old cared the next day because it really wasn't a big deal. He was kidnapped by a billionaire with a taste for young boys, and it's literally not a big deal. His crimesagainst fashion are unforgivable tho.

Batman's adopted son and second Robin that got killed by the Joker and came bag to enact a revenge plan by becoming a Gotham drug lord. He had a duffel bag of 8 decapitated heads at some point and planted a bomb on the Batmobile and then got his throat slit by Batman to save the Joker. He stole his older adoptive brother's (first Robin) identity and blew up a high school but he forbade Gotham's drug rings from selling to children and actually became an anti-hero in Gotham and killed the people Batman wouldn't (rapists, drug lords, etc.). He attacked his little adoptive brother (third Robin) and beat him to a bloody pulp. He also slept with Batman's baby mama. He raised a fucked up Superman clone with kindness. He has lead teams of Outlaws on multiple occasions that love him. He's on good terms with many (not all) of Gotham's vigilantes.

Listen. I love the guy, I love him dearly, but I feel like people these days are trying to make him like completely justified in everything he did?? And like you can see where he’s coming from, sure, but my man did absolutely beat Tim Drake, a teen, half to death for the crime of being Robin. He’s morally gray! He had decapitated heads in duffle bags! Let my guy be morally gray please stop woobifying him

Jason Todd is regularly stripped of his autonomy in fandom to make him more palatable and “redeemable”. They attribute his legitimate trauma, annger, and pain driven actions to “pit madness” a side effect of the way he was resurrected. Not only that but so many people don’t even know what he actually does when he comes back, it’s like a shitty game of telephone where each person tells the next a slightly altered version of his return and at the end everyone thinks that Jason hates the kid who took up the Robin mantle after him and wants to kill him and that he is mad at Bruce for no reason and all Bruce needs to do is tell Jason that he is loved (despite Jason having a lot of evidence to the contrary) and everything will be all better. His values and beliefs and convictions are treated as invalid and his trauma is something he needs to just get over because it’s inconvenient and harmful to everyone else and doesn’t he know that everyone else was also traumatized by his death?

vigilante who kills people • traumatized as hell • has trouble differentiating between good deeds and selfishness • shot his little brother on the spine • tried to kill his other two brothers • operates under the belief that controlling evil is the only way to help innocents • has an immesurable love for the people of Gotham and really wants them to be happy and safe!! • please for the love of god fandom stop talking about him as if the bad things hes done are forgiveable AND as if the good things he's done don't matter

Gonna be honest even canon misinterprets him. There's no winning. All you need to know about DC universe is that multiple different writers have had a go at writing him and every time he is wildly different which is maybe why people interpret him very differently?? Canon interprets him in a he did everything wrong way a lot of times and fanon interprets him in a he did nothing wrong way because he is blorbo to many, when he is very much someone who did a lot of shit wrong but also had a lot going on, while thats still not an excuse for like, a lot of maiming and murder, and (usually) later in the timeline he is less trigger happy and has evened out from villain to morally grey, his whole "redemption" to being morally grey is usually up to fan interpretation whether or not they're chill with letting him keep murdering bad people or they say no murder in general, and whether or not bats is chill with the whole he keeps murdering people thing since he has a staunch no murder stance. Also!! a lot of people in fanon write in the whole pit insanity thing as a way to excuse a lot of the things he did while in his full on villain era, and like,,, i don't think that was canon??? like i straight up think the whole pit madness thing was made up but a lot of DC canon is wibbly wobbly already so its hard to say. hope this wasn't too word salady but i hope you understand that whenever you are consuming any piece of media, canon or fanon, with this man in it you have literally no idea what you are stumbling into you, you are playing fucking spin the wheel, which flavour of Jason Todd are we reading about today. I will say though, canon does objectively treat him like dogshit and only really brings him back every now and then as a punching bag for Batsy whenever they want to have edgy emo abusive dad bruce wayne because comic writers think found family is for chumps and so is being a good parent and actively resist it with every ounce of their soul :/ so I understand why fanon strays so far away, it's just that fanon also can't seem to agree on the degree of morally grey he is?? idk someone save Jason it's the worst custody battle of the century between canon and fanon.

Miguel O'Hara

he is dj internalized homophobia. he is so so sick in the head

[thattimdrakeguy]

I am so sorry if you've done this before but can you do a quick crash course and recommended reading list on Tim Drake? I've had a lot of misinformation about his character from Tim stans and I never really thought he had anything unique or interesting that made him stand out from the other Robins. He seemed to be a cookie cutter mold of the bland teen relatable hero. But from the small information I've gathered for myself, he has qualities and characteristics that I really like in a lot of characters in other media. Can you maybe help me and educate me more on him, please?

The best Tim stuff is the early Tim stuff, at least to me, but then again, you did come to me to ask this.

You have to clear your mind of what you think of Tim already, because you'll either have people telling you stuff about him that's false to make you dislike him, or stuff that isn't true that they pulled out of their ass to make you like them.

And start at the beginning, this is the most important thing with Tim. Lonely Place of Dying is his origin story, and that's where you'll understand him the most, it's a fantastic character study of him. It's also where his characterization is at it's strongest because of that.

You'll find out he's introduced as this sheltered, oblivious, naïve, clever--but not super genius little kid. He doesn't even get the Robin gig because of how smart he is, he doesn't even solve a murder mystery in his first story. Instead, and the real reason of how he got the gig was his big heart, and enthusiasm. He's honestly really adorable in his origin story. He is insanely innocent in his origin. It's pretty precious--beyond his PTSD, which, poor baby.

However these are traits that have...been really lowered as the years go on.

Like he was raised in boarding schools, so he's super naïve and oblivious, his first Robin miniseries in fact is about how little he knows about the 'big bad world'. It's essentially him showing off how much he has to know, and how little he understands concepts such as vengeance, revenge, grudges, gray morality, among other things.

Overall though, in my opinion, what made him interesting was his perspective in regards to the Bat-Family in his earlier stories. He's not like the rest of them at all, and that's what made him good. He is NOT naturally talented, he's good enough, but he's not the best at ANYTHING. And he has so much love for the life of Batman and Robin that it means so much for him.

Above all else he is a little kid fan boy, with so much love in his heart. He draws fan art, goes overboard with love about every little thing he sees, he cries when he thinks he failed Batman and Robin. So if anything he cares too much in his early stories.

This little kid will beat himself up so much when he feels like he's letting them down. It's his specific connection to the legacy that really helps him out. Here is solely here because of how much he cares about Batman and Robin. He didn't even originally try to be Robin, he just ended up being that way because Dick wouldn't do it.

And he knows nothing about people in his original story which also helps him a lot. Not like local weirdo fandom Tim. But think of this genuinely good hearted little boy, that just genuinely doesn't know what he's doing.

But after his origin he sort of goes through the tests and the stress really hits up on him hard, and that's where his miniseries and Robin series goes from there.

His parents dies, and it creates this deal where he's convinced he's not a kid anymore, but it's so obvious it is because of how black and white his thinking is, and his naïve way of thinking. But there's more anxiety and worry in him after this.

So then you have this reasonably normal kid in a world of gritty crime, and angsty crime-fighters, all while the most concerning thing in his life is normal kid stuff.

As well as an identity crisis where sometimes his Timmy side comes out, and his Robin side stays. Where sometimes who he really is is around, just for the personality he thinks he must have as Robin comes out.

Which is something a lot of people don't catch on to. He puts on an act as Robin a lot in an effort to be who he thinks he has to be, versus who he really is, because he doesn't think he's good enough as himself to be Robin.

Overall, four things you should read to see if you like him or not is Lonely Place of Dying, New Titans #65 (I think, if not look for the Titans issue where Timmy gets training with Dick), the story where his mom dies (Apologies for not knowing the name), and his first Robin miniseries.

If you don't like him after this, then sadly he may not be for you.

If you do like it go into his other miniseries, and then his solo. But his solo eventually gets sort of crappy--a lot of things people say are good about it aren't great. You'll find out his relationship with Steph is toxic and awful. He's basically sexually harassed until randomly they date. And sometimes the cynical middle aged conservative man who writes Tim at the time comes out, and it's really noticeable given how much it contradicts who Tim is introduced as.

But if you can deal with that, it'll be fun until it clearly stops caring...and his character starts changing. Eventually that cynical middle aged man clearly stops caring, other writers made him more arrogant and unlikable, gave him a super genius trope, and soon enough he's unrecognizable.

Early Tim however, is a magnificent character to me.

So there you go, hopefully this helps.

[cr1mson5returns]

Sort of obsessing over the concept of Tim, having been acknowledged canonically as a talented photographer, using these skills for morally gray reasons. This kid doesn't intend to use his fists to win every battle, or even most battles, actually. He's well-connected, fits into unconventional hiding spaces due to being lean and slender and 5'6", and he has a very nice camera. So really, Senator, it's a shame you thought you'd get away with so much. Think of what the Times could do with this evidence. High-definition doesn't lie. So you'll vote to expand funding for public education and Medicaid in the state, is that correct? Of course, you're an upstanding politician, after all. Couldn't have all this getting in the way of your career.

[ao3feed-sladedick]

Running high on shattered dreams

read it on AO3 at https://ift.tt/169Vml2 by Helecthra Sometimes it feels like she is decaying. like her lungs are full of vines and too still water. Like her bones are held together by thorns. She is fragile, because life has made her so, never treating her with gentless. Sometimes she wonders if, maybe, death would be more gentle with her corpse than life has ever been with her body and soul. And yet she keeps it together. Life goes on. She makes coffee in the morning. It doesn’t taste like the one Wally used to make. Words: 10858, Chapters: 1/1, Language: English Series: Part 2 of Robin's blues Fandoms: Nightwing (Comics), Batman - All Media Types, Batman (Comics), Titans (Comics) Rating: Mature Warnings: Major Character Death, Rape/Non-Con, Underage Categories: F/F, F/M, Gen Characters: Dick Grayson, Wally West, Jason Todd, Bruce Wayne, Damian Wayne, Tim Drake, Donna Troy, Garth (DCU), Roy Harper, Catalina Flores, Harvey Dent, Harleen Quinzel, Joker (DCU), Slade Wilson, Barbara Gordon, Clark Kent Relationships: Dick Grayson/Wally West, Dick Grayson & Bruce Wayne, Dick Grayson/Roy Harper, Dick Grayson & Jason Todd, Dick Grayson & Donna Troy, Garth & Dick Grayson, Tim Drake & Dick Grayson, Dick Grayson & Damian Wayne, Barbara Gordon/Dick Grayson, Harvey Dent & Dick Grayson, Talia al Ghul & Dick Grayson, Dick Grayson & John Grayson & Mary Grayson, Dick Grayson & Slade Wilson, Dick Grayson/Slade Wilson, Dick Grayson & Joker (DCU), Catalina Flores/Dick Grayson, Harleen Quinzel & Selina Kyle & Pamela Isley & Dick Grayson, Dick Grayson & Clark Kent Additional Tags: Bruce Wayne is Dick Grayson's Biological Parent, Bruce Wayne is Dick Grayson's Parent, Bruce Wayne Tries to Be a Good Parent, Rule 63, Implied/Referenced Rape/Non-con, Dick Grayson and Jason Todd are Siblings, Dick Grayson and Damian Wayne are Siblings, Tim Drake and Dick Grayson are Siblings, Not Beta Read, Canon is something I use in bits and pieces, Dick Grayson is Robin, Dick Grayson is Nightwing, Daddy Issues, Mommy Issues, Dick Grayson Has Issues, Dick Grayson Needs a Hug, Female Dick Grayson, Male Catalina Flores - Freeform, english is not my first language, Trauma, Everyone Loves Dick Grayson, Alternate Universe, Angst, Fluff and Angst, Hurt No Comfort, Dick Grayson is Not Okay, Suicidal Thoughts, References to Depression, Morally Ambiguous Character, Morally Gray Slade Wilson, Morally Ambiguous Talia al Ghul, Catalina Flores Rapes Dick Grayson, complicated relationships with parenthood, Unhealthy Relationships, Unhealthy Coping Mechanisms read it on AO3 at https://ift.tt/169Vml2

[adalineozie]

I know this is may be an unpopular opinion on this site, I usually don't do these kind of posts and I'm worried the wrong people will twist my words, this is about Tim but it can be applied to fandom in general. As a Damian, Steph, and Tim fan, it sucks that there are anti Tim that are Damian/Steph fans who often go you don't really like this character if you like the other (I know there are anti Damian Tim fans who do this as well). And it becomes a problem when antis accuse fans of having intentions for liking him like you're sexist for liking Tim over Steph or racist for liking Tim over Damian.

In general, this weird obsession with liking what is only considered morally correct and nit picking every moral wrong of a character they don't like in order to defend their hate for the character and than proceding to accuse fans of condoning or reflecting these wrongs when most fans like them for their rights. This can often lead to this black and white thinking users on this site claim to be against and leaves no room for gray, going back to the toxic tendency of comic fans to gatekeep and have a "correct" way of enjoying comics. Because if we were to go that route, then wouldn't liking comic characters and comics make you bad person anyway. Comics have had problematic content in the past and they still have now.

Liking a character does not automatically reflect the person's morals and values. A good example I've seen would be, liking Rorschach from Watchmen and agreeing and condoning Rorschach are two different things. They can overlap yes but most often, please belive most people are ethical. The internet amplifys the voice of loud few, not the majority.

I recognize that the writing surrounding Tim Drake can be interpreted by some for having problematic elements in the way preference by DC he gets but it should be noted the bulk of it comes from later writers who worked on him decades after his debut. It’s not Tim’s nor the fans’ faults those problematic elements are even a factor at all.

You can hate a character and their flaws, but recognize the hate as your own and the flaws as the fault of writer's and editor's decision.

[ao3feed-brucewayne]

If Murder was a Meet Cute

by GlasgowSmileandGreyEyes

Danny “Phantom” Fenton is the definition of trouble. It follows him and on the days that it doesn’t he is somehow running after it. When Danny, for the need of survival, leaves Amity Park for Gotham University’s Astrophysics and Engineering programs, he only hopes that he can find a little bit of happiness. He takes up residence in Crime Alley and, for a whole year, he lives a relatively peaceful life. One night, at an ungodly hour of the morning, Danny is taking a stroll for some instant ramen, when someone attacks him from an alley. Obviously he defends himself, and, in the process, he kills none other than the Prince of Crime himself: The Joker.

He is in the middle of trying to figure out what to do when Red Hood catches him red-handed and promptly… lets him go???

Now, Danny keeps running into Red Hood while he commits unplanned crimes, and he isn’t quite sure what to make of it.

OR

The five times Red Hood aka Jason Todd caught Danny Fenton committing a crime, and the one time the criminal wasn’t Danny.

Words: 1586, Chapters: 1/6, Language: English

Fandoms: Danny Phantom, Batman - All Media Types, DCU

Rating: Mature

Warnings: Graphic Depictions Of Violence

Categories: Gen, M/M

Characters: Danny Fenton, Jason Todd, Tim Drake, Dick Grayson, Damian Wayne, Tucker Foley, Jazz Fenton, Maddie Fenton, Jack Fenton, Bruce Wayne, Clockwork (Danny Phantom), Fright Knight (Danny Phantom)

Relationships: Danny Fenton/Jason Todd

Additional Tags: Danny Fenton Needs A Hug, Danny Fenton Has PTSD, Danny Fenton has ADHD, Jason Todd Needs A Hug, Jason Todd Deserves Happiness, Good Sibling Jason Todd, Good Older Sibling Dick Grayson, Damian Wayne is Robin, Damian Wayne is a Little Shit, Bruce Wayne Tries to Be a Good Parent, Bad Parents Jack and Maddie Fenton, Guys in White Organization (Danny Phantom), Guys in White Capture Danny Fenton, Ghost King Danny Fenton, Danny Fenton-centric, danny always drops really awful lines about his childhood and everyone is worried, Halfa | Half-Ghosts (Danny Phantom), Jason Todd deserves his book romance, Morally Gray Danny Fenton, Author has not read or played batman comics or games, Not Phantom Planet Compliant (Danny Phantom), DC means Disregard Canon, Not Canon Compliant, Other Additional Tags to Be Added, 5+1 Things, A bit of a crackfic, Who needs canon when you have caffeine and WILL, All it takes is pretty eyes and a chaotic neutral personality, for jason todd to fall in love

source https://archiveofourown.org/works/47837932