#modern day myth
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1introvertedsage · 5 months ago
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… and then, what if another came in. Who was ready for this?
I’ve known I’m supposed to meet someone in particular… now that I’m here. I’ve met more people in these few short months than I have in the last 9 years. Even what’s been told to me was a ‘red herring’… which is an entire story itself. But none of them have been this person. I feel like I’ll know when we cross paths… but I like to know everything I can ahead of time. And nothing is more difficult for me than waiting.
My life plays out like a modern day myth and feels more and more like a game.
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bugwolfsstuff · 2 months ago
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*shakes you* Listen to me LISTEN TO ME
ZEUS IS NOT JUST A FUCKBOY
HE HAS MORE TO HIM THAN HIS SEX LIFE
HE IS MORE THAN JUST THE KING THAT CHEATS
HE IS THE GOD OF HOSPITALITY, JUSTICE, WEATHER, DESTINY
PLEASE STOP MAKING HIM AN ABUSIVE FATHER LET HIM BE KIND FOR AT LEAST A MOMENT
PLEASE
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HE DOESN'T EVEN HAVE AS MANY CHILDREN AS POSEIDON
PLEASE GIVE US ONE MEDIA THAT DOESN'T MAKE HIM CRUEL
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soli-nepenthe · 23 days ago
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I mistakenly thought that rereading a bit of Grassland Romance would bring me comfort. I was wrong.
I can understand why he did not seem loathe to leave the bucolic paradise with this MC, but because home is where she is, he'd rather be anywhere with her...
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gingermintpepper · 5 months ago
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What’s the significance of each color in Ancient Greece? So green is the only neutral color and it represents mostly natural and earthy things, thank you for telling me that part !! Anyway, as for my Hyacinthus design’s hair being brown, it’s due to the combination of it being a fairly common interpretation of his appearance and also because I find I like how it looks with his skin tone and the purple of his eyes.
Okay, firstly; thank you so much for answering my question too!
Admittedly you can't beat out good, old fashioned colour theory so that's completely fair haha! I still think it's very interesting that brown became the common interpretation of his features so I'm always glad to hear other people's view on it <3
With respect to what colours meant or symbolised in Ancient Greece, it's a super fascinating topic because the Ancient Greeks had a very different perception of colour than how a lot of people - and in this case I'll generalise and say english-speaking people - perceive colour. In a lot of languages, especially older ones, colour wasn't just a way to describe the physical perceptional reality of an observable object (that is, the light reflecting off the object that gives it its perceived hue - the way we perceive colour now) but colour was also used to describe the way in which the people experienced the world. A really good way to think about it is now, if you wanted to distinguish between two types of blue, you would instinctively make a distinction between their shades ("This blue is darker/lighter!") whereas these older people would distinguish based on things in their present, shared world that best matched what they were being asked to describe ("This blue is like the sky/the sea!")
That's an important concept to keep in mind because ancient greek was very unique in that, in addition to this concept of colour being completely intertwined with physical objects (and therefore also acquiring the properties of these objects in the minds of the people), the ancient greeks also did not particularly care about distinguishing between different colour hues (that is, differences in specific individual colour) but rather they were entirely focused on a colour's value - that is, whether it was considered light or dark.
Taking all of this into consideration, the question 'what is the significance of the different colours in Ancient Greece' is a bit of a tricky one to answer because unlike say, Ancient Egyptian which has very clear colours (red, white, green), very clear physical objects that give those colours their property (the desert sand, the sun, people's skin) and very clear symbolic meanings that arose from the natures ascribed to those physical objects due to their influence on the people's lives (hostility, power, new life), Ancient Greece's colours and the perception of those colours was much more abstract and poetic, contingent on their understandings and perceptions of things like light and dark, the sense of touch or taste (sweet and bitter/wet and dry) and what quality was ascribed to the object whose colour is being perceived. Colour was a matter of cosmology, of philosophy and there were many different schools of thought on it from Empedocles' physicalist theories to Anaxagoras' realist theories.
All of this is to say, take the meanings I outlined in this handy-dandy table with a tablespoon of salt! These are based on my understanding of the language used to describe things in classical writings that have survived and my own bias towards Empedocles' physicalist theory of colour and the nature of colour which I also think is very useful for people into greek mythology as a whole due to it making clear links between various gods creating things from mixtures of the four basic elements of nature and the colours that are the result of these mixtures.
I hope this helps even a little and I very much encourage you to do some research into different Greek schools of thought when it comes to colour and the perception of colour as well as how colour affects/reflects the innate nature of all things!
(Also, slight extra note, I left out Kokkinos (scarlet/blood-red) from the table because I didn't really think it was relevant for this outline despite it definitely being an ancient colour. It's a bit difficult to find examples of it with the kind of descriptors Empedocles outlines and I don't want to make assumptions based on third hand knowledge on the greek concept of the nature of things. I'd like to believe it was addressed in more detail in Empedocles' original document - only a fragment of the original some two thousand lines have survived after all - it is confirmed that Empedocles spoke on the recipe for blood and flesh, an equal mixture of all four elements as opposed to bones' four parts fire, two parts earth and two parts water (which is why bones shine white, there's more fire than earth or water) - and I don't want to conject or make assumptions.
I also left out Erythros or basic/primary red according to Plato's list of basic colours because that seemed to have specifically been preferred by Egyptian Greeks according to linguistic data. If I opened up that can of worms with respect to the shared Egyptian-Greek colour language including the way the Greeks like many early peoples did not culturally perceive blue until the invention of Egypt's blue dyes then I would be writing forever and you would never get an actual clear answer about Greek colour symbolism separate and apart from Egyptian cultural influence lmfao. )
A few of the documents that helped me consolidate this information include Sassi's 2022 Philosophical Theories of Colour in Ancient Greek Thought and Ierodiakonou's Empedocles on Colour and Colour Vision. There are also a fair few translations and discussions of the fragments of Empedocles' On Nature still floating about - my copy is a somewhat archaic volume of Leonard's 1908 translation but I never went out searching for updated interpretations and translations of the text since its constantly referenced in perceptional philosophy papers LOL
Anyway, yeah, hope this helps! :D
#ginger rambles#ginger answers asks#I don't know if this is what you wanted but I really really hope it helps!!#I wish I was able to find a way to actually have the table in this response but I'm just not good with stuff like that so I just decided#to link it instead; hopefully that's not too troublesome#There's a LOT to talk about when it comes to the greeks and their perception of colour#The discussion of colour and how languages evolved to accommodate them is also a very fascinating thing#Yes I am a historical linguist how did you know#Both kyanos and porphyrous are really fun because you can tell they were adopted later#because they come from the names for gemstones that were already in circulation and trading as opposed to words unattached to an observable#tangible feature in the world#Like pyrros is named after fire vs kokkinos which is named after the holly seeds#that were grinded up to make red dye that they used for their clothing#which is another reason I chose to use pyrros over kokkinos on the table#Seriously though#This stuff is mad interesting I highly suggest you take a day and just go down the rabbit hole a bit#Even small things like this can help massive recontextualise the often distant and detached way modern audiences are prone#to treating mythologies from the cultures that they were deeply ingrained in#greek mythology#linguistics#I guess LMFAO#Cosmology#Extra secret fun fact#My Hyacinthus is a realist aka he doesn't believe in all this four elements stuff#He quicker subscribes to the realist school of thought made apparent by sticks in the mud like Anaxagoras and Parmenides#ginger chats about greek myths
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radlymona · 10 months ago
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How it feels to see these two different types of comments of my Greece legalised same sex marriage post:
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jathun · 24 days ago
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ngl I have such a love/hate relationship with the fate franchise
#mostly cuz of how they write and design the female characters#...they could not get more anime#like it was bad enough before fgo came out but after???#hoooooo boy#then cuz im a history and myth nerd the way they read and adapt some of the myths and stories#man is it so bad at times#but then again i also love the series#for the frankly insanely awesome concept#you're telling me we're gonna summon heroes from myth and legend into the modern world???#and make them fight to the death??#you're telling me napoleon vs heracles can be a thing????#sign me the fuck up#and the way that type of idea lends itself perfectly to writing a sort of modern day greek tragedy???#it's just peak#then it has to go and be all anime#ugh#also when im talking about the writers fucking up the mythos of characters i dont mean stuff like king arthur being a girl#(tho to be frank it opens up a can of worms regarding everything mordred related that i just wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole)#im talking about stuff like the absolut bullshittery that is gilgamesh actually somehow getting the herb of immortality#and using it to turn into a kid whenever he feels like it#THE WHOLE GODDAMN POINT OF GILGAMESH'S JOURNEY IN THE MYTH IS THAT SEARCHING FOR IMMORTALITY IS POINTLESS!!!#it's right there in the text!!!!!#but they shit all over that stuff all for what basically amounts to a gag!!#it just breaks my heart cuz it coukd be so good!!!#like legitimately good!!#ugh im just gonna stop now#fate franchise#general fate rant i guess#fate stuff#fate series
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mochinomnoms · 8 months ago
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ARENT TADPOLES,,,like, a solid dark green color,,
wait are eels even green i uhm apologies late night rambling
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I thought that tadpoles were translucent and turn color when they get bigger like eels do. But Imma be honest, I only know as much as I do about morays because I hyperfixate hard and idk much about frogs.
When I get really interested in something I become google for it aksdalkjsdkl
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daughterofzeus-the-novel · 4 months ago
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I know some of classicsblr dislikes the way Madeline Miller modernized the Illiad for Song of Achilles but I loved Circe and I'm really liking this one so far
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amphibifish · 5 months ago
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it would be funny if i named my modern au heim heinrick only because i had a coworker named that and when i first glanced over his name i sincerely thought his name was heimdall
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apollos-boyfriend · 2 years ago
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my roommate is the strongest person alive for sitting through my like half an hour rant about greco roman mythology modernizations and the rampant misconceptions that have been spread in the recent years, partially from people unwilling to accept that no actually, these myths were Not originally feminist scripture that got rewritten by the man, they just really fucking hated women back then
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mmmthornton · 2 years ago
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Disco Elysium: You are in a world on the edge of the end. The revolution has been fought and lost. There is a hole in existence itself that is getting bigger. If you tune in, you can hear the sigh of creatures as they fade into extinction. They hate you for what you've done. They love you for having tried. There is nothing you can do. There is still work to do. You are all going to die. You have to find the truth behind one man's death. It is pointless, and it is necessary. Some shit-for-brains take on Tumblr.com: Its so stupid how Americans think they can relate to this story lol cultural appropriation much?
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roetrolls · 11 months ago
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Multitrack drifting those old men and also the Minotaur
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rivilu · 1 year ago
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I dont really believe in afterlife as a place, but if one exists im finding the Roman fucker that adapted the Medusa story and pummeling him to death a second time
#today on River's extremely niché literary pet peeves:#greek mythology#sa mention#<-- for as I ramble on#I've an unwavering hatred for the romans as a whole but this one adaptation in particular . THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR#idk man theres just something about changing the story to include medusa getting raped that makes me unbelievably violent#and i understand how a modern audience may want to reclaim that medusa as a symbol and all#but . Danae is right fucking there#you know? Perseus's mother? Who already had to bare a zeus child? which as you can guess she didnt have a choice to deny?#THE SOLE REASON PERSEUS HAS TO SLAY MEDUSA IN THE FIRST PLACE BECAUSE THE KING WANTED TO MARRY HER AGAINST HER WILL#AND THAT WAS THE SUICIDE QUEST HE WAS SENT ON IN EXCHANGE FOR HER RIGHT TO STAY FREE????#I cant express in words how Danae being overlooked in nigh all non greek adaptations of this myth pisses me off but that's a discussion-#for another day#But back to Medusa. I get it. I get the wanting to stick with and support the 'other' ; the outsider etc#but shes a tragic character in /EVERY/ version#even in the ones where shes a generic monster#The roman version only serves to hurt her on a new plane that she SHOULDNT have to be hurt on.#and keep in mind that the person that wrote that probably didnt do it to add to the tragedy; but to make her seem more deserving of death#i dont know where im going with this tldr the medusa myth is super complex and interesting when you take all the characters within -#into account; and the roman version as all things roman is just fucking worse and i hATE IT- sorry the demons#- and the roman version being taken as the true one in a lot of modern circles and adaptations does a huge disservice to all of it#because for medusa to be the Symbol; perseus often has to be the Villain; and for him to be the villain Danae is just forgotten.#Like. Perseus can be grey. Most if not all greek legends are grey in a way or another.
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kirbyddd · 1 year ago
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remembering this video i watched about the history of Mario 3 that ended with sentimental music and text saying "Shigeru Miyamoto is considered one of the greatest game designers of all time"
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#how can you say that in a video about MARIO 3 OF ALL GAMES. TEZUKA'S BABY#there was another one that credited him with Ocarina of Time's themes#like he hasnt spent the last 20 years explicitly denouncing the idea of themes and stories in games and the standards OoT set for Zelda#god#ok it's time for the Miyamoto Rant#he's the grandfather of modern video games#but he's a drunk barely functional grandfather whose primary contribution was conceiving the infant#he's been taking credit for other people's work the moment he got promoted#his actual game design looks like donkey kong arcade zelda 1 color splash star fox zero#even in mario the actual physics and interactions that made the game what it was were created by several different devs...#he never Richard Garriot'ed any of “his” games and wasnt even a proper dev on the real groundbreakers like Mario 3 and World#he hasnt gotten his hands dirty since the early famicom days with primitive games like Mario and Zelda 1#absolutely he played a vital role in the history of the medium#directing the projects that spearheaded the transition from tablegame-like repetitive rounds to more art-like full experiences#but he wasnt responsible for the later masterpieces people tend to credit him for. Mario 3. World. 64. Star Fox. OoT. Pikmin. and so on#in fact he often actively hindered projects and caused them to drag. It didnt start with color splash. See the history of World and 64#I'd call him Japan's Peter Molyneux but honestly he's closer to George Lucas. His underlings often ended up actively working AGAINST him#anyways.... there's my rant about the cult of Shiggy M#he finally had his free reign influence neutered after his Wii U era travesties... better late than never#next time on Video Game Myths.... Eiji Aonuma is an illustrator who has never written a line of code in his life#Masahiro Sakurai's game design youtube channel is an attempt to restore his reputation#after his last projects earned him universal praise from investors as a producer but destroyed his reputation as a game designer#Reggie Fils-Aime's post retirement attempts to wash his hands of the failures that transpired under his leadership and cement his legacy#and how Satoru Iwata was personally responsible for the company's early 2010s crisis through dishonest and anticonsumer business philosophy#(and how he spent the rest of his life attempting to right his wrongs and lead the company back into alignment with Yamachi's vision RIP)#as for Yamachi himself....#I think the fact that he kept the company free of yakuza influence in the era that they OWNED the industry is testament to his principles.#Yamachi is the one Nintendo exec name i respect#also shoutouts to Kondo the one guy at nintendo who ACTUALLY personally creates the things he's credited with
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velvetbunniie-archive · 2 years ago
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alright, that’s it. taking all fairy tale and greek retellings from authors until they learn how to actually do a good retelling that recontextualizes without sanitizing everything to make for a “good”, “healthy”, “clean”, “modern love story” that strips the story of its main point.
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sotiriabellou · 2 years ago
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previous post is so correct and true it should get an award actually.i am so unbelievably tired or most modern greek myth retellings because few of them actually transform the stories into anything actually meaningful or thought-provoking but there is nothing that unnerves me more than the persephone retelling that depicts her and hades as couple goals like it genuinely repulses me because how do you take a tale that is literally about a powerful god kidnapping a young girl and keeping her away from her mother.there is absolutely nothing romantic about that no matter what way you twist it and i would even go as far to say romanticising this myth in particular borders into mafia boss kidnaps you and falls in love🥵😈type wattpad fanfiction territory or at its worst dismisses and romanticises sexual violence against women and girls.demeters divine wrath and grief being so strong it causes the shifting of the earth's seasons is the only cool part of that entire myth to me and it truly shows maternal love and protection.
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