#misogynistic talking points

[gameofthronedd]

Ngl something about people stanning Rhaenyra & wholeheartedly supporting her as a BAMF anti-patriarchy protagonist but calling Alicent a myriad of names, belittling & disregarding her traumas etc. Grosses me out fr.

It doesn't surprise me because it happens quite a bit on social media but some of the shit I've seen people write without an ounce of self-awareness just baffles me. The lack of sympathy boggles my mind, seriously 😐

[pwurrz]

i see a lot of people* who advocate for trans unity are just using a different term to hide their transmisogyny.

it’s not ‘trans unity’ if you can’t acknowledge that trans men aren’t the center of the universe and that trans women and their issues matter just as much.

it’s not ‘trans unity’ if you believe that trans women should kiss the feet of trans men and beg for their forgiveness for their alleged ‘misandry’ while completely ignoring the very real and very dangerous transmisogyny present in the trans and outer lgb community.

it’s not ‘trans unity’ if your idea for fixing the rift in the trans community is for trans women to shut the fuck up and do all the work.

it’s not ‘trans unity’ if you can’t even allow trans women to talk about the harm terfs do to them specifically without barging in and silencing them because “terfs are mean to us too so-!”. that’s not the point. trans women talking about their oppression isn’t hurting you, and it’s definitely not an invitation to fight them about it because you want to turn it into an argument about who has it worse.

it’s not ‘trans unity’ if your idea of trans unity is to have a community where trans women are just submissive and obedient, silent about the mistreatment they face either because they were silenced or because they never had a voice in the first place. you are already a part of that community. you already surround yourself with likeminded people who believe the same transmisogynistic things that you do. you don’t need to push a false idea of unity among trans people, it’s very clear what you believe in already, and we don’t need the entire trans community behaving like this.

[sunnist4rs]

I hate men because today after years of my brother mocking me whenever I talk about something I’m well informed on by saying I did no research I finally told him how much it upsets me. So straight after he brought up my male assault statistics and called them fake before leaving.

[lagosbratzdoll]

You guys are always yapping about how Criston Cole is Rhaenyra’s victim. Even though the show contradicts you on this point many times. Even though the producers contradict you on this point repeatedly. 

However, no one wants to reckon with the fact that those men took a tale about a misogynistic paedophile and the child he groomed and isolated and then turned his child victim into the initiator/aggressor. 

It’s par for the course with the adaptors. We watched it happen with Dany and Jorah, Doreah and Xaro Xhoan Daxos, Loras Tyrell and the homophobic way they adapted his story. The racist, heavily sexualised way they adapted the sand snakes and Ellaria Sand. I had hoped the fandom would know better by now but alas!

[fromtheseventhhell]

Another round of asoiaf "prettycourse", another round of people ignoring Arya's self-esteem issues and how it relates to her arc because their enjoyment of the series hinges on an 11-year-old being considered ugly.

[feyres-divorce-lawyer]

sorry but the minute you go after my moots, i’m grabbing my canon cannon and blowing you out the water

[lucabyte]

🐮

[badolmen]

Listening to James Somerton’s videos is bizarre because now that I’m aware of the plagiarism it really is glaring that he’s just reading other people’s words based on the syntax alone like. He just doesn’t have a personal writing style, there’s no grammatical quirks or phrasings he uses, because it’s all coming straight from the work of different people. If you read enough of one person’s work you pick up on their style and habits - words they like, how they structure and organize their sentences when making a point, that sort of thing. Jimmy boy has no style at all because he’s a mess of stolen words glossed up in fancy expensive editing transitions.

[ct-hardcase]

just typed out a war and peace style post about wanting there to be an equivalent of body neutrality in feminist spaces re: periods/childbirth/etc and though there are so many caveats to what I have to say, I think that there can and should be a middle ground between "your divine feminine body was built for these processes and you will embrace the pain with grace/this is easy for everybody" and borderline misogynistic fearmongering surrounding standard bodily phenomena

[seeminglyseph]

Watching HBomberguy’s Plagiarism video

[gwandas]

Sometimes I get irked when stans are on about Elain being sooo different because she's not a warrior or whatever and making weird, extremely unfounded digs at others like "some people can only recognize character development when the girl picks up a sword" when... a lot of Nesta stans did not want her to have a warrior arc going into ACOSF. Some people are still very dissatisfied with that decision. Myself, I've made my peace with it, but I still would've preferred something else for her. Not wanting a warrior arc was never something that was exclusive to Elain. And also? Anyone who's read other SJM books can tell you she's plenty capable of writing female characters that aren't warriors.

Idk, I don't think there's a whole lot of mental gymnastics needed to see why some people call Elain boring. It's not because she wears dresses and bakes and gardens or whatever y'all seem to think it is—it's because she's not nearly as active in the story so far as other side characters. Looking at Lucien and Eris, or even Nesta before ACOSF and there's a massive difference in portrayal. All characters that were given ample development without having a POV compared to Elain. Solid personalities and everything. Be as excited as you want about her story, theorize to your heart's content, but you don't need to imply that real people aren't smart enough to understand her potential or call people misogynistic in order to hype her up.

[gingerswagfreckles]

Yeah man at this point I don't care if you're one of my very few cherished Jewish mutuals. If you are posting about how the right wing shift among men of every race, class, and education level is actually the fault of women and feminism for not being nicer about violent sexism, I am blocking you immediately.

[lesboygamzee]

vriska being tma is 90% fandom caused bc homestuck is fandom driven and i think that should also be applied to interpretations like this . i dont feel like writing up a whole post abt it but she is the target of fandom misogyny in such an extreme and specific way that its hard to pretend that it doesnt resemble transmisogyny to a concerning degree

[solitaireships]

It always annoys me when people are like “saying men suck is bad bcs it alienates men, you have to be nicer” bcs one time at work, me and my coworkers who were all women were privately talking about that football player who said women shouldn’t go to college and should just become housewives, and were saying that the problem is less men and more gender roles and societal views on what men and women should do, and somehow that still pissed off a guy who overheard us talking about it so much that he called us all bitches and demanded to speak to our boss

[droughtofapathy]

"Theatre critic circles are in desperate need of diverse voices, and these old white men cannot be the only arbiters of good and bad in the industry," and "it's not the feminist take you think it is to dismiss a show's negative reviews just because it's men who are raising the valid critiques you yourself see but can and will overlook because you're attached to a show you say is 'written for the girls, gays, etc." are two viewpoints that can coexist.

It might be easy to dismiss a male critic's pan of a show because it's meant for women. That's not feminism. That's gender essentialism. The show may be written for a queer female audience, but should queer women not also demand quality and cohesion in a show's book and score, or must we always be satisfied by the crumbs we are given? We should not be arguing that just because a show is geared towards a female audience, it must be above critique, or that the real and present flaws in the book and score are only important to men, and all women will like it anyway.

As a queer woman of color, had I been a critic, my review would have been mixed to negative just like all those men you dismissed because the problems do not change from a gendered perspective. The book is weak. The score disjointed. The protagonist watered-down. It's like the writers set out to say "it's a queer love story," but didn't do the work to delve any deeper, and hoped to carry the show on that alone. Queer stories deserve to be held to the same high standard as any other show, and boiling it down to "it's queer so you have to like it and critics are homophobic" is a ridiculous, immature, reductive statement.