#miraculous overhaul

[imthepunchlord]

I'm curious, will miraculous changes eventually become a fanfic like copycat,LFM,A Declaration of Love,etc...?

That is the plan, yes. Essentially my take on Miraculous Rewrite (and it's a semi Overhaul too), my ideals on how it should've gone and should've been like, like having romance be more a B or C plot and focus more on friendship, having spread out lessons and spreading the narrative focus to other characters and having actual growth, working off color coding and doing Miraculous that are going to offer the most growth opportunity, from having different threats than Miraculous misuse, having better established lore, and dabbling into "gather lost Miraculous plot"/there are Miraculous rogue users that it should've gone with the reveal that there are more than 3.

Which is a lot of rolled out ideas and details and it's going to take a lot of planning. And I don't have plans to post anything about it up right away. I want it as largely planned out as can be, and ideally, have it be mostly written out or written to completion and roll out an update every week.

And I will forewarn, depending on the asks I get, I may skip out on answering as those could be a spoiler I rather not reveal.

[wisteriasymphony]

hahaha whats the deal with juleka and marinette 👀 another case of childhood friends drifting apart and marinette ending up alone like always 😔?

yes!! i've realized i have a habit of combining show characters in order to keep the cast small (mylene's activism got repurposed for alya, max's compsci stuff got given to nino), so i decided to merge juleka with socqueline.

and when i say childhood friends, i mean they were little. like 5 or 6

their friendship started to go south in middle school, as that's when their interests really began to diverge and juliette started to lean into scene/alternative fashion like her older brother luka. this is when she starts going by juleka and dying her hair purple and such, and marinette is much more of a shoujo coquette kind of girl and started to find juleka's more extroverted behavior and "cringiness" off-putting (though, when you eventually have a body pillow of your favorite celebrity, can you really judge your ex-best friend for having a yaoi paddle)

of course, their friendship gets truly severed in high schoolwhen juleka starts dating rose and prioritizing her relationship with rose over her friendship with marinette. of course, considering rose's general disposition and love of pink is somewhat similar to marinette's... it's safe to assume that juleka found the same things attractive in marinette, but thought she would never return the feelings. marinette reluctantly dating luka later on is yet another punch to the gut.

[sp00ky-scary]

Actually I had an idea for a MLB rewrite where instead of being vaguely related to the Chinese Zodiac and then there being a bunch of random ones connected to China even if they don't rly make sense and then some Native American ones, there are miracle boxes based on geography e.g. North America, South America, East Asia, Scandinavia, South Asia, West Africa etc. etc. like yk subregions of different continents. Each subregion would have less than 10 otherwise the number will become absolutely absurd and I will run out of cool animals, and the miraculous still represent abstract concepts and there'd probably be some overlap in concept but no animal duplicates. And then to keep the Chinese Zodiac thing the prodigious is made up of the animals of the Chinese Zodiac and still represents like human values or whatever. Maybe there are two prodigious, one being yin, one being yang (each being made of the zodiac animals associated with each one), which means there needs to be two wielders and they have to work together (maybe a parallel/reflection/ idk what of Ladybug and Chat Noir, moment to reflect on their team work or smth when they encounter the prodigious).

Every time I think about MLB and the miraculous/kwamis I become increasingly convinced that outside of the Chinese zodiac thing, that they didn't even execute well, they were just pulling animals out of a hat and also slowly grow to hate the prodigious thing even more

[laterreurofficial]

LT Doodle Stream Recap/Questions!

(Part 1/Part 2)

Hello everyone! Wisteriasymphony here. Yesterday the LT hivemind had the wonderful experience of our first doodle stream together!

For the purposes of cataloging all of the questions we answered on our stream (because somebody doesn't know how streaming works yet *COUGH COUGH*), I'm going to be answering them all here!

La Terreur takes place in 2002, and the events of the timeline last about a year. Of course, it's a retrofuturistic cyberpunk-y 2002, which explains later developments like the alliance ring and so on.

They're the same au! Miracle Exposure has just been a tag Silu has used to categorize talking about the effects of the miraculous, but it all happens within LT.

Hawkmoth is already a pretty solid design as is. Shadowmoth and Monarch will probably get overhauls later on, but why fix what isn't broken? Hawkmoth is already just the right amount of gross and creepy and fancy and bald, so no need to revamp that.

The consensus to far is that Felix arrived before the quarantine was instated, but he could easily have bribed officials into letting him into Paris if he needed to. The quarantine is mostly to keep people in, and if some idiot with a death wish high-paying member of the british aristocracy is willing to give money to a dying city just for a ticket in, then why wouldn't they let him?

@gaussiansphere put it quite nicely in the stream when he said that the heroes aren't trapped in Paris physically, but mentally. There's nothing theoretically stopping Ladybug from blowing a hole in the defenses of Paris and going on the run, but she has a moral obligation to protect her city. Everyone else feels roughly the same way, though we did discuss the idea of having the concept of migration fit Max better by virtue of his big goals in life involving getting out of Paris.

Also, the miraculous will likely be passed out differently. We're not following exact episodes, only storylines.

On a similar note....

Ladybug will probably alternate who she gives all of the minor miraculous to multiple times over the course of the story. She would find it ridiculous to pass them out to people "for keeps", as @sillysiluriforme put it, and before a certain point in the story will favor adult holders over teen holders. (Not saying why this changes though heehee, spoilers.)

MUCHAS GRACIAS!!!!!!!!!! Los ships no son un foco de La Terreur, pero.. Adrigaminette 100% mejor del mundo JAJAJAJA XP. de lo contrario es lo mismo que el canon.

Opinions de los kwamis hacia sus portadores es q los ven como niños. Son indiferentes a la humanidad en realidad. Los kwamis también los vicios q usan sus portadores para obtener. (Adrien huele a tabaco Y queso apestoso :/ Marinette no se afectada porque Tikki quiere el sabores dulces en su vaporizador).

#wispanol arc hehe. also YES you saw that right English audience, the kwamis are smokers. Marinette has to ask Luka's bandmates for vapes because the closest bodega to her house is run by a sweet Chinese grandma who her mom likes talking to, so if she bought from there she'd be absolutely screwed. Adrien just buys all of the tobacco as Chat, though.

We're not planning on having Aspik show up in LT, at least as far as we have planned. If he did, however, his rat eating desire would definitely go through the roof. He'd probably try and time his rat-eating specifically for when he's Chat Noir, just to make things easier for himself. (Until he eats one as Adrien by accident and has to live with the mental baggage for the rest of his miserable little life...)

Well.. there are a lot of characters that really don't need redesigns! Or where redesigns would be extremely minimal. Marinette's dad only really needs to get proportional legs and then that's it, and the same philosophy extends to most of the other minor characters.

Here are some of @clemnoir's designs for the rest of the class, though!

In fact, her lovely annotations somewhat answer another question we received....

We haven't figured out everyone yet, but the scholarships group so far is: Kim, Max, Ivan, Rose, Nathaniel, and Mylene. Adrien, Chloe, Sabrina, Alix, and Marinette are all paid tuition.

There could be! The ancient miraculous are indeed destroyed, much like the infinite amount of others like them, Bearinette and Lambdrien are just explorations of what it would be like if they hadn't been. The bear and lamb miraculous are not canon to LT, nor would any future ancients be. If we get any good ideas, you'll see them.

[wis is biting all of her fingers to prevent herself from talking about the coyote....]

The big issue Marinette has with being Multimouse is that she's no longer respected as the leader, at least as much as she's used to. Because she sees Ladybug as more of a responsibility than fun superpowers, her side effects are more psychological by consequence, whereas Adrien's are more physical. She also feels some sense of jealousy towards Scarabella, as well as general insecurity over not being the leader when she's Multimouse... but despite this she continues to use the Mouse Miraculous more often than in canon just for the sake of "training" Alya.

Silu dice muchas gracias!!!!! ...No conocen sus identidades fsgdss. Exposición al milagros del raton causa disocociación, duplicación no literal para Marinette jajaj. (Pero, no puedo decir si dos Marinettes aparecen en LT..... tal vez, tal vez no? huummmm)

Tambien, ellos comiendo ratones en privado. Nadie los trae en su almuerzo. Todos ellos tratan con sus síntomas en secreto.

Violence and misery and horror and class dynamics. I'll get into it more in Part 2, but characters' relationships to power is a huge part of this AU, both of the magical and non-magical variety.

[codenamesazanka]

Eri's touted as sort of a 'Tenko But Things Went Right', which isn't wrong, but I feel like her save relied a lot of luck too. And luck shouldn't be a determining factor in child welfare??

It was by pure chance that Deku and Mirio first encountered her. 100% random bump. Nighteye had no idea about any child in the Shie Hassakai compound, despite having staked it out for at least a few days already.

The rescue effort was launched to save Eri, yes, but only because the Heroes had that one lucky detail to connect “DNA inside bullets” to “visibly injured child”. Without that...who knows? If Heroes had no compelling evidence to storm the compound, would they have just continued a routine drug investigation? If they raided the compound but didn’t know about the child beforehand, what would’ve happened to her? Shunted off to an orphanage because she’s ‘a criminal/yakuza’s child’? Place under HPSC supervision because of her relation to the bullets?

The manga itself stated that Eri was going to be sent off to an orphanage, BUT her out-of-control quirk was cause for concern and fortunately there was the one (1) guy who can suppress her quirk and help train her - who happened to be a teacher at a private educational campus run by a multi-millionaire who can afford to take her in as a ward. How amazingly lucky!!!! (And everyone themselves said that they were hoping to teach Eri how to use her quirk so that she can cure Mirio. How nice that her quirk is deadly but also has this miraculous healing ability that lends this additional incentive to take her in.) Eri is still only in custody of UA because her last living blood relative, her grandfather, is still in a coma. Would Pops ever want her back, if he ever wakes up? Would UA let him? Good thing UA has the resources and connections to win a custody battle, in this case.

Plus, before all of that, Eri was already another abandoned child, way before the Heroes ever learned of her. Her mom abandoned her; then her grandfather took her in, but when he fell into a coma, she ended up with the worse possible caretaker. Yeah, Overhaul is Overhaul, but a relative falling ill and being unable to take care of a child is something that can happen to any family.

Eri was abandoned by her mom because she killed her dad. What on earth was the police doing then? Did her mom is not report this? Five seconds after the dad disappeared, the mom immediately plopped the toddler in the car seat and drove her off to Pops? Or is it more likely the mom screamed and panicked and called emergency services, but it turned out that there’s nothing to be done about the dad… and then emergency services also apparently did nothing about the mom or Girl With Newly Lethal Quirk or the beginning of quirk counseling so that the mom could understand the accident as ‘mutant quirk’ and not ‘curse’??

There were points where Eri could've been saved, before she ever bumped into Deku, before Overhaul put Pops in a coma and started cutting her up.

Similarity, saving Tenko shouldn't have just been 'Hero happened to be in the area and wasn't busy and was able to spot this injured child and go help him' (if it doesn't turns out AFO was behind this too lol), or 'if only there could've been a Hero 15 years ago who could handle his quirk, hold his hand, and give him relief'. It should've been 'first person who saw this injured child called the police or took Tenko to a police box'. It should've been 'Kotarou's last act of parenting was not to pick up garden shears and whack his kid with it, but know to keep calm and know what to do in a quirk emergency' or whatever. It should've been 'the three other adults in the household had enough conscience to not let Kotarou bully his toddler'. Hell, it should've been 'All Might and Gran kept tabs on the Shimura boy'.

idk. I just don't think 'Luckily a Hero noticed!' is good enough.

[class1akids]

Hello, i see this is some of the opinions since the leaks and i want to ask for your thoughts:

Some people believe that

the reasons why the villain trio could not have been saved by the heroes is that they (toga/shigaraki/touya) only wanted total destruction of the society, that they only wanted recognition, and do not seek salvation; that they were too far gone in the stage of societal destruction (as terrorists and murderers), and if they do survive the battle then the epilogue would just have them imprisoned forever;

the villains are too broken to be able to heal and lead a happy life even if in the aftermath the society have changed... basically the characters were doomed by fate;

Hori respects the villains' wills of rejecting the society entirely; which means that their survivals would just be contributed to the heroes' total win and that would weaken their characters and what the villains had represented;

(i guess that would be a point of view on what hori has been writing, but idk, what do you think? Ty for your answers)

Let me ask you a couple of questions:

How come that Muscular, who has no redeemable quality and who wanted to be saved by nobody is alive and chilling in a cushy prison?

How come that Compress, who murdered Snatch together with Dabi is alive, and chatting with Geten?

How come that Overhaul, maybe the most despicable main villain we have seen, gets not only to stay alive, but has his "boss" miraculously healed and visit him daily so he can understand the crimes he committed against Eri?

If people can't come back and live happily ever after their sins, why is Endeavor alive?

How come that Nagant, with her kill count and after selling her soul to AFO and targeting a child, stays in prison on her own choice but would be free to walk?

If death is supposed to be the answer, why are all these people alive? Why aren't heroes allowed to kill?

In my opinion, Hori killed them off, because it was his easier way to cut the story short and not having to deal much with the aftermath. He's trying to sell us a changed society, when nothing in this war was different from what we've already seen.

In order to wrap things up, he threw the LoV trio and the Savious squad under the bus.

[deusvervewrites]

Ask Game:

Midoriya finds the butterfly Miraculous and uses it's power to help him in becoming a hero.

Garaki and Overhaul also find Miraculouses (Horse and Snake)and everyone's on a scavenger hunt to find the rest of the magic jewelry before the opposing side gets them all.

I had my own idea for an ML Crossover a while back, but it will unfortunately derail this suggestion. Sort of. It'll make sense in a moment.

So if Kwami are conceptual embodiment of abstract ideas, then it stands to reason that in the wake of the Dawn of Quirks, there must be a Kwami related to the sudden shift in the nature of humanity. A Kwami of Quirks if you will. It is this power that All For One used, not a Quirk of his own. Don't--don't ask how it was bound to a Miraculous, ML has way bigger plot holes I simply do not feel like figuring it out.

Hawkmoth debuted in Paris, made a few Akuma, and then vanished after like a week without a trace. This is because All For One is a megalomaniac and so he murdered Gabriel for the Miraculous. Problem solved, I guess?

He will not have time to relish his victory, because his son is very upset that his worthless deadbeat father hasn't been paying child support, leaving him and his mother rather poor. So he might've... broken in to steal some stuff to pawn? And, uh... turns out without the Miraculous that gave him his longevity Quirk, AFO just kinda... died. Midoriya would be traumatized but Alle popped out of the Miraculous and went "Hey kid wanna do magical Quirk experiments?" and Midoriya went "Oh boy would I?"

Fu tried to track the Miraculous to Japan, but, uh, he's not exactly a fighter, and long story short he... might have... lost a couple Miraculous. I'm sure nothing bad will happen there--Garaki? Overhaul? Hm.

Aoyama is McFucking Losing It

[ihaveforgortoomany]

Puppykeeper AU!

(Based on the ask by @little-bunny-with-purple-stinger initally answered by Comrade @the-blossica-fan )

Summary: Sonetto joins Vertin and the others in the Breakaway Incident but this time it's Sonetto the sole survivor - becoming the TimeKeeper!

Yes I thought about this AU, and Im bored waiting for 2.1 and 2.4 respectively so indulge in my suffering in grabbing the ball and chucking it into the next era.

Major Differences to Canon:

Her relationships to early game cast, espeically Regulus and Druvis is much rougher in canon - the story will have a focus on Sonetto attempting to build these connections over time. Team TK in this AU have alot of growing pains.

Sonetto even as TK is more sheltered, a "looking through the glass" perspective to the outside world in comparison to Vertin, she takes much longer to adapt to operating outside of direct orders of the Foundation.

Vertin being essentially dead in this AU, she gets to haunt the narrative this time :) (mostly)

Overhaul to Books 1/2 as seen in the previous post (look for the au tag idk to link in mobile):

Extended time in 1920s Chicago - from 33 hours to a week.

Schneider is more prominent in this AU, this is friends to enemies to reluctant partners to lover yuri! Yes Schnieder also survives the 1920s Storm in this AU. She will occupy Vertin's role as a spark of rebellion and insight for Sonetto into Italian culture!

Other differences:

As all ages are the same Matilda is not Sonetto's Chief Assistant: shes currently still in SPDM until 2.0 event story.

Main story differences in broad very broad ideas: @the-blossica-fan comrade feel free if u want to add anything:

Book 3/4

😅 Complete overhaul again, Schnieder barely survives the Storm and is rendered into a coma, immediately is taken by the Foundation and monitored (so again taking Vertin's place). Sonetto and the early TK Team is still separated and pressured into joining the Foundation. Sonetto does follow her canon arc in the story but with the added eventual goal to create a Bill that gives the people that she saves more freedom - cue Reformation Bill as part of the Chicago Branch trial. Over the course of the story Sonetto slowly learns why Vertin goes to such lengths to escape SPDM, the Bill as the first step.

(Btw Book 3 is not only flashbacks of the Breakaway but also more as well from Schneider as Mesmer is put in charge of her, as the request of Sonetto)

Book 5

💀 Aperion is my achilles heel in every sense, so heres the general idea of what I will alter:

Events more or more play out the same, differences being Schnieder's presence causing a strain in her and Sonetto's very rocky relationship so far, and greater emphasis and involvement of Sophia. Yes Sonetto will speak out in the Hall by attacking Arcana, yes she will be put on trial for her transgessions.

But how does she win the arguement? Well. She doesn't.

But someone does intervene to aid her, team TK wasn't the only visitors of the island at that point: a duo had appeared shortly before very did. One of them is claimed by 37 as a 0, their interference saves Sonetto's life.

Ok major divergence from Canon:

The presence of Urd and "Skuld":

(Very clunky naming system just playing with the Three Norns from Norse Mythology, Urd being fate and Skuld being present. Also because Verdandi is too much on the nose)

Turns out Vertin is very not dead! In the Breakaway Vertin does still have her immunity, Sonetto surviving may have been because of her (aka this is me telling you im leaving it ambiguous because i too dont know, im making it work in a narrative sense). Vertin unseen to Sonetto is miraculously picked up by Urd, so mother-daughter duo travelling the world and gaining insight and haunting the damn narrative as Urd already does but double the annoyance to people figuring out who is who.

So Vertin is a editor and photographer for UTTU alongside her mother, knowing the truth of the Storm and can only watch Sonetto from a distance, only interfering with necessary. Hence saving her in the trial. How does she not recognise Vertin? Through manipulation of the fog, we know on some level the Storm can infect memories so lets say the duo can similar to the immunity can obscure facts about themselves.

So anyways, Sonetto was tasked to find the pair (duo name TBA) similar to Vertin in canon on the Island. Tie it back to seeing the outside world promise Vertin gave her and boom, two motivations for Sonetto, fulfil the wish of an old friend and now seek the people that might have answers to the Storm especially the one that eerily reminds her of Vertin.

More or less everything plays out the same, Sonetto does get more involved with 37, again growing pains with Sonetto learning to be a more charismatic leader alongside Schneider giving tips.

In terms of events: more or less the same, where Vertin is replace with Sonetto (Uluru), for Greenlake sans Vertin replace with Schneider (general idea again I point to @schneiderenjoyer 's AU they did a Greenlake event with Schnieder, its more or less the idea here with ofc no Vertin).

Ok thats all for now folks! Feel free to change or add anything. Feel free to ask as well I like to feed the brainworms now and again

[lucydoodlessometimes]

I just think the miraculous should give you long and colorful hair. even if youre a boy. even if youre an angry little sentimonster who has big feelings about pottery and magic tricks. even if i completely overhaul what a miraculous even is to get my brain to generate serotonin. even if ive already posted a very different version of this design lately. so what. hes literally a bunny rabbit?? Grow up

[x-kiwi-03]

I was wondering if you have any thoughts about the difference between Overhaul's story being handled compared to how Endeavor's was? I feel like Endeavor was given a better hand than Overhaul. Both in fandom spaces and in the story. I've been thinking about it and I wonder what circumstances could get Endeavor the same ending as Overhaul and vice versa. It almost makes me want to make an au to explore this.

First of all, Horikoshi likes Endeavor and he obviously doesn't like Kai. His writing is hypocritical when you comparing Kai to similar characters like Endeavor and Tomura, characters that Horikoshi actually likes.

To be fair, Endeavor has shown remorse and regret for the right people. He's put in a lot of effort and sacrifice to better his family's circumstances.

Kai has shown only remorse and regret for losing his family. He's desperate for Pops' forgiveness so he won't be thrown away (again?). Kai's making no effort to right his wrongs to the real reason he should feel guilty, Eri.

But here's the thing, Endeavor is a lot older and has had more time to figure out HOW and WHY and to whom he should feel guilty. Endeavor is also in a whole lot healthier situation to get through these feelings, to figure them out and find a way through it all.

Kai got his arms chopped off and immediately thrown in solitary for almost a year. He lost his family, freedom, and dignity in less than a day. His situation not healthy to say the least.

It's very obvious that Kai is very emotional, which is surprising given his villian arc was written as this cold and heartless capo. Solitary is what I think did most of his mental destruction. The only person he cared about would naturally be the only thing on his mind while he was all alone. He doesn't blame Eri for everything, he blames himself. He knows he's the one that messed up. Eri is still only a quirk in his eyes. How could you blame your product for losing everything and more?

Anyway, back on topic, Kai needs guidance and Endeavor was able to get through it himself, miraculously.

Also, Endeavor has been able to talk to his victims directly. Kai has had no contact to Eri, if not been separated from her more. I will forever stand by the belief that anybody else's opinions on Kai do not matter other than Eri's. Just like how Endeavor's family were the only people who's opinions mattered regarding what he did.

One thing to really remember is that Kai was a villain and Endeavor was a Hero. Kai has done no good to make up for his wrongs. And he's never, and probably will never be able to, do anything to help his case.

It's tragedy vs redemption.

Definitely make an au! I'd love to see what you'd do with it!

[imthepunchlord]

I don't think anyone was happy with how Gabriel's whole arc was handled, so I am curious what people prefer on what should've been done or could've been done instead.

[justagalwhowrites]

Lavender - Ch. 48

You, Joel and Ellie make a home for yourselves in Jackson. A continuation of Lavender Ch. 1-47 found on Tumblr here.

Pairing: Joel Miller x Female Reader

Warnings: Smut. No use of Y/N. Minors DNI 18+ only

Length: 4.2K

Summer, 2024 

“You swear I’m not going to sink,” Ellie looked skeptical, waist deep in the lake. 

“I promise you’re not gonna sink,” Joel said, smiling a little. “I’ll be right here, not gonna let you drown, Kiddo.” 

“So I just, what, fall and the water catches me or what?” She asked. “Because that sounds like bullshit.” 

“Come out a little deeper,” Joel stepped back a bit and Ellie hesitated before she obeyed. He arranged himself beside her, one arm behind her back and the other low in the water to help bring her legs up. “Alright, stick one leg straight out and lean back….” She winced as she did it. “Right, now the other one, too. Don’t worry, not gonna let you drown.” 

You watched as she rose to floating on her back, her face scrunched tight for a moment before she smiled, eyes opening. 

“I’m doing it!” She yelled. “Doc, look!” 

“I’m looking!” You shaded your eyes with the book you’d been reading, watching from the shore. “You’re doing great!” 

“See?” Joel smiled, standing up straight again, hands on his hips. “Don’t need me out here at all.” 

You watched as he showed her how to move her arms and legs while on her back, then helped her move to her front, sweeping her arms forward and pulling herself through the water. 

“I can swim!” She called to you. “I can fucking swim!” 

You smiled at Joel and he smiled back at you, both of you loving the chance to have Ellie be a child for a change. 

Jackson had been good for her. You were all still settling into it in a way. It was strange to think that, a year ago, Ellie hadn’t met Joel and you and Joel were avoiding each other like the plague. Now, you all lived under one roof, together as a family.  

You’d overhauled Ellie’s room first. It was girlie, far too girlie for a girl like Ellie. She thought about what she wanted and sheepishly came into the living room one afternoon with a notebook in her hands when you were reading, your head on Joel’s lap. 

“Is this dumb?” She asked, holding the notebook out. 

“Almost definitely not but let me look,” you said, setting your book on your stomach and taking the notebook from her. It was a mural of the stars, an astronaut floating in space with the Earth a swirl behind them and the long neck of a giraffe reaching into the stars. “In what universe is this dumb? This is awesome!” 

“Yeah?” She smiled, leaning over the notebook. “See, I did the astronaut with the kind of space suit that Sally Ride used…” 

“Brilliant,” you said. “Let’s do it!” 

“Fuck yeah,” she smiled. 

Joel made it a point to look for paint when out on patrol and it didn’t take long before you had everything you needed to make it happen. You showed Ellie how to work with the larger space, sketching out the mural in quadrants at first and then starting to paint. It took a few days to finish, the two of you working together on it. She painted the last star, you holding the step stool so she could reach high enough. She came back down and looked up at it, proud, before yelling through the house. 

“Joel!” She called. “It’s done! You gotta come see!” 

He came in, a dish towel over his shoulder, soap suds still on his wrists. 

“Well this is damn impressive,” he said. 

“Right?” Ellie said. “It’s like I’m a real artist!” 

“You are a real artist,” you smiled at her. “You made something. It’s art. You’re an artist, kid.” 

“Hell yeah I am,” she smiled up at the mural. Joel pressed a kiss into your forehead and smiled. When your eyes met his, you knew you were thinking the same thing: Any sacrifice was worth this. 

She was a little prickly about school at first. You waited more than a week to start her there, spending most of the time with the three of you piled together on the couch, either watching movies on the TV and VCR in the living room that - miraculously - still worked or playing board games. The family who lived in this house before had a decent stash in the basement - Clue, Monopoly, Scrabble, even something called Settlers of Catan that neither you or Joel had ever heard of but quickly became Ellie’s favorite. 

The three of you seemed to do best when you were close together. It reminded you, again, of what it was like coming to the QZ with Andrew. You’d thought you were better prepared for it this time - and maybe you were - but it did little to ease the worry that rose in you when Joel left the house to pick up food or Ellie went to shower and was out of your sight for more than a few minutes. The nauseating, hot ball of anxiety seemed constantly primed and ready to fill your stomach. You saw it in them, too. In the tension of Ellie’s jaw when Joel left the house, the relief on both of their faces when you came back into the room after taking a shower. 

But you needed to integrate yourselves into life here. Your leg was already doing better, Joel’s side was healing well. The two of you needed to start contributing and Ellie needed to start school again. The teacher in you was vaguely horrified at the kind of learning loss she must have had over the past few months on the road. And she needed to spend time with kids her own age, not the two middle-aged adults who had been her only real human contact for months. 

“But you’re a teacher!” Ellie protested when you sat her down to talk about it. “If I really need to learn shit that bad, why can’t you just teach me?” 

“Because I’m not the person who should teach you things like English or history,” you replied. “And you need to spend time with kids your own age.” 

“Fuck kids my own age!” She crossed her arms and flopped herself back in her chair at the kitchen table, staring daggers out the window panes in the back door. 

“Ellie,” Joel scolded lightly. “C’mon. You know she’s right. You need to have a life…” 

“I do,” she said. “There’s plenty of shit to do in the house and if I run out of shit in here, I can go in the yard.” 

“We can ease into it,” you ignored her protests. “Tomorrow, we can go to the mess hall for meals, talk a bit with some other people…” 

“I don’t trust other people,” Ellie’s eyes darted to you and Joel before looking back outside. 

“Baby girl,” Joel said gently, leaning onto the table. “You really think we’d send you somewhere that was bad for you? Somewhere you’d get hurt?” 

She glared at you both for a second before she sighed. 

“No.” 

“We’re here for a reason,” he said. “You can have a normal life here. School here ain’t like what it is in the QZ. Give it a shot.” 

“Besides,” you said when she was quiet for a moment. “We’re going to start working soon and you’ll just be in here, by yourself all day. That’s not good for you.” 

She looked at both of you for a moment, her jaw set firm. 

“Fine,” she muttered eventually. “But if it’s stupid as fuck I’m blaming you.” 

It only took her a week and a half to admit she liked school. She’d made friends, including a girl named Dina she seemed particularly excited about. She liked her teachers (“Way better than in the fuckin’ QZ - no offense, Doc.”) and seemed to be excited about what she was learning. 

“Thank fuck we got a kid who’s excited about school,” Joel sighed one morning after Ellie all but ran out the front door with barely a “good morning” on the way past. “Really wasn’t lookin’ forward to her fightin’ us on it every step of the way.” 

“She’ll find something else to fight us on, I’m sure,” you smiled at him over your cup of tea. He smiled a little back and kissed your temple before going to get dressed for the day. You savored it for a moment, the small signs of a quiet, domestic life. You hadn’t realized just how badly you wanted that life. It was like you’d been afraid of wishing for anything quite that much because, in the QZ, when you thought Joel hated you, it was so far out of reach it would only bring you pain to want it. 

You had it here. 

After a few weeks of working at the clinic, your leg was healed but you were feeling restless. You’d never been able to get a call out to Andrew to tell him that you made it here. Every little kid you saw in town reminded you of Elizabeth and Jonah and how much you wished they could grow up in a place like this. There wasn’t a day that went by in the clinic where you almost talked to Andrew out of sheer force of habit. You were providing medical care, Andrew should be there. That’s how it worked. 

“I need to make a trip to the radio tower.” 

You said it simply one evening, when Tommy and Maria were over for dinner. 

“Absolutely not,” Joel said immediately. 

“For a change, I agree with Joel,” Maria said. “We have a strict policy here for a reason…” 

“Why d’you need to go?” Tommy frowned. You smiled a little at him. Of course he’d be the only one here who was maybe on your side. 

“I just need to make one call,” you said. “To Andrew, let him know we made it OK.” 

“It’s too dangerous,” Maria shook her head. “We can’t afford giving away our location…” 

“I won’t say anything about where we are,” you said. “He knew we were heading out west, anyway. And it’s Andrew, he’d never say anything to anybody about where we were. He’s completely trustworthy, ask Tommy.” 

Maria looked to her husband. He shrugged. 

“She’s right,” he said. “Knew the guy for years, I’d trust him with my life. And I know damn well he wouldn’t do a damn thing to hurt her.” 

Maria sighed. 

“Just the one call,” she said. “That’s all?” 

“That’s all,” you said. “I swear.” 

“Fine,” she said. “But that’s it. You can’t share where we are, nothing like that.” 

“Of course,” you said. 

“Don’t I get a say in this?” Joel snapped. 

“Nope,” you smiled. “It’s cute that you think you do, though.” 

He quirked his jaw and glared at you but was quiet until the two of you went to bed that night. 

“I ain’t takin’ you out there,” his accent was thick. He was pissed. “After everythin’ we did to get this far and you wanna risk it to call back to fuckin’ Boston…” 

“I’m not asking you to take me,” you shrugged as you climbed into bed. “You need to stay here  with Ellie, we can’t both leave her and we’re not taking her back outside right now.” 

He stared at you for a moment. 

“Who the fuck is takin’ you then?” He demanded. “I know you ain’t stupid enough try to go out there on your own…” 

“Tommy will,” you said. “He already said he would…” 

He got into bed next to you. 

“Am I supposed to be happy ‘bout that?” He asked. 

“No,” you said. “But you should feel good about Tommy taking me since you know he’ll get us there and back in one piece.” 

“Can’t say I’m thrilled about the prospect of you traipsin’ through the wilderness with your ex-boyfriend,” he muttered. 

“So you don’t trust me because I was fucking him eight years ago?” You asked, brows raised. 

“Course I trust you…” He frowned. “Wait, eight years ago?” 

“Yeah?” You said. “That’s when he left, right? So, eight years.” 

“No,” he shook his head. “No, you split up…” 

“Well yeah,” you laughed a little. “But then we kept… well, you know. Did you really not know about this?” 

He was deathly silent for a moment. You could practically feel the rage building in him.

“I’m gonna fuckin’ kill ‘im.” 

Joel threw back the blankets and started getting dressed. 

“You can’t be serious!” You got up, too, putting yourself between him and the bedroom door. “You are not going to pick a fight with your brother over ancient history…” 

“It ain’t ancient history if he was fuckin’ my goddamn wife for four years longer’n I thought,” he was seething. “Fuckin’ hid it from me for years!” 

“OK let’s take a breath,” you said, putting your hands gently on his bare chest. “One, you’re going to freak out Ellie. Two, if you go storming over there, you’re going to get us kicked out of town. I had to convince Maria that I wasn’t a succubus who had come to town to steal her husband, she actually likes me now, please don’t ruin that because you’re pissed off over something that happened almost a decade ago.” 

“He lied to me,” Joel snapped. “For years. Goddamn years because he knew, he fuckin’ knew he was doin’ something shitty…” 

“Joel,” you cut him off. “You hated me then…” 

“No,” he shook his head. “Never hated you…” 

“You were acting like you hated me which, for anyone watching, is the same damn thing,” you said, crossing your arms. “Did you expect me to sit at home, never sleeping with anyone, waiting for you to come around?” 

“No,” his jaw tensed. “I expect my brother to keep his hands off my girl, especially if he’s just gonna be fucking her and not treatin’ her right…” 

“We broke up because I couldn’t get over you, you idiot!” You had to try to keep your voice down, which was rare for you. You weren’t much of a yeller. “Not that I’m some kind of prize but you’d already won that one! So no, you’re not going to beat up your damn brother because he was sleeping with me when you wanted nothing to do with me. That’s bullshit. You know that’s bullshit.” 

He looked at you, his brown eyes a bit softer. 

“You really break up because of me?” He asked, hint of a smile playing on his lips. 

“See, I guess Tommy didn’t tell you that either,” you rolled your eyes. “But yeah. I warned him when we got together that I didn’t think I could love anyone who wasn’t you. And I was right. So we split up.” 

“Well…” he cupped the back of his neck awkwardly. “That… makes it a bit better…” 

You rolled your eyes. Men.

“So can we go to bed instead of having you mess up our entire life because you’re trying to be an asshole?” You asked, brows raised. “Because I’m tired. I’d like to go to bed.” 

“Let’s go to bed,” he sighed, pulling you against his broad chest and kissing your forehead.

The two of you got back under the covers and you burrowed into him once he turned out the lights. 

“Feeling better?” You asked, your nose buried in his throat. 

“Still pissed my brother thought he could get away with fuckin’ my wife for years,” he muttered. 

“I’m not your wife,” you said, teasing a little. 

“Hm?” He pulled back to look at what he could see of you in the dark. 

“I’m not your wife,” you said again. “You keep calling me that but, last time I checked, we weren’t married.” 

“Right,” he pulled you back against him. “Just… feel like my wife…” 

“Well you feel like my husband,” you yawned into him and pressed closer. “But ball’s in your court on that one, Miller.” 

It took him less than two weeks. You’d just finished getting Ellie out the door for school, Joel coming in from an overnight patrol at the same time she was leaving. 

“Hey Hon,” you called out to him, taking a sip of tea before starting to wash the pan you’d made hashbrowns in. “I can make you eggs or something if you want, I’m not due at the clinic for another two hours…” 

You turned around and there he was, down on one knee. It surprised you so much you jumped. He smiled a little at that. 

“I had different plans for this 20 years ago,” he said. “Something involving you’n me at that coffee shop where I first saw you and you ordered one of those lavender lattes you like so much. Then I’d take you to a hotel room with a real big tub we could take full advantage of.”

You had to lean back against the counter to keep from falling over, happy tears already catching on your lashes. 

“This ain’t that,” he said. “But it is what you’n me have made and you make it everything, Baby. You do. Wouldn’t be here without you - wouldn’t want to be here without you. Seems like everything good I’ve got I can trace back to you, you’re the best of all of it.” 

He reached into a pocket and pulled out a necklace, a purple gemstone with a small diamond above it where the pendant met the delicate gold chain. 

“It ain’t a ring,” he said. “But I figure a ring’d be in the way at the clinic, anyway…” 

You damn near tackled him, almost falling over in your rush to throw your arms around his neck. 

“Didn’t even ask you yet,” you could hear him smiling as you buried your face in his shoulder. 

“Sorry,” you said voice thick, still holding onto him. “Ask, I’m listening!” 

He laughed. 

“Baby, I love you more than I knew it was possible to love another person,” his breath was warm against your neck as he spoke. “Will you marry me?” 

“Yes!” You were still clinging to him. He wrapped his arms around your waist and let himself fall backwards so he was sitting on the kitchen floor instead of kneeling. He pulled back from you enough to kiss you. 

“Good,” he smiled a little. “Because I’m too old to be on my knees that damn long…” 

You got married a few weeks later. It was a small affair, just you and Joel with Ellie and Tommy. Maria officiated and you exchanged matching rings Joel made out of scrap metal that he’d polished to shining. You’d never been happier. 

You toyed with the pendant, watching your husband and daughter swim, smiling a little. This was all you wanted in Jackson. All you’d ever wanted, really. A life with Joel, one that was quiet and happy, one where there was no specter of death and pain. You sometimes couldn’t believe that you’d found it, in the face of everything, you’d finally gotten here. 

“Y’all headin’ back soon?” You turned to see Tommy on horseback, heading back toward Jackson. 

“Time is it?” Joel yelled. 

“Pushin’ four.” 

“Oh shit,” Ellie clumsily maneuvered herself to standing. “I’m supposed to be going to the mess hall with my friends at like 5:30…” 

“Mind taking Ellie back?” You asked. 

“Course not,” he said, waiting patiently as Ellie dried off and pulled on her sneakers. 

“I’ll probably be home late!” She called over her shoulder as she climbed on the back of Tommy’s horse. 

“Have fun!” You watched the two of them ride off back toward town, so distracted you didn’t even notice your husband coming out of the lake until he dripped water on your bare leg. 

“Should put that book down, Baby,” he said, a look that almost dared you disobey. 

“No,” you shook your head, trying not to smile. “Absolutely not, that water has got to be fucking freezing…” 

“I’ll keep you warm,” he said, scooping you up off the blanket you were laying on. You shrieked and dropped your book before it got wet, Joel carrying you into the cold water. 

“See?” You said, teeth nearly chattering as you wrapped your arms around your waist. “Fucking freezing!” 

He tugged you against him and you could feel his hard length through his swim trunks. You wrapped your arms around his neck and his went around your waist. 

“I’ll keep you warm,” he said again, voice low and wanting this time. You smiled a little at that. 

“Oh will you, Mr. Miller?” You asked, the teasing edge to your voice picking up the the needy ache that was rapidly building in you. 

“I will, Mrs. Miller,” he traced his fingers along your arm before he kissed you, his wet curls dripping on your wrists. 

His kiss deepened, his tongue slipping into your mouth, curving around your own. He moved his hands lower until they were cupping your ass and he lifted you so you could wrap your legs around him. Once you were secure, he brought a hand around to your front, running his fingers over your aching slit through your swimsuit, pressing the pad of his thumb against your swollen clit. 

You moaned and he reached down, freeing his cock and nudging your suit to the side, his thick head against your entrance. He pressed into you and you clung to him as he stretched you open, the feel of him easing the painful neediness that burned inside you. 

“Fuck Baby,” he kissed the top of your shoulder. “Somethin’ about havin’ you in the water…” 

You dug your nails into his skin, not able to help yourself, your breasts pressed flush against him. 

“Probably because that’s how you first had me,” you panted, holding him deep inside yourself. “Really wasn’t fair, you making me lose my virginity to the best sex I’d ever have… Ruined me for anyone else, never had a shot.” 

“Good,” he said, his fingers sinking into the flesh of your ass and leveraging you up his cock before bringing you back down on him with a satisfied grunt. “Like you ruined for me…” 

He moved you up and down his thick length, starting easy and shifting to hard and fast, each thrust forcing your aching walls apart as he made room for himself inside you, his head meeting the place inside you he’d marked as his own that day in the pool almost 25 years before. Your body was clinging to him, your core so tight that it was bordering on pain and you couldn’t stand to have him pull away from you again. You tightened your legs around his waist when he thrust into you, forcing him to stay deep inside as you started to cum around him. 

“Shit, Baby…” he moved his hands from your ass to your lower back, pressing your hips closer so he could push somehow deeper inside you. “Going to…” 

You were too lost in your own orgasm to fully understand the implications of what he said. You’d run out of your birth control stash about two months earlier. The two of you had been practicing the pull out method and keeping your fingers crossed. Now, he was emptying himself into you, his cock throbbing as he filled you with his thick, hot spend. 

You groaned, savoring the feeling of him coming apart inside you. You’d missed it, missed how close to him you felt when he lost control while part of him was a part of you. It took until both of your orgasms had faded for you to realize what just happened. 

“Shit,” you breathed, pulling back from him enough to see his face, his cock still sheathed within you. “Joel, you didn’t pull out…” 

“I know,” he was still catching his breath. “Fuck, I didn’t even think about it…” 

You pressed your forehead to his, acutely aware of where your bodies were joined. You could feel his spend inside of you, his head right at the mouth of your womb when he came. 

“I guess we just keep our fingers crossed,” you sighed. “I’m sorry, I shouldn’t have held onto you like that…” 

“Never apologize for doin’ that,” he said, giving you a squeeze. “Felt fuckin’ amazing.” 

You laughed once. He was quiet for a minute. 

“But would it be that bad if I got you pregnant?” He asked softly. 

“Joel,” you almost laughed before you realized he wasn’t joking. 

“You’re the only woman I’ve ever wanted to have kids with,” he said. “Life is good here, people have babies here and they’re happy’n healthy. They have a life. It’d be worth it, here.” 

“I’m turning 46 in a few months,” you said. “You’re going to be sixty in a few years…” 

“Yeah,” he said. “But our kid - your kid - would be worth it.” 

You kissed him, soft and gentle, your heart full. 

“Yeah,” you said, your lips brushing his. “Yeah, they would be…” 

He trailed his mouth along your jaw as he brought a hand back around to your front, pressing two fingers to your sensitive clit, his softening cock still inside you. 

“Fuck, Joel,” you panted. “What…” 

“Tryin’ to make you cum again,” he said, voice thick. “Think it takes better if you cum after I leave myself inside you…” 

You moaned and pressed your face into his neck, rocking your hips against him, falling apart in the water at your husband’s touch. 

A/N: One chapter left to tie up a few more loose ends. I hope everyone is enjoying some lovely Miller family time!

Thank you all so much for being here. I truly can't believe this fic is almost done. It's going to kill me a little to end it (I'm still going to, I don't think I can keep writing without a story to serve) and it feels like I just started writing it a few days ago.

For anyone who enjoys my work in general and not just the characters of Joel and Doc, I did start a new TLOU fic today. It's called Yearling and can be found here. I hope you can find something about it to love!

Thank you for spending your time with me and with Doc and Joel. I can't imagine sharing this story without you all. Love you, truly!

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[sadisthetic]

hi. this is my dnd character for toonkind dnd that i first made 7 years ago that ive recycled twice now because i wanted to finally play an ongoing campaign with him. for his third life, not only did i give him a design update, hes also has undergone a MAJOR overhaul in terms of personality and backstory tho i kept some bare basics the same (human ranger with urchin background who LOVES swords and knifes A LOT. and that he has an ambiguous age) the overhaul includes the isekai. and that hes a cunt now. but hes funnier now too lol.

im adding some more details and trivia about him under the readmore

so like if it isnt obvious the double isekai is meant to mirror the fact that i fucking played with him in 3 separate campaigns now. its part of him metatextually now lol. he was such a different guy tho. an EXTREMELY LOYAL guy. now hes significantly more selfish. and rude as hell. but hes not that to be mean or malicious. hes actually a pretty nice guy hes just extremely inconsiderate bc he prioritizes his own wellbeing most of the time. its how he had to grow up

copy pasting this tweet i wrote about him "blade at 15 was a guy that shouldve been playing halo while drinking monster but instead hes a guy stealing apples and eating mushrooms off tree bark. miraculously few instances of poisoning all things considered"

he wouldve been a fucking gamer otaku fr. he got isekaied in the mid 2000s and as a kid he fucking LOVED watching dragonball on saturday mornings. if he got to be a teen on earth, he would eventually found the anime and gaming subcommunities online BUT ALAS. he grew up trying to catch fish with his bare hands. or at least he did until he gave up quick and ate weeds.

also. despite the hardships. hes like. fine? somethings wrong with him. but its not trauma. he didnt mourn his parents much although its not like he couldve done anything with their freshly isekaied corpses when immediately hes being chased by fucking beasts. its okay they were like b-tier parents. (hes definitely not a normal person.)

he wandered the woods trying his best to survive alone and in spite of everything trying to kill him (including the shit he ate...) he ended up in a nearby(?) town and things got a bit easier after that. because he could fucking steal to eat real food now. he stayed in the woods on the outskirts of town bc no one showed grace to a thief and just dropped in every so often to swipe shit. steadily he learned forage (through sheer trial and error)

he was highkey a menace. but eventually in his late teens, a traveling party gave him an idea to like fucking. get a job. as something. he managed to make it work as a ranger/guide for hire

he fucking loves booze. he absolutely underage drank. when he could steal it. and later pay for it. and also even though he could pay for things as an adult, he still steals shit if he thinks he can get away w it (he has an absurdly (or at least pretty) high sleight of hand stat)

before he got isekai'd a second time, went through a CATASTROPHIC DIVORCE with an elf woman who he met in an expedition party who became enamored with him after he saved her life. the uh. fallout happened bc blade didnt realize (and still hasnt realized) that hes kinda aro (fundamentally did not understand her romantic intentions and thought she was just a friend wanted to hang out w him a lot. those were dates.) and his ex didnt realize how onesided it was bc she was so love with him. geez.

also. he was from arizona. hes half white half mexican. but with all the time spent not speaking spanish in a different fucking world, it made any spanish speaking skills he had atrophy to hell. it happens and it was bound to happen bc he was so young and had like no reason or opportunity to practice.

also he chose his name. he hated his lame ass name so much he was like "wait. i dont have to use it anymore." but he was 13 fucking years old. anyways he thought blade sounded cool for a name. knifedad happened later when he got his first knife. he still had a bad naming sense. he was 14.

also although his ethics are kinda wack, whats important to note is that he ultimately doesnt want anyone to like. die. its like his policy. save people that he can while trying his best to not die himself

he also has a soft spot for kids. whether hed bc a good dad is debatable but like. i think hed be a nice one

most important note: his longsword is named Darla, his dagger is named Samantha, the knife in his pack is named Nicky, and his newly acquired strange glowy sword is named lucia, and he wants a cool greatsword very very very fucking bad

i drew him in his under clothing also so that i could have a better sense for his body type when i designed his new outfit im adding it here too. he has a shitton of scars bc hes the type that pisses ppl off that they wanna shank him and also he routinely eats shit a lot. a lot of the scars in this sketch are pretty random except for one specific injury for a certain backstory event i have in mind

[ebony-hawthorne]

miraculous rewrite part 1: reimagining the love square

ok so i am doing a complete overhaul of the love square, bc i really liked marinette and adriens dynamic in origins, where she really didn't like him and he wanted to be her friend. Bc it was interesting y'know? And i want to make it so the season finale is them becoming friends.

Honestly i am probably gonna keep ladybug and chat noirs dynamic fairly similar, and just make the flirting more banterish. I'm putting romance more on the back burner, because i personally feel it would benefit the plot more.

Adreinette is not the main goal. The groups goal is to get marinette and adrien to be friends, which will be where most of the silly and chaotic plans come from, not marinettes bedroom.

(Also they are all in highschool, not whatever school they were in before. They are in 10th grade, other then luka who is a grade above, and zoe, a year below) (no i am not cutting zoe, because i want her to be a direct opposite of chloe and also give her a story arc. Everyone gets a story arc)

[hamsternamedmarinette]

This is silly to admit, but there was a part of me that was bitter about the season 5 finale purely because of the way Ms. Bustier overhauled the entire education system in three months and apparently solved all of its problems, because education reform is an issue I care deeply about and recognize how complex it is, and admittedly even in the context of a kids' cartoon, I was a little annoyed at how anyone could portray it as being so easily solvable by one person in such a short amount of time.

And now I'm even MORE unreasonably bitter about this, because in the ML universe there IS an important issue that CAN be solved in this manner, and that issue is ENVIRONMENTALISM AND WASTE REMOVAL and can be solved by USING THE HORSE MIRACULOUS TO YEET ALL EXISTING GARBAGE INTO THE SUN

[darkonekrisrewrite]

Something I've noticed is that MHA and MLB (miraculous ladybug) is that they are similar in how their protagonists are blamed for the wrong things.

Like Deku constantly injures himself because no one taught him how to use his quirk, and is over a decade behind his peers, gets blamed for that. Or how the series seemingly gives him equal responsibility for him and Le Million not saving Eri right away, when he wanted to, Mirio overruled him, meaning he wouldn't get the support needed to push this and he's supposed to listen to his upperclassman.

Yet he isn't given any blame for his lack of critical thinking skills when it comes to heroes and morality. If they are a hero they must be good, and villains must want to be perfect heroes for the law, to be redeemable.

Endeavor says to his face that he only took him and Bakugou on to manipulate Shoto, after Shoto has told him he bought & abused his mom, and himself. Deku "oh it's so good that you are working on forgiving your dad," right in the same room as Natsuo who isn't. Then tells Dabi "Endeavor is such a good hero and mentor, you have no right to be upset"

Let me know if you want me to go more into the parallels of this

Yeah, Deku getting blamed for not knowing how to use his (very new) Quirk was wrong.

At that time, it made me feel bad for Deku, because anyone could see that those circumstances weren't really his fault.

It was the fault of UA and All-might for not giving Deku extra time and help in mastering OFA, even if there was some attempts at instruction, none of them ever cut Deku any slack for having completely understandable difficulties.

Not a very logical line of thinking...

The Eri situation was a little different because while Deku is supposed to listen to his senior for what to do, he did let a clearly scared little girl go off with overhaul, a man they knew was very dangerous.

Basically putting his orders above the little girl's safety, I didn't like that.

(Because Deku could have run off with Eri and Mirio could have taken overhaul out by himself if there was a fight.

Because if Mirio was able to fight for a while against overhaul in a fully enclosed space (something that heavily compliments overhaul's quirk), while he was quirkless...Mirio could have curb stomped overhaul while protecting any civilians that may or may not have been close.)

That was where my problem with Deku started I think.

Because Deku doesn't have anything to criticize about hero society or the victims it creates.

He says that he needs to extend a helping hand, not giving a single thought to the idea of preventative measures to stop people from falling to villainy in the first place.

And apparently, not giving them any real mercy or help either, other than a fist bump at their death.

All for the sake of protecting the "innocent" people who created the villains and who would have laughed at Deku's own suffering as a quirkless less than a year ago (canonically).

These are meant to be the ideals of the "World's Greatest Hero" btw...

So I guess it makes sense that Deku wouldn't be blamed or called out for this, since he's just doing what hero society needs to be "Normal" again.

Deku didn't even save the world technically.

Because if the same problems that created the Lov still exist, then all Deku really did was beat at a rising Ocean Tide, no different than what All-might was doing during his time.

As of yet, nothing has actually been accomplished or achieved.

All the endeavor and Dabi stuff ties into this too.

At this point, I don't think Deku will ever have any real negative feelings towards hero society, and thus never change anything.

(Despite all this, I'm still hoping shigaraki is alive and Deku conflicts with him more to prove me wrong 🤞🍀)

And yeah, more parallels would be cool 👍 thanks for the ask!