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[goodqueenaly]

I looked at Fan Wiki for lists of Westerosi Houses with Valyrian steel swords and wasn't sure how exhaustive it was. Was wondering if House Webber or House Westering or whichever have Valyrian steel swords, would we know and therefore must not have one?

I just mentioned Houses Westerling and Webber because of an alliteration and also they were houses the narrative had spend a not insignificant time with.

Do I think that there are plenty of other Westerosi Houses, beyond those already noted, which currently posses Valyrian steel swords? Very much so. Yandel cites Archmaester Thurgood's Inventories to report that “in the Seven Kingdoms there are only 227 such weapons … some of which have since been lost or have disappeared from the annals of history”. GRRM has Tyrion confirm almost this exact number when he, Tyrion, muses that “thousands [of Valyrian steel blades] remained in the world, perhaps two hundred in the Seven Kingdoms alone” - and if the author’s closest in-universe mouthpiece and a pseudo-nonfiction book in universe agree, I don’t think the author is going to suddenly say “gotcha, actually there aren’t any other Valyrian steel swords besides those we know”.

Do I think either the Webbers and/or the Westerlings specifically have a Valyrian steel sword of their own? Maybe, but I wouldn’t necessarily bet on it for either of them. Certainly, the Westerlings seem like one of those old blue blooded Westerosi Houses who could very well have, in olden times, purchased or received from their royal Lannister lieges a Valyrian steel sword. If the Westerling fortunes are rather less than impressive by the time of the main novels, this may well not have been, and indeed likely was not, the case some four or five centuries ago; with those choice lands not yet sold off, those mines not yet exhausted, and those Westerling daughters perhaps more recently married into the Lannister royal dynasty, the Westerlings may have seemed the sort of rich and upstanding Westerlands lords who could use, or afford, one of the rare and costly blades trickling in from Valyria. However, obviously no mention is made of such a blade by any of the Westerling characters in the main novels, including when Robb is eager to justify his union with Jeyne to his mother - a far from definitive omission, but to be considered nevertheless.

Even less, I think, can be speculated about the potential for a Webber sword. We’ve only really met a member of the Webbers (the Windblown sellsword notwithstanding) in “The Sworn Sword”, a story which by its very nature may have been an improper vehicle for introducing an ancestral family blade. Indeed, so much of that story focused on Lady Rohanne’s dilemma of being a ruler in her own right in a misogynistic, patriarchal aristocratic world - a world in which women wielding swords is at best unusual, if not openly criticized. Rohanne, in turn, may have had little narrative opportunity or reason to bring out a Valyrian steel blade and say, essentially, “oh by the way look at this”, and still less to put such a blade in the hands of her champion and wass would-be fiancé, the grasping and thoroughly unlikeable Lucas Inchfield. Nor indeed do we get any sense of the more ancient history of House Webber (beyond the last generation, anyway), to have an understanding of whether the Webbers would have been sufficiently exalted and/or wealthy enough to have gotten or been given a Valyrian steel sword.

Do I think either House having a Valyrian steel sword will be revealed? Not particularly, or at least I have no strong feelings about this happening. While I definitely anticipate that, as the threat of the Others’ invasion becomes more widely accepted and the realm rallies to unify in order to face it (and any related magical threats, such as Euron), there will be various ceremonies and moments of Valyrian steel sword pledging and contribution, I don’t think the Webbers or Westerlings will necessarily be involved. I’m not even sure that the Westerlings will survive past the TWOW prologue, at least of the ones we know: I’m fully convinced that the attack on the Lannister train by Lady Stoneheart is going to result in the deaths of Sybell Spicer and her (surviving) children, and I wouldn’t exactly be hopeful for Lord Gawen in that context either. I have far more hope of seeing more of the Webbers, at least in the timeline of Dunk and Egg - I’m very much convinced that there were specific geopolitical dimensions to the Tion Lannister-Rowan daughter betrothal that GRRM could very much discuss, and there is certainly no way that GRRM doesn’t explore the mysterious disappearance of Lady Rohanne herself - and so slightly more belief that a Webber Valyrian sword, if it exists, could appear on page. Still, I’m not sure that we’ll see any Webbers in the main novels (again, that Webber sellsword notwithstanding), when their Valyrian steel sword might be most useful.

(But really, if the Westerlings do have a Valyrian steel sword and it’s not called “Honorbound” there is no justice in the universe.)

[aegor-bamfsteel]

Why don't POV characters fart? We have seen them shitting and peeing but farting is never mentioned wrt POV characters. George says that he doesn't cringe away from including sex because it's something real people do and that it's nothing to be ashamed of and should be portrayed in media. Why cant be the same hold true for farting. Everyone does it and what about our favourite characters. What are your thoughts on this complicated topic? Is fart erasure a problem we need to tackle in media? Please give us your precious opinions on this topic.

Do I detect a hint of sarcasm about the value of my opinions?

I see this is the price I must pay for my hubris.

Before I can answer your question about why POV characters don’t fart, we should mention when characters do fart to see if there’s any common theme that could give us a clue as to why certain others don’t:

Fortunately, asearchoficeandfire.com has given us 16 instances of the word “fart” and its variations used in the series from 1996-2011. I’ve come up with two relevant observations:

Some characters are noted to be particularly flatulent: Septon Sefton and Wendell Webber (The Sworn Sword) and Garth Tyrell (A Feast for Crows). We only see this in action in the Septon’s case, where Lucas Inchfield threatens Dunk with death, the septon asks he plea for mercy, and the tension is broken by his farting (more on how farting is synonymous with a particular tone in the second point). Wendell Webber’s constant farting is meant to make him look uglier and less worthy of being Lord of Coldmoat; he’s “grasping and stupid” “a short man with a goiter on his neck”, but also nonthreatening (if he wasn’t male and married to Lord Rowan’s sister, he wouldn’t be a threat to Rohanne’s claim at all). Garth Tyrell’s flatulence is brought up by his goodsister Olenna as a dig at Cersei (it’s compared to how badly Tywin smells at his funeral), and as to why he wouldn’t be a good Master of Coin. Then there’s Baelor Hightower, whose infamous fart led to Oberyn Martell dubbing him “Baelor Breakwind”, causing his sister Elia (previously halfway in love with him) to be unable to look at him without laughing. We can infer that farting/tendency toward flatulence is GRRM’s signifier that a man (and it’s always a man; no woman, no matter how disgusting GRRM wants to depict her, ever farts) is older, smelly, not exactly competent, unhandsome…in a phrase, “gross and undesirable, but in a comical way”.

Farting is used 5 times in the phrase “to care a mummer’s fart”, aka to care very little (in English, similar to not giving a shit, a rat’s ass, a fig, an iota, a sou, etc). Words are wind, and farting is breaking wind. But why are mummer’s farts singled out as particularly worthless? The answer may be in Sansa’s 4th ASOS chapter: “Musicians strolled among the tables, piping and fluting and fiddling, while Ser Dontos galloped about on his broomstick horse and Moon Boy made farting sounds with his cheeks and sang rude songs about the guests.” Yes, Moon Boy is a fool rather than a mummer, but I think the point is the same. This is the only time anyone purposely breaks wind (or mimics the sound) and it’s for entertainment. But there’s nothing particularly clever about making fart sounds; the most it achieves is some cheap laughter and disgust. It’s the quickest, easiest way of entertaining a few people, and that’s why it’s particularly empty when coming from someone whose job is entertainment.

I think from these mentions we can come up with a theory as to why POV characters don’t fart. Farting marks the man who does it as unintelligent, unhygienic, less than competent, cowardly, and ugly. GRRM wants most of his POV characters to not be seen this way (as for the female POVs, it’s probably because he sexualizes them and fortunately doesn’t find farting attractive); some of the characters where he does (Chett and Merrett Frey), he has piss themselves out of fear. GRRM also uses farting to set a lowbrow comedic tone and break tension, which is only appropriate under certain circumstances. He does take many opportunities to make shit jokes (istumpysk theorizes this is because he is secretly 10. I had thought that due to his breast fixation he was at least 14, but by his own admission he isn’t great at making characters act their age), but usually they are more subtle (Dany’s trip through the House of the Undying, the bird guano on the statues of Baelor/Titan/Daeron I/dragonstone wyverns. The endless jokes about Tywin’s corpse are less so) and have a deeper point (usually that the person/idea they represent is full of shit), but fart jokes are less subtle and varied.

Which brings me to your last question: “Is fart erasure a problem that needs to be tackled in media?” Farting is actually a staple of Toilet Humor, a branch of Gross Out Humor. You’d be hard-pressed to find a stoner/gross-out/sex comedy film that doesn’t have at least one fart joke; it’s not uncommon in kid’s animated films/TV either (though the smarter films put a spin on it, such as Finding Nemo and the scene with the pelicans). Many of these comedies are deemed unfunny, mindless entertainment because it often doesn’t take clever writing to come up with most of these jokes. But that’s also getting into why farting doesn’t happen often in ASOIAF; it’s a staple of lowbrow comedy, not “serious” drama that ASOIAF (especially the later books) desperately wants to be. I suppose GRRM isn’t breaking the mold with his depiction of farting, but he’s less subversive than many people claim he is.

Note: to any users whose messages are gathering digital dust in my inbox and have just had the misfortune of reading this meta, I hope this at least gives you assurance that I will eventually write you a thorough reply. Just as long as I can think of something interesting to say. And maybe make a few terrible jokes.

[jackoshadows]

Can Robb disinherit Sansa? Does he have the power to do that? I think not. I think Robb just legitimized Jon and left it at that and this could be why the will is not going to end up being a big deal after all. Bran, Arya, Rickon, Sansa are all alive and will still be ahead of Jon.

We really don't know exactly what Robb has put down in his will until the next book comes out because there are so many variables and unknowns that GRRM has kept deliberately vague to throw in those twists and turns and keep things surprising. It's hard to guess here.

Can Robb disinherit Sansa? Can people be disinherited in Westeros? I think so.

We do have the case of Rohanne Webber who was threatened with disinheritance by her father:

Before his death, Lord Wyman attempted to marry Rohanne to his castellan, Ser Lucas Inchfield, but she refused him. As such, Wyman stated in his will that Rohanne had two years to marry after his death. If she would remain unwed, Coldmoat would be granted to her cousin, Ser Wendell Webber.

The Targaryens did this as well:

According to Archmaester Gyldayn, Princess Rhaenyra herself objected to the match as well, but agreed when King Viserys I threatened to appoint her half-brother Aegon as his heir over her if she would not wed Laenor.

It’s also been said that Aerys II was threatening to pass over Rhaegar and his line and disinherited Aegon and Rhaenys after Rhaegar’s death and named Viserys his heir instead. That’s why Daenerys would have more of a claim to the Iron Throne than Jon Snow even if he was trueborn - because Rhaegar and his line were disinherited.

Randyll Tarly threatened to disown Samwell Tarly.

I think Robb disinherited Sansa in his will precisely because of all the uncertainties surrounding the situation and the desire to keep WF out of Lannister hands. Robb and Catelyn were adamant that the Lannisters should never get the North.

By law Sansa is next in line of succession, so Winterfell and the north would pass to her." His mouth tightened. "To her, and her lord husband. Tyrion Lannister. I cannot allow that. I will not allow that. That dwarf must never have the north."  - Catelyn, ASoS

Considering this, I doubt Robb is going to leave it open to the risk of Jon refusing his offer or being unable to accept it. It’s not just enough to legitimize Jon Snow - can Jon actually leave the Night’s watch, even if a King asks him to? That’s a question that’s never been answered before and another variable. Disinheriting Sansa and leaving the North without a Stark heir would put pressure on the other houses/clans to make Jon King.

Now, a resurrected Jon may get out of his NW oaths because he was dead - but Robb does not know about any of this when he drafted his will. And if Jon could leave the NW, would he? We see him refuse Stannis’ offer because of his NW oaths and allegiance to the Old Gods. Would Robb leave that to chance?

Do bastards have any rights? What about bastards who have been  legitimized, do they go in at the end after the trueborn kids, or  according to birth order? What about widows? And what about the will of  the deceased? Can a lord disinherit one son, and name a younger son as  heir? Or even a bastard? There are no clear cut answers - GRRM

In the one case we know of where a bastard was legitimized while his trueborn siblings were still alive, a legitimized Addam Velaryon became the heir to Driftmark ahead of his younger trueborn brother Joffrey.

But again, GRRM says these cases are uncertain. What if the Lannisters argued that legitimized Jon Stark should go in at the end after the trueborn kids and therefore comes after Sansa Lannister? Why would Robb take that risk?

It’s easier for Robb to simply disinherit Sansa, rather than take the chance that the Lannisters/Tyrion wiggle their way in somehow.

So Sansa has two choices here. If she gains control of the Vale and it’s army, she can attack the current KITN/QITN/Lord/Lady of Winterfell and win the North that way. Or she can go to King’s Landing, petition the high septon to have her marriage annulled and then make a case to the current ruler of the North - whomever that maybe - to negate her disinheritance.

Or Tyion will have to die. This is not happening - he is 100% surviving the books and dying of old age in his bed.

If Sansa is still married to Tyrion, it will be hard for her to find support among the Northern houses. The North really loathes the Lannisters. Unlike in the show, in the books The North remembers. And even Stannis Baratheon has vowed that while he is alive, Sansa will never get Winterfell and Jon Snow is actively supporting him and aiding his campaign to win the North.

“Lady Lannister, you mean? I promise you, that will not happen whilst I live, Lord Snow.”  - Jon, ADwD

Apart from Jon, the North have other Starks they can rally behind - Arya and Rickon. We already see some Northern houses rising up against the Boltons in Arya’s name. I doubt Ramsay Bolton will survive the next book. Meanwhile, Manderly has thrown his support behind Rickon Stark because he has a better claim to WF than Arya and therefore undermines the Bolton claim to Winterfell via marriage to Arya Stark.

Now, Bran, Arya and Rickon have no problems with Robb’s will because Robb assumed they were dead when he drafted the decree. They become default heirs by simply turning up alive.

Of course, then the question becomes does Jon Stark - as the eldest Stark - come ahead of Bran Stark or behind Arya Stark? Can the will be discounted because Bran, Rickon and Arya are alive? Maybe, but according to Catelyn, once Jon is legitimized, it can’t be taken back. So what happens then?

Robb’s will and the spanner it throws into the works is why it's possible that there will be some discord among the Starks in the last two books. I don’t see Jon and Arya fighting. But as for the rest? All of GRRM's main houses/families have conflicts among members and I don't see why the Starks have to be the exception.

If the decree is relevant at all, it will come into play in the next book with Howland Reed/Maege Mormont and Northern plotting, fake Arya and Rickon, resurrected Jon and possibly Bran making it back south of the wall by the end of TWoW.

[kellyvela]

Any thoughts on how Rohanne Webber might pareallel Sansa?

We can draw some parallels between Rohanne and Sansa, but she is more similar to Ygritte and even to Jon's aunt...

Rohanne and Sansa Stark:

Rohanne and Sansa are red haired.

Rohanne and Sansa have a “wicked” reputation.

Rohanne and Sansa are ladies with a claim to their paternal lands and rights.

Rohanne’s and Sansa’s succession rights has been put in a difficult position in their father’s and older brother’s will, respectively.

Rohanne and Sansa have a long list of suitors that covet their claims.

Rohanne and Sansa have suffered forced marriages.

Rohanne and Sansa have become disillusioned with men.

Rohanne asked Dunk to swear his sword to her, but he rejected the offer. Brienne, Dunk’s descendant, has already sworn her sword (made of Ice) to Sansa Stark.

Jaime Lannister, Rohanne’s descendant has also sworn a vow for Sansa Stark: “Sansa Stark is my last chance for honor.” [A Storm of Swords - Jaime IX]

Later, Rohanne married Gerold Lannister and became Lady Lannister of Casterly Rock, she was the mother of Tytos Lannister and grandmother of Tywin Lannister.  Sansa was betrothed with Tywin Lannister’s grandson Joffrey, and later married Tywin Lannister’s son, Tyrion Lannister. Point aside, Stannis Baratheon tried to convince Jon to accept his Winterfell offer, calling Sansa, Lady Lannister.

Rohanne and Ygritte:

Rohanne was red haired, like Ygritte. Dunk and Jon liked their red hair.

Rohanne was small, like Ygritte.

Dunk confused Rohanne with her auburn haired good sister lady Helicent Uffering, like Jon confused Ygritte with a man. Point aside, Lady Helicent having auburn hair and wearing a silver hairnet makes me think of Sansa Stark. Also I have to laugh at the comment about Dunk wanting to bed Lady Helicent… This is too much George.

It seems that Rohanne was good with bow and arrow, like Ygritte.

Rohanne wasn’t wearing a gown but breeches, like Ygritte.

Rohanne was older, bolder and teased Dunk a lot, like Ygritte was to Jon.

Rohanne openly flirted with Dunk, like Ygritte did with Jon.

Dunk was sexually attracted to Rohanne, the same way Jon was sexually attracted to Ygritte.

Rohanne and Ygritte weren’t maids, while Dunk and Jon were virgins when they met both women.

Later Dunk will have sex dreams with Rohanne, like Jon’s dreams with Ygritte.

In his dreams, Rohanne shoots arrows at Dunk, like Ygritte did to Jon.

Lucas Inchfield, almost as tall as Dunk, was jealous of him regarding Rohanne’s attentions. The same way, Orell, a warg like Jon, was jealous of him because he fancied Ygritte.

Later, a mentor figure will suggest Dunk to kill Rohanne, in a similar way that Qhorin Halfhand suggested Jon to kill Ygritte.  Dunk and Jon have the same doubts about killing a woman.

Rohanne share some of the violence impulses and inclinations that Ygritte had. These details also links Rohanne with another women in Jon’s arc like Val, and eventually Daenerys.  More about this later.

Dunk killed Lucas Inchfield, the same way Jon killed Orell.

Rohanne and Jon's aunt:

Curiously enough, we can find similarities between Rohanne and certain mother of dragons…

“Osgrey can keep his silver. Only blood can pay for blood.”

(…) “It is Bennis I want, and Bennis I shall have.”

(…) “…and she breeds the finest horses in the Reach. We have a dozen mares about to foal.”

(…) Go, or I will find a sack large enough for you if I have to sew one up myself. Tell Ser Eustace to bring me Bennis of the Brown Shield by the morrow, else I will come for him myself with fire and sword. Do you understand me? Fire and sword!

(…) She was a blood bay with a bright eye and a long, fiery mane. Lady Rohanne took a carrot from her sleeve and stroked her head as she took it. “The carrot, not the fingers,” she told the horse, before she turned again to Dunk. “I call her Flame, but you may name her as you please. Call her Amends, if you like.”

For a moment he was speechless. He leaned on the crutch and looked at the blood bay with new eyes. She was magnificent. A better mount than any the old man had ever owned. You had only to look at those long, clean limbs to see how swift she’d be.

“I bred her for beauty and for speed.”

—The Sworn Sword

As you can see we can find Targaryen and Dothraki references in Rohanne Webber. Who woulda thought?

Like a certain Mother of Dragons, Rohanne is determined to get what she wants, even if it has to be under threat of “Fire and Sword”.

Like a certain Khaleesi with a horse called “Silver” for the resemblance of her own hair, Rohanne had a horse called “Flame” for the resemblance of her own fiery hair.  There is also the issue with Rohanne’s long braid, like the Khal’s braids that remain untouched until they are defeated.

Dunk cut Rohanne’s long braid with his dagger tho…

I wrote more about it here: DUNK SNOW.

[jzxfile]

Lady Rohanne Webber 'la viuda escarlata' (personaje algo misterioso)

Rohanne es descrita como una mujer de metro y medio de altura, con una nariz respingona, pecas en las mejillas y pelo rojo recogido en una trenza tan larga que roza los muslos. Se viste a veces con ropa de hombre.

El viejo Sam Encorvado decía que Rohanne era una bruja, una envenenadora y cosas peores, y su esposa decía que ella no tenía hijos porque vendía las criaturas antes de nacer al Señor de los Siete Infiernos, a cambio de enseñarle sus artes oscuras.

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Historia

Juventud

Rohanne fue hija de Lord Wyman Webber, Señor de Fosafría. Durante su juventud, Rohanne se encariñó con un escudero al servicio en su hogar, Addam Osgrey; cuando el padre del joven se presentó a concertar su matrimonio, Lord Wyman lo rechazó. En vez de eso, Rohanne se casó a los diez años con su primer esposo, el escudero de doce años de su padre. Su esposo fue asesinado durante la Batalla del Prado Hierbarroja. Su segundo esposo fue un anciano que murió de una fiebre. Su tercer esposo, Ser Simon Staunton, se atragantó con un hueso de pollo y murió. Su cuarto esposo, Ser Rolland Uffering murió durante la Gran Epidemia Primaveral. Antes de su muerte, Lord Wyman intentó casarla con Ser Lucas Inchfield, pero ella se rehusó.

En su lecho de muerte, el padre de Rohanne encargó a Ser Lucas Inchfield deshacerse de cualquier pretendiente que no fuera digno de su hija, aunque en los dos años que siguieron, Inchfield intimidaría a cualquiera que llegaba a Fosafría. Mientras que circulaba la información sobre la muerte de los cuatro esposos, tal hecho provocó que el número de pretendientes fuera más bajo de lo que se esperaba. Entre los que tenía estaban Cleyton Caswell y Simon Leygood, ambos bastante persistentes, y Ser Gerold Lannister, quien le enviaba cartas desde Roca Casterly, pero a quien Rohanne no creía estar dispuesto a cambiar su asentamiento y las Tierras del Oeste por Fosafría.

La Espada Leal

Antes de su muerte, su padre dictaminó que si Rohanne no estaba casada antes del segundo aniversario de su muerte, las tierras y recursos de Fosafría pasarían a manos de su primo, Wendell Webber. Cuando Ser Duncan el Alto llegó a Fosafría como enviado de Ser Eustace Osgrey para solucionar el conflicto entre ambas casas, ella lo rechazó. Lady Rohanne llevó sus fuerzas al río Jaquel, donde fue confrontada por Ser Duncan, Ser Eustace y Egg. Aceptó zanjar el conflicto con un juicio por combate, eligiendo a Ser Lucas Inchfield como su campeón. Ser Lucas se enfrentó a Ser Duncan, pero perdió. El valor mostrado por Ser Duncan reconcilió a Ser Eustace y Rohanne, quien le culpaba de la muerte prematura de Addam. Poco después, Ser Eustace y Rohanne se casaron.

Vida posterior

En circunstancias desconocidas, Rohanne se casó con su pretendiente Gerold Lannister. Tuvieron un matrimonio feliz y cuatro hijos, Tywald, Tion, Tytos y Jason. Sin embargo, en 230 AC y poco después de dar a luz a Jason, Rohanne desapareció.

Tomado de la wiki. (La espada Leal y El Mundo de Hielo y Fuego)

[klaradox]

THE LANNISTERS: ROHANNE WEBBER

Rohanne Webber, known as the Red Widow, was the Lady of Coldmoat and head of House Webber during the reign of King Aerys I Targaryen. She was the daughter of Lord Wyman Webber. Later, she married Lord Gerold Lannister and became Lady of Casterly Rock.

Lady Rohanne was short, slim, and had strawberry-blond red hair and grey-green eyes. She had a dimpled chin, a snub nose, and freckles. Rohanne usually kept her hair bound in a braid that reached down to her thighs, and she frequently played with it.

Rohanne tried hard to appear ferocious to other lords and knights. She enjoyed archery.

During her childhood, Rohanne was fond of young Addam Osgrey, who served as her father Wyman's page and later squire at Coldmoat. The two had an innocent romance, though it never went past a few kisses. Because of this relationship, Addam's father, Ser Eustace Osgrey, proposed that they marry, but Lord Wyman refused him. Instead, Rohanne was married to a different squire of her father's. During the First Blackfyre Rebellion, her father and husband fought in the Battle of the Redgrass Field in 196 AC, on the side of House Targaryen. Rohanne's husband, twelve years old, was slain in battle, and she became a widow for the first time at the age of ten. Addam also died during the battle, fighting on the side of House Blackfyre as his father's squire, which caused Rohanne to develop a grudge against Ser Eustace.

At age thirteen, Rohanne was married again to a fifty-four-year-old man, who soon died of a chill. Six months after his death, she gave birth to their son, who was weak and died within three days. Her third husband, Ser Simon Staunton, choked to death on a chicken bone, while her fourth husband, Ser Rolland Uffering died of the Great Spring Sickness. Rohanne bore a daughter by either her third or fourth husband, but the girl did not live a year. Because of the unfortunate deaths of her husbands and children, Rohanne was called the Red Widow, and the smallfolk accused her of poisoning her husbands and being a witch who sold her unborn babies to the Lord of the Seven Hells so that he would teach her the black arts.

Before his death, Lord Wyman attempted to marry Rohanne to his castellan, Ser Lucas Inchfield, but she refused him. As such, Wyman stated in his will that Rohanne had two years to marry after his death. If she would remain unwed, Coldmoat would be granted to her cousin, Ser Wendell Webber. On his deathbed, Rohanne's father charged Lucas to scare off unworthy suitors, though in the two years that would follow, Lucas would attempt to scare off all who traveled to Coldmoat. Lucas's behavior, in addition to the rumors concerning the deaths of Rohanne's four husbands and the two children who died, caused the number of suitors to be lower than would have been expected based on her beauty and status, but she did have several suitors. Among them were Cleyton Caswell and Simon Leygood, both rather persistent, and Ser Gerold Lannister, who sent her flattering letters from Casterly Rock, but whom Rohanne did not believe to be willing to leave the westerlands and his position at his brother's seat.

Lady Rohanne continued to rule Coldmoat in 211 AC, though she had only until the new moon to marry in order to keep her seat. When her people built a dam on the Chequy Water, Ser Bennis of the Brown Shield, working for Ser Eustace Osgrey, assaulted one of her workers. Ser Duncan the Tall came to Coldmoat on behalf of Eustace to pay the blood price, but she rejected the offer. Lady Rohanne brought her forces to the Chequy Water, where she was confronted by Duncan, Eustace, and Duncan's squire, Egg. She accepted a trial by battle, choosing Ser Lucas Inchfield as her champion to fight Eustace's champion, Duncan. Lucas Longinch was killed in the trial, however, and the valor of Duncan reconciled Eustace and Rohanne. Rohanne visited Addam Osgrey's grave at Standfast, and when she began to weep, Eustace comforted her. They married the next day, allowing Rohanne to keep Coldmoat.

During Duncan's attempts to defuse the feud between Eustace and Rohanne, he and she developed a certain attraction. When he woke after nearly being killed in the trial by combat and found Rohanne had married Eustace, and then never visited him while he was recovering, Duncan felt rejected. On the day he left Coldmoat, Rohanne tried to offer Duncan a place as captain of her guards, but he refused the offer. She then offered him one of her horses to give him something to remember her by, but Duncan refused that as well. At the conclusion of their argument, they kissed passionately, and Duncan cut off her famous braid to keep to remember her by.

Rohanne later married Lord Gerold Lannister and had four sons with him, twins Tywald and Tion, Tytos, and Jason Lannister. She was the grandmother of Lord Tywin, Ser Kevan, Gerion, Ser Tygett, Lady Genna, Lady Joanna, Ser Stafford, and Damon Lannister. Lady Rohanne disappeared under mysterious circumstances in 230 AC, less than a year after giving birth to Jason.

To spite the widowed Lord Gerold, Lady Ellyn Reyne named her first daughter, Rohanne Tarbeck, after Rohanne Webber in 240 AC, according to a semi-canon source.

This image will be featured on my upcoming map of the Westerlands.

[laannie0803]

Dunk, mejor conocido como Ser Duncan el Alto, fue un caballero errante originario del Lecho de Pulgas. Fue escudero de Ser Arlan del Árbol de la Moneda, compañero de Aegon V Targaryen y posteriormente Lord Comandante de la Guardia Real del mismo. Su emblema personal es una estrella fugaz verde sobre un olmo en campo de ocaso.

Es fuerte y rápido, siendo entrenado en justas y el manejo de la espada. Es un hombre humilde que se considera a sí mismo torpe y cabeza dura.

Los recuerdos más antiguos de Dunk son los de vivir como ladronzuelo en las calles del Lecho de Pulgas en Desembarco del Rey. Ser Arlan del Árbol de la Moneda tomó a Dunk como escudero y lo crió hasta su adolescencia. El optimismo humilde de Ser Arlan influenció la forma de ver la vida de Dunk, aunque el apodo constante de su protector, Dunk el Tocho, mermó su confianza en sí mismo.

Cuando Dunk tenía unos 16 años, Ser Arlan murió inesperadamente de camino a Vado Ceniza. Dunk enterró a Ser Arlan y decidió competir en el Torneo de Vado Ceniza él mismo. De camino, conoció a un chico con la cabeza rapada llamado Egg, quien le rogó ser su escudero. Dunk eventualmente accedió. Acamparon justo a las afueras de Vado Ceniza, bajo un olmo, donde vieron una estrella fugaz pasando por el cielo del ocaso. Para Dunk, el momento simbolizó los placeres humildes de la vida de caballero errante. En la mañana, Dunk vendió el equipo de Ser Arlan y compró una armadura de su tamaño. Necesitando un blasón, le pidió a una marionetista dorniense, Tanselle, que pintara su escudo: una estrella fugaz sobre un olmo en campo del ocaso.

Dunk sostiene ante los organizadores del torneo que Ser Arlan le nombró caballero antes de morir, pero nadie recuerda a Ser Arlan. Eventualmente, Dunk le pregunta a Baelor Lanzarrota, quien había justado con Ser Arlan en una ocasión, si recuerda al difunto caballero; Baelor le permite a Dunk participar en el torneo. Esa tarde, el príncipe Aerion Targaryen ataca a los marionetistas, que estaban representando la muerte de un dragón. Dunk ayuda a los dornienses, corrigiendo a Aerion a base de golpes en el proceso. Dunk es apresado por los guardias del príncipe, pero Egg, descubriendo su verdadera identidad como el príncipe Aegon Targaryen, le protege de mayores daños.

Aerion, en venganza, demanda un juicio de Siete, un juicio por combate de siete combatientes por lado. Egg ayuda a Dunk a encontrar aliados, los que en última instancia incluyen al mismo Baelor; sus aliados le ayudan porque consideran a Dunk un verdadero caballero, que recordó sus votos y ayudó a los débiles en vez de cerrar los ojos ante la conducta de un príncipe. Durante el combate, Dunk se enfrenta a Aerion y, debido a su inexperiencia con la espada y la lanza, casi muere. Usando su fuerza y las habilidades de lucha callejera que aprendiera en el Lecho de Pulgas, Dunk ataca a Aerion y le obliga a rendirse. La victoria es agridulce, pues dos de sus hombres mueren y, poco después, Baelor fallece por una herida en la cabeza recibida de su propio hermano. Estas muertes llenan de culpa a Dunk, especialmente la del príncipe heredero.

Luego del torneo, el padre de Egg, Maekar, le pide a Dunk que tome a su hijo como escudero oficial. Dunk accede, pero rechaza servir a la Casa Targaryen y rodearse de lujos, prefiriendo la vida de un caballero errante y enseñándole a Egg humildad, lo que su hermano mayor Aerion nunca aprendió.

Duncan y Aegon viajaron a Dorne, atravesando el Paso del Príncipe, y parando eventualmente en Vaith. Cruzando el desierto, uno de sus caballos murió, y Dunk y Egg tuvieron que montar en Trueno. Mientras que entre 209 y 210 d.C. la Gran Epidemia Primaveral asoló Poniente, Dunk y Egg la evitaron al encontrarse en Dorne, uno de los dos lugares a donde la peste no había llegado. Dunk y Egg tomaron una barca por el Sangreverde a los Tablones, donde tomaron el pasaje en la galeaza Dama Blanca hacia Antigua. A bordo del buque, Duncan tuvo su primera experiencia de combate naval cuando ayudó a repeler algunos asaltantes. En Antigua, visitaron al hermano de Aegon, Aemon.

Dunk y Egg viajan al Dominio y entran al servicio de Ser Eustace Osgrey de Tiesa, un caballero pobre. Junto al otro caballero al servicio de Ser Eustace, Ser Bennis el Moreno, descubren que algunos aldeanos de Lady Rohanne Webber de Fosafría habían tapiado el arroyo local, el río Jaquel. Bennis provocó a Lady Rohanne al herir a uno de sus hombres y Dunk tuvo que acudir a Fosafría para razonar con ella. A pesar de la tensión sexual en la conversación, Rohanne se rehusó a sacar el dique y le contó a Dunk sobre el apoyo y participación de Ser Eustace en favor de Daemon Fuegoscuro durante la Rebelión Fuegoscuro.

Choqueado por la revelación, Dunk intenta dejar el servicio de Ser Eustace, pero un incendio del bosque cercano hace a Dunk sospechar que Lady Rohanne ha empezado su campaña contra Ser Eustace. Luego de la huida de Bennis, Dunk y unos pocos campesinos son toda la defensa de Tiesa. Dunk hace que los campesinos se refugien y promete enfrentar a Lady Rohanne junto a Ser Eustace. Dunk se ofrece a zanjar el asunto con un juicio por combate y Lady Rohanne accede, enviando a su mayordomo, Ser Lucas Inchfield, a pelear contra Dunk. Una vez más, la fuerza y habilidades de pelea compensan la falta de maestría con la espada de Dunk. Mata a Ser Lucas, pero es herido de gravedad y casi se ahoga en el río.

Luego de recuperarse, Dunk descubre que Eustace y Rohanne han terminado con sus diferencias y planean casarse. Lady Rohanne la ofrece a Llama a Dunk, como un regalo por el papel que desempeñó en su reconciliación, pero este la rechaza, besa a Rohanne y corta un pedazo de su trenza como recuerdo. Luego, Dunk y Egg se van de Tiesa.

Dunk y Egg dejan Septo de Piedra y se dirigen al Norte, con la esperanza de entrar al servicio de Lord Beron Stark, quien ha llamado por hombres para defenderse de las redadas Greyjoy en la costa norte. De camino se encuentran con un septón que había sido decapitado por dar sermones de traición; Dunk recuerda que Lord Cuervo de Sangre tiene espías en todos lados. Se encuentran con Lord Gormon Peake, Lord Alyn Cockshaw y un hombre ricamente vestido que dice ser un caballero errante llamado Ser John el Violinista. Dunk es desafiado e insultado por Peake y Cockshaw, pero el Violinista lo trata con cortesía. Ser John invita a Dunk a la boda de Lord Ambrose Butterwell; habría una justa para celebrar su boda con una Frey del Cruce y el premio era un huevo de dragón. Durante el camino hacia la boda, Dunk se hace amigo de tres caballeros errantes. La boda se celebra en Murosblancos; luego de ver la lista de invitados, Egg le informa a Dunk que esta parece ser una excusa para una reunión de traidores pues casi todos los invitados habían peleado por los Fuegoscuro. Luego del encamamiento, Ser John se acerca a Dunk y le dice que lo ha reconocido: Dunk había aparecido en uno de sus sueños, en el cual Duncan vestía una armadura completamente blanca, como las de la Guardia Real. El Violinista le dice que sus sueños siempre se cumplen y que también soñó la muerte de sus hermanos y que un dragón eclosionaría de un huevo en Murosblancos.

Dunk entra en la justa como el Caballero del Patíbulo, una identidad como caballero misterioso, y pierde contra Ser Uthor Underleaf, quien casi lo mata. Al ir a entregarle su armadura y caballo tras el fracaso, Ser Uthor le dice que alguien le había pagado para matarlo y que lo habría hecho si le hubiesen dado más dinero. Antes de la que justa continúe, se extiende el rumor de que el huevo de dragón ha desaparecido. Se culpa a Ser Glendon Ball, quien es apresado por Peake. Dunk nota que Egg está perdido y parte en su busca. Durante la búsqueda, casi es asesinado por Alyn Cockshaw, quien había sido el que había pagado a Ser Uthor. Maynard Plumm interviene y envía a Dunk al septo, donde está Egg.

Dunk encuentra a su escudero y a un acobardado Lord Butterwell, quien ha descubierto la verdadera identidad de Egg. Egg le cuenta a Ambrose que él y Dunk eran espías enviados para investigar la boda y torneo y que su padre, el príncipe Maekar, se dirije ya hacia el lugar con un ejército. Esto es falso, pero sirve para asustar a Lord Ambrose. El hijo adoptivo de Butterwell, Tom Heddle, aparece e intenta herir a Egg, pero es asesinado por Dunk. Dunk le ordena a Egg que se marche junto a Lord Butterwell; para encubrir su escape, Dunk confronta a Daemon II Fuegoscuro, acusando a Gormon Peake de acusar falsamente a Ball por el robo del huevo de dragón.

Dunk encuentra a Lord Cuervo de Sangre en su pabellón, fuera del cual están las cabezas en picas de Peake y Tom Heddle. Lord Cuervo de Sangre, en gratitud, le da a Dunk el oro suficiente para recuperar su armadura y caballo. Le dice además que el huevo había sido hurtado por uno de sus agentes y que se encuentra seguro

Siendo aun un príncipe, Aegon desposa a Betha Blackwood; nombran a su primer hijo y heredero Duncan, quien es apodado Duncan el Pequeño en contraste a Dunk.

Luego de que Egg asciende al Trono de Hierro como el rey Aegon V Targaryen, éste le pide a Dunk ser parte de su Guardia Real, de la que eventualmente llegará a ser Lord Comandante.

Durante el reinado de Aegon V, Ser Duncan escolta al maestre Aemon y a Brynden Ríos al Muro por mandato del rey Aegon. También es el responsable de asesinar en combate al autoproclamado rey Daemon III Fuegoscuro en la que sería conocida como Cuarta Rebelión Fuegoscuro.

Luego de que el príncipe Duncan desposara a una campesina e hiciera caso omiso de su compromiso con la hija de Lord Lyonel Baratheon, éste monta en cólera y se declara en rebelión, autoproclamándose Rey de la Tormenta. Ser Duncan se enfrenta a Lord Lyonel en combate y sale victorioso, acabando con la rebelión del noble tormenteño. Para compensar el agravio, el rey Aegon V decide enviar a su hija menor, la princesa Rhaelle, como copera y dama de compañía a Bastión de Tormentas.

Dunk muere junto al rey Aegon y el príncipe Duncan en la Tragedia de Refugio Estival en circunstancias desconocidas; únicamente se hace referencia a que fue de manera honorable.

Por razones que se desconocen, un escudo con el emblema original de Dunk llega a la armería de Lord Selwyn Tarth en el Castillo del Atardecer. La hija de Lord Selwyn, Brienne, utiliza una copia de su emblema mientras viaja por las Tierras de los Ríos de incógnito.

Por correspondencia con el autor, George R. R. Martin, se especula que Dunk haya tenido hijos en sus aventuras por Poniente y que alguno de sus descendientes esté presente en la serie desde Tormenta de Espadas.

Si lo se, Chris Hemsworth hubiera estado mejor para Duncan y no lo pense bien, aun así hice dos con el principe de Once Upon a Time ya que en algunos dibujos de este personaje lo ponen de cabello corto y a veces casi rubio.

Dunk, better known as Ser Duncan the Tall, was a wandering knight from the Flea Bed. He was a squire to Ser Arlan of the Coin Tree, companion of Aegon V Targaryen and later Lord Commander of the Royal Guard of the same. His personal emblem is a green shooting star on an elm tree in a sunset field.

He is strong and fast, being trained in jousting and swordplay. He is a humble man who considers himself clumsy and hard-headed.

Dunk's oldest memories are of living as a petty thief on the streets of the Flea Bed in King's Landing. Ser Arlan of the Coin Tree took Dunk as a squire and raised him into his teens. Ser Arlan's humble optimism influenced Dunk's outlook on life, though his patron's constant nickname, Dunk the Bilge, eroded his self-confidence.

When Dunk was about 16 years old, Ser Arlan died unexpectedly on the way to Ashford. Dunk buried Ser Arlan and decided to compete in the Ashford Tournament himself. On the way, he met a boy with a shaved head named Egg, who begged him to be his squire. Dunk eventually agreed. They camped just outside Ashford, under an elm tree, where they saw a shooting star passing through the sunset sky. For Dunk, the moment symbolized the humble joys of the wandering knight life. In the morning, Dunk sold Ser Arlan's gear and bought armor his size. Needing a crest, he asked a Dornish puppeteer, Tanselle, to paint her shield: a shooting star on an elm in the sunset field.

Dunk claims to tournament organizers that Ser Arlan knighted him before he died, but no one remembers Ser Arlan. Eventually, Dunk asks Baelor Lanzarrota, who had just met Ser Arlan once, if he remembers the late knight; Baelor allows Dunk to participate in the tournament. That afternoon, Prince Aerion Targaryen attacks the puppeteers, who were enacting the death of a dragon. Dunk helps the Dornishmen, correcting Aerion with blows in the process. Dunk is captured by the prince's guards, but Egg, discovering his true identity as Prince Aegon Targaryen, protects him from further harm.

Aerion, in revenge, demands a trial of Seven, a trial by combat of seven combatants per side. Egg helps Dunk find allies, which ultimately include Baelor himself; his allies help him because they consider Dunk a true knight, who remembered his vows and helped the weak instead of closing his eyes to the conduct of a prince. During combat, Dunk confronts Aerion and, due to his inexperience with sword and spear, nearly dies. Using his strength and the street fighting skills he learned on the Flea Bed, Dunk attacks Aerion and forces him to surrender. The victory is bittersweet, as two of his men die and, shortly after, Baelor dies from a head injury received from his own brother. These deaths fill Dunk with guilt, especially that of the crown prince.

After the tournament, Egg's father, Maekar, asks Dunk to take his son as an official squire. Dunk agrees, but refuses to serve House Targaryen and surround himself with luxury, preferring the life of a wandering knight and teaching Egg humility, which his older brother Aerion never learned.

Duncan and Aegon traveled to Dorne, crossing the Prince's Pass, and eventually stopping at Vaith. Crossing the desert, one of his horses died, and Dunk and Egg had to ride Thunder. While between 209 and 210 AD The Great Spring Epidemic devastated Westeros, Dunk and Egg avoided it when they found themselves in Dorne, one of the two places where the plague had not reached. Dunk and Egg took a boat through the Green Blood to the Planks, where they took the passage on the White Lady galleys to Antigua. On board the ship, Duncan had his first experience of naval combat when he helped repel some attackers. In Antigua, they visited Aegon's brother, Aemon.

Dunk and Egg travel to the Domain and enter the service of Ser Eustace Osgrey of Tiesa, a poor knight. Together with the other knight in Ser Eustace's service, Ser Bennis the Brown, they discover that some of the Lady Rohanne Webber villagers of Coldmoat had blocked the local stream, the Jaquel River. Bennis provoked Lady Rohanne by wounding one of his men, and Dunk had to go to Coldmoat to reason with him. Despite the sexual tension in the conversation, Rohanne refused to remove the dam and told Dunk about Ser Eustace's support and involvement in favor of Daemon Darkfire during the Darkfire Rebellion.

Shocked by the revelation, Dunk attempts to leave Ser Eustace's service, but a fire in the nearby forest makes Dunk suspect that Lady Rohanne has started her campaign against Ser Eustace. After Bennis escapes, Dunk and a few peasants are Tiesa's entire defense. Dunk causes the peasants to take refuge and vows to confront Lady Rohanne alongside Ser Eustace. Dunk offers to settle the matter with a trial by combat and Lady Rohanne agrees, sending her butler, Ser Lucas Inchfield, to fight Dunk. Once again, strength and fighting skills make up for Dunk's lack of sword mastery. He kills Ser Lucas, but is seriously wounded and nearly drowns in the river.

After recovering, Dunk discovers that Eustace and Rohanne have ended their differences and plan to marry. Lady Rohanne offers her to Llama a Dunk, as a gift for the role she played in their reconciliation, but he rejects her, kisses Rohanne and cuts a piece of her braid as a memento. Later, Dunk and Egg leave Tiesa.

Dunk and Egg leave Stone Septo and head north, hoping to enter the service of Lord Beron Stark, who has called for men to defend himself against Greyjoy raids on the north shore. On the way they come across a septon who had been beheaded for giving treason sermons; Dunk remembers that Lord Blood Raven has spies everywhere. They meet Lord Gormon Peake, Lord Alyn Cockshaw, and a richly dressed man who claims to be a wandering knight named Ser John the Fiddler. Dunk is challenged and insulted by Peake and Cockshaw, but the Fiddler treats him courteously. Ser John invites Dunk to Lord Ambrose Butterwell's wedding; there would be a joust to celebrate his wedding with a Frey del Cruce and the prize was a dragon egg. On the way to the wedding, Dunk befriends three errant gentlemen. The wedding is celebrated in Murosblancos; After viewing the guest list, Egg informs Dunk that this appears to be an excuse for a gathering of traitors as almost all of the guests had fought for the Darkfires. After bedridden, Ser John approaches Dunk and tells him that he has recognized him: Dunk had appeared in one of his dreams, in which Duncan wore completely white armor, like those of the Royal Guard. The Violinist tells him that his dreams always come true and that he also dreamed of the death of his brothers and that a dragon would hatch from an egg in Whitewalls.

Dunk enters the joust as the Knight of the Gallows, an identity as a mysterious knight, and loses to Ser Uthor Underleaf, who nearly killed him. Going to deliver his armor and horse to him after the failure, Ser Uthor tells him that someone had paid him to kill him and that he would have done it if they had given him more money. Before the joust continues, a rumor spreads that the dragon egg has disappeared. Ser Glendon Ball, who is caught by Peake, is blamed. Dunk notices that Egg is missing and sets off in search of him. During the search, he was nearly killed by Alyn Cockshaw, who had been the one who had paid Ser Uthor. Maynard Plumm intervenes and sends Dunk to the sept, where Egg is.

Dunk finds his squire and a cowering Lord Butterwell, who has discovered Egg's true identity. Egg tells Ambrose that he and Dunk were spies sent to investigate the wedding and tournament and that his father, Prince Maekar, is already heading there with an army. This is false, but it serves to scare Lord Ambrose. Butterwell's adopted son, Tom Heddle, appears and tries to hurt Egg, but is killed by Dunk. Dunk orders Egg to leave with Lord Butterwell; To cover up his escape, Dunk confronts Daemon II Darkfire, accusing Gormon Peake of falsely accusing Ball of stealing the dragon egg.

Dunk finds Lord Blood Raven in his pavilion, outside of which are the spade heads of Peake and Tom Heddle. Lord Blood Raven, in gratitude, gives Dunk enough gold to recover his armor and horse. He also tells him that the egg had been stolen by one of his agents and that he is safe

While still a prince, Aegon marries Betha Blackwood; They name their first son and heir Duncan, who is nicknamed Duncan the Little in contrast to Dunk.

After Egg ascends to the Iron Throne as King Aegon V Targaryen, he asks Dunk to be part of his Royal Guard, of which he will eventually become Lord Commander.

During Aegon V's reign, Ser Duncan escorted Maester Aemon and Brynden Rios to the Wall at the command of King Aegon. He is also responsible for assassinating the self-proclaimed King Daemon III Darkfire in what would be known as the Fourth Darkfire Rebellion.

After Prince Duncan married a peasant girl and ignored his engagement to Lord Lyonel Baratheon's daughter, he flew into a rage and declared rebellion, proclaiming himself King of the Storm. Ser Duncan faces Lord Lyonel in combat and is victorious, ending the tormenteño nobleman's rebellion. To make up for the grievance, King Aegon V decides to send his youngest daughter, Princess Rhaelle, as a cupbearer and companion to Storm's End.

Dunk dies alongside King Aegon and Prince Duncan in the Summer Haven Tragedy under unknown circumstances; it only refers to the fact that it was honorable.

For unknown reasons, a shield bearing Dunk's original emblem arrives in Lord Selwyn Tarth's armory at Sunset Castle. Lord Selwyn's daughter Brienne uses a copy of her emblem as she travels the Riverlands incognito.

By correspondence with the author, George R. R. Martin, it is speculated that Dunk has had children in her adventures in Westeros and that some of her descendants have been present in the series since A Storm of Swords.

Yes, I know, Chris Hemsworth would have been better for Duncan and I didn't think twice, even so I did two with the prince from Once Upon a Time since in some drawings of this character they put him with short hair and sometimes almost blonde.

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So like Fire and Blood made me realize that a part of the Reach is really awfully misogynistic. Like you have the Tyrells who have perfected wives & female relatives (looking at you Olenna & Florence) acting through men to get things done. But then we have the Ser Eustace Osgrey, Lord Wyman Webber, and Lord Unwin Peake. Now there's plenty more terrible Reachmen but these are like the worst!

Many other people have said more eloquently why Ser Eustace is awful (and I shall link it when I'm not on my phone), so I won't go to much into it. But based on his former friend's actions I believe that had Lady Alysane Osgrey not been a hostage in Kingslanding Ser Eustace would have married her too young to an older man, possibly even older than himself. It's now basically part of my headcanon that she joined the silent sisters to escape that kind of fate and choose for herself.

Now we all remember Lady Rohanne Webber's 6 husbands. Her father Lord Wyman 1st married her off to an unnamed squire who was 2 years older than her. This husband died at age 12 in the 1st Blackfyre Rebellion. She was only 10. Now this marriage happened shortly after Ser Eustace proposed his son Addam as a groom. Part of me thinks this marriage was to spite Ser Eustace, perhaps loyalties for the Rebellion had already been made at this point and Wyman disapproved of Ser Eustace's choice. But regardless Rohanne was too young!! And her next marriage was even worse! At age 13 her father married her to a 54 year old man. At this point I feel Rohanne was definitely Lord Wyman Webber's only child (if he had any others to begin with) and definitely his heir. It boggles the mind that he would risk the life of his heir this way, let alone his daughter. Especially since she did get pregnant soon after, but the baby died soon after the birth. We already know in universe that they KNOW it's a bad idea for girls to get pregnant at this age!! It's dangerous to the mother AND child (which is what they all seem to care about more). Lord Webber is lucky Rohanne didn't end up like Lady Margaret Beaufort and become unable to get pregnant there after. What was he thinking? Was he hoping it would be a boy so he could just skip over Rohanne? Is a child lord so much preferable to men like him over a ruling lady? I assume by age 15 he had found her second husband, Ser Simon Staunton before his tragic chicken bone incident. And then he married her to Ser Rolland Uffering, and by 209 AC Lord Wyman must be desperate for a "proper heir" and he obviously does not think Rohanne can rule by herself, and when she refuses his choice of Ser Lucas Inchfield, he makes that AWFUL will that she has to marry within 2 years or his cousin Ser Wendell gets the Lordship. All in all Lord Wyman is a terrible father. Sure he may have taught Rohanne how to defend herself and her castle, but respect her, no way.

And finally we have the most terrible Lord Unwin Peake. He's terrible through and through but Fire and Blood really shows us how. But we're focusing on his terrible parenting, not how he's terrible in all other ways. 1st sign something isn't good is all 3 of his wives are dead and only 1 of his 7 children are alive. As that wasn't ominous enough we get the information that his eldest daughter lived long enough to be married and then die in childbirth at age 12! He probably didn't even have a reason for this marriage! Though he seemed to have learned something from the incident since his daughter Myrielle was unwed in 133 at age 14, though not by much. I can't even begin to imagine how awful it would be for Myrielle after she failed to secure Aegon for marriage. And despite the fact she is the only living child of Lord Unwin, she's not even names his heir! At least it seems like Rohanne was at least acknowledged as heir to Coldmoat during the awfulness her father put her through. It doesn't seem like Myrielle even has that comfort. And her poor eldest sister. She had brothers at the time so she was probably sent off to who knows where, dying in a place not her home surrounded by strangers. This Lady Peake would have had no comforts, no mother to come to her side and help her through her labor. And for what? Because her father had decide she was old enough. Truly, Unwin Peake is an awful person. You could not find good in him if you tried.

So yeah, looking at these men made me think how if someone was born in the Reach, you would rather be a Tyrell or a Hightower, or at least marry into those families. Because you don't want to get married into the Peakes or to these northern Reachmen, let alone born to them.

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How much power do legal wills have? Cersei ripped up Robert's but Daeron honored his father's commitments to the bastards. Rohanne would have lost her inheritance b/c of her father's.

I’m a bit out of my depth here because my knowledge of legal matters are fairly limited and I don’t have enough historical knowledge to pull from. My only source of info would be the text and the examples we have of legal wills so if you want a more comprehensive answere, you might be better served checking with someone like @racefortheironthrone for that.

As far as the text goes, we have a few examples of wills, most of which are related to matters of inheritance which makes things murkier, but they are still informative. The most famous - and infamous - will in Westerosi historiography is the one left by Aegon IV Targaryen in which he legitimized all his natural children on his deathbed. While Daeron II might not have appreciated his father’s last spiteful act and the dangers it brought, he was in no position to rescind a royal edict because to do so would be tantamount to denying that his father had the royal authority to legitimize bastards. Daeron couldn’t very well claim that he inherited his royal authority from his father (which he was very conscious to emphasize, as evidenced by him crowning himself with his father’s crown, to counter the doubts cast upon his own legitimacy by Aegon) and simultaneously try to argue that his father didn’t posses the full authority of a king. And since legitimizations can not be rescinded in general, there was nothing Daeron could do. Note that the continuance of incomes bestowed on Aegon’s natural children through Daeron’s reign was not a part of the will. Daeron II simply chose to allow them to continue, honored the betrothal Aegon made for Daemon and additionally granted him a tract of land to build a castle on, probably in the hopes that the crown’s generosity towards his newly legitimized siblings, especially Daemon who was primed for an attempted usurpation by the machinations of Aegon IV, would curtail any thoughts of rebellions.

Technically the same circumstances should have applied to Robert’s will naming Ned regent to his heir. That was a royal edict presented by the Hand of the King who, by law, speaks for the king in his absence. In normal circumstances, that will should have installed Ned as regent, as the king has the authority to choose the regent and Robert chose Ned. Cersei planned a coup though. With the exception of Barristan Selmy (who absolutely should have fought for Ned in that throne room but, well, Selmy tends to ascribe to a very narrow view of a Kingsguard’s duty and has shown an inability to take a stand in morally complicated situations), and Ned and his men who were promptly arrested and slaughtered respectively, everyone present was either Cersei’s man, in her pocket, or in Littlefinger’s. There was no one left to enforce Robert’s will after the showdown in the throne room and no one to challenge Cersei after she destroyed the physical will and accused Ned of treason.

Also a royal edict is Robb Stark’s will in which he legitimized Jon Snow as Jon Stark and names him his heir, but this one has its own complications. Between the fact that we don’t know where the written will is and that all the witnesses are in no position to do anything with the information; that Stannis Barartheon is in the North and that he definitely does not recognize Robb’s authority as king to accept his legitimization of Jon as a Stark and certainly not as the next King in the North; that Jon is dead and about to be resurrected which is bound to change a lot of things; that there are schemes aimed to bring Sansa and Rickon back to the North with the explicit goal to install each as the ruler of Winterfell by their own factions which will certainly conflict with the edicts in the will; that, oh yeah, Jon is not biologically Ned’s son which is known by Howland Reed (currently the host of Galbart Glover and Maege Mormont, two of the witnesses of Robb’s will), almost certainly known by Benjen Stark and is bound to be discovered by Bran Stark, I think it’s unlikely that it will be allowed to stand.

That leaves the two non-royal wills. The first one is the will left by Wyman Webber dictating that his daughter Rohanne had to marry within two year of his death or Coldmoat would go to her cousin. In normal circumstances Lady Rohanne might have had grounds to protest the unnecessary stipulation and argue that this will undercuts normal Andal-First Men succession laws but the cousin that was designated as heir in case she failed to meet her father’s conditions was married to her overlord’s sister so Lord Rowan was more prone to enforce Wyman’s will than to set it aside. Too, Ser Lucas Inchfield, her castellan and the man Lord Webber installed to “scare off unworthy suitors”, looked to use the will to corner her into marrying him so she wouldn’t lose her inheritance. It was pretty hard for Rohanne to challenge her father’s will without support from any side.

Lastly, there is the document Ramsay Snow forced Donella Hornwood to sign naming him heir to the Hornwood. Everything about this was made under duress and so should have easily been set aside but Ser Rodrik Cassel certainly seemed to give it weight when discussing the matter with Maester Luwin, despite the maester arguing that vows made at sword point do not count. But Cassel pointed out that Roose Bolton might not agree and try to press the claim. And while Robb probably wouldn’t have allowed the Boltons to appropriate the Hornwood if he’d survived, Roose’s treachery and alliance with the Lannisters meant that Wyman Manderly did have to concede the Hornwood lands that he seized after Lady Donella’s death to the Boltons on grounds of her marriage to Ramsay and her will.

It’s also worth mentioning that GRRM identified “will of the deceased” as one of the things that makes inheritance laws vague and contradictory, which suggests that this is one of the things that gives one a claim in succession. So I don’t think there is a clear cut answer, not in practice at least. It seems that, like inheritance laws, the acceptance of a will is as dependent on politics and force of arms as it is on legality. In a strictly legal sense, the king’s last will and testament should be binding as a royal decree otherwise his heir risks his own authority. But we’ve seen royal wills destroyed or ignored for the lack of an authority to enforce it. Vows made under duress shouldn’t count, but politics could force the recognition of a claim made through those vows. I think it’s mostly a case by case thing where the presence of an authority to either enforce or override a will, the political and/or military weight of the parties involved and the recognition of the authority of the testator and their right to make such a directive all play a part in whether a will is followed or not. At least that’s as far I can tell.

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House Words Wednesdays: House Inchfield

Welcome to House Words Wednesdays! Each week, I take a House without known canon or semi-canon words and present what I think could make sense as that House’s motto. You’re free to suggest more as well, if your favored House has not yet been suggested; take a look at this link to see what has already been suggested, and shoot me a tweet or ask through Tumblr if you have another House you’d like to see done.

House Inchfield is a noble House of the Reach, though unfortunately we know very little about its rank. My guess would be that the Inchfields are a very minor noble family, probably of the same vassal-of-vassal rank as the Webbers of Coldmoat (if not even maybe a step lower). The only modern Inchfield we have is Ser Owen Inchfield, one of the many reacher knights who joined Renly when the latter declares himself king. Owen Inchfield is notable only as an entrant in the horrific misogynistic “game” dreamed up by Ser Hyle Hunt and others at Highgarden; more forceful than some of the other competitors, Ser Owen seized Brienne and attempted to kiss her - only to find himself knocked ass-backwards into a cookfire as a result. (Go Brienne!)

The only historical Inchfield is Ser Lucas, a major character in the second of the Tales of Dunk and Egg, “The Sworn Sword”. Ser Lucas was made castellan of Coldmoat during the tenure of Lord Wyman Webber, and continued in that position for Lady Rohanne. Very tall - though furious to find a man in Dunk taller than he was - very ugly, and very fierce, “the Longinch” was charged by the dying Lord Wyman to protect Rohanne from all unworthy suitors (after Wyman Webber was unsuccessful in trying to wed Rohanne to Lucas himself); Ser Lucas, as the septon at Coldmoat revealed, had taken it upon himself as a result to scare away any possible suitor, so that Rohanne would be forced to marry him. At the final showdown between Eustace Osgrey and Rohanne Webber, Lucas Inchfield stood as champion for Lady Webber, and engaged in a one on one duel with Dunk. Like his probable great-granddaughter did with her Inchfield, though, Dunk used his size to his advantage, pushing Lucas down into the stream and killing him.

For the Inchfield words, I decided on Proved by Strength. The two Inchfields we’ve seen have both been eager to prove themselves by their physical strength - but in both cases, the only thing that's been proven is that they could (and should have) been beaten by those stronger in both physical and personal ways. Ser Lucas Inchfield prided himself on his imposing stature and cruel demeanor, relying on these to isolate the already culturally disadvantaged Rohanne Webber - but eventually found that he did not have the strength to match the (quite literally) upstanding Duncan the Tall. As for Owen Inchfield, he decided that he would bypass the more romantic avenues his fellow misogynistic knights did with Brienne and force himself on her, hoping his brute physical strength would force Brienne to give way - but instead, Brienne used her own strength to prove that she would not be taken by anyone against her will. 

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Would powerful nobles have their own courts at their personal castles, like the hightowers or redwynes or reynes would probably, but what about rowans or royces or brackens and blackwoods? what would those be like?

Absolutely. Indeed, we’ve seen examples of much smaller lords with their own courts: think about Lady Rohanne Webber, who has Septon Sefton and three septas, Maester Cerrick, Ser Lucas Inchfield her castellan, Lady Hellicent Uffering her former goodsister, a dozen knights and squires, and various pages. That’s a pretty significant household for a minor noble house. 

So for lords of the Rowans or Royces or Brackens or Blackwoods, imagine that but scaled up - add on the relatives of their vassals who might serve as pages, squires, castellans, masters-of-arms, stewards, ladies-in-waiting, add on the households of other noble families who’d married into the family (except much larger households than the occasional septon or unmarried sister, because one of the ways you demonstrate how awesome you are is to have a bigger retinue than anyone else), and so on and so forth. 

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A Knight of The Seven Kingdoms - “Ser Duncan the Tall and Ser Lucas Inchfield” by Gary Gianni

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Lady Rohanne Webber, apodada la Viuda Escarlata, fue cabeza de la Casa Webber y Señora de Fosafría durante el reinado de Aerys I Targaryen.

El viejo Sam Encorvado decía que Rohanne era una bruja, una envenenadora y cosas peores, y su esposa decía que ella no tenía hijos porque vendía las criaturas antes de nacer al Señor de los Siete Infiernos, a cambio de enseñarle sus artes oscuras.

Rohanne fue hija de Lord Wyman Webber, Señor de Fosafría. Durante su juventud, Rohanne se encariñó con un escudero al servicio en su hogar, Addam Osgrey; cuando el padre del joven se presentó a concertar su matrimonio, Lord Wyman lo rechazó. En vez de eso, Rohanne se casó a los diez años con su primer esposo, el escudero de doce años de su padre. Su esposo fue asesinado durante la Batalla del Prado Hierbarroja. Su segundo esposo fue un anciano que murió de una fiebre. Su tercer esposo, Ser Simon Staunton, se atragantó con un hueso de pollo y murió. Su cuarto esposo, Ser Rolland Uffering murió durante la Gran Epidemia Primaveral. Antes de su muerte, Lord Wyman intentó casarla con Ser Lucas Inchfield, pero ella se rehusó.

En su lecho de muerte, el padre de Rohanne encargó a Ser Lucas Inchfield deshacerse de cualquier pretendiente que no fuera digno de su hija, aunque en los dos años que siguieron, Inchfield intimidaría a cualquiera que llegaba a Fosafría. Mientras que circulaba la información sobre la muerte de los cuatro esposos, tal hecho provocó que el número de pretendientes fuera más bajo de lo que se esperaba. Entre los que tenía estaban Cleyton Caswell y Simon Leygood, ambos bastante persistentes, y Ser Gerold Lannister, quien le enviaba cartas desde Roca Casterly, pero a quien Rohanne no creía estar dispuesto a cambiar su asentamiento y las Tierras del Oeste por Fosafría.

Antes de su muerte, su padre dictaminó que si Rohanne no estaba casada antes del segundo aniversario de su muerte, las tierras y recursos de Fosafría pasarían a manos de su primo, Wendell Webber. Cuando Ser Duncan el Alto llegó a Fosafría como enviado de Ser Eustace Osgrey para solucionar el conflicto entre ambas casas, ella lo rechazó. Lady Rohanne llevó sus fuerzas al río Jaquel, donde fue confrontada por Ser Duncan, Ser Eustace y Egg. Aceptó zanjar el conflicto con un juicio por combate, eligiendo a Ser Lucas Inchfield como su campeón. Ser Lucas se enfrentó a Ser Duncan, pero perdió. El valor mostrado por Ser Duncan reconcilió a Ser Eustace y Rohanne, quien le culpaba de la muerte prematura de Addam. Poco después, Ser Eustace y Rohanne se casaron.

En circunstancias desconocidas, Rohanne se casó con su pretendiente Gerold Lannister. Tuvieron un matrimonio feliz y cuatro hijos, Tywald, Tion, Tytos y Jason. Sin embargo, en 230 d.C. y poco después de dar a luz a Jason, Rohanne despareció.

Es un personaje muy misterioso, se caso seis veces y debido a la época se le acuso de brujería. Pero, luego se caso con Gerold, el sobrevivió al matrimonio y le pudo dar hijos sanos y que vivieron cierto tiempo, para luego desaparecer!

Lady Rohanne Webber, nicknamed the Scarlet Widow, was head of the Webber House and Lady of Ditch during the reign of Aerys I Targaryen.

Old Bowed Sam said Rohanne was a witch, a poisoner, and worse, and his wife said she was childless because she sold the creatures before birth to the Lord of the Seven Hells in exchange for teaching her dark arts.

Rohanne was the daughter of Lord Wyman Webber, Lord of Fossafría. During her youth, Rohanne became attached to a squire serving her home, Addam Osgrey; When the young man's father showed up to arrange her marriage, Lord Wyman rejected her. Instead, Rohanne married at the age of ten to her first husband, her father's twelve-year-old squire. Her husband was killed during the Battle of the Prado Hierbarroja. Her second husband was an old man who died of a fever. Her third husband, Ser Simon Staunton, choked on a chicken bone and died. Her fourth husband, Ser Rolland Uffering died during the Great Spring Epidemic. Before her death, Lord Wyman attempted to marry her to Ser Lucas Inchfield, but she refused.

On her deathbed, Rohanne's father commissioned Ser Lucas Inchfield to get rid of any suitors who were not worthy of her daughter, although in the two years that followed, Inchfield would intimidate anyone who came to Fosafría. As information about the death of the four husbands was circulating, this fact caused the number of suitors to be lower than expected. Among those she had were Cleyton Caswell and Simon Leygood, both quite persistent, and Ser Gerold Lannister, who sent her letters from Roca Casterly, but whom Rohanne did not believe was willing to exchange her settlement and the Western Lands for fossafria.

Before her death, her father ruled that if Rohanne was not married before the second anniversary of her death, Fosafría's lands and resources would be transferred to her cousin, Wendell Webber. When Ser Duncan el Alto arrived in Fosafría as Ser Eustace Osgrey's envoy to resolve the conflict between the two houses, she rejected him. Lady Rohanne led her forces to the Jaquel River, where she was confronted by Ser Duncan, Ser Eustace, and Egg. She agreed to settle the conflict with a trial by combat, choosing Ser Lucas Inchfield as her champion. Ser Lucas faced Ser Duncan, but lost. The courage displayed by Ser Duncan reconciled Ser Eustace and Rohanne, who blamed him for Addam's premature death. Soon after, Ser Eustace and Rohanne were married.

Under unknown circumstances, Rohanne married her suitor Gerold Lannister. They had a happy marriage and four children, Tywald, Tion, Tytos and Jason. However, in AD 230. and shortly after giving birth to Jason, Rohanne disappeared.

She is a very mysterious character, she married six times and due to the time she was accused of witchcraft. But, later she married Gerold, he survived the marriage and was able to give her healthy children who lived for a time, and then disappeared!