#ls speculation

[howtosingit]

Obviously taking this with a grain of salt for now, but we might be meeting Enzo in season 5? 👀

[whatwouldeddiedo]

just rly don’t think they’re gonna kill him yall it just feels too hm like i know it’s hard to keep things under wraps when u film on the streets of la but also you can’t film w/o the house number on the coffin and the name on the turncoat and then edit them in in post? or did they blow the vfx budget on fake bees at the beginning of the season. they can’t film the trucks on the streets and the cast on a sound stage????? its al all so sus to me that they filmed all of this in broad daylight on weekend in la and had the cast like signing autographs and were letting people so close im sorry not 2 be a conspiracy theorist but i feel like there were ways to go about this that wouldn’t have been neon signs screaming WE ARE KILLING FIRE DAD THIS SEASON DESPITE 911 BEING THE WE DONT KILL MAINS FRANCHISE just seems weird u know

[gigigazelleloves]

One thing I love about Lone Star is the way they portray communication between Carlos and Tk. And this episode (5x08) got it to a tea on why they are such an amazing couple.

Let's start off with the fact that we start the episode off with Tk and Carlos on two different pages. Both of them are hyper fixated on different things.

Tk is consumed by the fact that his little brother is being sent away and he wants to prevent that from happening. He also promised his mom he would take care of his brother and he's very emotionally attached to her and that idea. Although Jonah would be safe in Switzerland, Tk feels like he's betraying his mother.

On the other hand Carlos doesn't want to be a father because he's afraid of his child feeling the same way about him as a father that he did about his own father. Now that his father's passed away he has even more complicated feelings about his relationship with his father and how he never fully got to heal his relationship with him. Considering he also is doing the same high demand dangerous job his dad has, he may also not want to carry the guilt that he may not return home one day, to his child.

They are both on different pages for different reasons and their first conversation about this topic is sudden which causes it to escalate and turn into an argument. Tk communicates that he's not ready to hear Carlos's thoughts fully yet and Carlos respects this, heading off to work.

Fast forward when they are working on the same scene, Carlos can tell that Tk is still upset by the situation and even though it's not affecting him doing it's job, the conversation that they had earlier is still making him upset and it is affecting his communication between him and Carlos.

Carlos recognizes this and decides to pull him aside to try and finish the conversation. Of course it gets interrupted by them finding a dead body but you can see that Tk appreciates that Carlos still pulled him aside to try and add some closure to the topic.

Even though they are going through a really rough time, you can see that their communication has evolved from them yelling at each other and getting heated to taking time to be with their feelings and recognizing each other's feelings. And I love to see it.

[ambernotember]

Can’t wait for the day they announce the spin off is 911: NYC The Owen Strand Show or 911: Hotshots 2 Electri-Brad Boogaloo

[dangerpronebuddie]

Been talking to a bunch of people about a bunch of things since that episode, and despite how mad I am, I still have hope. (Foolish? Quite possibly).

Hold onto your hoola hoops folks, this is long lol.

I'll start with the issue that affects the most characters: our beloathed bigot, Captain Gerrard. He has something against each and every one of the characters: race, gender, sexuality, what socks they wore on Thursday. This jackass hates everyone.

Judging by the still Tim shared, Ortiz had a hand in putting him in charge. It's honestly the most logical explanation since we could've easily had Hen or even Chim as captain again if push came to shove (and captain Han again could've been really interesting considering 6x14 but I digress). Regardless, he's there. And he's going to make everyone's lives misery. And no one is going to let him. He's intruding on a family. Not one of them is going to willingly stay silent. It's much more likely they'll have to hold each other back.

The one person that likely won't stick up for them? Tommy. Don't attack me yet, hear me out. We know how he was in the Begins episodes. But when he came back in 7x03 he had a dry sense of humor and an attitude that could've mixed well with the 118 (I'll admit it. I liked him in 7x03). But 7x04 emphasized not only Buck's jealousy that Eddie was spending time with Tommy, but also Tommy's jealousy of Buck and the fact he has a family at the 118 and with the Diaz boys. He has high expectations and gets pissed when they aren't met (re: expecting Buck to be completely comfortable and out for their first date just days after their kiss and then leaving him on the curb when he wasn't). He dismisses Buck's wants and concerns (not even trying for the bachelor party and then waving off Buck's worry over Bobby because his real dad's alive). That last bit, that 7x10 scene was quite deliberate.

I'm not going to get into the kink joke. That's not even an issue. But Buck was worried about his surrogate dad and wanted someone to lean on, only for Tommy to dismiss said worry and then spin it to be "woe is me" about how he didn't have that found family, or a real family. The jealousy he feels towards present day 118 keeps on being addressed. Any topic Buck discusses with him is waved off as if it means nothing. What does that mean for Gerrard being back?

Well. Tommy's "tough luck kid" attitude towards Buck isn't likely to stop. They've made no move to suggest it will. So when Buck wants to vent about how bad Gerrard is, Tommy is going to dismiss it. "I had to put up with it too, ya know." No empathy, no support, just diminishing valid worries and making Buck the butt of the joke, as always. (Side note: see a pattern? Any specific characters ring a bell... at all?)

Why does this matter? Jealousy started this relationship. Jealousy will end this relationship. Just like Abby finding herself started and ended that, Buck's job started and ended Ali, Taylor's job started and ended that, and Buck's death started and ended Nat. Jealousy (in general and involving Eddie) started BT. Catch my drift? When Tommy gets jealous that the 118 stick up for one another and support one another and when he sees Buck and Eddie lean on each other more and more, he's not going to stick around long. Will it be a confrontation? Most likely. Unless he gets the LI treatment and it happens off screen. I think it would be more fulfilling on screen and show the most growth from Buck, like the Taylor breakup did.

As for dealing with the bigot himself, he's either going to be reported, replaced, or rigor mortised. I see Bobby having to do some intense healing both physically and mentally before he returns either to work in general or as Captain (I really have no idea whether they'd basically demote him to have Gerrard or not. I don't get it pero ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯). Also, his heart stopped for 14 minutes and he just walked away?? Sure, Jan. But maybe it's a 911 miracle. Or it could be like Buck in 3x01. An injury you think is completely fine only for it to come back to haunt you. But considering Bobby mirrors Eddie, it's much more likely his mental health takes the biggest hit and gets to heal (unlike my poor Eddie. I'm still so pissed. More on that later). He also resigned. That has to be fixed. He'll probably be forced into therapy, either by the department or Athena (who should go herself and I'd be incredibly disappointed if she didn't suggest he see someone). And once that's all dealt with, he'll be back to work. How long that will take? Don't know. Whether he directly replaces Gerrard or if the jackass is already gone when he gets back? Also don't know. (Little side note that's totally unrelated: I want to see Eddie as Captain at least once. It would be interesting to see).

And then there's Ortiz, the supposed puppet master. Drama for the sake of drama. I think they just couldn't have more than two or three happy characters in a finale so they decide to traumatize the children and torture Hen and Karen as usual. I hate it. But I'm focusing on what they'll do with it. I've hated storylines before and some have been resolved, some have been dropped (for now). But what they'll do with this woman? I don't know. Will she find out Madney has Mara and go after them? I don't know. Her end goal and their plan for her is the one thing I simply cannot figure out (yet).

And the most heartbreaking and infuriating of all... My Diaz boys. I cannot begin to tell you how upset I am over that. I can't. There's so much they could've done instead and so much I hate about what they did. These boys have been fighting since day one to heal and as soon as they take a step forward, they're yanked five steps back and punished for being in pain. I cried twice yesterday talking about Chris. So I won't get into all that. My anger is not the point.

Right now, Helena is the victor. She proved herself right. Eddie is unfit, incapable, unstable. She didn't want Eddie to drag Chris down with him and Eddie has spent the entire time since she said those words preventing it. He's tried to show Chris they're enough just the two of them, that no one can tell Chris he's different, that people do stay, that running from the problem won't sto-

*Record scratch*

Yeah.

Eddie learned from experience that the Diaz way of handling everything (re: not at all) doesn't work. You can't run from the problem and expect it to go away. That's how you start piling up those boxes Frank warned him about. He knows that running doesn't work, and he (and Buck) have consistently shown Chris that staying is what matters (insert Buck's definition of love). But Helena and Ramon just showed Chris he can run from his problems.

Now, Chris is a smart kid. Like Carla said, I think he understands a lot more than we'd like him to. 7x01 broke my heart when he admitted that love didn't matter because everyone just leaves anyway. He's still in the mindset that whether or not you stay makes no difference. He's going to realize that, in fact, it does. Because the way Eddie loves him is vastly different than the way his grandparents do. And it won't take long for him to realize that. The only way Helena will see that Eddie is a good dad is if Chris confirms it.

Whether or not he and Eddie will have patched things up by the time he wants to go home is still up in the air. I think I would personally prefer to see the work they put in to repair this. I love how Eddie and Chris communicate. No matter the issue, they always talk about it eventually. It may take a little bit for them to get to that point, but when they do it's beautiful to see (the skateboard, Eddie's therapy, Chris' independence).

And speaking of communication, can they please clarify that Eddie only hugged Kim???? Everyone acted like they found them in bed together! I need that cleared up because the reactions from the others were disproportionate. (Chris I understand, but Buck implied Eddie and Kim slept together and so did the parents. Bad editing. Happened a lot this season).

As for buddie, I have no complaints on them this season at all. The communication, the openness, the vulnerability they had with each other was remarkable. We made headway this season. And now, for however long Chris is away, Eddie and Buck will only be BuckandEddie. They are the only thing each of them is allowed to have, and I'm really hoping they actually lean into that. Feelings realization on one part at the very least. What sparks it? Who knows! It could be Chris' absence making them reexamine their relationship, Tommy pointing out their bond, one of them getting hurt and the other absolutely losing it (Drown Buck 2024/ Trap Eddie 2024). (I have way more buddie specific specs but here isn't the place for them all lol). The possibilities there are endless. And I am excited for it, despite of- and in spite of- that finale.

Am I still incredibly pissed at the episode? Yeah. Was the season lackluster overall? Also yeah. Ten episodes and constantly changing plans doesn't make for a good season. But I'm still going to stay hopeful. It's a beautiful story and I'm letting them tell it, but these bonkers decisions really need to be fixed. And soon.

Anyway, if you read this I love you 🩷 (and tell me your own specs/ hopes for the next season!)

[rainbowskittle]

We need Ravi Begins!!!

We need Josh Begins!!!

We need Christopher Begins!!!

We need May Begins!!!

We need Tarlos and Buddie to hang out together in LA!!!

We need pride parade of all the couples together!!!

We need all the mains to have begins .. again! I don’t know love the flashback stories just as much as I love the now story.

[alrightbuckaroo]

so what i'm hearing is my fantasy of carlos becoming all consumed with his father's murder to the point of having it affect their marriage and push them to communicate in ways they never have before might be coming true

[o0anapher0o]

So the 'new baby' is going to be Nancy's right? Unless Marjan's 'massive episode 10 story' is oops I got pregnant from my first ever boyfriend who I'm, a deeply religious person, are not married to, which yuck.

But for Nancy it would make sense. With Tommy already gone and TK likely leaving his job to become a full time dad, Nancy would be last paramedic standing and we know how hard it is for her to loose her partner (and her and TK becoming parents at around the same time would be adorable) . Plus a baby (and/or marrying the mother of his baby) would be a neat solution to Mateo's residency status, which is apparently going to be an issue.

[lover-of-mine]

Okay god what?!! Like why but your last post reminded me of that ep form LS when (spoilers?) TK had to go back to NYC to attend his mother's funeral then the plane's engine sort of exploded midair so they were going down and Carlos down there in the airport going thru the nine circles of hell on a loop all of that happening while TK having some sort of his begin ep so lots of flashbacks involved. All of this is for me to say, what if this is how deaddie wins??? Like Eddie going to el Paso to get Chris, plan crushes, bam presumed dead Eddie, buck going thru it and Eddie is having his queer/what's the meaning of life epiphany while trying to get back to his family Eddie begin 2.0 style!!!

Like this would be so neat me thinks even if the show never went there I want 10 fic out of this stat

DUDE I WAS LITERALLY THINKING ABOUT THE LONE STAR PLOT WHEN I STARTED THINKING ABOUT SOMETHING HAPPENING TO THE PLANE. Especially because the ls plot is about family and it could be interesting bonding for Eddie and Chris if something happens to the plane with both of them in it, but something happening to the plane Eddie is in while going to get Chris and he never gets there? Can have some fun repercussions EVERYWHERE. Eddie thinking he might die without making things right with Chris, contemplating life because he almost died again? Buck going absolutely batshit insane because something might happen to Eddie? Ugh, someone write this PLEASE

[rockermybuddie]

I knew something was going to be up with Ranger Campbell the second i saw him.

Honestly i dont think Carlos should of even joined the Teaxs rangers but i understand it fitted his story line.

Im so sad that this is Lone Stars last season. I love the characters.

Im just sad that they gave Tommy cancer and then Tarlos keeps fighting.

[howtosingit]

One thing that is starting to feel inevitable is that the only way Fox will probably be able to make a deal for a 6th season is for the show to undergo more principal cast changes. I think Fox wants to keep LS and I think Rob Lowe wants to stay at Fox (he's their golden boy after all), so if Fox can lock in a deal, season 6 will definitely include Rob Lowe, but who else would be asked to stay? The departure of Sierra makes it pretty clear that Fox (and 20th Century) considers everyone else expendable to an extent and would be fine to continue the show without them. Fox has even talked for years about running this show with ever-changing casts, but which cast members would Fox fight to keep for longer outside of Lowe, and which ones would even be willing to return... and what kind of contract will they be willing to accept for it?

[lavenderrdaughter]

i swear to god if they stick tarlos with a child i WILL scream

[sickofthistoxicshit]

Aww everyone is like T will help with landing the plane.

Pfff no, my darlings, this is the seasonal Athena - bathena- special.

Like the cruise, she will land the plane, and the firefighters on the ground, will get the same participation trophy they did last season when they will show up to only help people off the plane and tend to the injured.

Told you before this season started, anything you come up with will be way more inventive than what the writers can come up with.

[carlos-in-glasses]

Thank you for what you said, it's so comforting to hear! I think a lot of people are feeling scared and upset and are maybe not totally comfortable speaking up, but reading what you said makes me feel like my feelings are valid so thank you! And you will definitely not be alone!

Ah I'm so glad to know it's brought you comfort ❤️ Thank you for saying this to me too. I put it under a read more because I wanted to say it but I worried about it fanning flames at a time when we don't know actual details, and we have no idea when thorough information will come. It's like being in the dark and hearing something roar.

What's the opposite of a battle cry? A cuddle cry? It's a cuddle cry to the fandom. It's a love note to the fandom. We can keep going. We are allowed to keep going. This is true or any show or movie franchise or OTP etc, no matter how much source material there actually is. It is ours, we are here, making the best of it. We are going to be ok, I promise with everything I've got.

[gigigazelleloves]

Season 5x07 911 LS leaks

[thebumblecee]

Nancy bb I love you but where the FUCK is Tommy