#love you saint uwu

[gemkun]

🖤 memmemememememememe for gem

send 🖤 and my character will answer about yours.

attractiveness:

repulsive / hideous / ugly / not attractive / unappealing / not unattractive / meh / no preference / ok / mildly attractive / nice looking / cute / adorable / attractive / pleasant on the eyes / good looking / hot / sexy / beautiful / gorgeous / hot damn / would tap that / perfect / godlike / holy fuck there are no words.

note: idfk what u look like but i imagine ur stinky

personality:

grating / irritating / frustrating / boring / confusing at best / awkward / unreasonable / psychotic / disturbing / interesting / engaging / affectionate / aggressive / ambitious / anxious / artistic / bad tempered / bossy / charismatic / appealing / unappealing / creative / courageous / dependable / unreliable / unpredictable / predictable / devious / dim / extroverted / introverted / egotistical / gregarious / fabulous / impulsive / intelligent / sympathetic / talkative / up beat / peaceful / calming / badass / flexible.

note: all that biting and green hot dogs

how likely they would have sex with them:

not if they were the last person on earth and the world was ending / fuck no! / never / no way / not likely / not sure / indifferent / I’m asexual / maybe / probably / it depends / fairly likely / likely / yeah sure / yes / would tap that / hell yes / fuck yes! / wishing that could happen right now / as many times as possible / we are already having sex.

level of friendship:

never in a million years / worst of enemies / enemies / rivals / indifferent / neutral / acquaintance / friendly toward each other / casual friends / friends / good friends / best friends / fuck buddies / bosom buddies / practically the same person / would die for them / true friends / my only friend.

first impression of them:

i hate them so much / i don’t like them / i don’t trust them / they annoy me / they’re weird / I’m indifferent / meh / they seem alright / they’re growing on me / truce / I think I like them / I like them / I’m not sure if I trust them / I trust them / they’re cool / they’re genuine / I think we’re going to get along / I really like them / I think I’m in love / oh fuck they’re hot / I love them.

note: i may have simped initially but ne ways

current impression of them:

i hate them so much / i don’t like them / i don’t trust them / they annoy me / they’re weird / I’m indifferent / meh / they seem alright / they’re growing on me / truce / I think I like them / I like them / I’m not sure if I trust them / I trust them / they’re cool / they’re genuine / I think we’re going to get along / I really like them / I think I’m in love / oh fuck they’re hot / I love them.

[feroluce]

Thinking tonight about Caelus, and the nature of his loss and his grief after the Everything that went down in Penacony during 2.0.

Because Acheron, Black Swan, and Misha kind of knew of Firefly, they at least met her, but they didn't like really know her, and Caelus never even got the chance to introduce her to the rest of the Astral Express Crew. The only person who would have talked to her much was Sparkle, who is. Probably not really someone Caelus is interested in grieving with skznmsks

Anyway, all this to say, I like thinking about how alone poor Caelus is in his grief, because he was the only one who knew Firefly. He's the only one really mourning her. There's no one to talk about her with. There's no stories to trade or memories to reminisce with anyone over. It's not as though he knew her for long, but still. No one else knew her at all.

And I love the thought of all of this coming bubbling up, hot and acidic and bitter, during a conversation with Sampo, who Caelus just so happens to run into in the Golden Hour. Poor Sampo is kinda blindsided, he knew shit was going down in Penacony, but yeesh. And he just. Isn't quite sure what to say about it all, because he's never really encountered this before. His feelings about the Masked Fools are...a mixed bag, but he's been a part of them for a very long time, and when you're with a close organization like that, it's hard to feel alone, in grief or otherwise.

So Sampo sits there on their little bench that the two of them have occupied, and he thinks of his old friend April, how she'd died in his arms cackling and spitting her own blood after a heist gone wrong, and how after he'd dragged himself back to the World's End Tavern they'd all held a Fool's Funeral- which is basically just a big party where everyone gets really really drunk and reminisces and toasts the dead and celebrates their life.

He still thinks about her a lot, and he remembers how the time he'd most keenly felt her absence was on Jarilo-VI, the one place where he couldn't talk about her because he couldn't say anything to give himself away as an alien. The Fools still tell stories about her every time he goes back to the Tavern. His first toast of the night is always in her name. Even now, all these years after she'd died, Sampo is still learning new things about her. He's never had to grieve her alone.

Caelus doesn't have any of that.

He might never have that. As they speak, Caelus has no proof that Firefly was even her real name, or if she dreamt with her true appearance. He might not ever find out who she even was.

And just imagining that kind of loneliness hollows out a strange little pit, right behind his sternum, deep between his ribs.

So Sampo claps Caelus' shoulder and offers him a deal. Come find him outside of the dream. He knows a guy who can get them a lot of beer for really cheap-

("Is that guy you and your five finger discounts?" "Whatever do you mean, dear friend, I don't even know the meaning of the phrase, hehee.")

-and they can hole up in a bar or a hotel room or something, and get completely shitcanned. Tell him all about Firefly, tell him everything, and he'll tell Caelus about April and everyone else he's ever lost. Sampo will carry Caelus' memories of Firefly with him, and at least this way, Caelus will be a little less alone in remembering her. And the next time they cross paths, Sampo will be the one to bring her up, and to tell her stories, and Caelus can get to be the one listening. He won't have to be the only person to talk about her anymore.

Caelus rolls his eyes when Sampo avoids another remark about sticky fingers, but...ok, yeah. That sounds good. Nice, even. Thank you. Caelus bumps his shoulder against Sampo's. Sampo bumps back.

(They find each other again the next day, and true to their word, get themselves completely and utterly shitcanned. Caelus talks more than Sampo has ever heard him; every minute detail, every word choice, Firefly's every odd little mannerism and habit. Because Caelus wants to make sure this will outlive him, that even if the Stellaron dwelling within him finally burns him to a crisp and he really does up and kick the bucket, or even, godforbid, if he forgets, he wants to make sure someone remembers her. She deserved that.)

((And it takes quite a while, after that. Caelus doesn't see Sampo again until after everything has settled down. On his last day in Penacony, he finds the guy slinking out of a seedy back alley and all but runs right into him. Sampo happily leads him to some dive bar in an even seedier back alley that Caelus has never even heard of, and Sampo raises his glass. "To Firefly! Who sounds like she probably would have hated me at first, but I would have liked to have met her anyway."

And Caelus stares at him, almost looking startled, long enough that Sampo worries that he's read him wrong and brought this up too soon. He's halfway into planning how to talk himself out of this situation when Caelus finally throws back his head back and laughs, tells him that yeah, Firefly would have politely called him out on every lie he told, and all their conversations would take twice as long with the way Sampo is so full of shit.

And he can see it, the same way he watches and sees through everyone, that Caelus' eyes have a tightness to them, his knuckles are nearly white around the handle of his mug. But he smiles. He hits his glass against Sampo's far too hard and throws it back and gets foam everywhere like he does every time they drink because the guy's about as elegant as a raging bull, but those things don't lessen the genuineness of his smile.

The grief is there, but so is the elation, and those emotions aren't a sliding scale between one or the other. It is all of both and both at once, and that's what contents Sampo enough to throw his own mug back when Caelus makes a toast of his own, "to April!!".))

[alienfreak124]

I love yall but I can NOT hold y’all’s hand through this one😭

He’s such a well written character but his manipulation worked too well on a couple of yall. Just because he’s hot doesn’t mean that excuse the fact he’s batshit crazy- everything he’s done is just to get close enough to MC and keep them to himself for selfish and perverted purposes. Of course you can like a character but omg?? It fr gets to a point. Yall treated jimmy the way he deserved when everyone pieced together what he did to Anya, why are yall treating Sol like some saint-borderline DEFENDING HIM. just cause he has his uwu shy boy cute moments. ER❌ER WAKE UP FOREHEAD. His true intentions shows who he is as a man and whoever excuses his behavior just because yall fell victim to his charm is delusional.

Like him as a character, not as a person

[valehour]

I swear to god if I read one more "Messmer/Marika did nothing wrong" post I'm gonna fucking lose it.

Guys, Gals, Nonbinary Pals etc.

Be fucking serious.

it's somewhat obvious that Marika's people's oppression, and the subsequent domination of the social order was inspired by christianity's oppression and then rise to power within the roman empire- going on to be the dominant religious order which, in turn, persecutes religious minorities. Like. that's only just subtext by tooth and nail. It does not at all justify either religious regime's atrocities. It is Exceedingly obvious the game expects you to understand that, to quote Leda "They [the hornsent] were never saints, they were just on the losing side of a war". this line, alongside the black knight helmet, and the crusade insignia Expects us to understand that maybe the whole "Marika ordering a crusade to genocide a people in the name of revenge" is wrong, actually.

As for Messmer, he is indeed a victim of Marika, like most of the demigods. it's just that he's also (arguably Firstly) a willing collaborator in these atrocities, he's not an innocent uwu snake sadboy.

If we are forced to compel a singular unnuanced 1 dimensional archetype onto Messmer, the game expects us to understand that it's "Demon King". he's doing Authurian Romance Villain shit as filtered through the lens of dark fantasy. it's not a coincidence that most of the information about him comes from other people about how much he's personally destroyed their lives. He lives in a castle called the "Shadow Keep" for god's sake, his soldiers torment the people and we, adventuring wanderers and followers of grace/Miquella fight and defeat him, which, were this a traditional story ultimately lets us access Enir-ilim and fix things. That were this a tradiitonal story, then defeating the "Demon King" sets the land back to right by enshrining the True, Good King (or god, such as Miquella is, in this case).

The fact it doesn't is the complication to this otherwise simple story- the fact that Messmer is also a victim of Marika's pursuit of revenge is important nuance, and adds to the tragedy of this story- simply killing The Bad Guy In Charge doesn't fundamentally fix things. It's that complication that makes them so deeply fixating as people. But there is a mountain of difference between "I find Messmer's tragedy Sympathetic and Compelling (and thus want to fuck him)" and "Messmer did nothing wrong". You do not get the title "The Impaler" by being innocent.

you are, in fact, allowed to be horny for the snakeboi or for Marika without actively ignoring the realities of their casual brutality. Actively making a pair of complicated, messy, tragic characters into something simple and easily digestible for maximising fuckability is not a sign of like, actually liking them. Love your genocidal warmongers as they brutally murder civilians or like, admit you don't actually like them, you like the flanderised imaginary version of them- an attraction no more substantive than the kind of R34 art that gives Ranni tits and hips broad enough to change her aspect ratio, instead of her cool weird fucked up doll body. You Cowards.

[mistress-of-vos]

I'd make a longer post (and maybe one day I will) but since Lore Olympus, the story that introduced me to webtoons is coming to an end I'd like to say something:

I can't believe it is considered problematic. It has to be one of the sweetest, fluffiest, simplest stories I have read (hence why I still like it, it's a relaxing read before bed) and somehow it got too "kinky" for mainstream. It's laughable.

Everytime I dare to click on their tag or look for the # on Twitter or FB I see people clutching their pearls as if Lore Olympus were brainwashing teenagers into marrying a non existent God of the dead and have babies with him. What the hell?

The fact that people think LO is too dark makes me laugh. A single episode of Rick&Morty, BoJack Horseman or HQS has way more explicit content and dialogue. In fact!!! If it were up to me LO would have gotten genuinely kinky!!! All it does is have some surface spicy tropes that get sugar coated to not make puritans awkward and tbh that's sad. LO and the author get terribly hated anyway for daring to portray the most common female fantasy.

And this all makes me laugh but also mad because you'd think LO at least has some genuine dark themes but no? At most we have Persephone's trauma due to Apollo's abuse and yet that topic is treated as a therapy pamphlet because people couldn't handle an imperfect victim. Hades is a wife guy who shows little to no anger. Hera was re written to be sort of a feminist so that people stopped being annoying about women having emotions.

LO is a sweet, simple story with tiny spicy things here and there that were eventually pushed aside because people couldn't handle it. I wonder how Rachel feels about this, because at the beginning the story was extremely spicy and the only crime was being published in a platform as webtoon, full of people who can't differentiate reality from fiction.

Is LO a masterpiece? Idk! I enjoy the story, it's very self indulgent for me, but I won't go and analyze every detail to see how it should be labeled as it's not meant to be a perfect media. It's meant to be an entertaining, nice story of romance and it does that job very well. This need to demand perfect writing while also crucifying authors over "dark" themes is ridiculous and contradictory.

And I keep wondering, if these people loathe LO so much, why dedicate all that time to the infinte posts they make about how they would have told the story? And all those re tellings are boring! It's always "So Persephone and Hades won't ever kiss here because she's a lesbian. Also he doesn't appear at all. And Demeter isn't an abusive mom! Oh and everyone is ugly because gods shouldn't be beautiful! And Apollo isn't evil he's uwu baby. And no toxic relationships here, Zeus is a good husband!"

Sweet Gaia, you guys wouldn't handle Saint Seiya having Athena in the body of a teenage girl with big tits and who's constantly in the edge of breaking her virginity vows. This attitude screams of jealousy and puritanism and both are disgusting.

TLDR: LO being too problematic for people is both funny and annoying. I wished it actually were as kinky and dark as people insist it is. I'd pay for a toxic romance, but that being said, I LOVE it very much as it is and it's nice to have a re telling that, while not pretending to be loyal to mythology, didn't go for a route of sanitizing all the myths. I hope that once it ends haters will move on and let real fans and the author alone. 🙏

[smhalltheurlsaretaken]

being a fan of (movie) loki is kinda hard. everytime i rewatch parts of the mcu i'm drawn again by how compelling of a character tom makes him, and then i get back into the fandom to get more of him and he's just a flat, tragic, persecuted saint who has never done anything wrong and is unfairly hated by everybody and how dare these meanies he tried to massacre still hold a grudge don't they know he was MIND CONTROLLED???

and like, to each his own, but the tragic and eminently sympathetic qualities of loki work better in conjunction with his more awful character traits imo. sure, watching the first thor movie really makes you see odin dropped the ball in significant ways if loki turned out this desperate for approval and recognition but you can have that without making odin into a monster, idk. similarly, having thor be the one who should do the groveling and apologize over and over again for having been an immature prick growing up kinda rings hollow to me with how much good he strives to do when loki really doesn't for his first three movies.

movie!loki is vicious, that's why i like it so much when his barriers crack and he can't hold back his genuine love for his family. i want him so bad to be good but not in this wishy-washy, 'he was only ever lonely and sad and nothing else and he didn't mean to hurt anybody uwu' kind of way (that the show leaned into imo.) i prefer the brutally honest 'yeah, he wanted to hurt the people around him because he was in pain and lashing out, and now he's moved beyond that'

[showtoonzfan]

I will admit, sometimes I love looking at Viv’s liked tweets because they’re so ironic and hilarious.

This tweet is a jab at fandoms being sexist, favoring the male characters more but always shitting on the female characters simply because they feel negative emotions or god forbid they’re flawed themselves. The tweet itself speaks facts as I’ve seen MANY fandoms act like this, (especially if the male characters aren’t saints either but end up getting rooted for while the female characters don’t) but for Vivzie to like it despite the fact that she does exactly this is funny, cause in my opinion this tweet can resonate with writers too.

In Vivzie’s case the female characters that Blitz and Stolas have wronged are either portrayed as bitches or obstacles, all because of favoritism towards the males. Stella, Verosika, and even Barbie are supposed to come off as bitchy for breaking the males Uwu hearts, and Octavia is always upset with her father who’s supposed to be this imperfect little angel. Even if the show establishes that these characters were hurt by Blitz and Stolas, the show at the end of the day wants you to take their side and feel more bad for THEM rather than the people they actually wronged, and because the writing on this show is sexist as hell and so is the fandom, everyone roots for the problematic male characters but demonizes the female ones. Viv babies Blitz and Stolas cause they’re her favorite uwu soft bois but certainly not the female characters, nor cares to expand on them WITHOUT surrounding it on Blitz and Stolas’s trauma. She IS bad at writing women. It’s just very ironic lol.

[ilikekidsshows]

I almost feel bad for the Marinette stans that are still fighting tooth and nail to claim that Marinette would never use Adrien's amoks

Like.. guys, what show are you watching? If Marinette knows an option exists, she will eventually justify maxing it out to her advantage. Sure, she wont do it willy-nilly for no reason, but I can easily see it happening that if Adrien were to now want to go back to working in his father's business because he's Gabriel's heir so he can take it over when he's of age to not lose the business his saint of a father built for them

Yeah, Marinette would justify using the amoks against him to change Adrien's mind to wanting to take over her parents' bakery for example because him going back is "wrong" and she knows what's "right". Adrien has no reason anymore to not wanting to go back to working in the Gabriel business. He thinks he owes his dead family to keep their legacy going. Adrien is all that's left of the Agreste's, s5 brought this up several times.

Marinette saying at the end of season 5 that Adrien "doesn't need to be as great as his hero father. She loves him anyway <3 (isn't she such a saint too? ^^)" is nice and well, but she also says that its HIM who decides what his future will be and that is laughably unlikely for Marinette to actually respect. If Adrien makes a big decision she doesn't agree with, she wont respect it. When has she ever?

Adrien has no reason to not decide to be his father's heir again and no way in hell will Marinette give anything resembling to a valid reason against it. She can't, it would require the truth and communication skills she refuses to work on.

I can even see it happening that Marinette will break up with him over this while going "I cant bare watching you do this 😔" hoping that itll make Adrien give in, and if he dares to choose his dead family over her she'll use his amoks "for his own good" cause "what was she supposed to do? 😭"

Or any similar situation. No, she wont do it at any little problem, but saying that Marinette would NEVER do it makes me wonder if these people like canon Marinette at all if they are so in denial about her massively flawed character.

Now, her doing it to CHAT NOIR is a different thing. Pre season 5, she would use his amok in a heart beat and claim its a totally level headed and a phenomenal battle strategy he needs to learn to respect her for. It would be sold as "he trusts her so MUCH uwu" and "she would never hurt him, it cant be abusive 😢"

Thats one of the only good things I can say about season 4 Ladynoir. At least Marinette didnt know Chat Noir is a Sentimonster. Knowing Marinette's disastrous writing in that conflict (she was rewarded for and held to 0 moral standards), she might have even refused to give the amok back to him and taken it with her "for save keeping because shes the guardian and she decided that him having his amok is too dangerous".

She would have raped his mind several times just to avoid any pushback or confrontation. She would have used "kind" phrasing to order him to shut up or to just stand there and do nothing but follow her orders.

She wouldn't have considered Chat's humanity one bit because for her hes already just some magical pet, and would have still only started crying for herself once anything might have asked her to realize what shes doing to him is wrong. Why should this factor cause a development in her that hasn't happened in Canon? Canon Marinette is a selfish leech in her treatment of Chat Noir. He cant have anything or anyone. She will abuse him however she likes, she gives no support back, she forbids him from existing as a real person, shes entirely uninterested in him as a person, she lies and uses him with a smile to prevent him from ever asks anything of her ever again the second even the tiniest consideration was expected of her, and then turns around and plays blameless cause "he didn't tell me 😢 im so pure he just isn't dedicating himself enough to me 😭" once she has to somewhat face that he wasn't treated well.

It is a god send that Marinette doesn't know that Chat Noir is a Sentimonster. Sure, she would show at least SOME restraint for Adrien, but even that has obvious limits once she doesn't agree with the big decisions he will make. But Chat Noir? Lord have mercy on that boy, she already barely allows him any true personhood and treats him like an animal and puppet to abuse, sacrifice, and posses to stroke her ego.

She would abuse the SHIT out of that amok and the show would paint her as "kind" and "loving" or "badass" for doing it over and over and OVER again.

But it's fine, cause she's doing it with love ❤️ and isn't her doing all that to him the proof he needed that she values him cause otherwise she would have long killed him like the goddess of justice she is? 😘

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Oh, yeah, I have no faith on Marinette’s self control over the Amok if Adrien did something she found “bad” enough that she’d have “no other choice”. I think Adrien's career path would invoke this reaction if she couldn't badger, pressure and hound him into changing his mind first. She'd be crying while she does it about how she doesn't want to but she can't lose Adrien after they've come so far together and we’d be expected to think that yeah, she's totally justified, couldn't Adrien just do whatever Marinette wants because it's so sad when Marinette is upsette.

You're also totally right on how Ladybug would totally be controlling Cat Noir with his Amok if she had the knowledge and access. After all, Cat Noir gets mind controlled so often that it's just an excellent backup plan for Ladybug to have a counter mind control option. And it would be so convenient if she could just will Cat Noir to do what her plan requires instead of telling him to, because now the enemy can't hear her scheme. It's fine, because she's the leader and Cat Noir would follow her lead anyway. There's no moral conundrum here, because she's Ladybug and she decides what good and evil mean!

[sermessmer]

🖤🤍 for Elden Ring!

omg hi im sorry this took so long but now ive thought long and hard about my answers for this.

🖤: which character is not as morally good as everyone else seems to think?

hot take but i think its thiollier. people constantly reduce to a “soft sleepy sad boi” as if he doesn’t literally try to kill you for not fulfilling his delusions toward saint trina. not saying hes evil! but def not the pure uwu innocent cinnamon roll the fandom often portrays him as. there is something deeply wrong with him and we should accept that fact.

🤍: which character is not as morally bad as everyone else seems to think?

do i even need to say my answer out loud considering everything on my blog? its hornsent! i genuinely love him so much and i kinda feel like a lot of the hate for him is because he doesnt kiss the ass of the player character like so many other npcs. he has zero reason to be nice to you. negative reasons in fact! and ive seen people claim he was “genocidal” for what he says after the messmer fight which is like. do you hear yourself. he is a single man who wants revenge for the brutal death of his family and entire culture! if anything he is a huge parallel to marika whom people constantly defend while putting hornsent down. do i think hes a good person? no. but people constantly acting like hes evil compared to someone like leda are just wrong lol.

[krowscrawl]

despair

hiii hello yes it's me the guy that started drawing bible stuff for no reason I'm back uwu

I did done a jesus design here's some other sketches of He:

anyways I watched + read "the last days of judas iscariot" simultaneously this morning (and by this morning I mean at 3am in the morning and then sleep for 2 hours before having to wake up I am so fuckin tired lmaoo) and then just

fuckin

chew on the near end stuff (predictable I know) but also like

it's interesting lol

I'm not really verse in any kinda religious stuff (I'm atheist my whole life and will probably continue to be atheist) so i can't tell you if anything related to religion in the play is accurate but liek

the difference between this version of judas vs jcs judas and how those differences change bits n pieces of the story is interesting uwu

anyways sth sth the black halo in this instance represents despair and how judas is trapped in it in the end and while jesus is there the halo fractured and becomes those spiky things but it still lingers around judas and ultimately return back into being a halo just like how judas went back into catatonia

sth sth I will chew their small (but real fuckin juicy) interaction into mush that shit is so good to me

also I love saint monica and mary m lol shout out to them

also also this was the production I watched + where the poses came from

screenshots I used:

side note I love how they execute the set lol such a versatile lil set and use of lighting to convey different places n emotions n shit I love I stan

[triko-the-fluffy-artist]

🌟SAINT SEIYA FLUFFY AU🌟

Aldebaran [Bull] Kiki [Goat] Mu [Ram]

I created them thinking about:

Constellation / Appearances / Personality

🐃For Aldebaran i got inspiration from a specific type of bull that's native from Brazil, his country of origin! (That's why he has droopy ears uwu) Then, the easiest one, he's the Taurus saint, and also he does have the "gentle giant" vibe that's all nice and funny but if you make him angry he's gonna demolish you.

🐏For Mu i couldn't resist and i made him a Ram, of course the fact that he's the Aries saint was fitting and I love the calm and wise vibe he has, also his slender but toned body it's perfect for a big horned herbivore.

🐑For Kiki i tought about him being a fucking chaoric hurricante jumping around Jamir's mountains like a kid on crack. So the goat was inevitable, and also i tought that since all Muvians have connections with Aries i might as well make the entire species as caprines!

Here's the final designs for them, i'm having too much fun with this!!!!

IF YOU WANT TO JOIN IN USE THE #saint seiya fluffy au

Guess who's gonna be next...👀

[artofhazbinhotel]

MY opinion on the full moon conflict between stolas and blitz in helluva boss, if you disagree with me that's completely fine, but maybe I can convince one or two to see what I'm talking about? Feel free to skip if you don't care, just to be clear, I'm not hating on your favorite ships, I'm explaining my thoughts

Okay so I've seen everyone treating blitz like a villain just because stolas cried, are you listening to what he said? He's completely valid to feel the way he feels, of course he wouldn't believe stolas? Stolas up until now has been using a deal to have sex with him and suddenly he wants to do the right thing? It has been drilled in blitz's head that all he's good for in this situation is sex because of how stolas would constantly sexually flirt any chance he gets even in public and how he'd bring up the fact he's an imp "my little imp" is a pet name for him, stolas calls I.M.P "little ones" that's like saying"my little peasant" and "little people"

Stolas is allowed to be a flawed character, if he were a saint it would be boring to watch, making blitz feel the way he did was a complete accident but he still did it, the fact he loves him doesn't excuse the fact the relationship was based on a power imbalance, the whole the relationship is the equivalent of someone's boss saying they have to have sex with them to keep their job, that's so wrong. Blitz consents but even if he didn't want to he thinks he has to because stolas accidentally gave that implication, he hasn't had to recently because they took a break but the fact blitz immediately thought he wasn't giving him the book they didn't have sex? That says a lot.

Also when they were at Ozzie's stolas was all excited about a date but suddenly he hides behind a menu when his date is being humiliated instead of taking up for him, did he really think blitz would want to cuddle after he pulled that shit? You can't do something shitty then ask for affection you don't deserve and get upset when you don't get it.

So no, I don't think blitz was wrong for saying what he said, I think stolas is playing the victim unintentionally because he isn't acknowledging the consequences of his actions. You can like stolas, but he isn't an uwu soft boy who's done nothing wrong ever, he was wrong and he's trying to fix it but he's not taking into account the damage he's already done "I love you" doesn't fix "my impish plaything"

[spopsalt]

Certain Spop fans: Hordak is evil! Hordas is ugly! Hordak is abusive! Hordak kidnaps children! Hordak is a fascist! Hordak is old! Hordak is white! Hordak this! Hordak blah!

Same fans: Omg! Mommy dommy Catra step on me! Uwu baby girl is twamatised fwom her giwlfwied abandoning her! She’s so me coded! Girlboss punch that musty crusty fascist! Cat girl lesbian go brrr! They’re eNeMiEs tO lOvErs! Opposite sides of the war! She’s a minor and literally neurodivergent. She’s literally canonically a brown latina Persian girl. Hurhur, cat sleep at girlfriend’s bed. She’s 17-18, so it’s okay, you prude. She some mistakes, she changed.

Me: Okay. I’m not saying he’s a saint. But if I had to defend Hordak, at least I could say he was raised in a brainwashing cult and probably didn’t know better, and thought the end justified the means. We don’t know if he knew Prime was evil, just that he wanted his approval and then killed him when he became truly independent. Catra knew what she did was wrong since she was little. This is part of the reason I like Hordak better. Along with the fact he’s a not abusive partner to his love interest he’s not related to. And the fact he didn’t play as much of an active role in genocide and war. And the fact that he never actually tried to kill anyone besides the one person who abused and traumatized him. At the very least admit you possibly have a bias, like I do.

Fans: Well you’re a white cis het lesbo/homophobic/racist/fascist person who hates traumatized people, you ableist!

Yeah, Hordak is no saint to be sure, he's a horrible person, but people just casually forget that Catra was right besides him, helping him in everything she does, she also literally took away his crystal, which he needs to function, which, I don't care how horrible he is, nobody deserves that. That's basically like taking a wheelchair away from someone with broken legs. It doesn't help that it was framed as this cool badass girlboss moment.

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Is there any reason why fandom love to put Shinichiro Sano on a pedestal. I rarely see people discussing shin flaws and mistakes as much people do with Mikey or Takeomi. Shin is always seen as this nice dude who can't do wrong vibes with many shin fans. You are the first one who enjoy his flaws point out his mistakes and even use them to explore more as a Shin fan. I love him to the core but it is pretty staggering to see no one talk about his flaws and examine in details

*happy clapping* It's been so long since I last ranted about Shinichiro (and tr..) this ask (and the other one) makes me so happy-

Thank you for the compliments! Those are really big ones, I'll do my best to deserve them and keep being up to it

I think, mostly, it has to do with the fact his mistakes are never addressed by the characters directly (because themselves are unaware of them). We discover the story through their eyes and so we are easily influenced by their perspectives - and not only do we assimilate him to the 'dead mentor' archetype very quickly, the characters keep on telling us how great he was. That, and they're constantly making comparisons with Takemichi, our protagonist who cannot do wrong (whether we like him or not, people are likely to think Takemichi cannot - intentionally or not - hurt someone. I say likely because we do know there are timelines where he is indeed a criminal, and if he stops fighting solely people stronger than him then more readers would realize he's physically strong).

Speaking of which, we do transpose our vision of Takemichi on Shinichiro (albeit more idealized) since Mikey and Inui and others keep telling how alike they are (but their speeches are more idealized when talking about Shinichiro) - so Shinichiro is a weak fighter, is a loser in the love domain, and is a crybaby. That's... not how we would imagine a 'bad' guy, a deeply flawed one, especially not in TR where all of our antagonists are threatening in some way or another. But Shinichiro was loved by everyone and followed by everyone and -

Shinichiro was loved. Shinichiro is loved.

He's loved by characters we love, and we only have very few words to have a depiction of him in mind if we don't look at him more closely - so we know little of him, but we know he's basically Takemichi but cooler and acclaimed. And since he's dead - by accident too because he didn't do anything wrong *cough* - it's so easy to see him as a Saint. There's also the fact brains like simplicity (easier to maneuver) so we love to put characters (as well as real people) in boxes to ease our understanding. Happens in a lot of fandom - when characters get reduced to the sole archetypes of 'girlboss' or 'malewife' or 'soft uwu boy'. Stripping them from their personality and imposing one we know well is tempting: doing the Shinichiro=dead mentor calculation is not only natural but ease the mind. Who doesn't like a kind and reliable big brother type of characters? I personally didn't expect (while simultaneously wishing for it) Shinichiro to have a defined personality outside this archetype and I know my first understandings of him got biased because of it.

And even when reaching Original Timeline (which re-contextualizes the story) our vision of Shinichiro doesn't get altered on the spot. It does add to his character, but. it's too easy to think Mikey's state in Original Timeline is the reason why Shinichiro lost it so much (and it was definitively a big part of it, that's not deniable). The arc was so short I wonder how many people actually linger over it instead of taking information to face value. It's very, very easy to see him as only a Victim of Circumstances : he suffered so much to keep Mikey alive those four years. And, yeah, he did suffer, yeah he is a victim, but it's really not all there is to it. He was desperate to keep Mikey alive (which has even more depth if I may say when we link that information to the fact Shinichiro witnessed his mom die away in a hospital for years too. And between their mom's death and Mikey's accident there's like. four months?) and he had had to study to be a nurse to take care of him; how noble, how tragic! Sure Emma ran away but that's not His Fault. What else can he do? Look at his life, the narrative was against him for that timeline! And what if he killed someone, he had his reasons?! (a homeless person on top of it. The story makes us pity Shinichiro so much nobody seems to be outraged at the fact he beat a marginalized person to death. Shinichiro could've killed a kid and we would have gone 'oh but he lost he's brother, he's so sad :(((' - or perhaps not. perhaps that would have pushed more people to noticed There's Something Wrong with him.)

- That could be another point honestly. Shinichiro as a 'person' is never focused on, so much that we can unintentionally forget all of Mikey's tragic family life is also Shinichiro's (and Emma's), and how that must have affected him. So much that his actions don't appear like they have a reason behind them (from dragging kids into delinquency to naming his gang the way he did (after an irl ultranationalist yakuza-like organization that extended on several continents if I need to remind someone)) - he just did those

So, 1) he's dead, he's a martyr even, 2) his acknowledged flaws are presented as endearing, 3) he's a victim at most, not an oppressor.

I'm not better than anyone about that; I thought about Shinichiro this way for some time before I got to detach myself from the characters' biased view and question more his actions. If I recall well, that happened after I did the same for Takeomi because sure Takeomi sucks whatever but why do you hate him so much people- Pretty funny thing looking back at it haha: always paralleling each others those two smh

Also, a part that shouldn't be neglected I think: TR being a story about delinquents makes it so we easily accept they are - we do wonder why (because we want information and credibility!) but we get to normalize it for the characters, because that's how TR world works, they're all delinquents! We tend to forget they're in a realistic world, time leaping powers and curses aside. But Shinchiro very much is the one who dragged sooo many of them into delinquency: sure, with Inupi and Izana they could've ended up delinquents by themselves, perhaps, but at the end of the day Inui joined for him and he showed Izana how to be one. His idea of bonding with his estranged brother was showing him the Delinquent Way. But all we know is that Shinichiro is loved, including by Izana (who was so, so happy to have him), and that we are reading a story where 95% of the characters are delinquents. It doesn't surprise. Not until you don't think about it - but shonen are way too good to make you take everything at face value.

Figuring out why people easily point out Takeomi and Mikey's flaws is easier. Their wrong deeds are explicitly shown that way in the story. Mikey's such a prevalent character that it'd be hard to not notice what he messed up, hard to not focus on when he has to be saved by the protagonist. Mikey is shown as responsible for actions he takes, and is aware of taking such actions whereas Shinichiro has never any ill-intents and his actions are never perceived as harmful by himself or the other characters. Mikey knew telling Kakucho "you think [Izana] died for that?" would hurt him, Shinichiro never realized telling Haruchiyo "I'm not saying you should forgive Manjiro right now* but if you want you can still be his friend" (*implying Sanzu could forgive Mikey now or later but he will forgive him) - which pushed him even more to accept Mikey's apologies (which he'd have done anyway, but he has also severely been harmed and that cannot be brushed off that easily, Shinichiro) - would have had harmful consequences. The only scene he has where he shows complete animosity toward someone (saying 'shut up' to Wakasa) gets justified by Mikey's death. The gravity of Shinichiro's action then goes unnoticed. Also, Mikey intentionally physically hurts other, where Shinichiro has 'only' ever killed a man because he was desperate

Takeomi... he gets hated for two factors I think and that's 1) being a bad big brother in a story where sibling relationships are a important part of its core, 2) being Sanzu's (bad) big brother. His additional flaws (ex: debts years, arrogance) would've been excused had he known how to raise his siblings, but since he didn't they get added to the reasons why he's a 'character who sucks actually'.

I said 'Sanzu's brother' specifically, because Takeomi was less restrictive with Senju, less harsh - and because Sanzu's fans are far more numerous, albeit Senju is fairly liked too. It's simple for Sanzu fans to hate Takeomi (no hard feeling about this, I just wish more people were willing to understand Takeomi as a character)

Him being Shinichiro's direct opposite makes it worse. Because they're distorted mirrors of each other, they're the same and the total opposite at the same time, they both keep on contrasting each other in a way that makes Shinichiro appear Exemplary and Takeomi Bad; as brothers but as people too. I think the scene in Original Timeline where Shinichiro goes to pick up Haruchiyo from juvie and explains Takeomi isn't there because he's still on 'non-speaking terms' with him is a good example of that(readers seeing Shinichiro as Good, Perfect even and Takeomi as Inexcusable, Wrong) (and that's without mentioning the fact Takeomi isn't the one that should necessarily come. He's not Sanzu's legal tutor and we know the Akashi father is alive. 'oh but he's working' so what you're finding excuses for their father's absence but not Takeomi's now?)

And the chapter from his point of view doesn't help!! Why? Because it's just showing 'unlikable' flaws. He brought doomed upon himself - he's the arrogant one, he's the indebted one. He still have qualities, but they don't get depicted in his chapter and for some readers they get erased by the You're Such a Bad Brother part. Honestly, I wish Sanzu and Senju would've been present in the flashback and we would've seen how Takeomi felt being stuck to raise them. (But I know it was on purpose. Every Akashi avoids home one way or another, and not putting it in the chapter was a way to show that - the same way not showing how Inui handles his grief for his own sister's death and focusing on Kokonoi's is telling us Inui silenced his hurt for Kokonoi to process his. That's talent right there, I love Wakui's storytelling so much for that)

There are people who don't understand Takeomi and honestly I think some wouldn't care to bother, he's just,, easy to hate on, same way for Kisaki or Osanai or Taiju for some people. I also saw people picturing him as a confident, powerful man (and sexy) and I don't get how you can read chapter 230 and not pick on the fact Takeomi has an inferiority complex. Guess it's not hard to fall for the mask a character puts on (same for Mikey acting all resilient and powerful but needing so badly to be vulnerable ; albeit, there again, Mikey's case is far more exploited in the story)(and same for Shinichiro, albeit he is likely to not know how people perceive him and how the impact his actions have on them don't match - he's just as blind as others as to the consequences of his actions)

There may be more reasons why it's simple to idolize Shinichiro, but that's all of what came up to my mind and it seems enough to answer haha