#lmao this is so badly written
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whoatemyshoe Ā· 11 days ago
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#agatha#agatha all along#can you tell that im so so soooooo bitter about the finale#like i get that some people loved it#good for you#i dont and i'm dying on this hill#yall have every right to be happy about it and talk about how happy you are about it!! but pls keep to your lane#i spent two hours going through the agatha all along tag and there were a handful of people going#the finale wasnt that bad look at the bright side you should be happy about how it ended#bitch. dont tell me how i should enjoy my media#why did she see the darkhold in the cradle and why that reaction?#'is the how nicky died' i dont understand how that prompted her to take such a huge risk#also??? why does rio wanna see agatha die so badly??#and when she did die where was rio? all that build up and fighting without any conclusion to it??#rio just disappeared no conclusion no confrontation not even a word before she kissed Rio and gave her what she wanted which is her death#the build up was really good but the pay off really fell flat and felt rush and agatha ended up feeling like shes sidelined in her own show#even when she had tons of screen time! it just fell flat like agatha deserves better she deserved change and growth and development#she deserved confrontation and facing her feelings not all this continued avoidance and shifting focus onto Billy#she's done too much to have this half assed conclusion to her arc that was built to set up someone elses story like the direction it went#was so gross like every other character had really well written and developed story arcs and conclusions and hers was just???? deflated???#im not even asking for a full on backstory about their relationship bc the show isnt about agatha x rio lmao#them having a happy ending doesnt make narrative sense. what im asking is simply tie up the threads they sewed into the narrative
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The most unrealistic part of the Teen Wolf Movie, for me? The point at which I simply couldnā€™t continue to suspend my disbelief?? Thanks for asking that would be:
the idea that Stiles Stilinski would willingly skip Derek Haleā€™s FUNERAL.
Like. Thereā€™s a LOT of unforgivable nonsense in that movie but this has to be the most egregious, right? Right??????
Cuz sure. I get it. DOB wasnā€™t on board for the movie, but he was kinda the heart of the show by the end, so almost every scene feels at least a little incomplete without him. The ghost of Stiles Stilinski truly haunts that entire script.
BUT Iā€™m willing to go along with most of the ways they explained away his absence.
Everyone has an unhealthy self-sacrificing streak that makes them avoid asking for help, especially from the fragile human all the way across the country? Sure.
Theyā€™re all EXTRA unwilling to put Stiles at risk cuz theyā€™re dealing with the Nogitsune, specifically? ABSOLUTELY.
Lydia is actively pushing him away because of prophetic dreams? A classic fantasy trope!
But I cannot stand by and allow them to claim that Stiles wouldnā€™t attend Derekā€™s funeral! Thatā€™s where I draw the line!! Because that either means that A) Stiles heard the news of Derek DEATH but didnā€™t think it was important enough to come to Beacon Hills for, or B) No one told Stiles that Derek died. And neither of those possibilities are even remotely believable.
Anyway this particular detail is going to have me fuming for the next 7-10 business days. Thank you for coming to my TedTalk.
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ghost-bison Ā· 2 months ago
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rip 9 and 10 (the doctors who stil gaf when someone random died) you would have loved nausicaƤ of the valley of the wind
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byanyan Ā· 25 days ago
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byan once full-on tackled a kid during a soccer game in gym and started just pummeling him in front of their whole class because he intentionally punted the ball at their head.
the kid in question had been tormenting them for months since they transferred to the school and, after an already shit day, they'd been at their wit's end. the ball hitting the side of their head was just the thing that sent them over the edge.
later that same day, they slammed his head into a locker because they got in trouble and he didn't, having claimed that hitting them had been an accident. they earned a week's suspension on top of their week's detention for this.
in the past, this boy had been one of the reasons byan would skip out on school, their anxiety and fear of what would be in store for them each day making them physically ill. he would hurl awful insults at them, pull incredibly meanspirited pranks on them with intent of causing embarrassment and sometimes harm, and sometimes took it as far as physical assault. somehow, he almost always managed to avoid getting in trouble for any of this.
the soccer incident was the final straw for byan. after that, they stopped trying to talk to any teachers or adults in general about what was going on and they took it into their own hands. violently. however, they never instigated, only ever retaliated ā€” naturally, the kid was often able to make it seem like it was the other way around. byan's reputation only continued to get worse, and somehow, no matter how badly they managed to hurt him in return, he always came back with a vengeance instead of backing down and leaving them alone.
one time, they bit his hand so hard that he needed to get stitches. they earned themself a broken nose and a concussion for it, but to this day they hope he looks at that scar and remembers the pain and fear they caused him, even if it was only a fraction of what he'd put them through.
somehow, it wasn't until byan broke a mirror with his face that they were expelled from that school and finally got to move on to a different one. some part of them was vindictive enough to want to hunt him down and make his life miserable the way he made theirs, but there was an intense fear of seeing him again spurred both by trauma and the knowledge that he might not hold anything back while not on school grounds which ultimately stopped them.
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saenora Ā· 1 year ago
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but stargazing with sae, I know sae isnt the type to make a lot of plans but he is spontaneous like this sometimes. youā€™re both walking in the middle of the night, to the closest park, or some hill top. Its a sweet summer night, the wind is nice for a change. a sky full of stars as you two lay down side to side. sharing silence. the entire world is still, its just yiu two. you feel his fingers lacing with yours making you turn your head. ā€œI like this.. I think I can do this foreverā€¦ā€ his eyes remain locked to the brightly littered sky, softly breathing as he speaks. and finally his gaze meets yours. ā€œā€¦ with youā€ the light squeeze from his hand, draws you into reality. youā€™re both smiling. words wonā€™t suffice the moment. you lean your head on his shoulder. ā€œI might hold you for itā€ ā€œgladlyā€
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mammomlette Ā· 7 months ago
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I want to introduce Satan to so many things to do with books so bad. Someone get this man Goodreads. I adore stalking my friends Goodreads reviews and seeing how some of them just say stuff like ā€œthis book made me want to throw up glitterā€ and short stuff while other friends are writing whole dissertations on the fucking cruel Prince or something. Satan is 100% the latter, he is justifying his rating. Goodreads is his version of leaving a negative/positive help review.
Also, I want him to read the books I like SOOOOSOSO badly. I donā€™t care that Iā€™m still reading books for kids like pjo and MMU, I want his thoughts and feelings on what I enjoy
Imagine just sitting in comfortable silence, both reading the same book and getting to plot twists at the same time (or, even better, one of you finishes ahead of the other one and you just have to stare at the other until they get to it so you can discuss)
IMAGINE BRINGING WORLD BOOK DAY TO RAD. (Is that even a widely celebrated thing?? Idek help) JUST CARTS UPON CARTS OR BOOKS IN A MAKESHIFT LIBRARY (who cares that rad already has a real one, this is the vibe we need) FOR DIRT CHEAP PRICES AND EVERYONE DRESSED UP AS A BOOK CHARACTER. MATCHING OUTFITS WITH SATAN AS CHARACTERS FROM YOUR FAV BOOK. AAA
In conclusion I want a book friend and Satan is that guy
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lord-squiggletits Ā· 1 year ago
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IDW1 must take place on an alternate Earth where no one has ever heard of ACAB and everyone wears "thin blue line" merchandise because there's literally no other way that a single Autobot killing a USAmerican cop in self defense would be such worldwide news that even Mexican journalists would go "OMG???? You like, killed a cop?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?" and it wasn't even framed as like, "you killed a human," the phrasing every time any character talked about it was very specifically "he killed a cop".
The cop was also threatening to shoot a group of surrendering/not-attacking/injured Autobots btw which is just the icing on the cake honestly lmao
#yeah i still think about how that plot point's handling in phase 2 was fucking dumb#you can't convince me that if a usamerican cop got shot by an alien people wouldn't be making memes about it#ppl would be making memes like 'you know a pig is a pig because he'll even shoot alien robots when they're surrendering'#i'm also mad bc the gun that that cop had was a replica of cybertronian guns that meg spread among earth's populace#and what's worse is spike and this other guy literally HEARD M EXPLAIN HIS EVIL PLAN ABOUT THIS#but somehow in phase 2 literally no one ever brings it up ever again#like not even spike brings up the whole 'yeah M had mind controlling guns that he did specifically to destabilize the population'#he was just like 'nah that autobot shot a cop the autobots are evil now'#but like. i wanna make the earth ac/ab memes so badly lmao#you know that ppl would be making 'officer down' jokes about some cop getting killed by an alien robot#don't try to tell me that it's bc they're alien robots people would suddenly support the US#ppl literally make 9/11 jokes bc they hate the US that much don't even try to tell me earth would suddenly unite over a usamerican cop#getting shot on the job no less#and this is also a story written by barber who's literally the ac/ab writer that gave OP shit for being a cop so like#it's honestly so baffling. like was he trying to make a point about police brutality#bc jazz is black coded and he killed a cop so that's why barber wrote everyone hating jazz for it?#idek it's just another one of those stupid plot contrivances i hate and make me unable to take the rest of the story seriously
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coffeeandcalligraphy Ā· 2 years ago
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would u ever explain the circley levels of hell chapter/plot/theme structure bc i am very curious šŸ‘€šŸ‘€šŸ‘€
WELL NOW THAT I'VE FINISHED MY DEGREE!! yes absolutely!
I'll make a video explaining this too since it might be helpful to hear me explain it with... my face, but this circular story structure is something I'm calling orbital plot structure. Luckily for all of us, I wrote up a detailed memo for my workshop which I'll share below (with lots of expansion)!
Disclaimer: The following is all my original writing theory AKA I came up with all of this myself AKA this method is in early development. You're welcome to share it/use it wherever, just link back to me! This also means when I think more, there may be more to say, LOL.
TL;DR: the orbital plot structure consists of two elements: the thematic satellite and the "scene" rings that orbit the satellite. I've shared two versions (the original and the modified version) below!
Orbital plot structure
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The orbital plot structure consists of two essential components: the thematic satellite and the scene rings. We have a core theme (the ā€œsatelliteā€) that every single scene ā€œorbitsā€ around. Every scene links back to the theme.
Plot progression/movement comes from the rings rippling outward (indicated by the outward pointing arrows). However, this movement is still deeply connected to the theme (indicated by the unfilled arrows pointed inwardā€”we are pushed out by the theme like an exhale but naturally brought back toward the theme like an inhale). The amount of rings will differ for each work.
This plot structure may work well for theme-driven stories and chapters between 1500-3500 words.
Example:
Below is an example of the classic orbital plot structure for the first chapter of my novella, BODY BACK (chapter update HERE!). That chapter is called "Living Pictures."
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The theme for this chapter of course is "life as a living picture." Every single scene is necessitated by this theme and therefore precipitates the next scene that is also necessitated by the theme.
Here is a breakdown of how each scene links back to that theme:
Scene 1:
Harrison floats fully-clothed in a pool that belongs to a wealthy couple. He is jaded and also thinking about God
Explanation: This scene quite literally IS a living picture. Harrison feels unreal/otherworldly and not like an actual human person.
Scene 2:
Harrison describes the couple who own the house/pool. The man is a realtor, and the woman stays at home mostly, but walks dogs on the side.
Explanation: Harrison projects the couple who owns this home into "living picture" mode. He doesn't see them as people, but merely as The Realtor and The Dog-Walker.
Scene 3:
Harrison contemplates his ā€œeasyā€ Las Vegas life since moving in with his mother, Suzanna.
Explanation: Harrison explains how HIS actual life in Las Vegas has felt like a living picture (he also resists this idea at the end).
Scene 4:
Flashback: Harrison recalls drawing his new sort-of boyfriend, Jeremiah.
Explanation: This flashback with Jeremiah is ALSO a living picture. Heightened language. Dreamy imagery. He doesn't feel present, but like a snapshot in a moment.
Scene 5:
Harrison describes his vices (smoking and his ex, Lonan lmao, comparable) which trickles into a recurring dream/nightmare of Lonan.
Explanation: This scene is AGAIN a living picture--more dreamy language (it's quite literally a dream too). Lonan is captured in this memory, even though this moment was once real and not a photo.
Scene 6:
Distracted by the dream, Harrison is caught by the couple. The man seems unimpressed by him, though the woman (Sadie), perhaps realizing how young he is, invites him inside for tea.
Explanation: We SHATTER the living picture (LP) here. Harrison isn't living in a dream state, he's actually very much in the real world where breaking into a stranger's pool is NOT okay. LOL.
Scene 7:
Harrison observes the coupleā€™s ā€œcatalogueā€ home while Sadie makes tea.
Explanation: Sadie and her husband live in a home that is also picturesque. BUT, he quickly notices something is amiss--she doesn't actually seem to genuinely exist in its pristineness and niceties, just like Harrison doesn't exist in the niceties of his "new" life in Las Vegas. This is why I ended the chapter here--he's addressed the theme.
You'll notice I didn't include the arrows in the above diagram--I've only included those for demonstration purposes to show how movement in this type of structure works. You know how water ripples in a circular pattern when you drop a stone into it? That's how this story structure progresses--every scene revolves around that stone in the centre.
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^^ A visual for you!
Typically, in western storytelling, we think of structure like this:
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This diagram is known as Freytag's triangle/pyramid, and it's a useful way to understand stories (though... not my favourite for many reasons, but a great place to brainstorm your own writing theory). In diagrams like this, it's easier to see the movement of a story, since the line naturally moves left to right.
You could ABSOLUTELY map "Living Pictures" on the above structure, but I personally prefer the orbital plot structure for this particular series of books (Moth Work x Feeding Habits x BODY BACK) because of how deeply thematic they are. Because those projects are very internal and driven by complicated emotional exploration into central themes, it only made sense to map my own story structure that was reflective of that.
To clarify, I don't mean that other structures can't contain theme. Of course they can! But this plot structure is specifically built for thematically-driven work (this would NOT work if your work was not thematically-driven).
Funnily, the orbital plot structure is what my brain "sees" as I write chapters in this series (I don't follow this structure for every project). So while some people outline, brainstorm, etc, in advance of drafting, I start drafting with this in mind. Usually I don't figure out the theme until I'm through the first scene, or sometimes until I'm done the first draft, but when that theme is identified, it's very easy for me to either mould the rest of the chapter around the theme, or revise it around that theme.
If I'm stuck while drafting a chapter, it's usually because something about the theme isn't clear--consciously or subconsciously--to me.
Also: because of the nature of this structure being quite specific to a theme, this is probably not the best fit for very long works/chapters. But I'm sure you could try!
Speaking of longer works...
Orbital plot structure (modified)
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The modified orbital plot structure follows the same principles of the orbital plot structure with two essential components: the thematic satellite and the scene rings. Scenes continue to orbit the ā€œsatellite.ā€ However, a new elementā€”fossae/dipsā€”are introduced in the case of longer word counts (3500+).
The amount of rings and dips will differ depending on the project (there can be more or less than what is pictured above). These dips serve as scenes that may not be as closely related to the theme but that still move the work toward another thematic scene/ā€œbump.ā€
Plot progression/movement comes from the rings rippling outward (indicated by the outward pointing arrows). However, this movement is still deeply connected to the theme (indicated by the unfilled arrows pointed inwardā€”we are pushed out by the theme like an exhale but naturally brought back toward the theme like an inhale).
I'm not going to include a physical example of this because that would be... a teeny cumbersome, LOL, but this is just an option for people who like the orbital plot structure idea but don't feel like they want to write scenes that are extremely thematic every single time (or their work wouldn't fit that original model).
To note: The dips/bumps don't need to be uniform. Two dips can follow each other, just as three bumps could follow each other. This will depend on you and the work.
But good writers don't gatekeep <3 so here's a written version of chapter six of Feeding Habits that follows this structure quite nicely. For the sake of clarity, I'm going to call the fossae/dip scenes "dips" and the thematic scenes "bumps."
CW: Dead animals, blood, violence
THEME: Indissoluble bonds
Scene A:
DIP: Harrison gets back to the NYC apartment he shares with his mother after running errands to ward off either the spirit that haunts their walls or to rescue whatever is stuck in them. His mother preps for a dinner as Harrison has invited his old pal Reeve over.
Explanation: This scene MUST happen to get us to the following "bump," and that's because we get some critical exposition here: Harrison has had to go to a hardware store for supplies to cut open the drywall in his apartment as he and his mother can hear something in the walls, AND, Reeve is coming over for dinner at Harrison's request. We're not sure why.
Scene B:
BUMP: Harrison removes a litter of kittens from behind the drywall. One of the kittens is dead. Strangely, a German Shepherd puppy is also in the litter.
Explanation: What does it mean for Harrison to find a single dead kitten in a litter of live kittens? Does that kitten have a bond to its litter, despite now being gone?
Scene C:
DIP: Reeve appears in a glamorous blur and makes an interesting first impression on Suz who seems slightly stunned and endeared by her.
Explanation: We need this scene to get us to the next bump--this is Reeve's intro and also introduces the "bond" she'll later form with Suz. The entire chapter title, "Blood Sister," comes from the women's bond. What does it mean to feel connected to someone as if you had actually done a blood pact? And is that similar to the bond between the kittens? ...And the bond between Lonan and Harrison...?
Scene D:
BUMP (subtler): At dinner Reeve confronts Harrison about hisĀ ā€œstraight-edgeā€ lifestyle since moving to NYC and he realizes her judgements about his life being monotonous are very trueā€“he lacks purpose.
Explanation: This scene gets us to an important realization for Harrison: he feels like something is missing in his life. I wonder WHAT (the answer is Lonan lol).
Scene E:
BUMP: Harrison and his mother clear the dishes and Suzanna confronts him on the fact that he hasnā€™t told her that Reeve is in fact Lonanā€™s sister. Suz knows the boysā€™ relationship is complicated, and plays Devilā€™s advocate by outright asking Reeve how her brother is. Reeve, who hasnā€™t seen Lonan longer than Harrison, has assumed Lonan lives with them or is close by, and feels semi-betrayed that Harrison has kept his whereabouts a secret.
Explanation: This one is more explicit of a bump. Why hasn't Harrison told his mother Reeve's true identity? Is it because he's not ready to even think about Lonan who he still feels inextricably connected to??? Yes!
Scene F:
DIP & BUMP: Reeve and Harrison drive to a garden and heā€™s reminded of the event that lead to him and his motherā€™s return to the east. Harrison meets Winona outside a convenience store, the same woman Lonan meets inĀ ch.6 of Moth Work. She takes him to her mansion where sheā€™s hosting a party and introduces him to her husband. Harrison makes multiple bad decisions which you can probably figure out for yourself!
Explanation: This scene almost serves as both a dip AND bump as we slowly "dip" into exposition. But the relevance and "bump" of this scene becomes abundantly clear when we realize the woman Harrison follows home is the SAME woman Lonan follows him in Moth Work. Indissoluble bonds driving you to do the same thing?? LMAO I love them <3
Scene G:
BUMP: Harrison wakes up in Winonaā€™s house and is confused to see her and her husband standing over his leather jacket. If we remember what happened in ch. 6 of Moth Work, Lonan gets beat up by Winonaā€™s husband and has Harrisonā€™s jacket & angel chain stolen. We can assume from this scene that Winona has a) recognized the jacket and b) chosen him to come back to her house for the purpose of also beating him up (which happens).
Explanation: Again, why do Harrison and Lonan make the SAME decisions and have the SAME thing happen to them? Is this because they have an indissoluble bond? That theme is actually dropped explicitly in this scene. (Also a tangent: in the MW version of this scene, Lonan loses the fight--black eye art is the aftermath of that--and therefore loses the jacket, but in FH, Harrison stumbles out of there with his jacket HAHA so he won. Lonan is a loser. <3)
Scene H:
BUMP: Reeve and Harrison jump a fence into a garden to give the dead kitten an unorthodox ā€œwater burialā€ in the gardenā€™s fountain. Reeve confronts him on why no one has seemed to care about her whereabouts for the last year, and also suggests the only reason he wanted to see her now is because he misses Lonan. Harrison miserably drinks too much wine.
Explanation: In this scene, Harrison contemplates the indissoluble bond between the dead kitten and its litter--it's gone now, but was still a part of that collective, just like Lonan is gone now from his life but is still part of his collective. Harrison accepts that yes, he indeed still feels connected to Lonan, and actually, deeply misses Lonan (like the kittens--do they miss their sibling now that its gone?). He literally writes out Lonan's name in the snow as an expression of admittance to that truth (THAT'S GAY AS FUCK HARRISON, GAY AS FUCK).
Alright, I couldn't help myself, here's an illustration to show what that chapter looks like according to this structure. You can see I only used one ring because I don't have that many scenes. Now that I think of it, for this modified structure, a single ring would work well for one story/chapter (whereas in the original structure, one ring equals a scene), unless you have 60 million scenes (or you use act breaks within chapters). *High five!* we've made a development as I wrote this post.
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A hint about orbital structures: some crime TV shows use this structure IMO, ESPECIALLY episodes that follow crimes that are geared at revealing something about one of the central characters. Look at many of the Criminal Minds specials OR at any Hannibal episode and you won't be able to unsee it LOL.
Let me know if you have any questions! For writers who have very visual brains like me (or writers who've described their processes as "sculpting" words like myself), I hope this is useful!
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orcixs Ā· 1 month ago
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am i alone in thinking that aftg isn't badly written.......
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alexiaugustin Ā· 2 years ago
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maggie wrote that line about adam going home every night and trying to talk himself out of loving ronan to be poetic and for the intros of instagram edits. itā€™s not actually backed up in the canon text anywhere else. it is, in fact, proven wrong on several occasions in trk, cdth and probably also the opal novella but i donā€™t remember enough from it to be sure
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ladyseidr Ā· 2 months ago
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okay! finally making this an official post: if you want my "new" discord, please either A. like this post, or B. DM me. either way, i'll DM you the name. it's not some secret or anything ( it's identical to my personal blog's url lmao ) but y'know. just not posting publicly this time
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prisonpodcast Ā· 1 year ago
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Trying to convince myself that I like a character but then every time I rewatch the source material Iā€™m reminded of how much I just cannot stand that character šŸ˜­
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l0stw00d Ā· 1 month ago
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Y'know, I get a lot of "you're so lucky to get to stay home, to do XYZ instead of working" etc. And like, I understand the weight of capitalism is crushing u all but I rlly need y'all to understand something.
Yes, I am immensely lucky to get to do the things I do. But I pay a very high price for them. I stood up for two hours on Wednesday while I was glazing things for pottery, and two days later, I'm still struggling to recover. It's 4pm, I drew for a couple hours, and now I'm too exhausted to sit up.
I am very lucky! And I enjoy what I do! But it is so hard and so painful and I don't think you would actually enjoy doing this instead!
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frodo-baggins Ā· 1 year ago
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the way fans continue to woobify and simplify the character of samwise gamgee drives me mad actually. like yes when he carries the ring he envisions gorgoroth transformed into a vast garden *but* he also envisions himself as a great hero with the capacity to command entire armies and march on barad dur! and this matters! yes he loves and appreciates the simple pleasures in life. but his complexity his capacity to be judgmental and impulsive and uncompromising and even a bit mean is important too! that character nuance makes him so much more engaging i think and seems so often set aside in fan circles :(
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stepswowdsen Ā· 2 months ago
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怐KHR怑 Xanxus + KHR Misc Rambles šŸ”„šŸ·
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Mainly KHR and Xanxus related rambles.
(Put the rest of the rambles of this under the cut)
(KHR: VARIA ARC SPOILERS)
Fandom wikis are a disaster tho cuz I remember seeing people put fucking. Nonsense fanfic theories on Xanxus' wiki page, which is just???
But I would still love to create and add wiki pages for LimGuda, JuAli, KuroEne, IdaTatsu
We work hard in niche popular ship and rare pair city!!! šŸ’–āœØ
I have a thing for settling into niche popular (ie. LimGuda) and rare pair ships (ie. XanLena, JuAli, KuroEne, IdaTatsu) šŸ’–
If only to spread the word for them šŸ“øšŸ’„
...
Why are people putting their shitty speculations/theories into Xanxus' wiki page bruh.
This isn't even canon, just speculation.
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C: OH YEAH THE WIKI IS LIKE THAT LMAO
Pretty sure somewhere in the wiki is a bit that says Shamal raised Gokudera šŸ’€
Me: Dr. Shamal's whole concept is just so. Fuck off.
Like no Amano we did not need a (minor character) sexual harasser pervert man misogynist that constantly sexually harasses women (including underage girls šŸ’€)
And he refuses to treat men as an adult doctor cuz he dislikes men & thinks he'll get the cooties.
Dr. Shamal /neg /derogatory šŸš®
"Put in litter" emoji!!! šŸš®šŸš®šŸš®
I still hate how Dr. Shamal is supposed to be the "Role model" figure for Gokudera just cuz his own ass father basically abandoned him
C: Xanxus' wiki page wtf
????
What are they smokinggg
Me: RIGHT LIKE WHO THE FUCK IS PUTTING THIS SHIT
C: How young was Xanxus when he got taken in?
5? 6?
Me: We never get an age confirmation for when he was taken in by Timoteo (Vongola 9th)
But considering how small kid Xanxus is, I'm just gonna assume anywhere from 5 - 12
C: That's way before any developmental cap
Even assuming Timoteo was such a loving father, he could have probably taught him better and raised him to be different
Me: RIGHT LMAOO
"The kindly Ninth"
Ok /neg
TIMOTEO BEING DESCRIBED AS KIND MAKES ME WANNA GAG HONESTLY
Like no. Timoteo was definitely an emotionally neglective pathetic ass "parent"
He never address his emotional needs or ever find ways to address Xanxus' emotional issues/rage
And even in KHR manga canon he never apologizes for what he did to Xanxus specifically.
(KHR: Varia Arc - Spoilers)
Varia Arc - Xanxus' Backstory
Ok I'll sum this up quickly.
Context: Basically what happens in KHR manga canon is that Xanxus was born in the slums and developed a rare flame, the Flame of Wrath, at an early age, and eventually got taken in by Timoteo (Vongola 9th).
Xanxus was made to believe that he'd be the Vongola 10th boss (and was supported by most of the family, except Timoteo ofc), and his arrogance grew as he got older from being raised on a pedestal.
Timoteo kept the secrets hidden that Xanxus could never be Vongola 10th (assumably cuz he was too distanced from the main bloodline)
Xanxus eventually finds out the secret of the Vongola inheritance and rule by breaking into/melting a locked chamber with his flame.
Enraged that he could never be the successor and at Timoteo for betraying him by keeping the information hidden from him, teen Xanxus eventually gathered the Varia members as his subordinates and started a coup d'Ć©tat against Vongola 9th (an incident later referred to as the "Cradle Affair")
Xanxus got punished with a fate almost worse than death, Timoteo uses the Dying Will Zero Point Breakthrough technique that essentially freezes him in (magical) ice.
Timoteo never apologizes for (basically) freezing his son in magical ice and just, essentially leaves him there in ice prison. For 8 years.
But to the rest of the Vongola family, this truth was concealed, so it was widely believed he was kept on strict surveillance instead.
In the present KHR plot, 8 years later, Xanxus gets freed by an unknown person, and, when presented/confronted with his traumas that get dug up again, goes off the rails.
Understanding that this is the only way that he could become Vongola 10th boss, when both the Vongola 9th boss (Timoteo), and the chief external advisor (Iemitsu) approved of Tsuna as the Vongola 10th boss successor, Xanxus plots a scheme in his goal to become Vongola 10th boss.
He has Vongola 9th stuffed inside a deadly robot draining at his life force (LMFAO), then sets up the Ring Battles - a tournament style set-up where he and his Varia members will compete against Tsuna and co., to fight for the Vongola Rings, in deadly matches, in order to decide who will become the Vongola 10th boss and Vongola 10th generation guardians.
(KHR: Varia Arc - Ch. 122)
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When this relevation is revealed:
Tsuna ends up splitting the robot that Timoteo is inside (unaware that he was trapped inside).
Timoteo only apologizes to Tsuna for "allowing Xanxus to escape [from the ice he was encased/trapped in]"
Timoteo then reaffirms that he chose Tsuna as the Vongola 10th successor, and not Xanxus
And never apologizes to his own son
Like WHY is THAT your priorities. Apologizing for allowing him to escape?
FUCKING HATE THIS MAN SM I CAN'T STAND HIS ASS!!!
LIKE WTF IS THIS
This chara can fuck off so hard honestly
Dawg he reminds me of Il (AkaYona) with how they're both a badly written woobified parent chara framed as sympathetic (completely undeservingly)
...
That was your own teenage son and yet you robbed him of his own agency AND the chance to steer his own life and become a better person.
He lost vital years for growing (8 years...), and it shows in the adult-like composure but teenager-like emotional immaturity that Xanxus has.
It's so needlessly heartless and cruel. As I said, this fate of getting locked away in ice (jail) to be forgotten forever, is almost worse than death.
I'm never gonna get over how fucked up it is in context that Timoteo resolved this sitaution by ice-ing his son.
Reborn's words in the KHR manga also confirm what I initially speculated as well: Timoteo misused the Dying Will Zero Point Breakthrough technique, the freezing ice technique.
It was originally created by Vongola Primo (1st generation Vongola boss) to seal away Dying Will flames.
The Cradle Affair situation could've ended with Timoteo just freezing his hands temporarily.
It's not supposed to be used to FREEZE PEOPLE...
He didn't want to deal with the problems he caused by being a shit ass neglective parent tho, so he just froze Xanxus and kept the ice locked away in chains and metal.
Someone like Reborn, who is privy to many of the Vongola family's secrets, even thought he was kept under surveillance after that (which would've been more reasonable).
KEPT OUT OF SIGHT. KEPT OUT OF MIND. FOR 8 YEARS???
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The fact that Xanxus was so enraged (both when he was a teen during the Coup, and as an adult now) is so valid honestly.
Vongola 9th getting trapped inside a robot by Xanxus & the Varia is perfect karma lmfao
I'm glad that KHR's framing on its villains/antagonists is mostly neutral, but I really can't stand the way it treats Xanxus' harboured rage/resentment as something he was in the wrong for
Like it's so obvious that he thinks of "love and friendship" as worthless because his views are so obviously affected by his upbringing - he only knows "love" from the worthless man that betrayed him.
Added with the fact that as an assassin leader, the leader of the Varia, a mafia boss, he never would've had the need for the "Feelings first" attitude that Tsuna has. It is wholly unecessary to him.
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In retrospect, to be "loved" genuinely, is what he (Xanxus) always needed. But he didn't get that. He certainly didn't get it from his shit ass incompetent parent.
Like it framed his harboured resentment and the fact that he was so emotionally broken and riddled with grief and trauma, as something he was in the wrong for (and frames Timoteo as sympathetic).
Which is just... (.) šŸ’€
Magi, which has such a sympathetic and cathartic framing of its antagonist/opposing figure charas, would never do this to me!
Like I agree Xanxus went off the rails overboard (valid of him tho lmfao considering his context) but none of his actions, deserved that kind of fate.
In conclusion, Timoteo can fuck off
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You (Timoteo) treated him, your own son, like a rabid animal fearful that they'll bite someone, and not an actual person.
He NEVER expresses regret for his actions in what he did to his own son which is so fucked up.
So I can't fucking stand his "warm grandad" side he shows to Tsuna. He never shows it to his own son.
Especially when the way Timoteo is treated in both the Varia arc and later arcs as a warmly grandfatherly figure.
Really feels like Amano's "fix-it" writing in trying to frame and woobify (redeem an asshole chara undeservingly) this series' awful parent charas as "See! He was actually good after all!"
I still don't trust the framing of Timoteo in the Simon arc. Like oh this man finally wants to take responsibility now?
For everything except how he treated his son. Lol.
Pack it up cuz none of Amano's "fix-it" writing could ever make me like this chara (Timoteo)
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C: LMAO
There's a huge gap in how Timoteo treats Xanxus and how he treats basically everyone else
Me: Dr. Shamal is just šŸ’€
D*E CISHET TRASH!!!
C: Lmfao valid
Me: It was just this before. Which is completely fine
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Me: And then all of a sudden in 2023 someone inserted their stupid speculations into his wiki page
C: Bhbhbh fucken cursed
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(KHR: Varia Arc - Ch. 134 Spoilers)
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Also it would just make more sense if Xanxus's verbal tic/habit of saying "trash" or "scum" (ć‚«ć‚¹[恩悂], Kasu [domo]) came from how, after being taken in, how his arrogance grew as he became older.
Since he looked down on other families and other Vongola Boss candidate successors from branch families, and saw himself as superior cuz he was basically raised on a pedestal after being taken in and was raised to believe that he'd be the 9th boss' successor
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R: Never trust fandom wikis
C: For real
R: The shipping wiki either šŸ˜
C: LOL
Sounds like a disaster
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R: YEAHH ;;; shipping wikis are so biased it hurts. Why are you putting a ship that was never confirmed canon as canon šŸ‘¹
Me: Oh yeahā€¦ Since it can be edited by anyone I imagine it can be a mess as well
C: Yeah it seems likely he just started saying it at some point
Ahh yeah. Yeah he really thought he was king of the world
C: Help jsngndfsd
C: It feels like it's trying very hard to make Xanxus' character's tragedy and trauma ONLY his early childhood šŸ˜­
To a lot of characters you can apply that they start to use the insults that have been directed at them, but Xanxus justā€¦ doesn't feel like that
Because yeah he's arrogant as hell, he thinks he's above everyone.
C: Exactly omg
Me: RIGHT like that's why it bothers me smā€¦
Xanxus' character tragedy lies in his WHOLE context (ie. His early childhood, the entire Cradle Affair situation)
It's really so insulting to me that it dismisses his character's whole tragedy (in his early childhood and teenage years) while trying to make him come off as some uwu sad boy that was hurt by other people, so now he calls them trash back. That isn't Xanxus.
Dawg if you're at least gonna put fanon speculations can you at least put good ones. LMFAO
Xanxus just doesn't feel like that kind of character. He thinks he's the king of the world, and so, looks down on everyone.
C: Yeaaaaa that's very true
It's just. It's not Xanxus man
C: Yeah
He's simply above everyone
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I am back with an AU I really like the idea of :D
Similar to a previous post on what if after the dbk battle Monkey becomes invisible.
Wukong becomes invisible after his fight with DBK, it starts slowly. First, his hands were a bit translucent that you could see through it but not noticeable enough if you were to see him from afar. At first, it kind of freaked him out because, how the hell was he fading away? Sure those days felt like he should not be seen, days where he shouldn't even be known. Even his monkeys were worried they tried to help in every way they could but sometimes(most of the time) it didn't help.
Eventually, it got worse, from his translucent hands becoming transparent there was nothing that worked. He tried to get back to being opaque but nothing seemed to work, not even the grooming sessions on ffm, as he slowly turned invisible, his chatty attitude seemed to also turn invisible. He would talk less, but if called for help, he'd do his best to help but he wouldn't talk as much as he would before. In about 100 years he's become fully invisible. Some of the immortal monkeys remember what he looked like before but the mortal monkeys would have a little myth that their king is their guardian angel they can't see but would always help out around the mountains.
Yes, even if Wukong is invisible he still tries his best to take care of the mountain as much as he can. It wasn't until he felt Mk's aura, that he felt a familiar pull toward him.
Because Monkey King was already invisible, he didn't see the need to actually transform into different animals to blend in and could shape-shift himself to size to fit in spaces. He watches Mk from afar, though invisible he is still tangible(idk if that's the right word but basically you can still feel some kind of silhouette if you were to touch Wukong), he orders noodles in obscure places if he can't bring himself to eat food from his home. But also because Pigsy's noodles are always so good with their vegetarian meals.
When Mk got the staff and went to FFM, there was a letter from Monkey King to the Monkie kid. The contents of the letter were similar to what he said in season 1 but it's like Mk still can't believe that Monkey King has been in hiding for so long. Wukong still chooses Mk as his successor of course, but Mk invites Wukong to come with him to Pigsy's, despite not being able to see him, he hopes that Wukong knows that Mk's family is always open for people to come by.
If we were to think about how Monkey King would go about teaching MK, I think he would do something similar with S2, remote lessons, and whatnot. Mk is actually quite smart and would have noticed some things have moved from one place to another. Things that didn't seem something the monkeys from ffm could carry by themselves.
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