#literally hes just coping with his trauma
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basu-shokikita · 1 year ago
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Skwisgaar putting distance between him and other people because he feels far too superior to everyone to become friends with them yet also getting depressed when he sees others have fun together because he feels excluded, despite him putting the distance in the first place. Skwisgaar not wanting to be hurt by other people yet using the justification that they're not worthy of his time when really he's just scared of being vulnerable. Nobody can hurt you if you never open up to them. Nobody can forget about you and neglect you when you never become dependent to them in the first place
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ricky-mortis · 11 months ago
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Curtwen Week Day 6: Happy Ending
#I like to believe that there is a universe where they get to grow old together#just one#look once upon a time I read a fic that had me bawling my fuckin eyes out where they get to grow old together#I do want to say that I believe in personal growth and I think that Curt can 100% have a happy ending without Owen- where he can grow#away from that experience and where he can healthily cope with the trauma he ended up with#where he can find solace in something other than alcohol and where he can find it in himself to forge new relationships and build his#connections with people like Tatiana#etc etc#I just want to make it known that this is one of many happy endings that could happen#(amongst the several sad ones that I know also exist)#ALSO I wanted to draw the old men and I do what I want#but yeah something something if the universe is infinite /ref#maybe this is a universe where the banana incident never happened and they were able to retire together#ough#the curtwen feels are really getting me today#I adore them#also I used a new brush ive been having fun with this past week#doesn’t it look cool?#I really like drawing with it and I like how it looks so#we might be seeing more of this one in the future#although 6b is still my guy#damn y��know hypothetically- if Owen (depending on the au) and Curt lived to be in their 60s (at least) they would witness the first Pride#god can you imagine that?#At the very least Curt being around for stonewall and everything that came after that with queer rights#FUCK anyways#fun fact: a group of frogs is called an army#isn’t that cute#reminds me of that one person on TikTok that raised like a thousand frogs- they had a literal army of frogs#crazy#curtwen week
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seeminglyseph · 9 months ago
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it's so funny to me... looking at video reactions and content about the anime of Erased and realize how many people felt like... idk. cuckolded? by the fact that Kayo did not end up with Satoru in the end, but with Hiromi, the boy who also would have died if the timeline had not been reset.
and like. some of my amusement comes from like... my own ignorance in not realizing that would be a reaction. because like. Obviously. We've been in Satoru's shoes this entire journey and it felt like, especially in the anime, Kayo and Satoru were having these big meaningful moments. like. how could that not be a romance? even though Satoru repeatedly is like 'I am 30, I'm not catching feelings in this situation, what am I doing?'
which I took as like. "Oh, he's inhabiting his little 8 year-old body and also has not had social connection in a long time and is just... having emotions. and Satoru's story is about learning to care and feel again. because adult Satoru had shut down so much due to the trauma of both losing so much in his youth and having the adults around him cope by basically refusing to deal with it and shutting it down. Returning to his childhood before the trauma is reawakening his ability to connect, trust and feel again. Which is something adult Satoru is as confused and unfamiliar with as child Satoru would be with a crush so it reads very similar."
but I also like. ran out of episodes at episode 9, then read the manga, then got like... really really invested in what the story had to say about trauma and the cycles of abuse and silence and well meaning cruelty and convenient victims and patterns of violence and community scapegoats and justice and how people act to preserve face and the justice system and like... the anime picked one thing in the manga to focus on and it was Kayo. and it did that thing like... really really masterfully. it made Kayo's story so heartrending that people forgot almost entirely about everything else. but like. the manga is about like... multiple other subjects of which Kayo features predominantly but like. The character that Satoru is freaking out about having been killed in his flashbacks in the manga is Hiromi, because Hiromi was his friend. It doesn't change the fact that Kayo is very impactful, but the story doesn't revolve entirely around her. So the fact that Hiromi and Kayo found love instead of death, but many anime viewers seem to forget entirely that Hiromi is also a would-be murder victim, is because so much of the non-Kayo story is just... not present or altered.
And even stuff with Kayo because like. She came back after being taken to her grandmother and helped them with the investigation and protection of Aya, the other potential murder victim that goes to a different school.
Honestly sometimes I feel like even people who talk about the anime ending being bad vs the manga ending, miss the parts of the manga that the anime changes. The anime is very excellent for what it is as a stand alone piece, however since it had adapted so much out of the manga to make itself a stand alone piece it didn't give itself an ending that matched what it had created. The anime had devoted itself entirely to the Kayo aspects of the story because they evoked such strong emotions, but the ending... isn't about Kayo. because in the manga, the story wasn't about Kayo. the thing that seems kind of funny to me is, they were stuck with 2 episodes to wrap up a fat chunk of the manga. They were always gonna have to do an anime original ending. They *could* have just gone balls to the wall and gone completely original and played into the fact that they'd been focusing on Kayo the whole time. Not necessarily "waits for him the whole time" but something that puts more focus on her to give more emotional catharsis to the audience. Instead it went with the option no one was happy with and did a limp noodle fast adaptation of the last chunk of the manga with no character development or deduction or planting from the rest of the anime because half the scenes that made any of it make sense got cut.
And now everyone remembers Erased as that great anime with a terrible ending. which sucks because the manga honestly really has a lot to say about a lot of topics. And the anime is artistic and beautiful as hell. but like. the fact that so much of the message is fully not like... either adapted or perceived by audiences or like. Ignored. feels like a sign of something kind of frustrating...
Or I am overthinking big time. That's. I guess a possibility. It might not be that deep, but I think it is. there just might be a level of clumsiness in its execution sometimes, but I think the themes and messages are still there...
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the--firevenus · 1 month ago
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Gotham sentient au would fuck so hard if people focus more on the god & worshipper / believer aspect of it between Bruce and Gotham.
Bruce who is not superstitious nor particularly religious (even tho he is culturally / ethnically Jewish), but by God he will be a liar if he said the way he's devoted with Gotham isn't inheritly how one would worship a god.
Like an old god that is dying, her city reflect her stage, no one believe in her anymore, she's been ostracized by the world and she's (Gotham) now only filled with spite, sorrow and rage..but one person, whomst decide to be knight, to be her protector, to be the lighthouse to her people so they can live another day. So she can breathe better.
I felt like Gotham would be more than just a "mother", she is everything and nothing, an eldritch being is the closest thing people can comprehend her to be, but she's neither that nor a spirit. She's in the wind that howling the meadows, she's in the shadow that lurk beside her knight, she is the watchful murders of crow that looked over everything, she is the water, she is the street, she is the blood that spilled and the new life that's born. She's an old god, she's a folklore, she's just a myth that is dying but refuse to die.
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yellowocaballero · 10 months ago
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in love with both the roleswap ficlet you have as well as Utopia. im curious, what are your thoughts/hopes with rin? i feel like she always gets the short end of the stick when it comes to fics and id love to hear anything about her from you
I do have a soft spot for characters who haunt the narrative - who create an empty space so tangible that the void is its own character. When Obito and Kakashi stood in the same room in Utopia, I always considered the imprint she left on them as a third character. Not Rin herself - just how she damaged them. I think it's heartwarmingly toxic yaoi how Kakashi stole Obito's personality, so I decided that Kakashi actually stole the erotic novels from Rin. She was a superfan of bodice ripper steamy romance novels, as it turns out.
You have to make up your own personality for Rin. So I made decisions as an author about writing her for the roleswap. I wanted her to be the Naruto figure - the leader, the glue who held everybody together, the one who was very smart about people. She was just as stubborn and fiercely smart as the boys, but because her genius was in noncombat arts it was overlooked. The idealist and optimist, who hoped so genuinely for a better world. One where she could protect the people she loved. I think Rin loved far, far too much. She and the boys were thrown into insanely traumatic situations far too young, and as a result I think they developed a codependent trauma bond that resulted in over-emotional reliance and falling in desperate teenage love with each other.
As we all know, in Naruto these traits are the recipe for either the greatest hero or the most insane supervillain in the series. The most dangerous person in Naruto is the person who loves too much, who believes in a better world where peace and love and happiness can reign, and who has the power to make it a reality. The person who's lost everything, and as such has nothing to lose.
I don't think one little sword and seal can kill a jinchuuriki.
Yeah, Rin plays a major role in the AU lmfao. Personally, I support women's wrongs. As does Kakashi. #feminisminnaruto
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no1ryomafan · 1 year ago
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Due to circumstances irl me and my friends still won’t be able to finish new getter watch which fuck knows when it’ll be resume now and one of the factors wasn’t even because not everyone could come-like one person was sick but that was it-but because we had a bunch of irl shit happened and I’m just reminded the part of the show we landed on is super fucking angsty and doesn’t get any better and that has probably encapsulated so of my iffy feelings with new despite it being arguably the most best written ova- but I don’t know if I wanna get into a whole rant about it in a post because some people might think I’m reaching even though I’m safer here compared to twit so might keep vague thoughts in the tags below.
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jackdup · 1 year ago
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/ᐠ。ꞈ。ᐟ\ . . . pokes head around corner like the most uncertain and nervous cat you've ever seen— bienvenue !! (。・∀・)ノ
just wanted to pop in quick and thank the folks who have decided to follow back (you all know me from my other disaster blogs, so bless you for willingly following this one, too . . . you're the MVPs)
i'm still kinda dippin' my toes in and gradually getting interactions going while i recover from casi's absence after her visit [blows her a quick kiss (ノ∀`♥)], so thanks for your patience in the meantime!
excited to get to write someone else who's been personally victimized by h/andsome ja/ck (me 🤝 timmy), and i look forward to exploring things with you talented folks! (´◡`)
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geddy-leesbian · 1 year ago
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you know I thought I was being nice and sparing Leon Some trauma in this AU by him not having shitty parents like usual, just dead parents
should have known it couldn't last. accidentally stumbled into a subplot of Luis reminiscing about his grandfather and Leon being like "wait" and realizing oh yeah his parents kinda sucked damn
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onnahu · 5 months ago
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Shen Qingqiu is so funny bc what do you mean all the other mxtx protagonist confront their trauma, beat the big bad and find their peace with the loved ones knowing the dead are at peace, while sqq just refuses to think about anything that makes him slightly emotionally vunereable, instead coping with a terrible humor?
Like, literally the first book, he kills the skinner demon. There is like, one sentence that goes 'oh shit i killed someone, but that's just a book character, but also i killed someone, actually whatever i'll just not think about it' and proceeds to shove the whole ordeal into a neat small box at the back of his mind to be never opened again.
The family he left behind? What family. What life? I don't know what you're on, so imma just make a dick joke and not think about it ever again.
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gremlingottoosilly · 1 year ago
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konig falls in love with his therapist and kidnaps her because he thought her compassion was her showing interest in him
how instead of breathing exorcises as a coping strategy he’s using therapist!reader as a fleshlight for a coping mechanism
You dared to say he has a problem with showing affection and committing to people in non-violent ways. He can be good at showing affection! Great, even! And he will show it to you once he is settled with the basement where he is going to keep you for the rest of your life. At least now you will have time for therapy sessions when he needs it - because you're literally going to be at his beck and call. And on his cock, too. You whimper something about him still having a chance at redemption if he just lets you go, that his coping mechanisms in the form of kidnapping people he cares about are not healthy and won't help him in the long run - but he doesn't fucking care, not when he can pepper kisses across your face and make you warm his cock with your pussy like any good specialist should. Fuck the boundaries and morality - Konig is convinced he can heal his social anxiety by banging his cute therapist. Surely, this is going to make him so much better as a human being. He is very good at breathing, exercises, and counting to ten when it involves plunging his cock deep into your warm pussy and making you milk him for all his worth. He is even better at listening to you when your words are muffled from his cock entering your mouth. If you really want to help him become a functional human being, you will have to adapt - and you will have to let him nuzzle in your chest and listen to his rambling about how much he fucking hated his parents and his old classmates. This man is a bundle of psychological curiosity, and you sort off feel like an explorer, trying to understand whatever the fuck is wrong with him. It's almost impossible to know, honestly - but you're trying to unwrap the layers of trauma settled in this man's head. While giving him head, yes. Konig keeps his pretty therapist chained to his bed and only ever lets you roam around when you're indulging in his mommy issues and domestic fantasies, creating a stable home environment that he never had as a kid. Playing his wife and a little bit of a caretaker, making sure he eats 3 meals per day, all of his snacks, and gets to fuck your pussy while you stroke his head and ask him how many people he killed on his last mission. It is fucked up - but it's a civil service in keeping this man in check.
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faramirsonofgondor · 2 months ago
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AU where Mary and John Grayson come back to life (through magic or some other weird thing idk) and come to the wrong conclusions about the Batfam. Like as soon as they come back they’re transported into the manor where Alfred is just like “Oh dear!” and then walks in Dick, dressed as Batman, with Damian, in full Robin gear (this is when everybody thought Bruce was dead). And Dick’s parents recognize him immediately, and they just kind of roll with it cuz what the hell. And then they turn their attention to Damian (who they heard Dick call “Robin” and who is dressed in their family colors) and they’re just like “aww, a grandson”. And Dick is too in shock to correct them and so he has to roll with it. And then over time Mary and John meet more of the fam and their alter egos but they think that they’re all just apart of the circus and not crime fighting vigilantes because circus performers would be the most obvious conclusion. They’re also under the impression that Dick just built this family himself because it’s not like Bruce is around and Dick always wanted siblings, didn’t he? And like none of the Batfam has the heart to correct them on anything because while Dick can be annoying sometimes, none of them want to mess this up for him. Plus, it was nice to have some adults who had healthy coping mechanisms and stuff. Eventually it becomes harder and harder to keep the charade and they start to bet on who will get caught first.
John: You know you carry an awful lot of guns for someone in the circus. What did you say you do?
Jason, sweating: …..Security
John, who literally died at the circus: Oh, that’s nice. Wish we had that back in the day.
Mary: You know, it’s been a few months of us being back, and I’d love to see you all perform sometime.
Tim, running on two hours of sleep: Uh… you can’t because…… our shows are all sold out!
Mary: Oh, well that’s lovely dear. It’s a shame we can’t go, though.
Eventually, though, the rest of the Batfam start to relax and get closer to Mary & John. Then, funnily enough, it’s Dick “Trauma Is My Middle Name” Grayson who accidentally lets the truth slip during one of his sleep deprived hallucination sessions, in which he believes that Mary and John are also hallucinations and starts ranting about being Batman and such. Mary and John were already able to tell that Dick had been hiding something and that he had trauma because they’re not blind, but they didn’t expect this. But whatever reaction the Batfam was expecting, it wasn’t Mary and John’s slightly disappointed frowns as they exclaimed “So you don’t work for the circus? 🙁” because they had been really looking forward to catching a show eventually.
Bonus: Mary and John figured out that Jason was Red Hood before Dick spilled the beans, but they were just like “Wow! He works as Red Hood and security? He must be great at his job!”
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certifiablyinsanez · 5 months ago
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Okay, I’m not coping well with the emotional whirlpool I’m experiencing after Mastermind. And this scene right here:
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Is something that is haunting me. Because it’s not difficult to see what troubles lie ahead for them, what consequences await for the events of the trial. What do we already know about Blitz? That he has deeply hated himself for many years. Maybe he felt slightly better after Millie’s monologue in Ghostfuckers, but I think we all know that such a deep seated hatred of oneself doesn’t disappear in a single conversation. This much is clear by the pictures in Blitz’s apartment still being blacked out that we can see in the background in Mastermind. And any relief he may have felt from Millie’s sincere story is going to be completely shattered.
I have no doubt personally that Blitz has always thought he ruined Stolas’ life. He’s not a stupid man; he’s observant. He knows the struggles Stolas has gone through with the advent of their deal and relationship. He’s seen the wedge he put between him and his daughter. He knows the kind of hell the divorce has put him through. But now?
If there was any doubt he ruined his life before, it’s gone now. Because Stolas has now utterly, and completely, lost everything. His titles, his status, his wealth, his home, his power. All that’s gone. But worse? He’s entirely lost his daughter now. Blitz will probably never forgive himself for that. I mean shit, he literally said this:
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Stolas is a much more powerful being than Blitz. But Blitz believes he deserves to die rather than put Stolas in harms way. Blitz will probably be wishing that he died rather than live with the fact that he’s brought Stolas low. Stolas’ punishment is far longer than Blitz’s life span. The consequences of saving his life will outlive him. There no chance Blitz will accept this as Stolas’ choice. Not only will he have to deal with the trauma of the trial before Stolas arrived, but also the result of what it’s done to the man he loves more than life itself.
But Stolas? Stolas would do it again. The way he says it, “Always”, is just so raw and softly powerful. Because he’s just had his powers ripped from his body. He’s lost it all, he’s lost his child. But he would do it again. There was no other choice to be made. There was no alternative. He said it himself:
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Stolas is a suicidal figure. He prepped his daughter for the day he wouldn’t be around. He doesn’t value himself or his life at all. He’s suffered tremendously. He probably already believes he’s lost his daughter. His daughter has made it clear that she hates him. Outside of Blitz, who is his light in the darkness, his soulmate and true love, what does he have to live for? To Stolas this was a no brainer. He went to that block with dignity. He was so willing to die for his love.
So when Blitz thanks him for saving his life, Stolas, breathless and weak, says “Always”, because he will always love him, need him, cherish him. He will always put him above himself, which is something Blitz wouldn’t understand but is second nature to a gentle spirit like Stolas. Stolas who escaped the torments of his life in his books, who is humble and sweet with a lowly imp because his body and soul needs Blitz like he needs air. A true romantic, a soft demon who gave it all up for love and would do it again.
Always, he says, and means with every syllable.
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eastons-creations · 2 years ago
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wait but I relate to remus -but I want him as a partner. But I also think he’d kinda suck as a partner bc of his like self esteem issues and how much it effects his day to day interactions (like to the point it’s so unhealthy and it makes him second guess every single word or non word and he like gets in his head about it….I’m gonna stop talking now because I’m realizing I’m kinda talking about myself lol.) but I also relate to sirius and like childhood shit and how it effects him and the sibling stuff, but I wouldnt want canon version of him as a partner (and honestly most non canon versions). That mostly though just cause I’m not attracted to the bad boy vibes but I’d take everything else. The self esteem is a thing too.
IM SO CONFUSED CAUSE ITS LIKE BOTH
let’s be honest, everyone’s favorite ship dynamic is just a character they can project on or relate to, and a character who’s their type
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psychofright · 7 months ago
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I love the AOS versions of Kirk and Spock especially. Not only because they’re just both so catty and downright bitchy towards each other and that’s a funny dynamic, or just because I love the casting choices. Not just because I love watching characters who start as near complete opposites and almost enemies (one driven purely by what seems to be instinct/emotion, the other by what seems to be logic) develop deep respect and love for each other. Mainly, I love their AOS characterizations because they are both so deeply flawed when you get down to it, and it adds a whole layer of depth and complexity to them that other versions of them seem to sometimes lack.
AOS Kirk is a complete product of trauma. And yes, he’s incredibly intelligent to start with. But at the end of the day, his charming and deeply caring personality, his recklessness and disregard for his own safety over that of others, his ability to instinctually know things are going to happen before they happen based on very little logic or evidence to support his “hunch”, his skills to calmly and effectively navigate crisis scenarios, and his general lack of respect for and aversion to (most) authority figures is all birthed of trauma. When you go through the type of shit he went through as a child, it literally rewires your brain and how you process things, and how you notice things. And that makes him a great Captain yes, but he also has very obvious (probably a list of honestly) anxiety disorders, and as such is hyper vigilant and unable to cope with periods of down time (at least, at the start).
And then there’s AOS Spock. He tries his best to be a perfect visage of calm cool and collected, seemingly completely driven by logic, but he’s actually just constantly masking. But then Kirk comes along and is this wholly illogical thing who some how always ends up being right in his predictions (that, to Spock, seemingly are improbable and nearly fantastical, and almost always driven by emotion rather than evidence) and it effortlessly derails Spock’s entire visage of calm and emotional neutrality. He literally has an on-screen meltdown in the 2009 movie when Kirk provokes him after meeting Prime Spock. And at the end of the day, AOS Spock is an overwhelmingly emotional individual who has practically been told since childhood by his society that is unacceptable and wrong. But it doesn’t change the fact that he is, so he just finds ways to bury that side of him and mask it (successfully, even). At least he does until Kirk comes along and Spock hates him automatically, because well, Kirk is a mirror image of Spock, it’s just that the reflection is of his highly emotional side that he tries with great effort to hide, and it’s staring back at him with bright blue eyes and completely unavoidable.
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consciouscarrot · 3 months ago
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simon ghost riley, who loves you with teeth. literally.
he’ll sink his teeth into you at any given moment, it could be whilst you’re doing something completely mundane like folding laundry, and he’ll come up behind you, tilting your head to the side gently before he grazes your skin with his sharp teeth, teasing you as he chooses the perfect spot for his mark before he bites, pressing down hard. enough for you to wince and shift in his hold. but before you can let any murmurs of complaint, he always softens you up, licking away any traces of blood, pressing light kisses around the now sore area and whispering saccharine praises of you being his perfect girl.
however, the majority of the time, he’s not biting you solely for the enjoyment, but to find solace in marking up any untainted skin he can find. simon needs to see his marks on you as a physical reminder that you’re his, wholly and by choice. that you’re here, that you’re real. he needs to see the once smooth skin slowly bruise and for the indents of his teeth to appear beneath the sheen of his saliva, the clear liquid staining red from where he broke the skin. he needs to physically see your form changing because of him, something to remind him that you are here with him, that he’s not still with roba and his mind hasn’t just created you as a cruel way to cope. he bites until he’s forced to believe in the proof of your existence: in the feeling of your skin beneath his mouth tearing and moulding to his bite, in the quiet whimpers you let out, the metallic tang of your blood on his tongue, the smell of your perfume as he nuzzles further into your neck.
he often stays like that with you for a while, swaying slightly with his jaw still clamped down on you as he holds you close to him, strong arms wrapped tightly around you, squeezing just enough to limit your ability to move. you might lift your hand up to his hair, fingers threading through the blond strands, letting your nails drag over his scalp until he lets out a delicious groan into your spit-slick neck that sounds awfully like a purr.
the intimacy of these moments is priceless, and even though you can feel his drool trickling down your collarbone and your neck is stinging, you’d never trade this for anything. you see it for what it truly is, a display of deep trust. in those moments where he’s overcome with the lasting effects of trauma, those times where with anyone else he would pull away completely, eyes cold and tone sharp, craving comfort and affection but unable to accept even a morsel of it. instead, he chooses to push past those automatic responses, he chooses to let you see his vulnerability as he slowly unlearns the hatred and insecurity his father forced onto him. he lets you ease the lingering anger and grief from his past that he’s so desperate to bury.
when he’s finally ready to pull away, head far clearer than before, he’ll gently spin you around in his arms, eyes tracing over your fresh wound, thumbing the edges of the tender flesh, reddened and swollen with his mark. simon takes these moments to watch you, taking in every micro expression to make sure you’re okay and not angry with him; those dark eyes filled with guilt and sweet adoration boring into yours as he presses your foreheads together, lashes fluttering subtly in contentment.
he breathes out a sigh of relief at your slow smile, your hands rising to cradle his jaw, in a way so gentle and loving that only you could achieve.
a nagging part of his brain is always screaming at him to turn these soft, unguarded moments into a more comfortable version, with something he’s much more familiar with- lust. it’s telling him to give up, to turn you back around and bend you over, to punish you for loving him, for trusting him and for letting him trust you. he ignores it, a trick that took many years of patience and forgiveness from you to learn, until that traumatised part of him slowly retreats back, slowly allows him this seemingly fleeting moment of respite.
you’re so understanding that if he wasn’t so broken, he’s adamant that he’d be crying. his sweet lovie. you stay silent, waiting for him to either tell you what he needs, or for him to simply take it. whether that’s lying in bed for the rest of the day, curled up in each others warmth, or space and a little time to himself, you’ll give it to him in a heartbeat. he’d think of himself as one of those self centred, greedy boyfriends that does nothing but expect their girls to be their mums if it weren’t for the way that he knows he does the same for you too. he knows that when you’ve had a bad day, or even when you’ve had a good day, he drops everything immediately to be what you need.
it’s taken him a long time, and he’s still unlearning the bad and relearning the good, but everything feels just that bit easier with you. knowing that you’re his and he��s yours, plus being able to see the clear evidence of that on your skin, it makes him feel like maybe he can be better for you, after all.
hello! just a little smth, might be shit bc i’m rusty and still very new at the whole writing thing so please be kind. will probs disappear again after this. i hope you all had or are having a lovely day <3
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liedownquisition · 2 months ago
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Every time someone, whether in-universe or in meta tries to say that Jason's a "loner" I think about two things:
First of all, the fact that Bruce is frequently referred to as a loner, both in universe and out, as if he doesn't literally constantly have his emotional support child and a rotating cast of lovers (sometimes multiple in any given story at once). In this instance, it's used to try and make Bruce seem "cool," which whatever ig.
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Batman #359, which, is so fucking funny to me because this is before Batgirl and Talia showed up in this story. Catwoman too. It was a real fucking ensemble. He's berating himself for snapping at Dick, and sending some civilians (The Todds btw) to die, against Dick's advice, because he's being bitchy about Catwoman. Like, my man, you have a mental breakdown every time you're truly alone. You're not a loner but maybe you should be.
Secondly, is Jason a loner or is he just always alone and isolated? Is he a loner or does he just not know how to be any other way? Jason consistently through both pre- and post-crisis express a lot of desire to be around other people/build connections, as well as referencing factors that isolate him from them. (I'm not sourcing every incident here but here's Jay trying to bond with Bruce right after he gets taken in, and some stuff wrt Jason at school)
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Detective #527 (Pre-Crisis)
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Batman#395 (Pre-Crisis. This is him being jealous of Catwoman, sure, but given how often in this arc it's referenced that he's isolated from the other kids in school- despite being on some kind of presumably sports team. I think it's baseball? I'm trying to find the exact issue that it actually SHOWS him on said team but it is referenced in the issues leading up to when they switch over the histories.)
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Batman Annual #12 (This is Post-Crisis)
In Brothers in Blood Jason's trying to reach out to Dick. I'm not saying he did it the right way or that Dick was wrong for rejecting that, but he did literally expressly say that he was trying to reach out to him. in his brief period that he worked with the Titans, it's explicitly stated that he'd had to sneak out from under Batman's nose to join up with them. Jason has a sparse few interactions with mostly adult heroes in Pre-Crisis and the only hero his age he gets to meet is Kid Devil/Eddie Bloomberg and that's nebulously canon or not since Pre/Post-Crisis was a soft, slowly rolled out reboot where they changed a lot of things in retrospect but also implicitly kept others. (N52 was also like this but I get the impression Crisis was marginally more organized.)
UtH was Jason reaching out to Bruce for connection. Again, not really the right way to go about it but he pretty obviously/expressly wanted affirmation that his relationship with Bruce DID matter to someone other than himself because he felt it had been stripped from him and false.
Someone who keeps reaching out to other people, but gets rejected because they did it wrong, is not a loner.
When those attempts fail and he reaches out less and less, that's not loner behavior, that's lonely behavior, maybe even a dash of self-loathing. When he starts sabotaging his relationships further he thinks they're already fucked, that's not loner behavior, that's bad coping mechanisms for childhood trauma. I don't care that they state it exactly that he's some kind of "loner," his actions don't agree with that statement.
Is his status something of a self-fulfilling prophecy at this point? Yeah. I keep seeing people refer to him this way and, jesus. y'all wanna ostracize him so badly sometimes. You don't want him here you don't want him there. You use the "loner" rhetoric to enforce the idea that his isolation is a good thing that he wants. They use it IN UNIVERSE from the mouths of characters who have biased views about him.
If he's such a loner why does he keep going back? Why does he answer every call? Like a beaten, but unfortunately faithful dog that can't help but return to their abusive master.
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