ok regretevator fandom i know its "canon" that fleshcousins are only sentient and not sapient but when you look at the dialogue of fleshcousins it seems to say the opposite.
fleshcousins can and will react to being referred to negatively
not only in this instance with gnarpy does fleshcousin argue with gnarpy, it also emphasizes words like how someone irritated would. like hello?
chat fleshcousin literally tells lampert to kill himself after being insulted. there is no conversation elsewhere where fleshcousin gets told to kill itself to learn this. also before the threat it tries to insult lampert. thats not a parrot thats a very insulted and very salty creature.
in the first interaction with spud, the fleshcousin seems to be talking to itself and then appears to get irritated when spud is like "wow i could have ended up like you guys"
in the second interaction with spud, it seems to actually correct him and then, to me, appears to do its equivalent of an irritated grunt when spud is like "you're just like a personal diary!!"
the above is more tangentially related but fleshcousin seems to not only be genuinely irritated by unpleasant's existence, but then proceeds to also use language of others that it has learned. i find it interesting that specifically gnarpy and infected are used here, as gnarpy is the one who has the most irritated dialogue to learn from, and infected is the most related to unpleasant
2. it knows how to communicate discomfort/pain
ok i know this sounds weird but trust me. in most animals that can be trained to use words to communicate, it often takes A WHILE for them to accurately use language to mention pain. normally they learn stuff for things like food first.
for this one, the second and third line are my focus. the first one is pretty clear in the distaste for the snowball. however, the third line reveals not only a negative reaction, but trying to joke about it. "kb what is the joke" well you see my non-fleshcousin-brained friend, the joke is [as best translated as possible] "is it already winter?"
the flash beacon is what we're really here for though. not only can it associate bright, painful light to something it already knows, it A: communicates that it hurts and B: is able to recognize that you control it and asks you to stop hurting it
the reason why that is Huge is that most animals don't as for you to stop. they either run away or fight. when they ask for things to stop, most commonly its with another animal in the same species with their (body) language.
fleshcousin asks for you to stop in YOUR language!! thats huge!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
3. fleshcousins can recollect people and inform others about them‚ and can potentially observe other peoples relationships
first off, fleshcousin tells mark that wallter misses him. [also, it appears it finds it funny that mark censors itself but that might just be me]
in this one, fleshcousin tells wallter that mark misses him and just how much he does, as well!!!! like hello thats crazy!!
this one has fleshcousin describe its own relationship with bive and scary mike, which honestly makes me want to bawl my eyes out. like it calls her and mike friends. i literally will cry forever about this
but the most interesting thing fleshcousin mentions multiple times...
IS HOW OFTEN IT MENTIONS FOLLY, AND SOMETIMES MIMICS HER?!
the last one under petal cone references folly's laugh
this one might be a stretch but i think this idle is referencing folly's forest, the "barn" being the forest and "the wrongs" referencing how closely related folly's deal is to malice
when you look at its folly interactions it seems VERY interested in folly
we're mentioning the farm again
we're just straight up describing folly here. hello!!
now listen any other time i'd call it a stretch but its talking to wallter, who it knows the relationships of. folly is heavily associated with that gigantic tree. pillows are associated with sleep. this has to be at least a red herring. like. chat.
theres more but this is already getting too long. chat fleshcousins are sapient if you look at the actual writing, whether intended or not!!
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Description: A short take on the relationship between Dottore and his segments, and himself as an extension.
Type: Character study (of sorts) | Word count: 612
A/N: These thoughts have been stuck in my head for weeks now, but I feel like what I want to write wouldn't end up how I want it to be at my current ability, so I'm releasing it into the wild like a bird and if it comes back to me later on I might end up picking at it again.
Il Dottore holds a fascination for machinery- Khaen'riah or otherwise. There is an eagerness in taking things apart, and then putting them back together, the understanding of each component separately further interwoven in the functions of the whole. It was inevitable that, then, he would eventually work on (and with) recreations of himself in the form of an union between man and machine. After all, a human is nothing more than a machine of a certain level of complexity, is it not?
The segments, as arduous and expensive as their process of make is, all make up the Doctor, even though the sum of all their parts does no equate to the man himself. And yet the Doctor himself knows the sum of all their parts individually, having put them together from scratch, validating all their functions himself, no doubt.
And funny how the man with so much disdain for himself had to have spent hours, days, maybe weeks even, to recreate his own person time and time again, at different stages of life. Unless he were to have a photographic memory - which, after over 400 years of life, had to have discarded the "less important" parts - he'd have sat with his own past selves and their visages until their (his, back then) looks mirrored the Irminsul data perfectly, or perfectly enough with the exceptions of mechanical details visible on the outside.
Ironic, that every wire and bolt under his fingertips is comitted to memory, and that every power connection down to the core was placed with careful consideration, every component put in place undamaged. A man ever at odds with himself in all his forms knows himself inside and out, intimately, even if the psychological roads don't always go both ways to the end. (Even though he'd made sure to establish connections between them all, in the end.)
Is it irksome, knowing that the bearers of your own person are simultaneously one of the most fascinating things you yourself have come to create? Is it irksome, having that fascination of the intricacies of mechanical constructs, the pride of one's own work, and the love for the sheer subject of knowledge be interwoven with someone (something) equally as proud and stubborn and set in their own ways as you, someone you've known to hate? (Is it irksome, to feel any sort of appreciation towards a version of yourself in ways that nobody ever did, would, or could, feel towards you as you are now? To feel it even against all the negatives you face in your own mirror, metaphorical or otherwise?)
Would the older segments understand, having been created with the memories of make of the previous copies? A silent acknowledgement and a refusal to engage further in the deeper feelings is likely something that had passed between them, past any lingering thoughts or touches in the cases of maintenance and enhancements. Who is Dottore, after all, to address something as insignificant as whims of personal feelings in situations that would not benefit him further, in this instance?
In the end, the segments are replacable. They can be made anew, with the same techniques, to fill the same roles. It is something that is a hassle, sure, but one worth going through. Years upon years of working on, with, and perfecting the method has surely enabled the Doctor to cut a few corners here or rearrange a few things there. Nothing that would necessarily change any functions or sabotage the quality, but improvements are natural in technology of any kind, especially one often worked with. And Dottore is nothing if not someone that strives towards improvement in his own ways.
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in a weird place with my illness currently wherein i feel fundamentally alienated from the majority of the online spoonie community because the things happening to my body are so far beyond the scope of chronic fatigue and/or general joint pain that it's like. mindboggling. like we are living fundamentally separate lives like there is very little overlap in our fears or experiences, even when we have some shared symptoms. and at the same time i am fundamentally excluded from online Very Serious Disease (TM) communities because i do not have cancer or a terminal diagnosis and my organ damage has not been quantified yet (even tho several medical professionals have agreed it for sure exists in some form) so i'm not really sick.
i'm just so tired. there's, like..... there are tiers of Feeling Sick when you're chronically ill, and from what i've seen online most spoonies are at a tier of "coping day to day, strategizing," and then people talk about the tier of "if you suddenly unequivocally know that you're going to die extremely soon, you HAVE to go to the hospital, because you are probably right"
there's a middle tier that's more along the lines of "i am not going to die tomorrow but i am going to die. i am helpless and if i don't get help from a doctor i am going to die and i am getting slowly worse because my body is eating itself and/or shutting down because i am going to die. i am in desperate need of immediate medication that i cannot get because i have to wait to see a specialist prescriber and my body will continue to slowly shut down in the meantime and i will continue to slowly die but it will be so slow that nobody will really care"
like where do i go with that what do i do with that. what am i supposed to do about the five-year survival rate for vasculitis being 78% and most of the deaths being people who couldn't see a doctor in time to get the medicine they need. while i'm waiting to see a doctor to get the medicine i need and i'm feeling things get worse and worse. i don't have any community that's going through the same thing because i'm not sick enough but i'm also way way way too sick simultaneously.
i dunno i dunno i dunno. i'm overtired which means that my emotions are fried and people are talking about disability pride month starting tomorrow and that just made me cry because some of my physical issues are so common/widespread that i Should have a community but i just. don't. i don't have a community that's specifically Mine i'm just alone out here or at least that's how it feels. like don't get me wrong i have my family and friends and support network i'm not ALONE alone and all of that is wonderful i just. feel very alone. as far as the current experience goes.
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currently working on: surviving lmaooo. i was working on tag games, answering asks, catching up on simblr stuff & some story posts to add to the queue because it's ending soon-ish, but i've been derailed by constant chaos, assignments, and me getting a nasty respiratory virus this week
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