#ldpdl → desires

[str1ga]

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[kanjichris]

"why don't you want him to know how much you love him?" "that's a little personal. he knows." "uh-huh."

[divorceblogger]

Interview with the Vampire 2x02: Do You Know What It Means to Be Loved by Death // I had been hungry, all the years by Emily Dickinson

[amvguy]

though honestly, sir all I wanna do is get naked in front of you so you can look me up and down and give me your love for being so good > louis de pointe du lac // real men

[forgetimabluedreamer]

[laniidae-passerine]

decided that in my own personal canon, Santiago’s maker looked similar to Louis, simply because Ben Daniels stated that Santiago was very likely in love with his maker. and wouldn’t it be some kind of torture to fall in love with the man who murdered your first vampiric love? to then watch him fall in love with another, who bears an eerie resemblance to that first love? to be witness to something tender and affectionate blooming, every moment a memory of how none of those you’ve adored have ever wanted you back? it would be agony. it would be torture. god, you would just hate them to pieces, loathing even as you loved them. and you wouldn’t know peace - not until the whole pack of them learnt the horror of love, just as you have.

[blueiight]

Hi! Could you elaborate on what you meant in this ask : "the fans do not understand racial sexual politic + how desirability operate in tandem with the cultural mythological concept of vampire. and what it actually means to make louis, claudia, armand [+ whoever else] black/vampires of color.. thankfully the showrunners + team get it, but it makes some cyclical conversation about xyz or abcd topics very annoying bc its just like..idk if i should say read a real book + step ur knowledge base up or what guys.. cuz its not a mistake on part of the show or even fans who write fic or recognize such tropes."

Are you talking about the black Mandingo trope? Or something else?

funny u say the mandingo trope cuz at first fandom was veering toward that n when i first got on here i was rly wary of that trope but amc ldpdl now has the stunning accomplishment of being the first black male chara to not be treated like the mandingo. congrats🤷🏾but what i was thinking of moreso now was how fans struggle with writing armand (this is a problem from the book fandom too imo) is that they take a particularly condescending read of him bc hes a character w/ sexual trauma& how they interpret anne rice’s writing of the ukraine/armand’s relationship w the human he once was. its infantilization meets foolishness that becomes troubling when u have a south asian armand when south asian men are often totally desexualized in western media (& how the vampire in western cultural messaging relies on a lot of stereotypes of the ‘east’). its a big choice to make armand a south asian with those things in mind. ive seen some treat show armand as if hes still a 17 year old (physically) when really hes at least late 20s when he was turned & is still nonetheless, a 500+ yr old vampire. with claudia ive talked about it amply too on how ppl acted like 14 was ‘grown’ or being trapped in a permanent adolescence as a black vampress isnt a special hell of its own lol

[dwreader]

its super interesting that both a doll's house and a streetcar named desire had to have their endings altered in certain instances to appease the audience/censors/social mores. ibsen was forced to alter the ending so nora stays with her family for the german premiere of a doll's house since he was told the original ending would be received poorly there. streetcar's film adapatation famously had to comply with the hays code (under which bad behavior must be punished) and ended with stella leaving stanley. in each case a woman choosing to leave or stay in a marriage was considered unpalatable to audiences, which really encapsulates how women are harshly judged no matter what choice they make or don't make.

in the same way louis is blamed by some fans for taking part in the murder plot (to allow his child to escape the abusive patriarch) and also blamed by others for being unable to finish the job (cause loving an abuser is ""wrong""). with a writer's room full of playwrights it seems impossible that this wasn't taken into consideration in developing the story but it makes for a very interesting adaptation to ME personally as a theatre enjoyer. stella and nora's choices were meant to challenge the audience's perception of marriage, there was meant to be an uneasiness/discomfort felt about their choices and its kind of crazy we're being put in the same boat watching ldpdl navigating marriage in a fantasy vampire show in 2023. i think the fact that so many viewers are uncomfortable and resisting the show's themes makes it so much more interesting than if it was just campy gay fun as some would prefer it to be.

[str1ga]

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[gallierhouse]

ldpdl is the epitome of pretty privilege, apart from not taking any responsibility for his actions, he really is so use to being hot that he doesn’t even realize it’s not normal to have all those vampires men obsessed with you and wanting to fuck you, it’s the same in the books lol I’m jk but not

I mean, I do think Louis takes responsibility for his actions in the show. Maybe not to the degree that Claudia would like, but he doesn’t write himself out of culpability. But that aside, yeah. Much of his life is governed by how men desire him. Double-edged sword, though. I know someone like that and I can’t take them anywhere unless I feel like being late because they’ll constantly get stopped on the street. They also don’t seem to be remotely cognizant of the fact that this is strange. But hey, I forgive them, because it’s really hard to say no to a face like that. Demons talk to me like the Green Goblin mask, and those demons are bisexuality.

[thelioncourts]

Ohhh thank you. Yeah that plus KP deleting it when he’s such an open book and shares everything is telling lol. I mean he says SO much on his Insta that if they told him to delete it must be important lol

Umm anyways ldpdl still hottest girl in the universe no question 😬

ldpdl is the It(TM) girl. no one compares, no one will ever compare, he's beautiful, stunning, gorgeous, world-stopping, lovely, alluring, incomparable, astonishing, breathtaking, beguiling, charming, sensuous, desirable, the most amazing to ever exist.

[saint-louisdulac]

Lestat just answered a question on desiring Daniel and how he would show it. What are your thoughts on the boy who interviewed you 49 years after the fact?

Daniel is a very dear friend of mine and we’ve had a lot of fun together. He’s one of the only people in my life who’s relatively sane and he knows how to talk to me whenever I get in my ways or if I’m feeling depressed. He’s the anchor to my vessel, even if they are times when we debate one another and get on each other’s nerves. I truly do have a certain respect and love for him, even if it isn’t romantic in a sense.

~LDPDL

[usuallydeepalpaca-blog]

Ldpdl unfortunately there are sexual urges and desires I want you to fuck me in papa's orchard

JACOB ANDERSON as Louis de Pointe du Lac

Interview with the Vampire, AMC - Series 2, Episode 2

[blueiight]

The show targeting white liberals like the type who watch amc shows like mad men, breaking bad etc especially Western Europeans who have weird opinions on prostitution/sex work like a lot of them prob think the government cracking down on prostitution was a bad thing (especially as it was instigated by Wilson who was hardly anyone’s idea of a good prez). it’s no surprise it goes over their heads esp since there isn’t a character who actively calls out his profession not even daniel (but then he is a white liberal just like a lot of the shows audience)

the president/s who drove prohibition policies & crackdowns on prostitution was motivated by the need to ‘whip their citizens into shape’ and was far more likely to blame & arrest the women then they would be to arrest & hold the pimps accountable. in most government initiated ‘crackdowns’ on prostitution, it is unfortunately, the victims who are targeted by the government & shamed by their friends/family for being ‘loose women’ rather than the tricks, pimps and buyers.. im not the smartest person nor do i have the solution in mind but i want ppl to understand my criticisms are centered around ppl on multiple echelons sharing the fundamental view that black women, especially poorer black women, are disposable. this view bleeds into their interpretation of even fictional characters, their understanding of the scale of ‘good’ v. ‘evil’. ur biases impede ur interpretations of whats on screen. its difficult for ppl to accept that louis is morally objectionable off the jump bc they do not think a black man getting rich off sexually marketing poorer [primarily] black women to racist city leaders is evil enough in their eyes. these women are not ‘desirable’ ‘worthy’ victims – theyre NPCs to the avg fan. the showrunners was brilliant to make ldpdl a pimp here, bc while the avg person who watch amc stuff/lib modern vamp fan can somewhat [doing a lot of heavy lifting here] understand the evils of being a white chattel slaveowner of the antebellum period, they r far more reticient when commenting on [what they view as] intracommunal power dynamics btwn the black man & black woman. i can think of dan giving lou some shit a few times: when louis tries to make a euphemism out of his old hustle [‘diversified portfolio of businesses’] daniel was like ‘ur a pimp’ & louis once again, dwelling in the semantics of it all, says the product was desire & dan just lets him go on. and in the s1 finale daniel was like ur 145 years old and still the pimp, paying a hoe to listen to u. cant say thats principled ‘critique’ or dan being motivated out of altruistic concern for the condition of black women in the gilded age [LOL] so much as it is dan being a smartass + reacting to lou, but if even the smug old white fictional character can recognize theres something off about pimping, so should the 3d human beings.. u shouldnt need a fictional chara to tell u right or wrong u should already understand it but alas

[blueiight]

provided the comical realism of the amc iwtv verse n if modern louis is a B billionaire not M millionaire it could all mean ldpdl is like 1 of the now fifteen (irl its fourteen) black ppl on this earth whos a billionaire & its interesting cuz the only black billionaires r either part of giant manufacturing/trading or came up in the entertainment industry. n its interesting . definitely something to go w/ there. the mortal ldpdl as a big time enterprise of human desire vs. the immortal, retelling his story to a journalist & the journalist having to, on some level , sell this as entertainment . bc he cannot sell it as a sort of truth to the wider of humanity. this is a story for the vampires, by a black vampire. the white man who would typically control a black man’s narrative is rendered a conduit, a part of the story as well.

[knifeeater]

imho louis feeding from armand is something they do outside of daniel being there, the scene has a quality of putting the bedroom on display for someone you're seducing. it's not only sexual but also a controlled way for louis to feed in the sense that he can abandon himself to the hunger without the fear of killing his victim. (at the same time still in a second hand way sharing in armands kills, something i’m sure he supresses to hell and back.) it's an interesting reversal also in the coding of feeding on someone as taking on a dominant role. like you said ‘feeding a baby bird’ is indicative of nurture which is on 1st sight the role of a servant (rashid) but is revealed to be on 2dn sight creating a space for louis to give over control over his own needs and desires to someone else (armand). service dom armand truthers please stand up.

i've just been rereading the theatre des vampires part and one of my favorite lines which i think speaks to this is: "my heart growing calmer, as if his calm were drawing off my trepidation, my care, like the sea drawing something into itself from the land." this illustrates not only that it's armand's quality of drawing pain and depression into himself that appeals to louis so much, but also one of the main attractions for him being enabled (in a way almost forced) to relinquish control and further down the line learning to self-regulate. (something which armand is exceptionally skilled at to the same amount that it's the very antithesis to lestat unbridled indulgence de lioncourt. there's another essay right there.)

this ofc returns in the infamous ldpdl tradwife great feminine longing line because the only way anne rice could conceive of those dynamics is in binarily gendered terms, which is why i'm very happy the show complicates them in a more complex and interesting way.

octavia butler voice dependency is deeply sexy if it is chosen and not coercive louis in choosing to drink from people repeatedly and non-fatally instead of killing becomes dependent on their consent for his basic needs. in his quest for control over himself he has to give up some control over others and be in relationship with people who would otherwise be objects or animals to him. but of course he does still have power in these relationships because we can assume most/all of these people are employees who need the money – perhaps desperately – and then that leads us to real-world analogies like selling your plasma and paid surrogacy and oh look at that we've arrived back at sex work. in the ideal scenario you would have a kind of even pull of mutual need and trust between louis and the people working for him, but the real world is often not ideal.

and these are all men everyone you see in the house is a young man, and the sexual element of that is unavoidable but also kind of distant and sterilized. louis is clearly invested in maintaining relationships with the people he's biting that are at least like. one-to-one and professional and respectful and that's pretty much what he achieves, or at least succeeds in projecting to daniel. but it's not sexy beyond the conceptual. the way he interacts with damek isn't intimate it's polite it's like damek came to drop off his dry cleaning.

and then there's rashid and this is where i'm coming at long last to my point which is like. post the armand reveal the context of that contrast changes dramatically. the beautiful young man who works for louis but also loves him and stuffs himself with sweet things before he offers up his neck – which from one perspective is a submission to him but from another is feeding him like a little baby bird – doesn't exist. it's a fantasy. it's a relationship he doesn't have with the people he's drinking from but possibly wishes he did. and we don't know if they're performing this primarily for each other or for daniel and what that expresses about what dependencies they really have going on but it is interesting in that it's like. almost aspirational