#knight lyonor

[kxmpfflieger]

Lautrec and Lyonor monthly mourning session

[queer-ragnelle]

✏️ + 😭(and how do you overcome them? + ❓ if you could summarize each of your duologies with an overarching theme, what would it be?

✏️ What are your current WIPs about?

Dusk Eternal is a Romantic Suspense and Psychological and Body Horror duology from the perspectives of Ragnelle and Gawain. It evokes the narratives of The Wedding of Sir Gawain and Dame Ragnelle, The Marriage of Sir Gawain, The Turke and Sir Gawain, Sir Gawain and the Green Knight, Lady of the Fountain, The Crown, the Vulgate, the Avesta, and The Shahnameh. Plot-bearing side characters include Gromer, Gaheris, Owain and Laudine, Morgan le Fay, Agravaine and Laurel, Beaumains, Lancelot and Galehaut, Amurfina, Pelleas and Ettarde, Kay and Bedwyr, and characters from Persian mythology including Arash the Archer, Simorgh, and Zal. Legacy Lost is a “Whodunit” Mystery, Monster and Psychological Horror duology from the perspectives of Lamorak and Agravaine. It evokes the narratives of the Prose Tristan, Geraint and Enid, La Tavola Ritonda, Le Morte d'Arthur, and the Vulgate. Plot-bearing side characters include Pellinore and Ursula, Lot and Morgause, Laurel, Tor, Gawain and Ragnelle, Aglovale, Gaheris and Lynette, Gareth and Lyonors, Mordred, Geraint and Enid, Palomides, Dinadan, Morgan le Fay, Tristan and Isolde, Kay and Bedwyr. Chivalry's Bond is a Conspiracy Thriller/Suspense and Monster Horror from the perspectives of Perceval and Elaine. It evokes the narratives of Parzival, Peredur, Culhwch and Olwen, Morien, and the Vulgate. Plot-bearing side characters include Ursula, Dindrane, Lancelot, Pelles, Brisane, Aglovale, Lamorak, Tor, Morien, Culhwch and Olwen, Ysbaddaden, Guinevere, Gawain and Ragnelle, Kay and Bedwyr. Misbegotten is a Coming of Age and Psychic Horror duology from the perspectives of Mordred and Galahad. It evokes the narratives of Alliterative Morte, Wigalois, Sir Libeaus Desconus, and the Vulgate/Post-Vulgate. Plot-bearing side characters include Morgause, Agravaine and Laurel, Lancelot and Elaine, Arthur and Guinevere, Gawain and Ragnelle, Gingalain, Lovel, Bors, and Lionel. The ending duology is... a Tragedy of everything mashed together.

😭 What are the biggest challenges writing your WIPs?

Maintaining momentum and consistency. It's very easy to feel like I put all my creative power into book 1 and then had none left for the rest because of burn out. I realize though it doesn't have to be perfect, it just has to be done. I'm determined to follow through and finish before I die. Back on the grind in 2025.

❓ If you could summarize each of your duologies with an overarching theme, what would it be?

Dusk Eternal: The horrors (our outer selves don't match our inner selves). Legacy Lost: The horrors (monsters are real and they know my secret). Chivalry's Bond: The horrors (religious trauma can manifest tragedy). Misbegotten: The horrors (submitting to the mortifying ordeal of being known). End: The horrors (we tried our best but it wasn't good enough).

[gingersnaptaff]

I know you already answered but can I ask again for another 😈💏 and also 😇

YES, EVAN ABSOLUTELY!!!!!!!

😈 Who is a character you discovered this year? (Negative, beloathed)

ESPINOGRES. Bad man. Bad. Evil. Don't KIDNAP LADIES. Don't try and vamp your daughter. Don't abandon a paramour cuz you found a better model. What is WRONG WITH YOU?

🧑‍❤️‍💋‍🧑 What is a ship you discovered you enjoy this year?

People shipping Gareth x Lynette, you're doing the lord's work. God bless. (I kinda thought they would get together but was super sad when they didn't. Why did she get lumped with Gaheris? Why did Gareth have to go with Lyonors. Why do I feel so strongly about this?)

Also Gawain x Kay. Holy fuuuuuuck. Rewired my brain chem. Thank u, Cherith Baldry. Thank u Exiled From Camelot. Thank you @caer-gai and @queer-ragnelle for recommending it

😇 Who is a character you discovered this year? (Positive, blorbo)

PALOMIDES!!!! Sir, I was not familiar with your game and that is ON ME. Shout out to Lev Grossman's 'The Bright Sword' for that. Superb book. Beloved. My penguin hot water bottle is now called Pal because of Palomides. (Also, Parrot because of the anon who suggested I name it after the parrot from 'Knight of the Parrot.'

[windflowerofskellige]

“What’s wrong?” Asked the Nordling Knight.

Lyonors’s hands trembled. “There is a girl... I see her in my dreams. There is fire and smoke. My father will not look at me. There is a girl. Will she be the end of me?”

[a-system-of-nerds]

Alright. Tell me of your retelling

Well, I’ve decided to pull bits and pieces that I like from other stories and tweak some things as it suits me. Here’s a list of things:

- Mordred will be more of a hero, as he was characterized in some of the earliest stories.

- For the Arthur-Guenevere-Launcelot love triangle, I’m making Guenevere the bad guy.

- Sir Ector fought with Aurelius Ambrosius to help put him back on the throne.

- Arthur’s first wife will be Lyonors, the daughter of Earl Sanam. A few years into their marriage, she bears him a son, named Borre. A year or so after that, she dies, leaving Arthur to struggle with raising his son and being king. At the urging of the older, more pretentious knights, he gets engaged to Guenevere. This causes a lot of other things.

- Laurel will be the cousin of Lynette and Lyonesse.

- Uther is “friends” with Merlin. It starts with Uther just pretending to be friends with him, needing his powers, but then it becomes genuine. However, he’s possessive of him, needing him to be his friend.

- Sir Bors has Autism Spectrum Disorder.

- The order of the Orkney siblings goes like this: Gawain, Soredamors, Agravaine and Clarissant (twins), Gaheris, Gareth, and Mordred. (There may be one more sibling added, Elayne.)

- Sir Gawain’s squire, Yvonet, is incredibly loyal to him, and, even after Yvonet becomes a knight himself, if it comes down to it, he will act as Gawain’s squire rather than a knight.

- Dinadan had a lover who was a Leanan Sidhe, an Irish vampire who gives inspiration to poets and musicians. Usually, a Leanan Sidhe shares with their lovers their intelligence, magic, and creativity, and when the Leanan Sidhe leaves, their lover dies from grief. The Leanan Sidhe then took their lover’s body to their lair and puts their blood in a cauldron, which is the source of their inspiration and beauty. So, when Dinadan ran away from home, he travelled a bit and met one. He was in a relationship with her, but he discovered the cauldron. His admiration turned to disgust as he learned what she was. He managed to get away and never went back to Ireland.

- Guenevere was the reason Dinadan died. She wanted to make Launcelot believe in her, so she told him that Dinadan was going to die. He didn’t believe her, but she used her powers to possess Agravaine, who was on a quest with Dinadan to end the previously mentioned Leanan Sidhe’s rein in Ireland. They were heading back when Agravaine attacked the already injured Dinadan. When Agravine awoke from the possession, he rushed Dinadan back to Camelot, where he died in Launcelot’s arms.

That’s about all I can think of for now. Thanks for asking; have a great day!

[tillman]

So, a question: I'm not sure how to approach Gareth. I'm fond of the headcanon of him being a trans man, and I have thought that, in order to get a male body, he reached an agreement with a fae that he'll get one if he worked in Camelot's kitchen without revealing his real identity. However, when he accepts the quest to save Lyonors a year hasn't passed, and the fae decides to ruin Gareth's and Lyonors' sexy times by making the male body disappear. He is distraught and Lyonors is like (1/2)

(2/2) "sister, an evil fairy has tricked my boyfriend, and you sending knights out of thin air doesn't help! Make the same spell", and she does, not knowing that means that Gareth has to work in their kitchen now. When the year passes Lyonors organizes a jousting match for their wedding, Gareth defeats his family and explains what happened, Gawain is like "Cool I love you brother" and that stuff. Problem is IDK if it's transphobic or not. Do you think you can help me? Thanks

Uhhhh ok im not like. Able to say if its transphobic from just like.. 2 asks but from what I can get:

It would be super transphobic to have him lose his body (like. Is that detransitioning) and have people only care about it for sex. Trans peoppe can have sex like anyone else even without transitioning? I think the entire thing of taking away someones prefered body they got through any means has a huuuge like. Conotation of transphobia in that his transness is something that can just be taken away at the whims of another - not his own.

I dunno I cant rlly say. Its all on how u handle it but those are my personal trans opinions. Other trans people r free to say how they feel this is just how I feel. Im not the end all be all

[forthegothicheroine]

A little more dark Arthurian fanfiction

This fits into Darkest Timeline, but it also totally fits in if you haven’t read that.

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“You’re pardoning the Red Knight?  You’re sending him off to swear fealty to Arthur, and you’re pardoning him?”  Lynette was practically spitting with rage.  “You saw the trees decorated with the bodies of the slain!  You know what he intended to do to my sister!  To your wife!  And you’re pardoning him?”

“The man surrendered and pledged to swear fealty” said Gareth, but already he was sounding less certain than before.  He turned to look at Lancelot, who nodded, as if to say that his protege had done well.  Lynette rounded upon him, angrier than before.

“And you!  The greatest knight in Christendom, and you didn’t lift a finger to help us, all so your pupil could have his chance to shine.  This is a game to all of you, isn’t it?  Chivalry!  Rescuing fair maidens and honorably defeating foes!  Well, it’s people like me and Lyonors who have to actually live through it.  It’s not a game when you’re holed up in a castle with a madman demanding he be given your sister or he’ll continue to kill any he sees!”

She took a step closer to Lancelot, braver than most knights would have been.

“You’d have gone if it had been Guinevere who was threatened.”

“I-”

“And you know exactly what I mean.”  Lynette turned on her heel and fled the area in a fury.

[oneshoulderangel]

Okay, I’m pretty scared to say this, cause I don’t want to offend anyone but...

I really don’t like Arthur and Guinevere. I don’t like Guinevere. I have always hated that Arthur’s only love interests are his sister or a wife who loves someone else. This displeasure cause me to look at every possible love interest I could find for Arthur. That lead me to Lyonors. She’s the daughter of the Earl of Sanam (no idea where that is). She gave him a son who became a knight of the round table. This is all I know about her, but I’ve decided I ship it.

This is just my opinion with my own interpretation of these characters.

[mordredfuckingpendragon]

Guinevere, Lynette, Lyonors, Owain

Guinevere:

How I feel about this character: I really like her! I feel as though her character can go a lot of ways but I don’t think I’ve ever met a version of her that I strongly dislike.

All the people I ship romantically with this character: Arthur, Lancelot, possibly Morgan 

My non-romantic OTP for this character: Okay so I kind of feel like Guinevere and Galehaut would be a good brOTP? I’m not sure why.

My unpopular opinion about this character: I don’t think I have one?

One thing I wish would happen / had happened with this character in canon: She should’ve just talked things out with Arthur from the start. 

Lynette:

How I feel about this character: I don’t know that much about her in all honesty, I think she’s a very entertaining character.

All the people I ship romantically with this character: Gaheris and then also Gareth because of Gareth and Lynette.

My non-romantic OTP for this character: Probably her and Lyonors

My unpopular opinion about this character: I don’t blame her for getting pissed off when a kitchen servant is sent to save her sister instead of a knight (I would too tbh). 

One thing I wish would happen / had happened with this character in canon: I can’t really think of anything? I like how her story went.

Lyonors:

How I feel about this character: Like Lynette, I see her as an interesting and entertaining character that I should probably read more about.

All the people I ship romantically with this character: Gareth

My non-romantic OTP for this character: Her and Gringamore make a pretty good brOTP (couple of siblings pulling some elaborate practical jokes) but also I just had this idea of her and Dinadan pulling pranks together.

My unpopular opinion about this character: She has a weird sense of humor and everyone should fear her on April 1st.

One thing I wish would happen / had happened with this character in canon: Not sure?

Owain:

How I feel about this character: YES! I love him. I want to read/watch any and all media he is in. This lucky bastard gets a lion and an army of corvids and I may be slightly jealous.

All the people I ship romantically with this character: Isabel, Laudine

My non-romantic OTP for this character: Him and Gawain

My unpopular opinion about this character: He needs a hug and happiness

One thing I wish would happen / had happened with this character in canon: The fact he never did a full Disney Princess (TM) musical number with his corvids and lion is sad and that should totally happen.

[kxmpfflieger]

finally finished the refs for this stupid fanfiction ive had in my head since 2016

[queer-ragnelle]

Hi there, you don't have to post this on the blog, but I wanted to thank you for your earlier post with regard to different interpretations and iterations of Arthuriana. I really admire your work in/thoughts on all things Arthurian, and seeing you say "Each iteration is it's own self-contained world and anything is possible within that framework" was such a freeing thing. I'm currently writing an Arthurian thing where Lancelot falls for/ends up with someone who isn't Guinevere, and I often wrestle with the doubt of "if he isn't in love with Guinevere, am I really being true to the stories and the canon?" But each iteration is its own self-contained world, and I can honor the stories in other ways while still doing my own thing in this particular story/world. Anyway, all this to say, I'm sure it wasn't your intention, but I appreciate your insight and the encouragement it brings. Take care!

Hi there! Sorry for the delay in responding, but I wanted to think about this a bit beforehand. In writing my own Arthurian series, as well as reading and watching absolutely everything I can get ahold of, historical, medieval, and modern, I’ve developed a whole philosophy about it. So my reply got long hehe. Here’s what I think…

In the ask you referenced, I talked about how Arthurian legend lacks a true "canon," and how the stories all build off each other. The inconsistency from text to text and even chapter to chapter within the same story affords us endless opportunities for creative reinterpretation. I can basically be sold on any concept. I’ve read a lot of retellings at this point and I’m not married to any specific “canon.” If the writer can convince me that, in this version of the story, things played out differently, then I’m happy to get invested. For example, in Exiled From Camelot by Cherith Baldry, she develops Lyonors, Gareth’s wife, and makes her into a likable character the reader can easily ship with Gareth. On the other hand, I definitely see why people prefer Lynette with Gareth, as Tennyson did, and the majority of other retellings follow suit. Even so, I think Lynette and Gaheris made an adorable pair in Squire’s Tales #3, and it was a satisfying reveal in Squire’s Tales #7 that the pov character was their daughter, Lunette. It’s indicated through context clues who her parents are when they arrive at the end referring to each other by pet names. In the same vein, while I favor Ragnelle, Gawain can have any number of partners so long as the author writes the chemistry well. And while I still firmly believe Agravaine is gay in essentially every retelling, I do love Sarah Zettel’s romance Camelot’s Blood that she wrote between him and Laurel. I’m an Orkney Wives fan first and an Orkney Bros fan second haha!

That being said, Orkney Bros have always been inconsistent, so changing their love interests isn’t actually that drastic. In the case of Lancelot and Guinevere, severing their romantic connection is a huge departure from the norm. Undoubtedly, some people won’t “get it” or say it’s out of character. But the thing to remember is, there is no singular source for Arthuriana, so how can they ever be out of character? Let’s get into it.

Firstly, you don’t need to rationalize your narrative choices. To anybody. So long as you’re writing something for the sake of authenticity and good storytelling (rather than simply to be contrarian or edgy or quirky etc) it will resonate with your audience. That said, there’s medieval precedence for your concept. In Alliterative Morte Arthure, Lancelot is listed many times as one of Arthur’s knights. He’s there. Yet it is Mordred who adulterously marries Guinevere. In the romance retelling Lancelot by Gwen Rowley, Guinevere is not the love interest, but Elaine. Another similar angle is explored in Port Eternity by CJ Cherryh, which takes place entirely from Elaine’s point of view. Guinevere isn’t even truly in it and her stand in doesn’t fulfill the same role. In The Adventures of Sir Lancelot (1956), Lancelot definitely has A Thing with both the King and Queen, but a potential affair is not explored or even hinted at. He’s their bestie, their confidant, their most trusted person apart from each other. The key here is Lancelot still loves Guinevere (or her stand in), however that manifests. There’s no active dislike or hatred between them. In that circumstance, I don’t think the character would feel like Lancelot anymore. But changing the nature of his love for Guinevere from romantic to something else does not diminish its narrative value, as the above examples prove. Their friendship is the core of their relationship, as the Vulgate proves, and maintaining that is important.

It’s not so much about asking yourself, “Is [narrative choice] true to the ‘canon?’” as asking, “How do I tell a good story containing [narrative choice]?” There are examples of this done poorly, in my opinion. I’ve elaborated many many many times about David Lowery’s fumbling of The Green Knight (2021) and how that particular iteration falls short of a true adaptation (which I don’t think he set out to do anyway, to be fair) but also proved an unsuccessful reimagining of the poem due to mismanaged references and motifs. I didn’t like Once & Future by Cori McCarthy and Amy Rose Capetta or The Winter Knight by Jes Battis for the same reasons—both books felt like shallow, meandering stories lacking narrative integrity with a veneer of Arthuriana over it. Reincarnation AUs are not an excuse to flanderaize characters. Battis writes Wayne (Gawain) acknowledging how drastically he differs from his medieval counterpart, but awareness of it doesn’t negate the facts: the story suffers for it. On the contrary, Camelot 3000 gives an entire character arc surrounding this premise to Tristan, who has reincarnated AFAB and struggles with his gender identity and with accepting Isolde’s love for him, changed though he is. First Knight (1995) really screws up by making Lancelot a misogynistic creeper who relentlessly pursues Guinevere and even forces a kiss on her. King Arthur: Legend of The Sword (2017) is insultingly bad by showcasing just how stupid it thinks its audience is, brutalizing and killing women left and right, giving unnecessary screen time to obnoxious OCs, and bastardizing every aspect of the legend it drew from. Meanwhile the Fate Grand Order anime cuts out Guinevere entirely. Her role exists as a void. It makes no sense, then, that Lancelot and Agravaine clash as “fellow traitors,” because the woman at the center of the conflict is literally never present. Seven Deadly Sins anime has finally gotten around to Lancelot and Guinevere meeting, and she’s a clingy girl Lancelot is disinterested in, trying to flip the script on their roles, and only exacerbating the misogyny problem in shounen in the process.

Fear not! Loving Arthurian legend automatically enshrines anything you create in a glittering anti-garbage shield! So many versions exist that draw on the elements just because they can with no respect for the material nor their audience. You literally can’t do worse than what’s already out there and there are no original ideas! Published retellings love crackships, they love mixing it up, changing the expected, surprising us! So long as Guinevere isn’t made worse to make Lancelot’s alternative love interest better, and Lancelot himself isn’t turned inside out until he’s unrecognizable, you’re golden. Follow your gut and write something you would enjoy, develop it well within your own universe, and there will be an audience for it. I’m certainly among them!

Thanks for the ask. Have a lovely day! :^)

[caitdrawsthings]

...As the battle wore on into the following dawn finally was Beaumains thrown to the ground, strength exhausted from facing the Red Knight for so long. But as the Red Knight prepared to do unto Beaumains the same as he had done unto the forty knights before her, Lynette called out. 

“You cannot be done yet! Think of my sister, Sir Beaumains! See how she now weeps in fear for your life?”

And Beaumains looked towards the Castle Dangerous and saw the Lady Lyonors watching their battle. And Beaumains felt a rush of strength once more, lifting the blade at her side and shoving the Red Knight back. 

“I will not fall here, for I have sworn to defeat you for my Lady.”

Phew. Finished drawing the lead up to the defeat of the Red Knight of Red Launds by Sir Gareth Beaumains. Why, yes, Gareth did indeed defeat the Red Knight, Sir Ironside, by the power of “hot damn I don’t want that sexy lady to cry”

[windflowerofskellige]

I am considering redrawing that painting with the lady leaning off the horse to the knight but as Lyonors and Morvran...

[gawaincomic]

She does, temporarily. She's a damsel errant, who goes where she's needed - basically liķe a knight without a sword and without fighting. She helps Laudine and she helps Lyonors. I've also given her a part in another story where the damsel remains unnamed because I thought it would make for a neat bit of continuity, but that has to remain a surprise :).

I was out and about for most of the day, so here is a quick drawing of one of my favourite characters of Arthurian legend for Inktober 2019 day 27: Lady Luned (Lynette).

I don't know why I've never drawn her before - maybe because she is still a good while away in my comic? But I was thinking of her yesterday, so here she is.

[knightofbeaumains-moved]

Though they indeed fought as enemies, Gareth’s most steadfast and closest friend in life was the Red Knight of Red Launds. The very same one who she battled against, and nearly lost her life to. Even though he was her senior in not only knighthood but life as well, the two were very dear friends. 

In fact, Gareth even invited him to her wedding to Lady Lyonors. Hell, he was the one to arrange the feast for the wedding. 

If that’s not a good example of how open Gareth is to forgiving people, then I don’t know what is.