#kff discourse

[moved-to-darkplanets]

This is something that has worried me in the past so prehaps it may help someone else to hear too: You cannot accidentally be KFF. It's literally not possible. Kin-for-fun is a specific online subculture with their own terminology, behaviors, and expectations united by the fact they're ""kinning"" stuff because they just want to fuck around online and make jokes, and don't mean thier connection to or with their "kins" in any genuinely introspective way. If you are genuinely interested in the topic AT ALL you're not KFF even if you can't produce masterpiece essays about yourself. Even if you can't easily slot yourself into a label. Even if figuring yourself out takes a while. There's no time limit.

[psychology-department]

i'm starting to feel less and less safe in this site as a fictionkin, so i just wanted to call out (factkin dni please):

INTERACT WITH THIS POST IF YOU'RE FICTIONKIN

INTERACT IF YOU RESPECT ALL KINTYPES REGARDLESS OF MEDIA

[cybergothvox]

Anyways I know its impossible to trance but from my experience being on tumblr at the time, legitimate fictionkin were using kin as a verb before KFF and KFF copied the fictionkin community moreso than other areas which is why they also do that. I do that that a lot of jokes and stuff ficitonkin were making at the time like assigning kintypes or whatever did contribute accidentally to the KFF who were confused and not actively malicious (many were actively malicious read the essay in my pinned) but the reason many ficitonkin use it is there is a linguistical need for it for fictionkin where non ficitonkin otherkin do not have as much as a need. So its fucking annoying when a bunch of dogs and dragons are coming into my house and trying to take away languge I have used as a legitimate otherkin since 20-and-fucking-10 just because it doesnt apply to them personally and KFF used it, as if we have to abandon everything KFF ever did (and since they stole from us, that would be a lot of our shit????? GANG?)

[aesthetikins]

while im at it, here's some things that have a connection to kin for fun/kff that you may not have known about! i dont participate in discourse on the validity of kff, regardless of what era/kind of kff, and this is not a criticism of any of the terms or communities that im going to mention. this is merely a presentation on my experience having lived through this era of kinblr

first of all i'd like to specify that when kff/choicekin/etc came about, it wasn't (at least originally) a bunch of people who liked the aesthetics of alterhumanity and didnt feel any of the feelings at all. this may come as a surprise to many, but the otherkin community was much more underground then than it is now. generally, if someone was choosing to identify as otherkin they had been around/in the otherkin community for a little while and felt at home here. this era of kinblr was very accepting of otherkin of a LOT of definitions, including "otherkin to cope with mental illness" or "connecting with an animal, not literally as it"

you may see where this is going

the attitude about definitions shifted a lot with the advent of an era of harassment and term-gatekeeping i have not seen such similar fervor of since. the fictionkin community gained a lot of members and some individuals felt so strongly that they were literally their fictionkintype that they began harassing others with their shared kintype (the "no doubles" era). at this point, even mainstream tumblr users are getting harassed for being mutals with someones kin double or having their icon as a mutuals kintype or reblogging too many gifsets and moodboards of a character a mutual had as their kintype. right around here, i would say, is when people started being more strict with the definitions of otherkin that were "acceptable" and the things that were deemed "not otherkin"

otherkin went from having a lot of different definitions, like past lives or soul walk-ins or coping mechanisms, to having one. "i literally identify as [type]" was it, all others were fakers. those who felt they still had some non-human identity struggled with wanting a community and being rejected from one that was once welcoming to them

the kff community briefly cropped up, i would say for only a few months, before being harassed off tumblr. around the same time, someone coined copinglink and otherlink to cover those who felt linked to nonhumanity to cope with trauma or mentall illness or stress, and those who felt linked to nonhumanity for other reasons or those who consciously formed that link

the kff community disappeared and was replaced with c'linkers. many people who were once in the kff community joined the c'linker one, as copinglinkers or otherlinkers or otherwise. people who dont know these communities grew out of kff declared kff dead, but for all intents and purposes those people just made their own community based on their own identity terms

it wasnt until otherkin and fictionkin began to be discussed on tiktok that people changed the definition of kff to instead refer to the tweens and teens on tiktok who were saying that 'kin is always a choice and not actually identifying as your kintype. i want to say this started around 2020? people locked inside quarantine having an identity crisis who tried nonhumanity for a few weeks and then stopped when they returned to school/work/etc

the original kff did seriously identify as otherkin the same way non-voluntary otherkin did. they just felt theirs was voluntary. they're a different group from "tiktok otherkin" or "tiktok therians". tiktok therians, imo, will either stop "playing pretend" as they grow up, or they'll make new communities like c'linkers did. thats already kind of happening, with the growth of the tiktok kemonomimi community essentially wearing therian gear for fashion

[mausuwinasa]

I know I already posted about this a long while ago but I don’t think I worded it right back then and I just really want people to know this.

There is no point in having an opinion on KFF people. Whether or not they are harmful is up for debate, and it’s fine if you don’t want them interacting with your stuff, but there’s just no point in having an opinion. Let me explain.

Every single person I have ever met in any fandom, with a couple exceptions because of course, has been KFF without realizing it. Every. Single. Person. I wouldn’t be surprised if the majority of people on the internet are KFF. They’re so plentiful there’s no way they’ll ever go away or change, so there’s really no point to even debating them if there’s nothing we can do about it.

So yeah thank you for coming to my Ted talk

[yggdrasil-00]

You can have people KFF and simply identify with characters. You can take those who kin spiritually and all that seriously. Both can co-exist.

[kinniephobic]

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[everyponie]

alterhuman vs Kin for fun discourse is so annoying like you will not die because someone said they kin princess bubblegum or some shit. I've been in the therian community for 10 years and genuinely have never been threatened by a kff person. Yall just like to make up problems and attack children for having fun.

[cybergothvox]

At the end of the day, is kin just someone who identifies as their kintype or not? Is it anyone who actually identifies as their kintype, or do they have to perform all these 'correct' behaviours and social dances to prove that you kin- pardon, that you are kin- correctly?

[mischiefsystem]

Every argument against factkin is just normal anti otherkin rhetoric repackaged btw. Its based on the discourse ideas started by KFF that kintype is always something chosen and just for fun. The people who are okay with factives but not factkin show this especially well when those things can absolutely operate on the exact same mechanisms. Just saw a post where it told factkin 'youre delusional, go to therapy' as if that kind of thing hasnt been leveled against all otherkin and therians. The hypocrisy is off the charts and I am disappointed in my community for not welcoming people with this experience that is, in at least many cases, non voluntary. Of course factkin should make it clear they are not bodily that person, and recognize they dont know everything about their source person and are probably more kin of their persona or image, and it is bad to take someones images and pretend to be them (as in, pretending to be the origional source person), but that is not because they are factkin that that is bad. That behaviour is catfishing and separate from being factkin. Every factkin i have actually seen brave enough to speak up in our community has been very respectful and cognizant of the fact that their source is a real person and make it very clear they are kin. And even if someone doesnt, someone misbehaving and having poor boundaries doesnt mean the entire factkin community is like that, and it doesnt magically make someone unable to imprint on a persons persona the same way they can on a character and become kin in that way. Maybe this anti factkin rhetoric comes from spiritual folk who think 'well they cant be reincarnated as they arent dead' and I ask you to please remember many otherkin have other origins including psychological ones, and psychological origins can be just as intense and involuntary as spiritual ones.

I am not factkin nor am I close with one but I have seen some in our community and seen the way they as ostracized. I have seen anti factkin posts and seen literally all their 'reasons for someone cant be factkin' are the exact same arguments used to say any therian or kin cant identity as their source. I am close with factives and they feel unsafe in any space not also welcoming to factkin since their experiences are not that different, even if someone says factives are fine. There is no reson you should be okay with factives and not factkin, it makes it seem like you think being otherkin is somehow lesser or more voluntary than being a fictive, and its not.

Please, we need to do better as a community. Its fine if someones identity makes you uncomfortable, but you need to recognize your discomfort does not mean their identity is not valid. Your feelings are not facts, and you need to be able to learn to be welcoming to people even if their identites are strange to you, especially if you want wider society to do that for otherkin as a whole. All of us look to them like factkin do to you.

[cyber-therian]

i used to KFF and it is a very important part of my past. i probably never would have found the communities im part of now without it. not everyone who is KFF is some ableist asshole, in most cases they are just misguided and looking for community and to relate to someone or something. the ableism and sainism that is associated w KFF is a whole separate issue imo.

without being KFF i might not have realized i have DID either

*involuntary kin/etc.

[unhingedkinfessions]

Kin server horror story but its happening rn

SO THIS KIN SERVER RECENTLY CHANGED OWNERS.

Since the past owner didnt want the server anymore

Red flag no.1:

Not giving the role to a co-owner, instead a new mod who joined to troll

Then said new owner said: "kin discourse is stupid. kff is allowed." MOST OF US WERE LIKE WHAT?? but many people took their side. THEY TOOK THEIR SIDE.

They also ping @ everyone without permission, the NEW mods. They demoted many mods because they "were too young" (said mod was an older teenager)

There is a DONT SPAM PING role and the SPAM PING everyone.

Also they're weirdly sexual. Its a sever for BOTH MINORS AND ADULTS.

I am THIS close to leaving but i have friends there AUGHHH

PLEASE DITCH THAT SUCKS. MAKE UR OWN SERVER WITH YOUR FRIENDS OK. THERE IS A NUCLEAR BOMB IN THAT SERVER AND IT'S GOING TO GO OFF SOON.

[noncanon-fictionkin]

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[peculiareyezer]

ok so. 1. we have terms for "kinning for fun": funlinking. otherhearted and many, many others if that term doesn't apply. they are very welcome in the alterhuman community, and are even allowed to say they don't want to be part of the alterhuman community/use those terms and do their own thing, but if they aren't 'kin then they really shouldn't be calling themselves "kin". 2. the "kinning for fun" crowd are sometimes extremely hateful and ableist/saneist towards alterhumans (involuntary especially). they want "kin" to be their silly little word and if you Dare suggest it has a different meaning they get really defensive about it. i think i'm allowed to want to gatekeep our terms from those people.

now, of course i believe that sometimes a 'kin identity can start as fully voluntary/for fun. hell, before i figured myself out i thought i was doing a lot of this "for fun" and wasn't ready to admit to myself or others that it was something more. honestly i don't even care if someone describes themselves as 'kin if it's fully voluntary and for fun, so long as they respect psychological and spiritual kin and don't say bullshit like "oh well kinnies know they aren't actually fictional characters haha" or try to redefine alterhuman terms to exclude "those mentally ill people who think they're ACTUALLY an animal".

... but ultimately i believe maybe we can and should gatekeep a term used to describe spiritual beliefs and/or neurodivergent experiences (or secret third things if someone doesn't fully identify with spiritual or psychological alterhuman labels). i don't really like when people reduce my identity to "having fun" when this is a very serious, involuntary, 24/7 identity that i had to struggle to accept. i have lots of fun with my identity, i like being who i am, but i don't like when people tell me i'm "taking it too far" or "living in delusion" when i talk about the more serious aspects. i really think we should be viewing the appropriation of alterhuman terms as the appropriation of spiritual beliefs/neurodivergent experiences; and gently educating those outside the community that no, those words aren't for them if they aren't willing to do proper research.

if "kin for fun" want their own words then that's great! but if they aren't willing to educate themselves then they should leave our terms alone.

I think “kinning for fun” is actually ok & i dont think it actually has to detract from the serious kinning experience. I fully understand the history of it, I fully understand why it has hurt some- but I also think that fighting the concept of “kinning for fun” is going to just stall progression for “serious” kinship in more general society

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[who-is-page]

hi! just want to uuh . note? i guess? that the p-shifters that started the. I guess discourse?? are reclaiming the term. Alot of them are using it as an alternative to Clinical Zoanthrope they're not old-style P-shifters

I'm going to be honest, you can't really ... Reclaim a term like that. You can't erase the history of the term, its meaning to the wider community, and the ways in which it's been used (and, most importantly, continues to be used!) to hurt others.

For a brief and shallow explanation, it isn't like a queer person trying to reclaim "fag." It's more akin to someone trying to reclaim a logo or a dogwhistle or a general group term that is known and used by people to this date. Like, you can't reclaim the term "Scientologist," for example. Or the terms "anti-otherkin," or the zeta symbol, for examples more relevant to our own communities. Those have very, very apparent meanings that aren't going to be overwritten, because they're still being used by the communities who originally coined them to mean what they were intended to mean. These aren't abandoned terms. These aren't terms which are primarily weaponized as insults or slurs (although the groups connected to them have certainly done harm to others). These terms are still being used in their intended ways. There is no way to separate the people who are 'reclaiming' it and the people who are just ... Using it. So reclamation doesn't work. Especially when there's no visible effort being made to unpackaged the baggage connected to the term, and any attempts to do so are likely to fail because, as said, the terms are still being used in their original ways. Does this make sense?

Additional afterthought edit: Also, thinking more on it, it's kind of fucked up for someone to try and steal another community's identifying terms and forcibly redefine them? Like, we criticize that all the time in the otherkin and therian communities, and that's not exactly a one-way street. There's plenty of nuance to be had here about the damage that specific groups do, like pshifters-- but something about this still doesn't quite settle okay for me. I don't like pshifters, I think their groups are almost always inherently harmful. But at the same time, does that make it okay for other people to step into their communities and do the same thing that KFF do to us?

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