#kff discourse

[moved-to-darkplanets]

This is something that has worried me in the past so prehaps it may help someone else to hear too: You cannot accidentally be KFF. It's literally not possible. Kin-for-fun is a specific online subculture with their own terminology, behaviors, and expectations united by the fact they're ""kinning"" stuff because they just want to fuck around online and make jokes, and don't mean thier connection to or with their "kins" in any genuinely introspective way. If you are genuinely interested in the topic AT ALL you're not KFF even if you can't produce masterpiece essays about yourself. Even if you can't easily slot yourself into a label. Even if figuring yourself out takes a while. There's no time limit.

[mausuwinasa]

Idk if this is a widely known fact, but it should be, so I’m telling it to y’all

Most KFF folks don’t even know the otherkin community exists, and only use the word “kin” because they’ve seen other KFF folks using it. Also the KFF community is absolutely ENORMOUS, and will not be changing their language or going away entirely anytime soon.

I’m saying this as someone who used to KFF with various fictional characters, LONG before I knew anything about therianthropy or alterhumanity. Honestly, I don’t really care about KFF folks, they are taking a very otherkin-specific word from us, but I really don’t think there’s anything we can do about it and honestly? They don’t even seem that harmful. They’re just a bunch of kids talking about how they relate to shit and I don’t think it’s that much of a problem. They may make the otherkin community seem more “cringy” but we already do, and that’s probably never gonna change.

So yeah overall maybe we should just stop caring about KFF folks

Edit: No, KFF are not otherkin and never will be, but I still think we should leave them alone. Also they will never accept the word “click”, “kin” is too widespread at this point.

Edit AGAIN: This also doesn’t mean we should respect KFF when they start making fun of us, I think we should treat them like any other folks: respect them by default, and try to educate and then block them when they start causing trouble.

Yet another coddamn edit because why the fuck not: They will also not stop using the word kinnie, and we shouldn’t try to turn it back into a slur. I think they’ve gone and done something great with it, rather than letting it remain a disgusting insult, so let’s respect it.

[that-dreaming-dragon]

I just had one question for those that defend kff without bothering to understand the context, the why, and the history behind it and ask Will you defend the otherkin/fictionkin who uses kin (as intended) to mean "I identify as this nonhuman/fictional being"?

Because I want this fighting to stop and we shake hands and be like "let's be friends and chill together"

But hearing about otherkin/fictionkin getting hurt not by non-kin, but kff who claim otherkin are being gatekeepers (without, again, the actual context of just what gatekeeping actually entails), and then turning around calling otherkin/fictionkin delusional...

It's really tiring.

[psychology-department]

i'm starting to feel less and less safe in this site as a fictionkin, so i just wanted to call out (factkin dni please):

INTERACT WITH THIS POST IF YOU'RE FICTIONKIN

INTERACT IF YOU RESPECT ALL KINTYPES REGARDLESS OF MEDIA

[cybergothvox]

Anyways I know its impossible to trance but from my experience being on tumblr at the time, legitimate fictionkin were using kin as a verb before KFF and KFF copied the fictionkin community moreso than other areas which is why they also do that. I do that that a lot of jokes and stuff ficitonkin were making at the time like assigning kintypes or whatever did contribute accidentally to the KFF who were confused and not actively malicious (many were actively malicious read the essay in my pinned) but the reason many ficitonkin use it is there is a linguistical need for it for fictionkin where non ficitonkin otherkin do not have as much as a need. So its fucking annoying when a bunch of dogs and dragons are coming into my house and trying to take away languge I have used as a legitimate otherkin since 20-and-fucking-10 just because it doesnt apply to them personally and KFF used it, as if we have to abandon everything KFF ever did (and since they stole from us, that would be a lot of our shit????? GANG?)

[otherkin-confessional]

I know a lot of ppl will disagree with me, but I don't actually have a problem with people who kin for fun

I mean, we didn't actually invent the word kin, it's been used for thousands of years before us to mean related to or associated with, so I don't really see the problem of an entirely different group using it in a different way.

Yes, I hate that most outsiders will assume otherkin and kff are the same thing (but since when did we care about respectability politics), yes I *hate* being called a kinnie, but who are we to police the use of a word we didn't even invent?

They're just having fun, I promise they're not 'making fun" of the otherkin community, I'm sure most of them don't even know what the otherkin community is. Let them be and stop telling people that they cant make kinists

I am posting this solely for potential discussion and i hope understanding of what the otherkin community is actually saying...

What people have experienced from KFF includes ableism and diluted community. It is about people ignoring our history or outright refusing to listen when we be polite. We have given alternatives.

Our experiences differ greatly, we just want to be able to express that without another community going "no you're wrong, youre just delusional"

I have personally seen it happen.

It isn't about owning words, it's about trying to connect to our own community. Language is needed for that.

I am luckily in a decent mood writing this.

Mod Mae

[aesthetikins]

while im at it, here's some things that have a connection to kin for fun/kff that you may not have known about! i dont participate in discourse on the validity of kff, regardless of what era/kind of kff, and this is not a criticism of any of the terms or communities that im going to mention. this is merely a presentation on my experience having lived through this era of kinblr

first of all i'd like to specify that when kff/choicekin/etc came about, it wasn't (at least originally) a bunch of people who liked the aesthetics of alterhumanity and didnt feel any of the feelings at all. this may come as a surprise to many, but the otherkin community was much more underground then than it is now. generally, if someone was choosing to identify as otherkin they had been around/in the otherkin community for a little while and felt at home here. this era of kinblr was very accepting of otherkin of a LOT of definitions, including "otherkin to cope with mental illness" or "connecting with an animal, not literally as it"

you may see where this is going

the attitude about definitions shifted a lot with the advent of an era of harassment and term-gatekeeping i have not seen such similar fervor of since. the fictionkin community gained a lot of members and some individuals felt so strongly that they were literally their fictionkintype that they began harassing others with their shared kintype (the "no doubles" era). at this point, even mainstream tumblr users are getting harassed for being mutals with someones kin double or having their icon as a mutuals kintype or reblogging too many gifsets and moodboards of a character a mutual had as their kintype. right around here, i would say, is when people started being more strict with the definitions of otherkin that were "acceptable" and the things that were deemed "not otherkin"

otherkin went from having a lot of different definitions, like past lives or soul walk-ins or coping mechanisms, to having one. "i literally identify as [type]" was it, all others were fakers. those who felt they still had some non-human identity struggled with wanting a community and being rejected from one that was once welcoming to them

the kff community briefly cropped up, i would say for only a few months, before being harassed off tumblr. around the same time, someone coined copinglink and otherlink to cover those who felt linked to nonhumanity to cope with trauma or mentall illness or stress, and those who felt linked to nonhumanity for other reasons or those who consciously formed that link

the kff community disappeared and was replaced with c'linkers. many people who were once in the kff community joined the c'linker one, as copinglinkers or otherlinkers or otherwise. people who dont know these communities grew out of kff declared kff dead, but for all intents and purposes those people just made their own community based on their own identity terms

it wasnt until otherkin and fictionkin began to be discussed on tiktok that people changed the definition of kff to instead refer to the tweens and teens on tiktok who were saying that 'kin is always a choice and not actually identifying as your kintype. i want to say this started around 2020? people locked inside quarantine having an identity crisis who tried nonhumanity for a few weeks and then stopped when they returned to school/work/etc

the original kff did seriously identify as otherkin the same way non-voluntary otherkin did. they just felt theirs was voluntary. they're a different group from "tiktok otherkin" or "tiktok therians". tiktok therians, imo, will either stop "playing pretend" as they grow up, or they'll make new communities like c'linkers did. thats already kind of happening, with the growth of the tiktok kemonomimi community essentially wearing therian gear for fashion

[yggdrasil-00]

You can have people KFF and simply identify with characters. You can take those who kin spiritually and all that seriously. Both can co-exist.

[kinniephobic]

🐧 : LINK WIP! . any prns + any kin names // 15

⺌ kff blog !! m/w my lovely bf !! <3 🫧

current theme : FREMINET // genshin impact

[mausuwinasa]

Seeing and posting all this stuff about KFF discourse has made me realize. A massive chunk of the population is KFF without realizing it. Pretty much every single person in every fandom I’ve interacted with has said that they “kin” a character or they are a “kinnie” for a certain character. So yeah considering that the actual majority of folks are KFF in many spaces really makes you think.

[cybergothvox]

At the end of the day, is kin just someone who identifies as their kintype or not? Is it anyone who actually identifies as their kintype, or do they have to perform all these 'correct' behaviours and social dances to prove that you kin- pardon, that you are kin- correctly?

[cyber-therian]

i used to KFF and it is a very important part of my past. i probably never would have found the communities im part of now without it. not everyone who is KFF is some ableist asshole, in most cases they are just misguided and looking for community and to relate to someone or something. the ableism and sainism that is associated w KFF is a whole separate issue imo.

without being KFF i might not have realized i have DID either

*involuntary kin/etc.

[everyponie]

alterhuman vs Kin for fun discourse is so annoying like you will not die because someone said they kin princess bubblegum or some shit. I've been in the therian community for 10 years and genuinely have never been threatened by a kff person. Yall just like to make up problems and attack children for having fun.

[unhingedkinfessions]

Kin server horror story but its happening rn

SO THIS KIN SERVER RECENTLY CHANGED OWNERS.

Since the past owner didnt want the server anymore

Red flag no.1:

Not giving the role to a co-owner, instead a new mod who joined to troll

Then said new owner said: "kin discourse is stupid. kff is allowed." MOST OF US WERE LIKE WHAT?? but many people took their side. THEY TOOK THEIR SIDE.

They also ping @ everyone without permission, the NEW mods. They demoted many mods because they "were too young" (said mod was an older teenager)

There is a DONT SPAM PING role and the SPAM PING everyone.

Also they're weirdly sexual. Its a sever for BOTH MINORS AND ADULTS.

I am THIS close to leaving but i have friends there AUGHHH

PLEASE DITCH THAT SUCKS. MAKE UR OWN SERVER WITH YOUR FRIENDS OK. THERE IS A NUCLEAR BOMB IN THAT SERVER AND IT'S GOING TO GO OFF SOON.

[noncanon-fictionkin]

YOU

yes, you! are you kin of a completely non-canon character from any source of media? part of a totally different AU? need a place to share your non-canon shenanigans? we're here to help! here you can send kinfessions, culture-is posts, kin calls or any question you may have about kin shenanigans :) copinglinks, fictionhearted folks & fictives are all welcome!

(we will not be taking requests for anything outside of that, ie icons, edits, stim/moodboards, etc. sorry!)

about the mods:

hello everyone! i'm mod star. i am 19, aroace agender & use any pronouns. not sure what else to say about myself other that i am neurodivergent & latine ^_^ my kin list is getting a bit long so i won't list it all here, but you're free to ask about it if you'd like! my main blog is @fallen--starlight

hi hi !!! im mod blue :) im 21 y/o and am serveral rabbits in a trench coat. i use it/fae/he pronouns :)) kin list is seven hundred miles long, but the important one is Sal Fisher! lovely to meet you all <3

RULES

NO BIGOTRY. if you have anything racist or ableist or generally bigoted to say please keep it in your head & out of my ask box

no politics either! there's better spaces to discuss the current state of things & i would like to keep this as much of a fun, light hearted place as possible

no endogenic systems. i won't be arguing about that

no factkin or factives

no DAs

no KFF (kin for fun) people.

no proshippers & radqueers

no discourse whatsoever. i will not be responding to any kind of discourse

please don't send in any graphic nsfw. jokes & light mentions are fine, but anything further makes me uncomfortable

BEFORE YOU SEND AN ASK...

PLEASE if you want your source to be tagged include it in your ask! i wont be tagging anything i don't know about & i can't guess :')

if you're a fictive please mention it in your ask so i can tag the post accordingly! all posts will be tagged as kin unless otherwise specified

when sending kinfessions let me know if you don't want me to reply to them !! otherwise i will most likely be giving answers

when sending canon calls make sure to include your source without abbreviations please

last updated: 09/02/24

[who-is-page]

hi! just want to uuh . note? i guess? that the p-shifters that started the. I guess discourse?? are reclaiming the term. Alot of them are using it as an alternative to Clinical Zoanthrope they're not old-style P-shifters

I'm going to be honest, you can't really ... Reclaim a term like that. You can't erase the history of the term, its meaning to the wider community, and the ways in which it's been used (and, most importantly, continues to be used!) to hurt others.

For a brief and shallow explanation, it isn't like a queer person trying to reclaim "fag." It's more akin to someone trying to reclaim a logo or a dogwhistle or a general group term that is known and used by people to this date. Like, you can't reclaim the term "Scientologist," for example. Or the terms "anti-otherkin," or the zeta symbol, for examples more relevant to our own communities. Those have very, very apparent meanings that aren't going to be overwritten, because they're still being used by the communities who originally coined them to mean what they were intended to mean. These aren't abandoned terms. These aren't terms which are primarily weaponized as insults or slurs (although the groups connected to them have certainly done harm to others). These terms are still being used in their intended ways. There is no way to separate the people who are 'reclaiming' it and the people who are just ... Using it. So reclamation doesn't work. Especially when there's no visible effort being made to unpackaged the baggage connected to the term, and any attempts to do so are likely to fail because, as said, the terms are still being used in their original ways. Does this make sense?

Additional afterthought edit: Also, thinking more on it, it's kind of fucked up for someone to try and steal another community's identifying terms and forcibly redefine them? Like, we criticize that all the time in the otherkin and therian communities, and that's not exactly a one-way street. There's plenty of nuance to be had here about the damage that specific groups do, like pshifters-- but something about this still doesn't quite settle okay for me. I don't like pshifters, I think their groups are almost always inherently harmful. But at the same time, does that make it okay for other people to step into their communities and do the same thing that KFF do to us?