#karen was being so mean???

[stonedscully]

I've started trying to think of the cheesiest lines of dialogue before the 911 cast opens their mouth so that maybe when Angela Basset delivers a completely serious "And that's... no cap" it won't be such a hard blow to my psyche

[youruinedmylifebynotbeingreal]

Lesbian Regina George that, pan Karen Shetty that. But what about queer Gretchen Wieners. “What’s Wrong With Me” is RIGHT THERE.

[sillygoofyqueer]

Mean Girls but the Three Tumours are the Mean Girls.

Of course, Shi Wudu as Regina George - both massively bitchy and are obviously in charge of their respective trios.

Ling Wen as Gretchen Weiners - extremely knowledgeable, the intelligence gatherers of the group and so obviously five seconds away from mental breakdowns at any point in time.

Pei Ming as Karen Smith - himbo to bimbo communication. They have no idea what's going on but they get laid and look soooo pretty while doing it :3

[tea-cat-arts]

"Madam Yu would be a Karen/ treat minimum wage employees like shit-" literally the only servant she's shown abusing is Wei Wuxian (and that's because he's the victim of a proxy war between her and Jiang Fengmian around the idea of him being adopted into the family, not because of his class). Madam Yu's two handmaid's love and respect her, and Madam Yu actually defends them when Wang Lingjiao tries being a Karen to them. She also tells Wang Lingjiao to fuck off when she demands the Jiang servants bring her tea.

Also, Karens are unpleasant women, but not all unpleasant women are Karens. That term is about entitlement and being unreasonable (and often times, racist). Madam Yu is mean and unpleasant to talk to, but she keeps most of her interactions brief and probably doesn't have the time or mental energy to be a Karen or hold a grudge that long. If you want an actual example of a Karen in mdzs, Wang Lingjiao is right there

[just-sp-in-inginthevoid]

Is it a Takuya-Mikey situation or a Karen-Emma situation

[crezz-star]

DAILY REMINDER

There's no wrong way of pairing characters! There is no WRONG pairings.

If you think there is and you're making reasons to justify it, the problem is ON YOU for not being able to understand the FACT that by the end of the day, all of us are just making paper dolls kiss. That they're not real, and invalidating other pairings by making up reasons about morality and stuff, just makes it obvious you're bitter and honestly it's embarrassing for you.

Don't like the pairing? Don't talk about it. Block it. Block the people who make content of it. Don't look at it. AVOID IT. Cater to your own environment.

✨Be respectful of what others likes✨

✨RESPECTING OTHERS' LIKES AND INTEREST IS FREE. NOT BEING AN A-HOLE IS FREE✨

But what they like makes me angry- Block them and avoid the pairing. But their pairing is weird and gross- Block them and avoid the pairing. But the pairing makes me so uncomfortable- Block them and avoid the pairing. But-- BLOCK THEM AND AVOID THE PAIRING.

[tired-demonspawn]

hey. so.

didnt plan on reading sonic the movie fanfiction of all things, right? right.

but alas the picture of outsider pov mean bean customer witnessing stone pining on main between movies 1 and 2 was so utterly VIVID in my mind i ended up looking some up.

because i mean. the setup is so obvious, it is practically begging to be written and then read by some fanatical idiot like myself. no way an author hasnt yet taken advantage of the premise.

ONLY TO FIND OUT NOBODY HAS

WHAT ARE YOU GUYS DOING?????

(left an essay in the tags, christ 💀)

[muttsterion]

A nice little fantasy Kenny plot idea for his day. It all starts out with him getting a random ransom note from Professor Chaos or someone saying he has all his superhero friends held hostage at some secret location with directions written in and he better come save them or else. So of course he dawns on his Mysterion costume and quickly follows the directions and it leads to some dark room where he bravely goes in preparing for a fight but he switches on the light and SURPRISE all his friends are there in their superhero costumes surrounding a table with a big cake and gifts sitting on it!

A nice rare moment of Mysterion's usual stoic expression switching to one of temporary confusion to joy forgetting he's still in costume. Butters revealing the others got him to write the ransom note cause they knew it'd get his attention. And yep. Ha.

[sqlmn]

Them being friends is one of the funniest dynamics because she's the exact opposite of Mr Depression Incarnate. (Right is absolutely fascinated by their friendship since he likes observing people and he notices how much investment Brent has in making Karen stay Not Disappointed compared to literally every other coworker he talks to)

[blackmageeljin]

Y'all I am so fucking tired.

Me: vents about being shit on by doctors and struggling with ND symptoms in public

People: UM!!! AKTUALLY THAT IS NOW HOW YOU TALK ABOUT AUTISM! YOU ARE USING THE WRONG WORDS!!! LIKE I AM SO SORRY ITS HARD FOR YOU BUT UR MAKING IT SO HARD FOR PEOPLE WITH REALER DISORDERS :(((((

Me sitting here, not autistic and never once mentioning autism but with several other ND diagnoses that don't get taken seriously because US culture is a shit show and it doesn't exist if they've never heard of it, am never allowed to self advocate and constantly shut out of both NT and ND spaces for not fitting into the boxes people want, staring at the camera like I am on the office on the verge of tears.

Yes internet, people can 'go nonverbal', it is a real phrase for real symptoms and not just a term for someone permanently mute! No it is not 'just a meltdown' and calling an autistic person's symptoms 'just' anything is completely self defeating anyway, and so is saying I can't use the phrase nonverbal anymore because I have shown improvement in my conditions over the course of decades of hard work! I fucking HATE PEOPLE SO MUCH AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[mr-stottlemonk]

stottlemeyer's timeline as promised.

[find monk's timeline here]

[usercelestial]

do you guys have anything else to say about henren other than leave them alone?

[twilight-deviant]

What would Foggy and Karen do when they know that Matt is dating Kingpin?

(Hey, sorry it took me so long to answer this. Thanks for the ask. ♥)

Ah, a very difficult matter indeed. Imagine finding out your friend is dating a murdering gangster so industrious he controls all organized crime down the eastern seaboard. (⊙□⊙) I think there would be a lot of, "Are you insane?!" accusations.

This ask maybe had some hopes of a happier answer, but if we're being realistic...

Foggy

I do lean hard into what a good person Foggy is. Though I believe if he found out Matt was dating Fisk, there would be another confrontation/temporary friendship divorce on par with (if not exceeding) the 1x10 Nelson v. Murdock episode. Maybe longer lasting with a feeling of finality like the S2 divorce.

However! I don't believe Foggy would stay mad and keep away from Matt forever. The friendship is too strong. The love is too deep. In both examples, it seems distance to cool off is what helps. So they take some time apart. Foggy spends every day of it expecting Matt to come to his senses and break things off with Fisk. Or for him to say "Psych, the whole thing was a honeypot mission to gather information." Or maybe Matt does end things with Fisk on his own time. (I'll ramble on and on about the foregone tragedy of a FiskMatt relationship never working long term.)

But... say it does work with Fisk, or it works for longer than Foggy can stay mad at Matt. Part of me imagines Foggy just going all-in on denial. You know at the start of S2 when they both know Matt is Daredevil but they try not to think/talk about it because it causes friction? That but Matt's romantic relationship with Fisk. Foggy doesn't want to see the man hanging around. He doesn't want to hear about him. When evidence of the relationship does pop up, it's either ignored or Foggy takes the opportunity to casually nag Matt into better choices. They'd argue about it on occasion, but overall, Foggy isn't going anywhere.

Common Foggy W in episode 3x06: "People have bailed on Matt his whole life, and I'm not gonna be one of them." (Directed at Karen who tried to convince him to not forgive Matt.)

I think if Fisk and Foggy were ever brought into some sort of coexistence in Matt's life, it would be following an extreme event. Like Matt nearly being killed, and they are both present and concerned. Foggy begrudgingly observes that a worried Fisk does care for Matt and his well-being.

Overall though, even if Foggy acknowledged the relationship, I still think he would want to see Fisk as little as possible. There's no all of them hanging out together, but maybe they're both at major events. Maybe Foggy walks into the office as Fisk is on his way out from visiting Matt, and they sort of... awkwardly nod and pass each other.

I think a lot of Foggy's acceptance would hinge on Fisk becoming a better person in some capacity, just as it would for Matt to be dating him in the first place.

And then...

Karen

I tend to avoid Karen entirely in my FiskMatt shipping. Not just because I am a total hater. (I don't want to say #1 hater because there's some a-hole out there who harasses people on pro-Karen posts. I'm like... #1 Isolationist Hater.) But it is difficult with Karen because Fisk has tried to kill her multiple times now. (You'll get her one day, boo.) And she has a whole sanctimonious vendetta against him in return (so single-mindedly focused, people have died in her pursuit). Then on the flipside, Fisk's greatest friend and support was murdered by Karen, who then threw it in his face specifically to upset him. I know Fisk and Matt have the important and featured rivalry of DD, but I also believe it's likely no two characters hate each other as much as Fisk and Karen. (You can get in the weeds about Dex's feelings towards Fisk post-Julie reveal, but blah blah blah.)

So I totally wimp out when writing FiskMatt and don't include Karen. I either won't mention her or imagine we're in some comic-adjacent setting where she died years ago. (Or my current fic where she was Thanos-snapped.) It's a pathetic avoidance of the issue because I KNOW how complicated it would be to overcome, and I guess I should probably address it one day. (〜￣▽￣)〜

It's just hard to pick the line with Karen. She doesn't even condemn murder as much as Matt, given her apologia for Frank in debate with Matt in 2x07. (Also she herself being a murderer with Wesley. Under the flimsy/inaccurate "self-defense" claim.) And then, Karen also dealt drugs in her past and committed/commits other crimes. So I guess the issue with Fisk is... scale? Someone can kill (the right) people, and deal drugs, and break the law, but like... small scale. You can guess at Karen's moral code, but I think at the end of the day, she's the only one who knows what it is.

Maybe it's specifically an "organized" crime thing? Girl hates a racket.

But since the question is what Karen would do if she found out Matt was dating Fisk... I mean, realistically, she'd give him the cold shoulder and avoid seeing him. I think Karen would try to talk/berate some sense into Matt, and it would undoubtedly come with guilt tripping. By reminding Matt who Fisk is and what he's done "just in case he forgot." (I knooow I'm being a hater, but this is canonically what Karen does every time someone disagrees with her. *insert long scroll of examples gif*)

Looking at S2 (when Karen thinks Matt is cheating on her with Elektra... and... Stick?) and S3 flashback (following the S2-Matt-is-Daredevil reveal), that seems to be Karen's decision when she's displeased with Matt. She stops coming around or talking to him. (I know she acts awkward but friendly with him in Defenders, but it's a difficult thing to take this canon into account when it was written by different people with a different agenda and continuity.) But... his apparent death in Defenders does bring her back to the friendship, becoming obsessed over Midland Circle and paying Matt's bills for when he returns. Well, then she gets mad and avoids him again when she finds out Matt was alive but not coming around. Even when Matt apologizes, she prefers to hold onto the grudge a little longer and even questions why Foggy would forgive him. This behavior resolves itself with the severity of The Bulletin massacre. But that's just it! There's always a larger event that compels Karen back into the friendship. It all begs the question of how these resentments would have concluded without external influence!

Sounds like a tangent, I know, but I hope it makes sense why I laid all that out.

I'm basically saying (imo) Karen would not accept the FiskMatt relationship. She would question Matt's own moral character for being with him. (Which is fair since Fisk wants to kill her.) I'm not certain she would come around with time (unlike Foggy), which would make herself and Matt more acquaintances than friends. (Because what could Matt say to make her forgive and forget?) And pending some momentous external event, I don't know what would resolve this rift between them.

I'm aware this is very biased due to my dislike of Karen, but I also can't imagine her reacting any other way. I'm looking at past canon behavior and extrapolating what the fallout might look like. While having nothing to go on regarding how they could fix it. There's a pattern of Matt apologizing but Karen not wanting to hear it.

But... if anyone has a different take or idea, let me know.

In Conclusion...

I think Matt is very aware of how the reveal of his relationship with Fisk could go down. Which is why he would probably keep it secret as long as possible to avoid putting his friends (and himself) in that situation. If it were only Foggy, I can see Matt maybe coming clean eventually. But with Karen involved, I think he would make the decision to never disclose his relationship. When/If it got out, it would be following unintentional discovery or an unavoidable confession. Maybe situations like:

Matt hurt bad enough to be forced to go to the hospital, and for some reason, the best doctor in the city is suddenly there. Also why tf is Wilson Fisk down the hall?

Foggy or Karen or both show up at Matt's apartment without warning to hang out. Ignore him closing the door to his bedroom. There is definitely not a career criminal in there.

Umm... so Matt's pregnant, but who's the father? He won't say, and not revealing the fact is causing its own rift. (But also imagine Matt can't admit the fact to his friends right now, so Fisk tries to be patient. He wants to be involved in the pregnancy and his child's life, but Matt keeps forcing him to remain a dirty secret. How long could it keep going? Would Fisk stop being patient about being excluded?)

Against all odds, Matt's relationship with Fisk goes the distance and they don't break up. How are they supposed to have a life together if Matt's fear forces them to lead separate lives and they can't even live under the same roof?

Just some ideas. But it's always going to be messy, no mistake.

(Errant dark thought... Imagine Matt choosing his friends over Fisk and breaking up with him, even though they don't really want to. Fisk tries to accept that decision, but eventually convinces himself of the notion that "toxic friends" are taking away Matt's choice because it's not what they want. So he arranges an "accident." Then, with the friends out of the picture, Matt will be free to make his own choices. And sure enough, the mourning hero does come back to Fisk for comfort. )

[carefulfears]

what do you consider the heart of californication? like really carries through the series & makes it compelling

thank you for this question, i really love it. to me, it's a number of things, starting with that the show cares deeply about hank and takes him seriously in a way that the culture doesn't. in a way, yes, he's their dog and pony show with the funny one-liners and the salacious pull. but the arc of the series is unequivocally aligned with him and his desires and his needs and his values.

hank wants to be with his family, wants to be better for them, wants to not let them down- and the show needs him to fail at all of those things. for the dog and pony of it all, for their viewership and for their thesis and for the food in their mouths, but it simultaneously feels bad that he is failing. simultaneously knows that this isn't what he wants, and that it's sad. and it can be as simple as a dream sequence or a look or a quiet final scene, but every single episode is ultimately going to remind you that everything you're laughing at is a loss.

which, like i said at the top, speaks to a level of respect that the show had for the character that is just gone in discussions of the series. they take the time to recognize that he is missing something. he is losing something and he is without everything that means anything to him, this is the cost. equally important, duchovny respects that character and understands the same.

i was listening to an interview last night (trish you heard this) where he was speaking with some podcast dudebros and one of the hosts said that he always wanted to be just like hank moody, and then he made some "bad decisions" and got there, and he doesn't like it. and duchovny said that every time people come up to him saying "i'm just like hank moody," he says "i'm sorry."

men watch and they want to be just like hank moody and women watch and they want to fuck hank moody so bad, and all of you miss what the source comprehends: that it's an irreparable deficit.

other than that, i feel like what roots that show is that it really isn't all that cynical. not in the way that it could be. and the show believes in hank.

there is a lot of kindness and hope (often false hope) that runs underneath most every relationship and interaction and dynamic in the series and i really really appreciate that about it. it's like in the pilot when hank is being mean and he wants marcy to yell at him and she just says "go home, honey. sleep it off. tomorrow's another day."

there's always a little bit of understanding and grace amongst the crazies and i think there's something really special about that

[forever-will-last]

pretty good at being wrong for my whole life; but with you, i know there’s one thing i got right - chapter 6

Rating: Explicit

Ships: Regina George/Cady Heron; Karen Shetty/Gretchen Wieners

Chapter Word Count: 26,424

The sequel to a thousand pictures in my mind; in a painting of the past aka part 3 of the Dead!Aaron AU.

[stormyoceans]

Maybe part of all this is the fact that we(I) went into Vice Versa with no expectations, didn’t even know these actors that well, not sure what to make of the trailer 🤷🏽‍♀️ and for Last Twilight we were(I was) already nomnoms and expecting a tear-jerking masterpiece from the great P’Aof and it just had to be perfect! Maybe we(I) put too much pressure on this show to stick it’s landing 😔

i do think part of the disappointment im feeling comes from the high expectations i had for last twilight tbh ;;;;;;;

like you said, i personally didn't know jimmysea before vice versa outside of jimmy's role as wai in bad buddy, and i went into the show without any kind of expectations, so i was able to enjoy everything that happened without worries. last twilight was a whole different experience altogether, because i waited for it for an entire year, and during that time i came up with so many theories and predictions that my anticipation for it was just insanely high. it was also a different kind of story tho, a story about a main character with disability that was finally gonna bring some kind of representation in the industry and that was gonna mean a lot to that community, so i always needed them to stick the landing

i also didn't want a polarizing ending because i already went through jimmysea getting unnecessary hate during vice versa, and i didn't want it to happen again. i think one of things that's hurting me the most rn is seeing people saying 'nightphorjai and marknamtan saved the show', which is way too similar to the 'tesstun/fuseaou and ohmnanon/aouboom should have been the main pairing' comments i used to see back in the days

and as i said, to me it's not even just about day getting his sight back, i don't have a disability so i don't think i have any right to speak about this over actual disabled people (although day talking about his blindness as a 'dilemma' and the 'worst page' of his novel and how he's back living a normal life now does NOT sit right with me at all), but it's also about the break up and how they treated mork and day as characters (i personally wasn't too comfortable with the way mork just kept pushing himself on day, but that's just me). people can say what they want about vice versa, and im objective enough to admit it's not a perfect show, but i'll be damned if p'x didn't know his characters and remain true to them until the very end

this being said, im still grateful to p'aof for giving jimmysea a chance and helping them gain more popularity, and i also still love the relationship he has with the boys. above all, what happened with the show doesn't change how i feel about jimmysea one bit and i look forward to keep supporting them in the future