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sysmedsaresexist · 16 days ago
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The Big "Is RAMCOA Antisemitic?" Debunk Post
Because I have to stay relevant, here we go
Let's start with a little speech. A bit of positivity.
You know, there is something good to said about this RAMCOA antisemitism discourse. The majority don't seem to be falling for it at all, and many are becoming more educated about the panic, RAMCOA/OEA and its history (the good and the bad) than ever before
RAMCOA/OEA a very real issue that deserves awareness and advocacy, and so far, I've noticed a massive surge in members of the community researching the ISSTD and the OEA sig's work.
It has brought antisemitism into light in a way that hasn't really been talked about on a large scale in system communities, and most don't know ever existed. Many, genuinely, had no idea that the satanic panic was antisemitic in these ways, and it's putting a lot of pieces together and adding a lot of context that'll help us grow and be better people going forward.
It's been really nice seeing such a positive shift to open, educational conversations, with people genuinely wanting to know the truth and unlearn harmful associations.
SAS stands with RAMCOA and OEA survivors.
So let's get into it.
SRA and The Memory Wars, lasting results
SRA started with Michelle Remembers, a book, in 1980. It resulted in thousands of unsubstantiated claims of abuse, daycare hysteria, set CDD research and OEA abuse back decades, affected millions, and to this day conjures images of cloaked figures sacrificing children.
The ISSTD was formed in 1984, amid the panic, with the goal of quickly developing an effective treatment and documenting the disorder as thoroughly as possible. Many mistakes were made. Clinicians aren't immune to societal panics, and lessons were learned the hard way.
I think an important distinction that many have forgotten is that the ISSTD's principal controversy isn't SRA. SRA didn't start or end with the ISSTD.
While the “Satanic Panic” played out in courts and in mass media, the ISSTD entered “The Memory Wars”, and it's this that they're most controversial for. False, implanted, and fostered memories weren't solely related to SRA. It was used to discredit all types of abuse and violence and is still used to this day to silence victims.
By the 1990s, therapists were being sued, licenses were being revoked, and members were fleeing the ISSTD. The False Memory Syndrome Foundation wouldn't be created for another couple of years, but that doesn't mean its founding members weren't already wreaking havoc.
The FMSF would be created in 1992, and their bigger and better attacks on therapists were brutal and persistent. The legal battles would be especially effective at causing therapists to refuse to work with victims of abuse.
Research on ritual abuse, CDDs, and repressed memories came to a grinding halt.
The Satanic Panic eventually fell into relative silence by 1995, but false memories lived on, loud and cruel.
The FMSF would eventually begin to write college textbooks for the next generation of clinicians. It would survive until 2019.
The ISSTD is still trying to regain its membership. It's only recently that they reached 1500, the highest since 1993.
Antisemitism, blood libel, and the satanic panic
If you're confused about how everything is related, I'm going to make it very simple so you grasp the basic idea.
This is not a history lesson.
Blood Libel, or ritual murder, is the idea that Jewish people sacrificed Christian children in religious rituals. Cloaked figures performing rituals and killing children and animals. The same thing you picture when you think of Satanists and rituals.
For those who recognize the connection (racists), this fuels their sentiments and creates a language for them to speak to each other.
It is true, a basic fact, that for many people, Satanists are anyone who doesn't worship the Christian god. Including and especially Jewish people.
SRA and RAMCOA
Depending on who you ask, the connection is either that:
MYTH: the ISSTD originally called their RAMCOA sig (Special Interest Group) the SRA sig. FACT: The RAMCOA sig, one of twelve ISSTD sigs, was created in 2008. There was never any kind of satanic ritual abuse group or association within the ISSTD.
FACT: Ritual abuse, the RA in RAMCOA, still has ties to SRA and brings to mind everything from the panic. ALSO FACT: That's why the ISSTD has renamed it to the OEA sig.
Hopefully we're all on the same page now.
Who's Grey Faction?
Grey Faction is a group of the TST (The Satanic Temple) and is closely related to the FMSF. While the FMSF generally attacked all types of abuse, GF, being related to Satanism, is focused on recovered memories and the (still alive) satanic panic. They believe that all reports of false memories supports satanic panic conspiracy theories. They continue the FMSF's work.
How did we get here?
Well, TST and GF are on reddit. Syscringe is on reddit. And now syscringe is here.
This is what syscringe bot says every time RAMCOA is brought up.
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That link goes to Grey Faction.
So is RAMCOA Antisemitic?
Kind of yeah. It was a really good move of the ISSTD to change the name to OEA sig. They talk about the association on their website and stated they wanted to get away from that. No one won the satanic panic. Ritual abuse is real, but its history is tainted.
The discourse around RAMCOA isn't about helping Jewish people. At least, not for the people pushing the false connection that the ISSTD started and continues to maintain the panic to this day.
It's about discrediting the ISSTD and the trauma theory. It's about silencing victims, even Jewish survivors.
It's about ignoring that the ISSTD is making moves in the right direction.
It's about continuing the idea that false memories exist and that trauma memories can't be trusted or taken at face value. It's about downplaying the depravity of abusers and the lengths they'll go to.
I want to finish this post with a letter from a very dear friend. It's not a mod on this blog, simply someone wishing to stay anonymous.
Uplift Jewish Voices
Hello, I’m Noam, an ethnic and religious Jew. I face antisemitism on the daily and deal with having DID. I am not a RAMCOA survivor, but I have a number of friends who are. Today I’m here to talk about the recent discourse going around regarding whether claiming to have RAMCOA experiences is inherently antisemitic. TLDR: no.
Let’s start with understanding why people think this. The term ritual abuse originated from the term satanic ritual abuse and is often associated with the satanic panic. The satanic panic in the 80s and 90s was extreme and yes, did involve a lot of antisemitic conspiracy theories. People would suggest certain symbols or music or groups of people (often vague, or calling it a nationwide conspiracy) were “brainwashing” these “good Christian children” into satanic practices or straying from rigid Christianity. Jews are often stereotyped as Satanic, controlling things, and murdering and cannibalizing children/babies.
Ritual abuse nowadays is often still associated with Satanic cults, but it has a much broader and less accusatory definition in medical/therapeutic spaces. Per Schröder et al. (2018), “ritual abuse occurs when a religious, political, or spiritual authority uses its position of power and the sovereignty to interpret the respective belief system to manipulate and dominate its followers.” Some examples include repeated forced creation of CSEM, religious and other types of cults (yes, including satanic, but also Christian and other religions), and being forced to abuse others (Schröder et al., 2018). Trafficking is also a type of organized abuse. We know these types of abuses happen. But given the history of RA as a term and the harm claims of SRA caused, how does one determine whether something is a conspiracy theory or actual trauma someone experienced?
This page by the European Commission does a good job of talking about identifying conspiracy theories and the harm they do. I won’t recount the whole thing, but here are some basic things they state conspiracy theories have in common: a secret plot, a group of conspirators, unfounded/unreliable evidence, suggesting everything is connected, dividing the world into good people and bad people, and scapegoating certain groups (“Identifying Conspiracy Theories,” 2020).
What makes (many) stories of RAMCOA different from antisemitic conspiracy theories? I’m glad you asked!
• The secret plot in conspiracy theories often involves a large group of people in on some secret changing something about the world or identifying a secret thing that must have happened to lead to unfortunate current events. RAMCOA tends to stem from people or organizations working on a much smaller scale, and the things they are doing mostly affect the person/people experiencing this abuse. Abusers may try to instill in victims a sense that they control a lot about the world and the events that happen within it, but they don’t.
• A big question I like to ask people who spout conspiracy theories is “who is they (the group of conspirators)?” If they is some generic big bad, the government, “elites” (see the AJC’s Translate Hate Glossary section titled “cosmopolitan elite”), or vague and unknown, it’s usually a dogwhistle for Jews. The person themselves may not realize this, but perhaps they never looked further into the evidence behind these accusations and who those being accused are. RAMCOA perpetrators are not vague to their victims. They often have familial ties or other close relationships with them that allow the abusers to gain their victims’ trust (Schröder et al. 2018). The things they do to abuse people and the methods they use are not vague or mysterious actions to achieve an end. There are specific actions and tactics that cults and authority figures use for RAMCOA.
• Whether evidence is unfounded is a harder thing to distinguish, since many survivors of RAMCOA cope using dissociation or have an amount of dissociative amnesia around traumatic events (Shröder 2018). The Europe Commission suggests three main things to check for in regards to evidence about a claim. Who is the author and why are they writing this? Is the source reliable/reputable? Is the tone and style “balanced and fair or sensationalist and one-dimensional?” (“Identifying Conspiracy Theories,” 2020). I also like to think about, especially with regards to abuse survivors, if this is a conspiracy theory, why are they telling me the things they’re telling me? Most RAMCOA survivors I’ve met avoid talking about their trauma and are more focused on figuring out if what they experienced is real and how to heal from it. They are not trying to convince me of something; they are just sharing their story and looking for support.
• RAMCOA victims I’ve talked to, particularly those with DID, also have a more complex view of their abusers or are trying to come to terms with all the bad things someone they admired, trusted, and/or loved did. Conspiracy theorists tend to separate people into conspirators or innocents. There is no middle ground. Healing for a lot of abuse victims involves realizing that good people can do bad things and bad people can do good things; the world is not black and white.
• Scapegoating often involves generalizing and demonizing certain people or groups of people. I find a lack of seeing these “others” as human or wanting anything other than a single, unified goal. It also tends to involve assumptions much more than any personal experience. Anyone with even the slightest connection to a certain ideology is evil. RAMCOA often involves many victims, many of whom understand that other people involved with the organization that hurt them are also victims or have been scared or brainwashed into further perpetuating abuse.
• Also, while satanic panic was largely about going against Christianity, many religious cults are associated with particular sects or communities within Christianity, and they use certain ideologies within the group to deter people from leaving or reporting abuse. Perpetrators claim some sort of punishment or betrayal will be involved in these actions.
Anyways, I want to put emphasis on healing in RAMCOA survivors, where many of the points and purposes of conspiracy theories are antithetical to such a process. People should be allowed to find support, community, and reliable resources about what they have gone through (if it is physically/mentally safe for them to do so). Please do not insist that these traumas aren’t real on the basis of antisemitism from the satanic panic. The survivors I’ve met who talk about parts of their trauma are working hard to come to terms with it themselves and how to cope, and while they may be angry and upset towards their abusers, they do not try to insist to me how evil a group is and that there is a need to take direct action against them. They are just trying to survive.
Now, ritual abuse as a term and the history of its use is something I think needs more discussion. I would love to see more research about how the term evolved within medical/therapeutic spaces and how much of a connection the current definition and use has to antisemitism. But regardless of what we end up calling these types of abuses, there are real examples of them and people who have empirical evidence that they have been through such experiences.
Furthermore, I have a problem with a lot of the claims of antisemitism in relation to RAMCOA coming from goyim (AKA non-Jews). You are not the authority on antisemitism. You do not get to claim to defend us while not speaking to us about the topic. There is so much antisemitism going around, but I find so few people willing to listen to Jews when we talk about the struggles we face. (The SAS mods are an example of exceptions to this. I appreciate the amount I’ve been able to talk to them and how open and supportive they are. I love y’all.) Encouraging hate and disbelief is not helpful to us. What’s helpful is doing your research and learning about how to recognize and combat antisemitism. Take your energy where it’s needed, thank you.
European Commission. (2020, August 12). Identifying conspiracy theories. European Commission. <https://commission.europa.eu/strategy-and-policy/coronavirus-response/fighting-disinformation/identifying-conspiracy-theories_en>
Gerke, J., Fegert, J., Rassenhofer, M., & Fegert, J. M. (2024). Organized sexualized and ritual violence: Results from two representative German samples. Child Abuse & Neglect, 152, 106792. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.chiabu.2024.106792
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oceanwithouthermoon · 11 months ago
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thinking about kusuke being a "leave me alone, get out of my room" preteen and kusuo being just a kid, still with that hopeful sparkle in his eye and not fully aware of his burdens yet, just wanting to have a brother..
i just. really want to know more about the transitional period between when kusuo was happily participating in their silly little games -> when kusukes resentment got to be too much for either of them to handle and kusuo came to the mindset he has now about being almost fearful of him..
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vmpirevnom · 4 months ago
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It's always "Believe all victims" until it's your favorite music artist...
Caring more about someone who doesn't know you exist rather than the victim is insane. "But I love Melanie so much! She's my comfort person!” shut up. If she wasn't a celebrity you'd be defending the victim, I just know it.
"She should have taken it to court!" You know how many abuse victims don't take their case to court because of emotional trauma?
Besides, Melanie has money and that makes it difficult. Timothy was already harassed for speaking out. A court case would add to it.
The "proof" that Timothy admitted to lying is all edited by chronically online fans that can't handle the truth and want to make up lies.
"She's doing this because Melanie is popular right now." She said in her video that talking about it in 2017 ruined her life. If she was lying, she wouldn't have talked about it again.
And with Melanie getting popular, it’s easier for people to see.
Oh and also Melanie said “she didn’t say no” which is what rapists sometimes say to gaslight the victim. Just because she didn’t say “no” doesn’t mean there was consent or there wasn’t coercion involved.
I support Timothy 1000%
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endless-season · 1 year ago
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Gather around kids, tonight we’re having a grilled squid party.
[ID: Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint fanart. Han Suyeong has a deadpan expression as she sits on the ground creating a black and purple bonfire. Yu Junghyeok has a deadpan expression as he stands on the other side of the bonfire with his sword held up. Kim Dokja is wide eyed and smiling nervously with an ellipsis and question mark written next to him while being dangled by his collar off the end of the sword, above the flames. End ID]
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salinkarta · 10 months ago
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folklór a etnografia by mali byť verejne dostupné
po mojom včerajšom poste kde som požiadala o zdroje ohľadom krojov a paličkovej čipky sa mi súkromne ozvalo pár ľudí s tým, že buď majú knihy, ktoré by mohli byť pre ostatných zaujímavé, alebo ma poprosili, aby som tieto zdroje s nimi zdieľala, ak sa mi dostanú do rúk
za posledných asi 10 rokov čo sa priebežne venujem histórii módy a tradičnému slovenskému kroju som sa dozvedela o viacerých knihách, ktoré vyšli dobrých 40 rokov dozadu a sú takmer nedostupné. neviem ich nájsť v knižniciach a ak ich náhodou nájdem v antikvariátoch, ich cena začína na minimálne 60€ - jedná sa o knihy o ľudovom odeve, ktoré sú uznávané za jedny z najlepších, ktoré kedy vyšli, ale aj o čipke, výšivke a šperku. a ani jedna z týchto kníh už nie je v tlači.
navrhujem teda aby sme sa ako komunita všetci zišli a navštívili naše miestne aj špecializované knižnice a pokúsili sa tieto knihy nájsť a zdigitalizovať, a následne ich zdieľali online.
videla som už viacero ľudí, ktorí podobné knihy zdieľali, ale bolo by asi najlepšie mať celú databázu, v ktorej budú všetky tieto knihy v kope. môžeme to hodiť na uložto a zdieľať medzi sebou heslo alebo mať takto spravený disk na googli.
osobne už vlastním pár kníh, nových aj starých, ktoré sa venujú histórii odievania všeobecne aj v konkrétnych regiónoch, a ktoré by mohli niekoho zaujímať
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ds29gurl2 · 2 years ago
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Seeing all these sadistic m*ther f*ckers get theirs, cleansed my soul, watered my garden and cleared my skin.
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I finished season 2 in one day and it was an awesome time!
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skrimblo · 1 year ago
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Rkgk
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unhingedfemmecontent · 11 months ago
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tw mention of the “kink” dykebreaking and rape play ( THIS IS CRITICISM NOT ME ENGAGING)
nothing fills me with as much rage as these rape play tags. how fucking stupid do you have to be to realize nothing exists in a vacuum. you really think the person you are engaging in these kinks with is thinking about your consent the whole time? you really think telling a man you want him to “dyke break you” won’t effect his perception of all lesbians. and before you fucking start with “it’s a trauma response” THAT DOESN’T MEAN ITS HEALTHY. i’ve been a victim of sexual assault and corrective rape and you know what i do? GO THE FUCK TO THERAPY. you are actively harming a community and if you want to fuck a man YOU AREN’T A DYKE. YOU ARE PRETENDING TO BE TO GET YOUR CREEPY BF OFF. I FUCKING HATE YOU ALL AND HOPE YOU ALL SUFFER.
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thxnks4themrms · 4 months ago
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OKAY SO MY THING WITH THE MELANIE FANDOM IS LIKE THEYRE SO IGNORANT AND INSENSITIVE. THEY WILL LITERALLY GO OUT OF THEIR WAY TO COMMENT ON POST THAT ARE DEFENDING TIMOTHY AND SAY SHIT LIKE “WEARING/JUST BOUGHT HER MERCH!!! 🥰” OR “PLAYING MY PORTALS CD RN 💗” LIKE DUDE REGARDLESS OF WHOS ACTUALLY TELLING THE TRUTH AND WHOS LYING YOU DONT SAY THAT TYPE OF SHIT TO SOMEONE WHO COULD POSSIBLY BE THE VICTIM
What also is like really strange and kinda annoying is that the new earthlings or whatever the bitches who listen to portals are called. In this situation they’re kinda just like making shit worse and it’s like they’re making everything kinda all over the place. Ik not all earthlings are like that but it’s a majority of them who are making the fandom seem bad. What’s kinda weird to me is that like how there’s a whole ass group of collectors who have basically shrines dedicated to Mel but are surprised by these allegations being brought up. Imo if you say someone is your “fav artist” then like at least know more about them and their past - LIKE HOW ARE YOU SPENDING THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS ON MERCH AND ON TICKETS??? I kinda feel like the new people in the fandom just aren’t really normal (there’s ppl who don’t look into her past and there are ppl who literally stalk her and it’s fucking scary) .
I’ve probably said this like a trillion times before but I’ve been a fan since her cry baby era in 2015. Come 2017 when the first sa allegations came out I was pretty young so I didn’t understand it all too well. Now that I’m older I understand it more and like it doesn’t take a fucking smartass to be like “oh hey let’s not pick sides too quickly - let’s just see what’s happening and if anything new comes out” I feel like you need to hear both sides of the story to decide who’s side you’re gonna be on yk
There was some other shit I wanted to say but im kinda all over the place so ill add more shit later but sorry for the rant chat
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petricorah · 4 months ago
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opening asks while i draw! for requests or art questions or song recs or just anything~
some current stuff im into:
zukka (obv)
d20 fantasy high
haikyuu
bg3
six of crows
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oceanwithouthermoon · 9 days ago
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why do people pick and choose what definition of canon they use for which situation and then get angry that anyone disagrees with any part of it 😭
personally, im much less interested in going strictly by the definition that appearances are the things that make canon and much more in what the authors intentions behind those appearances were... and like i feel that i should be allowed to do that without people screaming about how "well this is what i SEE when i watch the show so ur STUPID" LIKE PLEASEEE IM ALLOWED TO THINK DEEPER THAN THAT 😭
like... if i took EVERYTHING at face value, the scene where aiura tries to fake a lucky feel would just actually be attempted sexual assault 😭 but its an out of character moment and im 100% sure that the author didnt intend to make her creepy or an assaulter (more likely, it was one of those "sa isnt sa when its by a woman" moments by the author, so its not supposed to come off as sa and instead just her being a sexual person) ... so i dont see her as one 🤷🏻‍♀️ but again, if you see canon as only whats seen on screen then thats what it was, so you cant just like... refuse to see it that way and then get mad that there are similar things that OTHER people choose to do the same thing with just because you dont do it for those particular things
#im not making any sense i fear but its ok im just ranting#this is just my opinion but it honestly just doesnt make sense in most cases to NOT take the authors intention into account#like the aiura thing ? was completely out of character and doesnt make sense in the context of like everything else she does#so imo it doesnt make sense to see it as canon that she tried to sa him#anyway kuniharu is a pathetic loser and some things he does would be abusive irl but im 100% sure he was not INTENDED to be abusive#and it doesnt fit into the story and doesnt make sense with his character and his relationship with kusuo to interpret it that way imo#its okay to see it that way but it wasnt written with that intention and i refuse to be treated like im stupid for going by that#once again my opinion and nobody is stupid or wrong if they disagree#anyway the point is its perfectly valid to enjoy a manga the way U want to#and only u get to decide how YOU interpret it#but you cant pick and choose with no rhyme or reason and then get mad when other people didnt pick and choose the exact same way#you cant just say 'this thing that happened isnt canon because i think it didnt fit but oh oh if YOU guys think THAT isnt canon cuz it-#doesnt fit then ur literally stupid wtf !! whats wrong with u why are you enjoying canon the way YOU choose !!!'#'i chose canon already guys no doubles 🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺'#'yea this thing happened but it wasnt intended that way... oh but that thing wasnt intended that way but it doesnt count cuz i said so'#you are not the author dawg#saiki k#tdlosk#the disastrous life of saiki k.#meows post
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k-wame · 2 years ago
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і𝖿 ᥡ᥆ᥙ ძᥱᥴіძᥱ 𝗍᥆ ȷ᥆іᥒ 𝗍һᥱm...і ᥕіᥣᥣ ȷ᥆іᥒ 𝗍һᥱ sᥲs 𝗍᥆᥆.
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kcyars99 · 4 months ago
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it goes without saying that child molestaton is nothing to make fun of nor you should out the victim of sexual abuse because it’s the victims story to tell
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Drake has zero problems harassing and targeting the wives and fiancé of his rivals (pusha t and Kendrick Lamar) and targeting women who once were associated with him but want nothing to do with him (Rihanna, Serena, Megan) but had to be shamed into being a father to his own son
and while he’s sitting here talking about how Kendrick being a "woman beater” and his son not being his but Dave free he’s out there being friends with that leprechaun who shot at Megan four years ago advocating for his freedom which is never gonna happen , possibly hiding an 11 year old daughter , text messaging teenage girls like a lovesick boyfriend even though he’s old enough to be their father and him being loud and wrongo about his rivals rough childhood(see the critical and commercial flop The Heart Part 6 in which f Drake claims that Lamar fixates on the topic of pedophila because of his own supposed molestation as a child, labeling this "trauma from [Lamar's] own confessions". Drake traces this to Lamar's song "Mother I Sober" off of his 2022 album Mr. Morale & The Big Steppers, referring to the song as "that one record where you say you got molested". However, the referenced song is actually about generational trauma and Lamar's mother not believing him when he truthfully told her he had not been molested.)
so it’s a problem for Kendrick to have a successful hit making record breaking potential song of the summer and song of the year, which is a complete annihilation of Drake but it’s okay for Drake to make light of molestation, messing with his male rivals family members and children’s, being inappropriate with teenage girls and hide children and not take care of them and make light of the trauma of black folks more specifically black women traumatic experiences and hangs out with these women’s abusers and it’s all friends with them? Are you kidding me? Don’t make me laugh.
I don’t care if there’s a gummy bear, teddy bears, the bearstein bears, Chicago Bears, Chicago Cubs, Yogi Bear, polar bear, black bear, grizzly bears, mama bear , Jeremy Allen White from the TV series the bear, little bear from the children series little bear, Paddington Bear, corduroy bear, Winnie the Pooh, Bear Grylls, heck, even smoky the bear I’m choosing those bears over Drake every time because they are not a sassy immature biiich like him
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winepresswrath · 5 months ago
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what louis did to lestat and what louis did to armand are connected and that's important to the story but also. it is simply not the same. nothing louis did excuses armand's behaviour, that's not how anything works, but he did not "cross a line" or "poke at armand," he weaponized armand's history of abuse to belittle and demean him. nothing armand said to louis came close- the equivalent would have been "oooh, i'm such a stupid bitch that my husband can beat me half to death and i'll keep crawling back for more even when it endangers my daughter!" it's retraumatizing and deeply destabilizing to hear that shit from your partner. and in response armand should have been like "well this man sucks when he's high and he's high all the time, so i'm bouncing" but if he'd done that we wouldn't have a story, would we?
edit: i've come back to give armand credit for "claudia didn't love you like we did/do. ps. u used her to distract from your own hurt feelings" that shit does hit in a similar way. however "the ways someone hurt you have left you contemptible and weak. they scrawled 'dirty and annoying' all over your soul in red ink and it's never coming off" is just outstanding work. timeless
#press says iwtv#interview with the vampire#louis is my special little princess i love him forever and i enjoyed that fight so much#probably my favourite part of the episode#and it had a lot of competition#but tbh the discourse feels almost full circle victim blaming#like yeah what he said was that bad. and he still didn't deserve that#but it was very much that bad#also that was blatantly an addict fight#you do this all the time and then apologize#but it never means anything and you always start up again?#plus louis' little aww i was jus having fun... sorry#they have been on this roller coaster louis has been a tremendously shitty boyfriend armand should leave him!#but there's no amount of bad behaviour where you get to do surgery on your husband's memories torture him for days#and self soothe by tormenting his mistress to death!#if you CAN go you go. and armand can go. that's what he has going for him that claudia for example did not#which is why she does get to murder lestat and his mistress#i mean she could anyway#because i love her#but that's the crucial distinction in their behaviour she's trying to get away armand is trying to make louis stay#they're all monsters. this is not about claudia good armand bad. they are both serial killers. but still. these things are not the same#for the record yes louis was also honestly a pretty shitty boyfriend to lestat but y/k.#was he out there being like oooooohhh i'm lestat i have abandonment issues because my rapist killed himself in front of me#because i'm just that pathetic#he was not.#and if he had it would still have been wrong for lestat to beat him up and drop him from the stratosphere.#tw: sa#tw: abuse
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salinkarta · 9 months ago
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dôležitá otázka pre obrodencov
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ro--lal · 12 days ago
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coughing sounds like coffee and yk what coffee is? coffee jelly and yk who likes coffee jelly? kusuo saiki from 'hit' anime and manga the disastrous life of saiki k
oooookay pal
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