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"The knowledge of good and evil" has come to mean for me that the implications are that our use of tools led us to thinking abstractly about everying, which turned into a desire to consider everything as just a utility, something to be retooled for our personal benefit, inconsiderate of all else.
The reason Adam & Eve covering themselves out of shame was because suddenly, they realised that they too could be seen as a "utility" to someone else. Being naked now meant being vulnerable; more easily exploited, and easy to break. It's telling, that the very next chapter shows Cain utilizing a rock for murder.
Not that I'm against human ingenuity or engineering (unless it's stuff like weaponry or Ai), since it doesn't seem like God was ever against us having it. It's perhaps the only way in which we resemble him in any way. But I do wonder sometimes, about how our brains and hormones would've been wired with the extra space there'd be from not having to be thinking about the potential harm(s) that any and every man-made object, be it physical, social, societal, or whatever, could cause...
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I think the difference between myself and other religious people is that I don't see saying "oh my g-d" as being disgraceful to His name. I see saying "oh my g-d" like you're trying to get g-d's attention so you can do this:
#jumblr#personal thoughts tag#you can pry 'oh my g-d' from my cold dead religious hands. and you will fail because g-d is With me#g-d and i just have that kind of relationship 💪#this is one thing i never got especially in the xtian community#i love getting g-d's attention. i am a little cat meowing at the door of His closed bedroom door#i am meowing and meowing and meowing until He decides to open the door. and then i sprint away#instead of bringing Him dead mice however i bring him lamentations and cries. g-d WILL listen to the gifts i bring because i love Him
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trying to find a tkgn fic i barely remember the details of but whoaaaa no way really nice sorrowfulsweet sugi pov kid-to-adulthood........
#[pushing past headache] i think like. most favorite doing of 'shouyou has to have The Talk w one of his kids hes just realized is in love#w his other kid' bc in this one he has to contend with countering historical xtian homophobia for his little eight year old. very true he#would say that. fic that has made me have more thoughts about bansai than i ever did in canon as well kjsdfg <- honestly forgot#about him after he died sorry. i forgot sugi was mourning his new boyfriend who taught him how to love again while he was dead thats neat.#sopping wet gintoki posting#i loooooooooooveeeeeee a wish fulfillment fic i love to be nice to my wretched little guy. yeah theres a remotely possible universe where#u and gintoki could be nice to each other in the worst moments. it couldve happened like that.
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ok well we know that jesus can emit pure light as he did when he was in his tomb + i assume the light is holiness or joy or purity (considering his spirit was in heaven but his body had died in sin) (considering his body was holy but his spirit was drowning in unquenchable fire).. thinking about the version of jesus i made up in my head who's way cooler and more transgender and i think he would emit sparks and a glowing electric light if you fucked him and i think it would inspire an unfathomably intense lust
#text#this is NOT me taking a stance on whether jesus went to heaven or hell when he died#i didnt know there was discourse about this til i googled to double check i thought it was a given that he went to hell ??#i was CERTAIN it was hell because what else would the damn point of the crucifixion be#gotquestions dot org is trying to say Ofc he didnt go to hell hes too special and ur just reading the verse wrong#which like. ok but THE POINT OF HIS DEATH WAS TO WASH EVERYONES SIN AWAY AND PAY THE ULTIMATE PRICE#WHICH IS *DEATH* WHICH LEADS TO *GOING TO HELL* IF YOU'RE NOT SAVED. WHICH HE WASNT! BECAUSE *HE WAS THE SACRIFICE*#THATS THE WHOLE POINT!!! HE WAS DOOMED BY THE NARRATIVE. HE WENT TO HELL. HE CAME BACK.#um. i rescind my previous statement about not taking a stance i think i have actually#But if u have like solid proof that isnt 1 peter 3:18-20 pls lmk i havent read the bible in years#OH YEAH DISCLAIMER: i am not xtian . just insane . i was raised as one so i know a lot of lore#but i have memory problems so i forgot a lot of lore#yay!#nsft#SORRY i have like brain problems that lead to me saying these things#likethere is genuinely something reallywrong with me i think But that's not really important read my funny posts boy#would you suck jesus's strap. it is glowing with holy light btw#sorry again#I would.#sorr y a third time#tboy jesus tag
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Reading the Orchid Thief and lemme say. So fascinating to see someone like. Try to come up with a Reason Why humans like orchids. Two chapters here in a row pretty much treating Orchid hobbyists and plant hobbyists in general like one would an entirely alien culture- and don't get me wrong I understand why to an extent. Trying to make this book marketable outside just plant circles and what have you. But some of the way the camera is angled here is just. Fascinating.
Like, she explains how there are so many unique ways orchids evolved, as an attempt to contextualize for a reader why people might go crazy for them in specific, and describes individual species unique mating strategies, and the inability of them to self pollinate- but while I think that context is interesting it doesn't explain a damn thing. For one thing, having an extremely specific mating strategy is not solely an Orchid thing- a LOT of plants do it like that. Lots are flexible but I would say a vast swath are not and require specific things. For another- apples also don't self fertilize, but you don't have hundreds of thousands of apple varietal collectors.
She discusses their beauty as a reason they're collected- I won't deny that being a factor for sure, plants that humans like the shape of have a tendency to get collected and overcollected all the time- but like. A lot of people collect things that are traditionally ugly or even smell bad- and if it was exclusively a shallow pursuit, no one would work as hard as is required for an insane amount of orchids.
Part of the reasons orchids in particular are popular has to do with colonization. I can't articulate it all myself bc I haven't done research- but a genus that largely exists in tropical regions, that became popular in the late 1800s, that, in order to get in homes, white men would travel to all sorts of regions to take plants out of to get in the home? That is gonna help it get more popular than tomato or apple varieties for sure. I'm sure she's gonna touch on this eventually, given that the story she's covering actually involves the Seminole nation so I'm not holding it against her.
I suppose I'm just fascinated by her approach so far as to trying to understand why anyone would. Work to grow something? Really like something? I mean she pretty explicitly states that she "wants to want something" as much as these people want their plants- describes hobby communities and the idea of like. Working a hobby into your schedule or having friends related to the hobby as a "religion". She's baffled by like. Putting time and energy into a hobby and gaining joy and community from it and is trying to like. Break down orchids into their component parts to understand what makes someone. Want to grow a plant? And get community out of a hobby?
I'm going to be charitable and not make presumptions that she doesn't know like. The concept of loneliness and therefore a longing for community. Or that on some level she must know what common signs of autism are (ignoring her having spent several paragraphs describing several different people with classic signs and symptoms and then settling on "weird"). But it makes me want to turn the camera lens around for a moment. What makes someone presume that it's Orchid "obsession" (the word hobby is rather rare in the book acrually) that is particularly strange or more obsessed than other obsessions? What makes one abstract others hobbies and interests as needing a solve while the ones you surely have seen all over and even participated in aren't worth that examination? The line between "normal" and "abnomal" is entirely one made by dominant society
So this is why hobbies and kink aren't so different in the way they're perceived-
Orchids are an obsession to this author, to be highlighted and examined, or a hobby, to most people. They get a noteworthy category because they are seen as atypical. Sports-watching, however, is like. Never discussed as hobby. Watching football, watching soccer. It's just normal. No one says "that's my hobby." Even if a guy had a room full of memorabilia he would be noted as a "team fan" not a hobbyist. Sports has been declared normative, so it's not really considered a hobby by anyone. Plants? Non normative, therefore the same exact behaviors will get you considered unusual and a hobbyist.
Kink is the same way. People who are attracted to women being interested in breasts is so assumed to be normal and natural that no one calls it a kink. Breasts, the fatty deposits intended for feeding young, are expected to be hidden bc this kink (which everyone refuses to call a kink or a fetish or what have you) is seen as so universal. It's seen as immutable fact that there is a sexual nature to them. Feet however? If someone's into that that's a kink or a fetish if you're feeling kind, an obsession that makes you strange and worthy of examination and explanation if you're not.
I'm not arguing for doing away with calling things hobbies or kinks- I'm actually advocating for calling more normative things those words actually- I think it's just helpful to see where the framing of something, the way in which we choose to examine it, also has a lot to say about that which we leave unexamined, and unnamed. Because we don't categorize the normal.
#bookblr#just left me with thoughts tbh#the orchid thief#literally only like chapter 3 rn to be clear maybe a lot of this framing shifts. but like#she does go on discussing how she avoided keeping an orchid because she was afraid of it making her like everyone else she was speaking to#and like. thats when i was like. okay shes being exceedingly fucking weird in her approach to this.#and it makes her seem like. an evangelical xtian trying to avoid becoming corrupted. it made me start thinking too much#and then like. she also is like 'whats the deal w these orchids! why does everyone like them! ill go traipsing thru a swamp to find out!'#which is wild when like. maybe you could find out by growing them. the thing that all the hobbyists you find so strange are actually doing.#like only very few are going into swamps to find them bro#trying to explain why people like sports by going to the local park and watching children play basketball without understanding the rules#and then being like i dont get it!! like. yeah there are some noted differences here.#and also like the whole hike she hates it and doesnt want to hike and is unnerved by outside and walking. like girl! come on#she talks to a guy and is like why would you like orchids why would you waste your time waiting years for a bloom#and when hes essentially like. the time will pass anyway. shes like i still dont get it. but if i touch an orchid i might become insane so.#to be clear im enjoying this book. i think shes very funny. i also just think like okay. lets turn this lense back at u and ur weirdness#for more than 4 sentences girl. you read an article about a plant crime in fl. you. a woman who neither likes plants of any kind#nor lives in fl. and you flew down to learn everything you could. then you refused to actually grow a plant while trying to supposedly learn#everything about these plants to contextualize why someone would steal them#dude. girl. my friend. why did YOU do any of that?? you seem markedly stranger to me- someone who professes to care about nothing#but does all that. and then is terrified of. plant.#krogans thoughts
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christian esotericism is so cool too bad it's heresy 😔
#kicking my feet giggling thinking abt all the neat mythology surrounding demons (none of these words r in the bible is actually accurate#kings of hell places of angels in heaven etc. Who looked at this and thought 'this is cringe we should persecute people believing this'#i just want to talk to them#gnosticism alone. everyone has a piece of god within them etc. that's so cool#like bitch you already teach kids names and gifts of the wise men (all folklore) saints (folklore) christmas (folklore AND paganism)#could you try being a little bit interesting. for once#giordano bruno was right and they burned him 0/10#isn't is so cool how chrisrianity despite its puritanism partially did adopt the roman custom of#absorbing religious practices among converted people. at least initially. it's where most xtian holidays and festivals come from.#how depictions of various figures and even interpretations of laws are blatantly inspired by pagan practices etc.#idk im just thinking about it
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do you think jesus died and came back wrong
#I thought of this post in church#(im not xtian I just go to church sometimes. don’t ask me to explain I can do what I want)
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YES WIN THEY ALREADY FOUND SOMEONE TO TAKE THAT OLD LADYS SHIFTS FROM ME I DONT HAVE TO GO THERE TODAY YAHOO
#im just a tad confused#cause i SWORE on wednesday when we talked about it#while she did tell me just to work thru sunday#that she also said she hadnt found anyone to take the shifts yet?#but when i called just now she said she did tell me before that she had someone...#either way idc i dont have to go back i literally spent maybe 30+ minutes last night praying for this outcome im so . relieved#(< religion jumpscare sorry to the folks that thought im athiest or agnostic.....not xtian tho either)
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skip 'hello from the magic tavern' ep20 if you're listening, btw. the guest makes a joke of being antisemitic. like I don’t think it's meant to reflect her actual views but her fantasty character is antisemitic and it's treated as a joke
#also there's more fantasy racism in this than I thought when I started#also a guest the next episode tried to make a homophobic joke but it didnt land because there's already been so much butt stuff on the show#that it just felt like a casual thing.#but yeah skip 20 the guest is like a fantasy conservative xtian#cor.txt
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i mean whats not clicking
#it's there as a vibe check#apparently xtians r like it represents gods love for Mary??????#Christians will just say ANYTHING I thought Mary was gods mum
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Thinking about that whichever-irate-right-wingnut whobwas complaining that it was considered "hate speech" to go around saying that "the Jews killed Jesus."
And how, the very same bibble-thumping peoples are even quicker to cry out to the government for bloodshed for righteousness' sake, than the mobs who lobbied for crucifying a Jew, millennia ago.
It truly seems that the mightiest hand in the devil's arsenal, is playing the card of "righteous indignation."
Though giving out "bad-faith" intrepations seems to be his M.O, but that's for another post...
#religion#christianity#just-christian-thoughts#theology#just christian thoughts#just xtian thoughts#xtianity#bible#politics#us politics#conservatives#philosophy#cw blood mention#cw death mention#cw politics#cw religion#tw religion#cw religious themes#tw religious themes#tw death mention#tw blood mention#tw politics
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Me to people who are using "judeochristian" imprudently
#jumblr#personal thoughts tag#the thing that inspired this was my prof saying america is judeochristian#but then he could ONLY name things xtians and muslims do. literally NOTHING mentioned about jewish practices just them#doesn't seem as judeochristian if you know so little about jews that you can't even give an example as to what we* do#i just thought that was just a funny juxtaposition
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Just got really excited about the idea of instead of the "melting pot" where everyone comes together to form a basically homogeneous but delicious dish, having the idea of the stew. If you just have meat in your stew or just carrots or just potatoes, it won't be a very good stew, but when you put them together on a good simmer it makes a delicious dish. The main difference from the melting pot, however, is that while the whole dish infuses with my carrot's taste, I am still a carrot. I am made better by learning the culture of the potato, but the potato is still a wonderful potato. My tastes are important in this stew, but I won't be forced to convert into a piece of beef. The importance should not be set on becoming a homogenous yummy middle, but embracing the deliciousness of each piece, picking up flavors from each other by learning from each other, and becoming a better whole because of it.
#thoughts#dei#the goal shouldn't be for me to become an xtian because that's the 'median'#and the goal shouldn't be for everyone to join me in my bi-ness because that's 'between' gay and straight or something#idk I just got excited by the concept
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thinking about the time I was 5 and a teacher explained what Heaven was to me for the first time (all the best people are there, recess is forever, and I could eat as much chocolate as I wanted) and I'm like ma'am sign me the FUCK up (roughly speaking) and then she had me pray to Jesus to ask to become Xtian
And I was SO absolutely excited, because I thought I'd get immediately beamed up into Heaven, Star Trek style. Everyone else in my class may have been excited about recess coming up, but they were SUCKERS because I was about to get FOREVER recess, and INFINITE chocolate
And I'm like man what's wrong with people that everyone doesn't do this. And my teacher was like you are so smart and that's so true and I'm like yeah I AM so smart and that IS so true
cut to around an hour later, and I'm now angry, confused, and hurt, that Jesus was taking so long to beam me up to Heaven and I was expected to go to REGULAR, FINITE, TEMPORARY recess. A little delay, I could understand. The man was probably very busy. But once it got to a whole hour, that was just unreasonable.
So I go and ask the teacher what went wrong, and why Jesus was dragging his feet on this whole taking me to Heaven thing, and she was like oh. I'm sorry. You only go to Heaven when you're dead.
And I asked her something along the lines of, so the only people who know about Heaven are dead people. and we can't talk to dead people
And she uncomfortably said, Yes.
And I just scowled at her and walked away.
She never tried to talk to me about Jesus or Heaven ever again, but I hope the next time she wanted to convert a five year old, she thought about me scowling up at her in my thick rimmed glasses asking what exactly the holdup was for the Good Lord to just fucking kill me already lmao
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I hate it when xtians reduce my religious trauma to "a religious person said something mean to you once so now you're mad at religion".
Like, shut the fuck up. My trauma isn't just someone being a little rude to me once, it was systematic, deliberate manipulation with the threat of possible eternity of suffering in Hell if I didn't obey religious rules and "keep Christ in my heart". It was "Nonbelievers burn in a lake of eternal fire. Tell your friends to convert to our faith or they'll be damned for eternity".
I have suffered from anxiety, ocd and other mental health issues for several fucking years because of this shit. I've suppressed my sexuality and felt terrible guilt just for the 'sin' of having sexual thoughts. I've feared for my loved one's souls, genuinely believing they would go to Hell for simply not being xtians and that I'd never see them again in the afterlife.
These beliefs are sick and twisted. What I went through was sick and twisted.
I seriously don't know what to say to you if you still think telling anyone, let alone a child, that they're going to be damned for eternity if they disobey 'God's word' is totally fine and not abusive.
Know your fucking place and stop speaking over trauma survivors who have been hurt by your shitty religion.
#ex religious#religious trauma#fuck christianity#anti christianity#anti purity culture#ex christian#ex baptist#fuck conservatives#anti conservative#right wing nut jobs#conservative insanity#online drama#vent post#vent tag#tw hell mention#tw eternal damnation#hell tw
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Yep, all of this ties directly to the point I was making, a lot of christians believe you are incapable of harm if you do things in a godly way, and that includes things god himself is said to have done. To them, none of it was a mistake and none of it was bad, because that's something god is literally incapable of. It does not occur to them that the bible is misogynistic because it was written by men who were misogynistic in a misogynistic culture. To them, their book inspired by god, is either misogynistic because misogyny isn't a bad thing, or it's not misogynistic at all because god is incapable of that and anyone claiming otherwise is lying/exaggerating/in line with satan and trying to topple the """natural""" order. The "you cannot do harm if you do something in a godly way" line of thinking comes straight from their god, who they believe literally cannot cause harm and always acts justly.
A really common retort to people talking about the harm caused by christianity is "I'm sorry you were hurt by fake christians, that would never happen at my church." But the thing they don't realize is they often have the same exact beliefs of the "fake christians", even if it's worded slightly differently. So many people are seemingly incapable of recognizing that the harm didn't come from people not living out the word of god correctly, it came from people living it out extremely correctly. "Living godly" in the way a lot these people talk about often is inescapable from harming people. The issue can never be with the doctrine itself though, it's always just the "flawed humans trying to live it out the best they can and sometimes they mess up". I'd argue the belief that doctrine cannot be wrong and it's just sinful humans messing it up is often very intentional.
I understand the intent behind sentiments like "you can't treat people badly and worship god at the same time" but uhhh people absolutely can and do, like, literally all the fucking time. And if it was just an incorrect statement I'd probably roll my eyes a bit and move on, but my real issue with it is how it falls right in line with a really common theme of christian refusal to acknowledge any harm they have caused. There's this belief in a lot of christian circles that doing things in a "godly way" cannot actually cause harm and if someone claims it did harm them they are lying, exaggerating, and/or aligned with satan (which is why """godliness""" hurts and is actually a good thing). People are often trying to say, "you are harming people which means you're not worshipping god properly," but it can just as easily be read "since you are worshipping god, anything you do in the name of god cannot cause harm and you can ignore anyone who claims it does." It’s not calling out the hypocrisy, it's validating that if they are worshipping god correctly (which ofc they are) they cannot cause any harm and can dismiss anyone that claims otherwise.
#i tend to get asks about this when i post about the old testament#so disclaimer: i am referring to the Christian interpretation and criticizing the way Christians use it#i understand that these are jewish texts but I'm not referring to judaism when I'm talking about this#I'm not familiar with it enough to make any comments about it#however i am extremely familiar with the way xtians weaponize it and i think it should be called out#also the second paragraph specifically is emotion control which falls under#cult tactics#“places blame onto individuals for leadership. group. or systemic mistreatment and abuse”#it also invalidates reasons for leaving (they were just Bad Christians you can't leave just bc Humans were Human)#it's arguably connected to “forbids questioning leader. doctrine. or policy” in thought control too#and things like “god is good all the time all the time god is good” is a cliché with the intention#to stop critical thinking around it and justify anything god does (also thought control)#anyway
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