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artisticmenace · 10 months
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this town has my heart and soul
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arthurtaylorlester · 1 year
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the john bracket is pitting john doe against john keters, yknow the farmer ........
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dandeland · 1 year
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Taako. Y’know, from TV? 🤝John Peters, y’know, the farmer?
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pensivespacepirate · 2 years
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the modern day night vale listening experience is "ah my beloved fucked up town WAIT HANG ON WAS THAT PLOT"
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arataka-reigen · 2 years
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Where is Dana, has anyone heard from Dana? What is Strex Corp? Where have the angels (not real) gone? Does Tamika Flynn and her militia plan to kill god or something like that? Can someone please help John Peters, yknow, the farmer?
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spare-teeth · 3 years
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I remember seeing a hc somewhere idk about how nv citizens call John Peters always say "John Peters, yknow, the farmer" bcause they always forget his job and say that to remind each other or smth like that and I think it would be funny if everyone in gm only calls Dave Lucas "the farmer" bcause they forget his actual name all the time n there's only one so you know who they're talking about so it's fine
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dracolizardlars · 5 years
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since the villages & pillages update I’ve been lovingly tending a nice little tundra village and for the first time I’ve got into villager breeding, and let me just say, goddamn the farmer is a slut. they’ve had about 4 or 5 kids with different people in the village so far XD logically i know WHY, it’s bc their inventory usually already has food bc they harvest crops by theirself so when i’m throwing vegetables at everyone they reach the quota to breed most easily, but it’s funny. I also like the fact that it renders more or less the entire village as a polycule and their kids. communist polyamorous minecraft villagers 
oh yeah another fun fact about that farmer: when I first came to the village and decided to put signs on all the houses, rather than just “farmer’s house” on their house I put “John Peters (yknow the farmer)’s house” as a WTNV reference and unlike most of the original population, they have survived the whole time. i hope they never die
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lacrimosathedark · 4 years
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Hamilton Inaccuracies/Corrections (because why not?)
Okay so, I saw a post on reddit that was like, “what’s some inaccuracies in Hamilton off the top of your head?” and I got a whole bunch...and then I had to double check to make sure if I was right...and I’m pretty long-winded...and  now I have this 5,000ish word monstrosity. And apparently you can only post 1000 characters at a time on reddit. Laaaaame. So here’s some Hamilton facts I’ve gathered in my brain. Since it was kinda off the top of my head despite being so long, it’s kinda vague in some places, so if anyone wants to expand on anything (or correct me if I oopsed somewhere) please do! Though nicely please.
Also I am also awful at citing things, but I know I learned some of this from @john-laurens and @ciceroprofacto so thank you.
LET’S BEGIN!
Act 1
Rachel Faucette was not a prostitute, but she was a “whore” in the sense that she did what she fucking wanted with her body. During her first marriage she may or may not have been sleeping around, but she refused to stay with John Lavien, her husband, anymore. So he had her arrested. And he could do that. Because patriarchy and theocracy. And she was essentially put in solitary confinement. You can see why she tried to leave, right? She tried to get their marriage annulled or get a divorce. I forget what the issue was but she couldn’t and eventually she just moved to another island where she met James Hamilton.
The intro song makes it seem like Alexander was an only child. He actually had an older brother, James Jr., but he kinda fucked off after their mother died, working and taking care of himself. They also had an older half-brother Peter Lavien, but I don’t think they really knew him other than as the son of their mother’s abusive ex who took everything from them when she died. John Lavien was able to do that because when Rachel was with James Hamilton, she had not been able to get legally divorced from him so she wasn’t really married to James Hamilton, so James Jr. and Alexander were illegitimate ie bastards. He was an asshole. I don't think Peter had anything against the Hamiltons, but I think he grew up to be a Loyalist so. He actually made some trouble in South Carolina for Henry Laurens, John's dad! But I think I read somewhere he also left money for Alex and James Jr. In his will, which is sweet.
This is more visual since it’s not specified in the song, but in the show, Hamilton’s cousin mimes hanging himself. Peter Lytton’s cause of death if I recall was inconclusive, but he was in his bed and there was a lot of blood. So, yeah, he didn’t hang himself.
Alexander did not punch the bursar. However he did return to Princeton later during the war and blew a canon through the school and apparently decapitated a painting of King George lololol. He was under orders, but yknow. Probably felt pretty good after he was rejected for accelerated courses. He wasn’t the only bastard rejected, though! Ben Franklin’s bastard son was too. The guy in charge of admissions, Witherspoon, hated bastards as a concept and Princeton was a very religious school at the time I believe.
It may have been the plan by Aaron and Esther Burr for Aaron Jr to graduate Princeton, but like, he couldn’t really be sure of that? He was like 2 years old when they died, and his older sister Sally was 4 I believe, maybe 5.
Hercules Mulligan met Alex in 1772. His older brother Hugh knew Alex’s old employer in St. Croix and helped him get to mainland America. Alex and Hercules lived together for a long while, and Hercules is actually who got him interested in the revolution.
John Laurens was in England in 1776. He wouldn’t meet Hamilton and Lafayette until he accepted his post as Washington’s aide-de-camp upon his return in August of 1777.
Lafayette couldn’t have met Hamilton before August 1777 because that’s when he met Washington, and he was appointed as a volunteer to the Continental Army only a week prior, and before that he had been in France. But Lafayette later declared their relationship to be like that of brothers, Alexander his closest connection in the states besides Washington.
Lafayette admired and absolutely adored Laurens and they were besties, but neither of them knew Mulligan. They may have met in passing, or heard about him from Hamilton, but nothing more.
“Lafayette” was actually a nickname based on his title of “Marquis de la Fayette”. In his autobiography, he wrote: “It’s not my fault I was baptized like a Spaniard, with the name of every conceivable saint who might offer me more protection in battle.” I’m glad he thought it was funny at least. His name is Marie-Joseph Paul Yves Roch Gilbert du Motier, Marquis de la Fayette.
Hercules Mulligan is not known to fuck horses.
The Revolution had already sorta started. Actually, Hercules and Alexander had been part of local militias before 1776.
This is more of a miscommunication since the actors are close in age, though the lyrics try to get it across. There’s a reason Mulligan says he’s got the others “in loco parentis”. In 1776 Hamilton and Lafayette would have been 19, Laurens would have been 22, and Mulligan would have been 36.
I think we all know “Laurens, I like you a lot” does not cover the scope of their relationship but that’s rather self explanatory so unless someone asks I’ll leave it at that. And for other clarifications. But at the very least I’ll share this: Anyone who saw them knew they were like attached at the hip (without knowing how attached *winkwonk*) and you could almost always contact one through the other. Laurens was notoriously bad at answering letters, to Hamilton too (and Alex did bitch about it because he is insecure and needs love), but it became quickly known he got back to Hamilton fastest so people would be like “Tell Laurens I said hi!” or “Hey, I need to get these to Laurens, you send them to him.” Which is hilarious. I just imagine Alexander going, “Why me?”
While all of them are Revolutionaries, Laurens is the only one you could solidly call an abolitionist, and Mulligan’s even shaky on the manumission part. He was supposedly part of the Manumission Society Hamilton helped start, but Mulligan also personally owned slaves and was never known to have freed them (One helped him with spy shit. His name was Cato!). In fairness, Hamilton and Lafayette wholeheartedly agreed with Laurens, and Hamilton was the biggest supporter of his battalion plan, and both of them did try to continue working towards equality after the war, but it was never the top priority for either of them and their lives kinda went to hell, so it fell to the wayside. Lafayette actually did some nifty stuff worth looking at, and Hamilton might have tried to keep one of John Lauren’s freed men from Henry Laurens! But as slavery stuck around for a while, it clearly wasn’t anything significant.
Angelica would meet and befriend Thomas Jefferson in Europe, but she would never manage to convince him to put women in a sequel because he’s a huge misogynist and told her in multiple letters that politics isn’t for women and I think he deserves a shoe up his southern backside. Side note, it always bothered me that Lin played up the misogyny in the musical. I mean, yeah, all of them would be misogynists compared to us, but for their time, Hamilton wasn’t so bad. If there was anyone to play up misogyny with, it was Jefferson, because he would tell Angelica for years and years that politics could never make women happy, and that the women in France were foolish for trying etc.. Hamilton would actually discuss politics with Angelica frequently and openly. And there’s a proto-feminist in the cast that was never recognized—Aaron Burr! He respected Theodosia Sr. as an equal and she was his most valuable political ally, and he made sure Theodosia Jr. got the same education any boy of her time would have. He actually respected women to a decent degree. Not to say he wasn't as much of a ho as Hamilton cuz yeah that's accurate (but they were both disaster bisexuals more on Burr's sexuality later)
Farmer Refuted was an essay Hamilton wrote arguing against Samuel Seabury's posts. They weren't shouting in the public square(but Lin got the sass right. I love his face when Hamilton and Seabury are fighting over the podium). Seabury was also really really old, not young and cute like Thayne, hence the line about "mange". Blech.
General Montgomery didn’t take a bullet in the neck, it was a grapeshot from a canon in his head (and his thighs), but close enough I guess. Side note: Burr actually served a short interim on Washington’s staff, but only for like 10 days because they hated each other lolol.
Alexander didn’t bring Laurens, Mulligan, or Lafayette to Washington. Lafayette joined up with the Continental Army in 1777 and quickly convinced them he wasn’t like the other French nobles; he was a glory-seeking kid with a boner for America (for some reason???). Laurens was requested by Washington to join his military family and he arrived also in August 1777 just after Lafayette. Like previously stated, Mulligan was doing shit even before Hamilton did.
Alexander would not have been in charge of spy shit (though may have been somewhat involved). Washington had people like Mulligan for that, who actually saved Washington a few times. But also, the "King’s men who might let some things slide" was the tactic Mulligan used. He was actually very charming, and his wife was very high in British society and he was a skilled tailor, so they were thought of well among the redcoats, and he got a lot of information through chatting with his customers. He also could usually smooth-talk his way out of trouble. Actually, Mulligan blended in so well, when the war was over, people in the city wanted him out cuz they thought he was a Loyalist. So George fucking Washington paid him a visit and commissioned I think a coat from him, and that cleared that up. He got a LOT of business after that.
Alexander would not be Washington’s right hand man, or at least, not his only one if Lin was using that to mean aide-de-camp. In that case, Laurens would also be Washington’s right hand man, along with many men not named in the musical.
John Laurens may have been reliable with the ladies (comes with the territory of being hot, rich, and a perfect gentleman), but he most certainly didn’t want to be. His father noted, rather proudly at the time, that as a young teenager he expressed no interest in girls. John was also married by 1780, and at least Alexander knew. (he told John he'd found out in the well-known April 1779 letter. You know... “Cold in my professions...find me a wife...the length of my nose...” That one.) Because John apparently didn't tell people he was married. Laurens. Sweetheart. Get. Your. Shit. Together.
John also would not be at this ball. February 1779 to March 1780 he is fighting down south, and this ball was early 1780.
The tomcat thing may be half true. Martha Washington did supposedly name a cat Hamilton, but it was an affectionate thing. The slang tomcat meaning ho wasn’t a thing at that time, so it couldn’t be named to tease Alex for his promiscuity. I believe this was one of the many things John Adams made up to slander Hamilton.
Hamilton and Eliza had met before 1780. They had met once two years prior at a dinner her father had hosted. Also, Hamilton had been courting her friend Kitty Livingston, and his friend and fellow aide Tench Tilghman had been attempting to court Eliza, and they’d actually done at least one sort-of double date (which is adorable). So this shouldn’t have been the first time they’d seen each other. Could still be when they fell in love, though, since they started courting after this. Which is cute to think about.
Speaking of Tench and Eliza! I don't remember when this took place but Tilghman journaled it, he went out on something of a hike with a few ladies and they got to a cliff. Of course, he had to help the girls climb up. Except Eliza who started climbing by herself like a natural to the bewilderment and likely horror of the other ladies. Elizabeth Schuyler was a bamf okay?
Of course everyone knows by now, Angelica was married before Eliza. During the Winter’s Ball, she’d already eloped with Jack Carter aka John Barker Church and run away to Boston.
Their courtship was not that fast. Not like, weeks. More like months. Fun fact, Eliza is the only of the five (yes FIVE) Schuyler sisters who didn’t elope and actually got her parents permission! But here’s a heartbreaking fun fact: while Alex was courting Eliza, Laurens was taken prisoner and then on probation. He wasn’t allowed to leave the state of Pennsylvania. He was mentally in a very dark place. Alex kind of procrastinated telling Laurens about Eliza, didn’t say he was courting anyone until they were already engaged.
I can't leave this alone if I'm sad you have to be too. Alex was hella depressed during this time too. Of course he was a soldier so he couldn't see Eliza as much as he'd have liked. On top of that, he kept pushing for an exchange for John and kept getting rejected because they couldn't show preference for him. And then Laurens was sending him very few letters, of course, and the ones he did send were very depressed, even suicidal sounding. He had to work while dealing with that. He had to keep begging Eliza to write to him to be reassured that she still liked him.
No one could show up for Hamilton for the wedding. Some sources say fellow aide James McHenry showed up, but he’s the only one. Alexander even invited his deadbeat dad, offered to pay all his travel expenses and everything, guess how that turned out. So Eliza’s side of the hall was packed and his was empty. God, can you imagine how sad that is?
Another heartbreaking fun fact! John Laurens was out of probation and could have made it to the wedding, was invited (Hamilton, I kid you not, jokingly invited him to a threesome with his new wife in a letter: “I wish you were at liberty to transgress the bounds of Pensylvania. I would invite you after the fall to Albany to be witness to the final consummation.” (emphasis is original to Hamilton. As is the misspelling of Pennsylvania. Yes, seriously.)) and John did not go. Instead he went back to work trying to talk his way out of getting sent as an envoy to France and suggesting Alexander to take his place. You know. His boyfriend who just got married. Sure, he was right that Hamilton was better equipped for the job, but yknow. Another fun fact, one of the guys who voted for John to be the one to go to France was John’s ex-boyfriend Francis Kinloch. Who was a turncoat, and had been a royalist when he and Laurens split. How’s that for some twisty bullshit.
Sorry, this one isn’t about the musical, it’s a tangent, I just got excited about that quote. Both that style of innuendo and the misspelling of Pennsylvania are consistent in Hamilton’s writing. Listening to john-lauren’s podcast about the April 1779 letter can really help you understand how Hammy uses innuendo but also I just love listening to it it’s insightful and hilarious and I love John Laurens but y u do this and my heart hurts for Hamilton but he is also a ho but aNYWAY. As for Pensylvania...well, he kinda made that mistake on an important document. ...It’s The Constitution. He misspelled Pennsylvania on The Constitution. No big deal. Not like something that could haunt his legacy forever. Oh my god I’m so sorry.
Philip Schuyler did have sons. Five in fact. Two of them died pretty young though I think, considering there are three kids in a row named John Bradstreet Schuyler. The other two were named Philip Jeremiah and Rensselaer.
Laurens, Lafayette, and Mulligan were all married before Hamilton. Hercules Mulligan married Elizabeth Sanders in 1773. Lafayette married his beloved Adrienne in 1774. John Laurens was regretfully obliged to marry Martha Manning in 1776.
Sigh. Again with the misogyny. Anyway, I wanted to comment on the marriage as a loss of freedom. From what I can tell, Elizabeth helped Hercules with his spy work at home. John was literally fighting a war across the ocean from his wife, and probably having an illegal affair with Alexander (though to be fair to him, he was kind of running away from Martha because he didn't marry her for love, gosh, there are no winners here). Lafayette absolutely adored his wife but still was also fighting a war an ocean away, and had multiple affairs, at least one with his wife’s blessing. So yeah, losing your freedom with marriage? Bullshit.
Despite where it is in the musical and Eliza singing the beginning, Stay Alive is roughly about Valley Forge, which would be December of 1777 through June of 78. So before the ball and wedding. (Fun fact! A lot of people theorize Valley Forge as when Hamilton and Laurens’ relationship may have escalated into romantic and/or sexual territory. They may have had more privacy, as small temporary buildings were being made to better withstand the cold, and Hamilton was sick a lot during that time and did need tending a lot. West Indian boi did not like Northern winter.) But yeah, Congress being stupid and the army resorting to eating their horses sometimes and not being able to buy food and equipment? All true. It was a real bad winter.
Mulligan wouldn’t have to go back to New York, he never would have left. He remained there as a tailor and a spy throughout the war. He wouldn’t have been traveling with Washington.
Hamilton and Laurens didn't write essays so much as start working out John's battalion plan and writing letters trying to push for it.
This duel happened in 1778, so like. This timeline is so fucky.
Stay Alive makes it seem like Hamilton was the one who wanted to duel Lee, but it was 100% Laurens from the start. The off-Broadway version demonstrates it a bit better. Hamilton was Lauren's second to save his ass. Hamilton had a rough relationship with Washington, but Laurens admired him greatly and would have willingly defended his commander’s honor. John was a Good Boy who always bowed his head to his asshole father, even at first for his battalion plan, but John wouldn’t let even his father talk shit about Washington. Fun fact about this duel, Alex and John were late to the duel because they “got lost in the woods”. Oooookay. Suuuuuuure. And Baron von Steuben was straight. (Fact: Steuben was very gay and pretty much pushed out of Europe for it. And he actually also had challenged Lee! They talked things out before this.)
Aaron Burr was not Charles Lee’s second. His second was a Major Evan Edwards. Lin wanted a parallel with the final duel. To be fair, that was a really cool way to do it and I like it better that way.
Alexander Hamilton could NOT agree that duels are dumb and immature. He was in 10 duel challenges as a participant in his lifetime, 9 of which he was the challenger. One time he challenged two people at once. One time he challenged an entire politcal party apparently. No, I am not kidding. He had a bad day. And I think you know the one time he wasn’t the challenger.
Lee did not yield on the first shot, nor was Laurens satisfied. Lee was pretty much like, “It’s just a flesh wound!” and wanted to go another round and Laurens agreed, but Hamilton and Edwards managed to talk them down. Yes he was shot in the side. But that wasn’t all because Laurens absolutely roasted Lee at his court martial. 
Lee: Were you ever in an action before?
Laurens: I have been in several actions; I did not call that an action, as there was no action previous to the retreat. 
I love this man. So much. The sass of this man.
We don’t know if Washington was angry about the duel with Lee. We do know that Laurens, and probably Hamilton, had Christmas dinner with him two days later. When Hamilton left, it was because Washington had snapped over a misunderstanding (caused by Lafayette actually, and he really tried to make it better because Lafayette is a sweetheart), and then continued to deny Hamilton the command he requested, and he resigned. It was entirely unrelated to the duel and Laurens. However, the daddy issues are real.
I don’t know if Lafayette went to France for more funds and came back with more guns, but Laurens certainly did! Ben Franklin told him to chill, but he actually got super impatient and ended up supposedly disrespecting and maybe kinda threatening the court, demanding what he needed, and walking out. They were were kind of shocked and impressed into giving more than had been requested. Any existing deities bless John Laurens. I love him.
Lafayette actually nominated his own aide to lead the charge and Hamilton appealed for himself and Washington finally gave in to Hamilton.
Laurens was not in South Carolina. When he finally got back from France, he was sent to Yorktown. He actually was commanding the group Alexander led. (Power couple lol) He also helped with negotiations after the battle. Also, supposedly making the British play ‘The World Turned Upside Down’ on their way out was Laurens’ idea because boy is made of sass and spite.
Henry Laurens would not have sent a letter to Hamilton about John’s death. Even if he would have, he couldn’t. At that time, he’d been locked up in the Tower of London as a prisoner. We have no idea when or how Alexander found out, or who might have told him. We know he wrote to Nathanael Greene on October 25 and Lafayette on November 3 (literally 2 months after Laurens' death), and the mentions of Laurens were very short. It’s thought that he really couldn’t talk about Laurens. People have compared it to the stories of how Benjamin Tallmadge apparently couldn’t hear Nathan Hale’s name without crying.
After Yorktown Alexander resigned and John went down south to flush British troops out of the southern states. His group was ambushed at Combahee River and he decided to charge instead of wait for backup and he died. Many people think it was a combination of his usual recklessness, suicidality, and glory-seeking mixed with a desperation with the war coming to an end. It was such a small skirmish. He deserved better. He left his daughter, Frances, whom he had never met, orphaned, as her mother had died months earlier from sickness. She was adopted by John’s oldest younger sister, also coincidentally Martha Laurens (though married was Martha Laurens Ramsay).
The Levi Weeks case was years later than that, in 1800, though it was alongside Burr. Hamilton actually lost his first trial as a defense lawyer and was not with Burr.
The whole conversation where Hamilton proposes Burr help him write the Federalist Papers is fake. Lin made that up entirely.
John Church’s wealth kinda...varies. He was a gambler. At first, he was actually in quite a bit of debt. He did make it big eventually and he and Angelica moved to Europe. He really didn’t seem to be a lot of fun to most people, but Angelica eloped with him. She chose him against her father’s wishes. I don’t get why Lin kept writing lines saying she didn’t love him, at least at first. He also does this in the cut song Congratulations where she says “I languished in a loveless marriage” bish you eloped wat She also lived as a socialite and was adored by anyone who met her apparently, so like???? da fuq Lin. Didja really do Laurens dirty for these lies or at the very least uncertanties? Could you not prop up that romance without making her say she hates her husband?
Act 2
More of a personality miscommunication. Irl Thomas Jefferson was shy, quiet, and hypersensitive, nothing like how Daveed plays him. If you knew a guy like the real Jefferson in real life you might be endeared to him out of pity or because he seems sweet, but in the short time of a musical that would immediately be read as cold and unlikable. So the best way to portray “this guy is a likable asshole” is to make him loud and made of sass which is what Daveed does magnificently. So, not at all accurate to real Jefferson, but gets the concept of him across.
Thomas was not off getting high with the French. Probably. He was making negotiations for the Revolution. And abusing Sally Hemings (his, at the time, 14 year old slave, who was also his sister-in-law, and 30 years his junior, and was brought along to entertain his daughter). And actually probably chatting up with Angelica!
By the time Philip was 9, he had two sisters, Angelica (7) and his foster/adopted sister Frances Antill (6), but he also had two brothers already, Alexander Jr. (5) and James Alexander (3), with maybe another one on the way since William Stephen would be born next year.
The whole comma thing is backwards. It was Angelica who made the initial mistake. Hamilton pointedly and flirtatiously teased her about it before closing it with “Adieu ma chere, soeur” French for “Goodbye my dear, sister”. So it’s more playful and less lovey dovey in context, so the tone is all wrong. It’s not romantic, it’s teasing and snarky.
Say No To This feels like it’s over quick. The affair lasted a year, not just the summer Eliza was away.
Clermont Street wasn’t renamed until many years later.
I don’t know that Alex has always considered Burr a friend. Irl they weren’t as close, and Hamilton was keenly aware of how slimy Burr could be.
Lafayette was NOT fine. He was imprisoned a lot during the French Revolution, the poor man, and many members of his wife’s family were killed. HOWEVER! Hamilton was not just sitting by. Angelica and her husband did make an attempt to rescue Lafayette, and the Hamiltons fostered Lafayette’s son Georges Washington Lafayette (yes that was his actual name). So Hamilton also did not forget Lafayette.
Not all his defendants got acquitted, obviously. Stop being cocky, Ham.
People comment on how Jefferson whines about Hamilton’s fashion sense while literally dressed in violet velvet. The original plan was to have him in browns, but Daveed is just such a friggin star that they just had to give him something brighter and decided to go with a Prince-inspired look. Originally the browns were going to be representative of his supposed representation of farmers. Though note here: Jefferson’s agricultural representation is much the same as modern Republicans’ rural representation. More for show.
Actually, let's get political for a sec. I've done some research in my hyperfixation and in searches for Hamilton shiz I've ended up stumbling into far-right nonsense and I know how to recognize the degrees of nonsense from years of actually paying attention to it now because this is what I do apparently. Which is weird, right? Lin kinda portrays him like a lefty. Well, here's the thing. Any proud historically educated Republican will tell you that their roots are in the Federalist Party. Which is technically true. What they will neglect to mention is the flip between parties that happened when the Republicans decided to use southerners racism to their advantage in elections. Being subtly racist can get the racists and the non-racists on your side! Yeah, it's gross. Federalists are more like Democrats. The corporatists. They clearly care more about companies and Wall Street, but they put actual action into social progress on rare occasion. Democratic-Republicans are like Republicans, conservatives who don't want social change and rail against it and pretend they aren't for corporate interests while being just as bad as the other guys. But Republicans have a tendency to rewrite history to paint themselves as the good guys, or reclaim things that aren't theirs as their own. Just look at the Civil War! Or...literally just...America I guess. Yikes. But yeah, here's your warning. Don't just go looking at and trusting things labelled Federalist. It likely won't be friendly.
John Adams didn’t fire Hamilton, Hamilton left. Eventually. And this is not the only time this kind of verbal confrontation happens, and not the one that destroys the Federalist Party. That actually happens after the Reynolds Pamphlet. But John Adams hates Alexander Hamilton with the burning passion of a thousand suns and really kinda earns this.
I’m not sure if he specifically called Alex a Creole bastard but I wouldn’t be surprised, there were other similar racist and bastard-related insults. You know the tomcat thing mentioned above. He started the rumor of the affair with Angelica. He accused him of being a rake (male version of whore at the time). He also may have behind closed doors accused him of being a sodomite. His (probably gay) son Charles helped with that one, bringing back rumors from a dinner he had with Hamilton (who he was working for) and John Church because Church joked about Alex being fond of a guy. Adams probably thought working for Hamilton was what made his son gay and alcoholic (Charles was an alcoholic and may have died in part because of that; Hamilton was not an alcoholic, but he supposedly could not hold his drink. He was smol).
Jefferson, Madison, and Burr didn’t accuse Hamilton of speculation. It was James Monroe, Abraham Venable, and Frederick Muhlenberg. Lin wanted to keep consistent representation of the Democratic-Republican party. But anyway, the whole thing went to hell because Monroe sent the letters to Jefferson (or I’ve also heard Monroe gave them to Madison who sent them to Jefferson) who, the spiteful gangly fucker, started spreading rumors because fuck Hamilton, amirite? Hamilton challenged Monroe to a duel over that. And who stopped this duel? Aaron Burr. He gets to be the good guy now and then.
It wasn’t just total strangers that got Alex off the island. He was sponsored by his cousin Ann Lytton and his teacher Reverend Hugh Knox. Also, he was kind of expected to get an education and come back and help out the island...guess what he never did. Oops.
This one I may be wrong, but I’m pretty sure. I think Eliza was upstate with her family when the Reynolds Pamphlet was released, away from Alex. I also know she had recently given birth to their son, William Stephen. A lot of people think Alexander had been keeping that in mind. Eliza had had a miscarriage once before, when she was under a lot of stress and alone and with the kids and he had to be away (Whiskey Rebellion), so some people think he made sure she was surrounded by her family and waited until the child was born to drop this on her, and gave her distance from him if she needed it. At least he knew he fucked up, and he really did love her.
Those weren’t Alexander’s guns. They belonged to John Church.
It was quite some time between Philip’s challenge and the actual duel.
Another age miscommunication; Eacker was 27ish and Philip was 19 when the duel happened. There was a whole 8 years between them! 
Eacker didn’t shoot early. Actually, both of them stood staring at each other for a really long time doing nothing. But Philip went to make a move and Eacker shot him.
Alex and Eliza had made up from the Reynolds Pamphlet bullshit before Philip died. When he passed, Eliza was already pregnant with the son they would also name Philip in honor of his older brother.
Hamilton wasn’t really the deciding factor in the election of 1800. But he did say that about Burr and it did help swing the vote somewhat. But also, this was before Philip died. Philip died in 1801.
If a vote is that close, you can’t win in a landslide??? That’s not how words work???? Mister Miranda????? You are a writer??????? Sir???????
Burr actually held a term as Jefferson’s Vice President.
The Burr vs Hamilton Duel was in 1804 and was actually about another election and other things Hamilton was saying about him. Burr was running to be governor of New York and lost but heard about Alexander telling people the things he listed Alexander saying in Your Obedient Servant.
Thayne should not have played Alexander’s doctor. Sydney should have played Alexander’s doctor. Do you know why? Philip and Alexander had the same doctor when they died. Alexander took that doctor with him to the duel. His name was David Hosack.
While there’s evidence to suggest Burr experienced immediate regret (he stepped forward as if wanting to see if Hamilton was okay and supposedly asked after him and wished him well before Alexander passed) in the years that followed, until he was on his death bed, he expressed nothing but neutrality or even pride for having shot Hamilton. The ‘the world was wide enough’ comment could plausibly be entirely made up, and even if it were true, it was supposedly said toward the end of Burr’s life. Burr's life was quite a ride after Alex. He tried to make like his own empire out of Texas, and then of course was tried for treason, but he got out of that, but then everyone hated him for that ON TOP OF already hating him for killing Hamilton, so he had some crazy journey around Europe for a while. He kept a journal, writing entries like letters to Theo. The most notable things I think he writes he'd "been amused for an hour with a very handsome young Dane. Don't smile. It is a male!" which implies maybe Theodosia knew her dad was bi and was at least amused by it? And he spent a while living with Jeremy Bentham, who is generally accepted to have been gay (if you want more Burr gayness look into Jonathan Bellamy and Robert Troup. Troup knew Hamilton too!). Unrelated to his sexuality but I find it important, Burr spent, in modern cash, $40 on a coconut, in his own words, "like an ass." He returned to America eventually. I dont remember if it was before or after his foreign adventures, but his beloved grandson (also named Aaron Burr) died, and then not long after, Theodosia was lost at sea on her way to visit her dad. No one knows what happened to her. It's so sad. Anyway he married a wealthy widow named Eliza, spent all her money on charity, and died the day their divorce was finalized. And Eliza Jumel's divorce lawyer was Alexander Hamilton Jr..
Poor Eliza couldn’t go through all of her husband’s papers. Her son, John Church Hamilton, finished the work for her when she no longer could and put together the biography that inspired Chernow’s that inspired Lin’s musical. (He named a son Alexander and a daughter Elizabeth. He even named one of his sons Laurens! Aw.) And we have come full circle.
The End :33
There’s probably more but that’s what I’ve got. Thanks for reading!
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Mark Gagliardi (Voice of John Peters, yknow, the farmer) and Cecil Baldwin have known each other since they were kids??? And Symphony and Cecil talking about being in college and taking edibles and unknowingly walking into the countryside of Amsterdam???? And Symphony's story about a seagull stealing a scone out of Meg's hand??? And Hal's story about the woman with bread being chased by a hoard of seagulls??? And that photo Meg sent Kevin that got her her internship with the Neo Futurists??? And Meg saying she always looked up to Kevin???? I get so invested in these peoples lives and interactions with each other and i just!! They make me so happy.
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John yknow the farmer's imaginary corn
HJGBDHXHDB I love that you just You’re not asking me to draw John Peters, you know, the farmer You’re asking me to draw his corn His imaginary corn crop Anon please know that I appreciate you so much oh my god I will see if I can figure out how to draw nightvales cool invisible corn field because I genuinely love that and when I do it will be dedicated to you I will draw John Peters’ invisible (imaginary?? I don’t remember which is the correct descriptor) corn crop I swear to god
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scene118 · 4 years
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john peter [remember ? the pharmacist] and john peters [yknow the farmer] are like those husbands both named david 
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arthurtaylorlester · 2 years
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late wtnv live blog
spoilers ahead
I WANT TO BW A WTNV CHARACTER GIVE ME SO MONEY I NEED TO SUPPORT THIS PODCAST
bar jokes (GONE WRONG)
why was cecil speaking so fast
ASTRONOMY!
ASTROLOGY!
yo i love astronomy and comets
astronomers are wizards confirmed
CECIL PICK UP TGE PHONE
JOHN PETER YKNOW THE FARMER!!!!!!
why would you call cecil and not the secret police
sell ig his husband has done more for the town
wtf is shields and yarnel
SGDKSKFJ I HEARD P*RN FIELD AND HAD TO DO A DOUBLE TAKE
cecil you're such a good journalist <3
ghost CATS!!!!
THEY WOULD BE SO GOOD
THANKS FOR SPONSORING
fireworms??? like the ones from httyd
bitch pick up the phone
John Peters yknow the farmer did you know I love you please never change
corn vandals from NYC
grab ass??????????? wjat
I can't understand his accent that well
I love people interrupting cecil
"bye john" WHERE'S THE REST OF HIM
the way he said it was funny tho
New man?!?!??!!?
why did he say the same thing as ep 1 about scientists
cecil and joseph my beloved
joseph fink in night vale is so so gender
INTERN JOSEPH FINK
WELCOME TO NIGHT VALE!!!!
WHY IS HE GPING INSANE CECIL ARE YOU OKAY
MY GIRL IS REALSING HE ISNT REAL WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
I need the wtnv show in wtnv to be real nd I need cecil to be in it
annoyed cecil >>>>>>
murderous space kids
bloody corn reminds me suspiciously of smiling
HUNTOKAR
NO iTS THE SMILING GOD
THEYRE ALREADY OVERTAKING YGE TOWN WHAT
bajeebers is part of my vocab now
ciao
GOLDEN GLOW!?????
weather break
PICK UP THE FUCKING PHONE
YES ANGRY CECIL SLAY
bitch how did you not notice no pupils
SNAKE
AGIAN
NOOOOO JOHN PETERS YKNOW THE FARMER DONT FALL INTO THE CULT OF THE SMILING GOD
yo he's a really good story teller
NOOOOO NOT THE CORN
VOODOO???
snake gods = worm thing from it devours??
are they a species? because that one died it
DONT INSULT MY BF THE MOON
YEAAAAHHH ENTROPY
gnight yall
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The Day Night Vale Was Silent
June first was like any other Saturday. The sun rose as the day started. A gentle breeze blew across the sand. John Peters, yknow, the farmer, was out tending to his crops. Jackie Fierro was digging up the doors to her pawn shop. Former mayor Dana Cardinal was getting into her car to start driving circles around the city. The hooded figures in the dog park were starting to move around more.
The sunrise was loud, as always. It drew Carlos from a deep sleep. He blinked awake and squints as sunlight fell across his face. He turns to his left side, toward his sleeping husband. Cecil looked so peaceful in his sleep. He looked young. Carefree. His face was smooth and youthful, almost the exact same as the day Carlos met him at the bus stop. Some of his long blonde hair fell into his face and Carlos couldn't help the fond smile that crosses his face.
How did he get so lucky? How did such a beautiful man fall head over heels for him? His years in Night Vale have been the best and weirdest years of his life.
Slow movement in the corner of his eye caught Carlos's attention. He brings his hand up and studies the small fish doing slow small circles on his hand.
"Tic Tac? What are you doin?" He asks, turning his hand. He then looks back over at Cecil. He looks closer, noticing the other man's lips. They had a slight purple tint to them. Carlos jerks upright. "Cecil?" Something was wrong. Very wrong.
Carlos reaches over and touches Cecil's cheek. Cecil was cold. Not chilly, but ice cold. "Cecil?" Carlos was close to panicking now. "Cecil wake up!"
He puts his fingers on Cecil's lips, feeling for breath. There was none. He rolls Cecil onto his back. He feels for a heart beat, begging under his breath. "Please….please….don't leave me Ceec. I'm not ready yet. I'm not ready!" His voice cracks. "Please…"
He got no response, scaring him more. Scrambling out of the bed, he reached for his glasses and then his phone. He called the first number to come to mind. Earl Harlan.
Earl picks up on the third ring. "Carlos?" The Scoutmaster's voice was full of confusion. "Why are you up so early on a Saturday?"
"Earl. Please. Can you come over?"
"Is something wrong?"
"I don't know." Carlos's voice cracked again. "Please Earl. Can you come check on him?"
"Carlos. Tell me what's happening." Earl gets up and starts looking for clothes.
"He's cold. And-and he isn't breathing and Tic Tac won't go back...oh god…. What if…" Carlos couldn't finish the sentence but he was sure Earl understood.
"No." Earl's voice started to shake. "I don't want to go there. Make no assumptions. Okay?"
"I can't lose him Earl. I'm not ready yet." Carlos pauses. "I have to call Michael. Oh god…..this is going to break him."
"Carlos…."
Carlos puts a hand over his face, feeling himself fall apart. The universe had a wicked sense of humor taking Cecil from him on the very day they met.
"I'll be there in six minutes."
"Don't hang up. I don't…..don't.....i don't know what I'll do if I'm left to myself."
"I'm not going anywhere."
Carlos looks back at Cecil and feels his heart break all over again. He reaches over and takes Cecil's icy hand in his own and kisses the knuckle.
"I love you." He says softly. No answer. He would never get an answer again.
Earl got there exactly six minutes later. He had his own key so Carlos didn't have to move from his spot on the bed.
"Carlos?" He calls, moving down the hall. Earl pushed into the master bedroom. Carlos say on the bed, cross legged and holding Cecil's hand tightly. He looks up when the door opens.
"Earl." Carlos croaks, prying his eyes open. He gives a sad look and shakes his head.
"No." Earl's jaw tightens. "No. No. No no no."
"Earl-" Carlos's voice breaks. He couldn't speak any more. He just covers his mouth and sobs loudly. "I c-i can't Earl."
Earl feels his rislove crack. "We should get him to the angels. I will and you need to call Michael."
"Don't leave me alone yet. I'm not ready." Carlos begs. "You are the only one keeping me from killing myself right now." He says softly.
Earl sits down beside Carlos and hugs him. "Cecil wants you to live yknow. That's why he left you here instead of taking you with him." He tried. "This town isn't ready to lose you yet."
"They'd be fine without me. They need Cecil." Carlos pauses. "What's going to happen now that he's gone?
“I...I don’t know. I don’t know. I don’t have an answer this time.”  Earl say softly. It hadn’t really hit him just yet. Then he covers his face with his hands and lets out a loud sob that shook his whole body.
Carlos clings to Earl’s arm. “He isn’t supposed to die. It’s not fair. Cecil isn’t the one who is supposed to die. Cecil goes through so much without a scratch. He isn’t supposed to die!”
"I know." Earl says in a broken whisper. "I didn't think it was possible."
"He's really gone…."
“We have…..we have to let everyone know.”
“Just tell Pamela. She will make sure everyone knows.” Carlos mumbled, his sobs turning into soft gasps and shudders. He feels numb. He wants to die. He wants to be with Cecil. He wants-
“Carlos….” Earl chokes again. “We-We have to keep the town together. They need you to-”
“I can’t do that Earl!” Carlos snapped. He sits up straight. “I’m not as strong as Cecil or as put together as he’d be in this situation. I’m not from here. I can’t take death in stride like you people can!”
“You think I’m taking this in stride?” Earl asks slowly. “My best friend is dead right next to me! I’ve known Cecil probably longer than you’ve been alive so don’t give me that. I get that my relationship wasn’t as...deep or whatever as yours was, but we were damn close. I love him.” There’s a pause. “And if the situations were reversed, Cecil would be worse off than you are now. You are one of the strongest people I know. The last time Cecil lost someone he loved, he nearly drove himself insane with grief.”
“I’m sorry…” Carlos whispers. “I’m...oh god. Dana...and Maureen…..Even Kevin...We have to tell them all.”
“First you need to tell your son Carlos. He needs to know.”
Carlos takes a deep breath. “I know. Will….will you get him to the angels? I don’t think I can…”
“I’ll take care of it. Call Michael.”
Carlos stumbles out of the bed and out to the front porch. He calls the second number on his speed dial. It rings twice before it was picked up. Before Michael could get a word out, Carlos cut him off.
“Michael...Can you come home? I know it's not the break yet but...please. You need to come home.”
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“Oh! Listeners, we are getting a call!” Kevin beams as he looks at the screen of his cell phone. “It’s from Carlos! You guys remember the scientist who visited a few years ago right? He did leave rather rudely though…..Let’s see what he is up to shall we?”  He answers the call and puts it on speaker. “Hello Carlos! You’re on the air! How can I help you?”
“Kevin..” The voice on the other end of the line was rough. He sounded sad.
“Carlos? You sound sad. A frown does not look good on a pretty face~ I’m sure Cecil agrees-”
“Cecil is dead.”
Kevin goes silent. He frowned. He didn’t like those words. “What...what do you mean?”
“He-” Carlos takes a deep breath. “He went to sleep and didn’t wake up.”
Kevin felt cold. He felt…..sad. Sadness was an emotion he was not used to. He hated this emotion. “But that can’t be.” Can it?
“I’m sorry you had to find out this way Kevin.”
There is silence from both ends. Then Carlos spoke again.
“Will you come to the service? I would like it if you did.”
“I will.” Kevin promises quietly. “I have...I have to go. I will see you soon.”
Kevin hangs up without waiting for a goodbye. He looks back at his microphone and folds his arms around himself. “I have to go listeners. I’m sorry to leave you so abruptly. But before I leave you, I must say; Cecil Palmer may not have liked me. But I liked him and I knew he was a good person. I believe we could have been friends maybe. But he’s gone now and I’ll never know…..I don’t like this feeling listeners. I have to go.”
He turns off the equipment and lays down his headphones. He then stands and walks in a haze to the office at the end of the hall. He knocks twice.
“Enter.”
Kevin pushes the door open. “I need a therapy session. As soon as possible please.”
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Everyone saying "Hawk; yknow the leader of PatrolClan" has the same energy as "John Peters (yknow the farmer?)" And I'm actually dead cause guys c'mon;; we all know who they are ffs
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trainwreckisawreck · 2 years
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John Peters, Yknow, The Farmer
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