#john and paul and Jim

[eloeloanna]

Hi there!

Thank you for all your dedication to reading. 💖💖🙏 If you allow me to ask once again, I'd like to going back a little further in time just to understand a bit...

Considering that they both initially weren't big fans of this friendship between our little doves, but soon accepted the reality of their obvious "friendship"... What did Aunt Mimi and Father Jim think about them? Did they just not like their relationship because of the rock n' roll rebellion or was there an additional fear, if you know what I mean? 🌚

Thank again =D

Awwww thank you for trusting me these questions! Also, sorry for taking so much time, but I’ve been stuck in a very interesting (and tiring!) project.

So, to answer the questions I divided them in two.

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What did Mimi think about John and Paul?

I think at the beginning, Mimi thought about having a lot of patience with them. She didn’t like what she saw, but tried her best to remain calm. I think it all suddenly changed, and when she saw Paul, she thought that he was fake as fuck 🤣😭. I think for her, Paul was someone that was near John just because of his status (how popular he was and how much money he had) and John wasn’t aware of that at all. She also thought that John was losing himself in this relationship, also “losing” in the sense that Paul was actually a social climber. So the truth was that for her it was mostly about class. How it was even possible that they were friends? They were doing all kinds of stupid shit 🤣, how it was even possible?! I think it had to pass some time until she saw how they actually started something very beautiful (for me, this is about the band). Was it something that she liked? No. She obviously also realised how much money they were doing together. So that “soften up” her view into the relationship. She in this part in the timeline could see how the things were very different, how they weren’t just the stupid children doing stupid stuff, they now were evolved, John had clearly lots of affection for Paul and Paul had lots of affection for John. They seemed good together.

I think Mimi suspected of something going on but she never wanted to believe it. It was like it was there and it wasn’t. So I think she rejected them more in the beginning because it was a class thing.

What did Jim think about John and Paul?

I think Jim since the beginning acted very tough with them, but it was because this relationship was something that he thought was doomed from the start. It was like suddenly Paul was very happy, like out of nowhere. So that was very suspicious.

But Jim saw how they were actually very lovely, it was like he tried very hard to choose his words and actions because of that. They were so tender with each other. But there was an issue that he couldn’t ignore and it was money matters. He knew that because of that, this relationship wasn’t going to last. So he actually thought that was doing the right thing when he tried to persuade Paul to get out of there. He really thought it was for the best. I think it was very hard for him when Paul actually chose to do other things, when he purposely chose to be around John, it was like he felt he was a failure as a parent. It was like he couldn’t stand knowing that Paul was doing all those kind of things (rocking, partying, drinking, etc), how he was obtaining money. What was Paul actually doing? I think he could see how strong the partnership was, but was kind of resentful. Everything that he worked for turned into THAT.

I asked if he suspected that something more happened and I think he did. What the cards are showing me is disappointment. It is the feeling of “what did I do wrong for this to happen?”. Very interesting energy.

[ringosmistress]

[certainlyathrill]

is this anything beatle people?

[pierppasolini]

Trick (1999) // dir. Jim Fall

[cheesenchalk]

i never know how to phrase it but something about the way beatles biographers and people in general view paul's reflexive placating persona and determination to smooth things over as manipulative or duplicitous and john's reflexive barbed persona and habit of lashing out as brave and subversive despite both being equally defensive mechanisms to shield themselves from the world that resulted in them saying things that weren't true says more about how we culturally view kindness or friendliness as inherently untrustworthy or flimsy and anger and carelessness as more believable as someone's true nature than it says about either of them in actuality

[m1ssunderstanding]

The Psychology of Paul McCartney in Quotes

I think I'll go ahead and post these as they are and invite people to please send in quotes that you think might add something to these because I know they're definitely not complete! Or if you have other Paul Issues TM that you think I should do a compilation on let me know!

As it stands, the docs have the quotes organized chronologically so they tell a story. Some quotes made it into more than one doc because there is a lot of overlap, but I tried to keep it as organized as possible. I think it's pretty head-spinning reading some of these things in the order that they are. It makes him make more sense to me.

[prettybabyimblue]

[designfiend]

International Times (February 1970)

it's interesting to see this 53 years later

[princess-lvcifer]

Me every time I remember all the talented rockstars that died too young:

[creepynostalgy]

The Texas Chain Saw Massacre - 16mm scan (1974)

[paulandjohn]

John’s Birthday + Paul & Nancy’s Wedding Anniversary (Reddit)

Can’t believe I only just found out about this today (😭)

Screenshot from the article (of course Paul would deny it 🙄)

A funny comment at the end lol

[wwprice1]

10 kick ass Wolverine covers for your Sunday night!

[korniniowa]

Intro Post. This account is merely for my interests in bands! That means I’ll post whatever music I’m into! I will not post constantly, but I’ll be frequent!!

Bands I’m currently into: Slipknot, Korn, Limp Bizkit, My Chemical Romance, etc.

I will post about every single band member of any band I like, so look out for that.

Also, I will try and post dates if I have them. If I don’t I won’t put them there.

My main is @c2fart !! I post art there.

[pierppasolini]

Trick (1999) // dir. Jim Fall

[m1ssunderstanding]

I love how you are always bashing Jim lol bc I think the general public and fandom doesn't know that much about this part of Paul that is so essential to explain what he is like he is aksjks (ik it's because Paul himself doesn't like to talk about this). Also his struggling for money is so relatable like I get young Paul so bad, thanks for ur posts I learned this about him, keep doing the good job dear<3

lmao the thing is I agree with you. Like I get that I'm annoying and obsessive and some people are probably like "we knoooowww!" But most of the fandom doesn't, and definitely the general public does not know. Yes, this is partly because Paul compulsively does whatever the opposite of trauma dumping is. Trauma hoarding? Which even that behavior is in itself rooted in the abuse. It's also partly because Paul's messy childhood just does not fit into the typical narrative, and people's brains don't like it, so they ignore or justify it. People, especially boomers, really like "tortured soul Lennon" and "vapid popstar McCartney". But the reality is "be as loud as you can to get your needs met John Lennon" and "be as pleasant as you can to be safe Paul Mccartney". So it's really important to me that the next generation of Beatles fans knows the story and tells it correctly.

You and me are the saaaame! I actually think just like we need more women writing about the Beatles, and more queer perspectives on the Beatles, etc. we definitely need more working-class people who can look at this stuff with an understanding of the impact "not having" can have on a person. With Paul it literally seeps into so much of him that to someone who doesn't get it doesn't look like it has anything to do with money. But it absolutely does! And the thing is, a lot of them don't even get the most obvious things. Like "Paul is a tight-wad" or "Paul is a workaholic" to them are just flat statements with nothing to look at underneath them at all. And if they can't even think critically about those things, they're nowhere near understanding the complexities of things like how big a deal it is when someone like Paul is able to decide "no, fuck the critics, I'm going to make songs people like." Or how his life experiences might have made him either racist or anti racist and the conscious choice he must've made. You know. On and on.

Anyway! Lol you send me an ask on my favorite topics and I'm going to go on a bit. Akom recently said we should all write books and definitely if I was going to -- not that I have time -- it would be on one of these things. The Beatles and attachment theory or The Beatles and class. But yeah, I seriously appreciate this ask, it's very fun to hear from a like-minded person!

[musicmags]