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maladaptations · 1 year ago
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the epistemology of ignorance
"omg you're an arab CHRISTIAN??!?" girl where do you think jesus and his bois were from?? fuckin new jersey?
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queenlucythevaliant · 1 year ago
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We see him come and know him ours
Russia: "Carol of the Russian Children," traditional // Kenya: The Nativity, Elima Njau // France: "Bring a Torch, Jeanette Isabella," Nicolas Saboly // Haiti: Madonna and Child, Ismael Saincilus // Australia: "The Three Drovers," William James // China: Tryptic by Lu Hongnian // Canadian/Algonquian: "Huron Carol," Jean de Brébeuf
#the visual depictions are lovely#but what really gets me every time are the little cultural details in the music#music that tells the story of the Nativity while placing it in a world that's familiar to the listener#fur robed moujiks on snowboard plateaus in place of middle eastern shepherds#bark lodges instead of stables and rabbit skin in place of swaddling clothes#wandering hunter and chiefs from far off places instead of shepherds and wise men (man i love the Huron Carol)#and little french girls running to gather the village to come see Jesus#it's easy for an excess of historical concern to make Jesus feel distant and far off#/I know/ that Jesus was born in the ancient near east and have had my fill of books and sermons and the like unpacking the implications#I've laughed with my friends and family at the wild inaccuracies of Nativity sets and tellings#the crazy blonde mary in the kids nativity set at Walmart#what is that alpaca doing at the living Nativity don't they know those are south American?#yada yada#and then i look at these carols and think. it's okay not to get mired in the history. good even#yes Jesus entered into time and space in a very specific manner#but he also came for all of us#as another carol says: we see him come and know him ours#i just think this practice is lovely#that the impact of the Incarnation was such that it send little french girls running to their villages#and drew algonquin hunters and russian peasants to the manger to see him#it's the great crowd of witnesses in a way#all of us together preparing him room throughout all the corners of the earth#in Bethlehem that night it was only the shepherds who got to see him#but in spirit it was all of us#because it's just like the angel said:#good news of great joy which will be to all people#to all people#starting with the shepherds and going out to all the earth#unto us a child is born#intertextuality
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ceasarslegion · 1 year ago
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The leftism leaving peoples bodies when you tell them that literal terrorist organizations arent the good guys just because theyre against a bad guy
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a-boat-on-the-sea · 3 months ago
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Jesus was a brown-skinned, Middle Eastern man, who spent his early childhood as a refugee. He spent his life telling people to give all their belongings to the poor. If he knocked on the door of many Republicans, they would get one of their guns and shoot him in the face.
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theladyregret · 1 year ago
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I once got an art commission for art that would be on a church pamphlet and…words cannot accurately express how uncomfortable my pagan ass was trying to ask this black minister…what color skin he wanted Jesus to have…
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assiraphales · 8 days ago
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actually one of the ironies of living in christofascist 2025 america is that bible thumpers finally got what they wanted. atheists and agnostics are embracing the teachings of jesus christ in troves. there’s a guy on tik tok reading bible verses and ripping them out if maga christians aren’t following them. I’ve seen dozens of videos being like “well it says right here that jesus said it was really difficult to get into heaven if you’re rich bc it’s your moral obligation to help poor people” “jesus fed the homeless” “jesus was a working class middle eastern man you would have called woke and tried to deport” “jesus taught empathy, to be kind to your neighbor, to show compassion for the less unfortunate, to not judge.” I’ve even seen full on non believers calling trump the antichrist and citing THEIR book.
they really wanted us so bad. well here we are!
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flagellant · 7 months ago
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How To Be Native American: Five Tips To Acknowledging The Indian In You!
Wonder why you're writing this. Debate with yourself about the form and the function. By making a performance out of your criticism of the inherent performativity of being a white-passing Native, is that denying or adding to the power imbalance that actually white people already have over your life, your identity, your culture? Ponder blood quantum for the seventh time today and really just sit down and ask yourself, "Is this going to be the metaphor that justifies my existence within my culture to white strangers online?" Accept it probably won't be and write this inadvisably anyway. They weren't ever going to get it anyway, but for once, this isn't about them.
Do your research! Take your knowledge and academize it. If you can't cite your sources when you try and explain why this privilege is killing you, are you really a victim of genocide? Or are you just 1/16th Cherokee Princess? FUN FACT: So many people are "Pretendians" that anthropological scholars are trying to examine the psychology behind why! You know why, of course. They feel so alienated from their culture as settlers that they cling to whatever they can, like mud on a duck's bill, steadily reshaping Turtle Island in their image. Remember that by criticizing Pretendians you simply give people more reason to assume you're one. Pretend this is fine.
Read Braiding Sweetgrass again. It won't help, but the words are familiar enough by this point that you can start the grief process a full three chapters ahead of the words you're thinking in your head. Wonder if this is all you'll ever get to have: Stories of dead grandmothers and dead strawberries and dead nations, bones piled upon bones with none of the nitrogen fixing jack shit. Think about how you have never gotten to braid sweetgrass with someone who understands who and what you are. Reread the last few sentences because your tears have blurred the ink so badly at this point it's like trying to be fluent in a language no one will teach you.
Brush your hair out, because you have gingery ringlets rather than sleek, thick flint. Your name is Red Fox Jesus Man and you've only got a little bit of a complex about it. Think about how, when people claim you look like Jesus, they aren't talking about the Middle Eastern Jew, they're talking about the Italian. You aren't even a little bit fucking Italian. Microaggressions are a form of racial validation, right? Especially if they aren't intended to be, right?
Light a candle for your dead grandfather. None of his stories got passed down onto you or your mother or your father. Maybe none of your great-great-grandfather's stories got passed down to him either. This is a comfort, in a selfish, self-destructive way. If you don't know the names of the teachers in the Mission your people were sent to, that is a sort of pyrrhic victory. Not a meaningful one, but scraps will fill your stomach if you settle for enough of them.
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tanoraqui · 8 months ago
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Dungeon Meshi Liveblog: Golems, Orcs, & loser party that got TPKed by bugs (<3)
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He's so competent, I love him. I really appreciate that post pointing out that this whole party is pretty near the top of the game in terms of genuine competency at adventuring. It's hard to tell when we rarely see other adventurers.
Just a few pages later, Senshi seamlessly takes out 3 golems on his own!
Water fountain shaped like a lion head!
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Senshi has just been single-handedly keeping the dungeon from getting so dangerous that the Elves get to bully their way in, huh. Do you think dungeon experts have been wondering what's taking so long, and will one day find out that it's this one weird dwarf. I hope so.
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I like the dragon being so goat-like.
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HUZZAH!
Side note: I think an ideal live action Senshi would be played by Nick Offerman.
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Marcille and the orc chieftain fighting while Senshi pointedly makes bread gives me such "The Last Supper" vibes - that is, the song in Jesus Christ Superstar. Two people having an increasingly vicious argument over dinner while everyone else in the room says increasingly loudly, "Wow, this food is great!!"
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HEY LOOK THE NEXT CHAPTER STARTS WITH MY MAN!!
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I'm sure this isn't novel analysis but man I like how directly Kabru's party mirrors the original Touden party. (Side note: I wish each party had a name that wasn't just the name of the party leader...)
Toudens':
6 members
3 fighters (Laiois, Shuro, Namari)
2 mages, 1 for damage (Marcille) and 1 for healing (Falin)
1 lockpick (Chilchuck)
2 long-lived (1 dwarf, 1 elf)
4 short-lived (3 humans, 1 halffoot)
3 men, 3 women
4 tall, 2 short
1 Easterner
leader is a mall tallman fighter
lockpick is halffoot
1 mage is tallman, 1 is long-lived magic-heavy race
1 fighter is a dwarf
Kabru's:
6 members
3 fighters (Kabru, Kuro, Daya)
2 mages, 1 for damage (Rin) & 1 for healing (Holm)
1 lockpick (Mickbell)
2 long-lived (1 dwarf, 1 gnome)
4 short-lived (2 humans, 1 halffoot, 1 kobold)
4 men, 2 women
3 tall, 3 short
1 Easterner
leader is a male tallman fighter
lockpick is halffoot
1 mage is tallman, 1 is long-lived magic-heavy race
1 fighter is a dwarf
A) it's obviously a solid party composition in terms of classes, and playing into D&D stereotypes (born of Middle Earth, as many D&D stereotypes are) of correlations between PC race and class.
B) Ryoko Kui was like, "There are going to be PARALLELS in this story and you are going to APPRECIATE THEM", and she was so goddamn right. Subtle themes are great but you know what's even better? Like 5 different really overt themes that are all happening all the time and interweave so constantly that subtlety is created in the infinite nuances of overlap. Eat or be eaten and to eat is to live is to want and understanding is compassion but it's also violence and we're all incredibly different and we're all incredibly the same and we're all trying to eat or be eaten in an elaborately connected web of life, and--
I want an orchestral arrangement of this story.
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I'm not carefully counting all winged lion motifs but I AM going to count the number of Kabru Winks(TM). We're at 3 in this chapter.
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EXQUISITE SMASH CUT
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pastelalleycat · 2 months ago
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There's a genuine concern about Christian nationalism here in the States with Trump most likely entering office in 2025 and the agendas the Republican party has. Several states are legally requiring the Ten Commandments to be hung up in classrooms, Bible stories to be taught in classes, PragerU curriculums to be utilized. Our country's children- and us- are going to be endrenched in Christian ideology beyond any cultural norms we've ever seen, and we need to be vigilant about who we're getting our information from and putting our trust in.
To be clear, I do NOT think all Christians are Christian nationalists, nor are all Christians the bad guys. Liberal and non-Trumpie Christians are our allies. The kind of Christianity I'm talking about here is Evangelical Christianity- the kind that commands sharing your religion with other people so they don't go to Hell, giving up control of your personhood in favor of what the Bible teaches and church believes.
Thankfully, Evangelical Christianity has a lot of special lingo, and they love to cycle through the same talking points. This isn't some mystery we know nothing about- this is something, like anything else, we can use critical thinking to track and reason through. As a former Evangelical Christian living in the Bible Belt, here's some buzz points you're going to want to be aware of. Please feel free to add on if I missed anything, or correct me if I got anything wrong.
Phrases
Calling the Bible:
the Word (of God / God's word)
the Gospel (of Jesus)
The Scripture(s)
The Word / Gospel according to [book name]
Calling God:
Yahweh (my apologies to Jews for writing out the full name. I wish I didn't have to. There's been a rise lately in Evangelicals saying it, unaltered, and it's extremely rude to y'all.)
King Jesus
(the) Lord / Lord God / the Lord our God
(Heavenly) Father / Father in Heaven
(the) Savior
About the world:
We live in a fallen/broken world / there is so much sin around us
We can't trust our feelings / we can only trust God's word
We can do nothing apart from God
We must humble ourselves before God
We need Godly leaders in this country / we need God to lead this country
God works in mysterious ways
We need to say "Merry Christmas" more (not joking)
Wars and rumors of wars (this pertains to the end times as described in Revelation)
Topics
LGBTQ+ issues:
"Homosexuality"
"Transgenderism" (the 'ism' is important)
"Pornography"
"One man, one woman"
"God's picture of marriage [heterosexuality]"
"Family values"
"Sodomy"
"An abomination"
Abortion issues:
"Pro-life"
Pro-choice people called "pro-death" or "pro-murder"
"Sanctity / protection of life / the unborn"
"The choice of life"
Women framed as childbearers, mothers, and wives, generally given little worth otherwise
Immigration issues:
"Border security"
"Protecting our society"
"Drug crisis" (which to be fair is a problem, but not the whole of this issue)
Emphasizing Arab / Middle-Eastern immigrants as particularly dangerous
Emphasizing Hispanic immigrants as dangerous
Israel
'The Holy Land'
'God's chosen people'
"Zion"
"The birthplace of Jesus"
"Persecuted"
Empahsizing right to "self-defense"
General topics:
Humility
Modesty (pride dress, sexuality)
Sexual immorality
Sin
Trusting God / not trusting own feelings
Preparation for end times (imminent or mysterious timing depending on who you ask)
"Protecting children"
"Family values"
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livmightlive · 1 month ago
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okay I apologize to any Christians, I hope this isn’t offensive but I can’t stop thinking about it 😭
so you know how Christianity is semi-canon in the downfall timeline? Yeah- how would that work???
Christianity exists on Earth because of a long and complicated collision of history and pagan stories and then the death and resurrection of Jesus, a Jewish middle eastern man who was trying to defend his people against Roman oppressors. i know reasonably that Nintendo might’ve not expected that the Zelda series would take off so much so they probably put in some Christian iconology bc the Catholic aesthetic is kind of popular in Japan. It shows up a lot in anime too.
but now there’s a canon religion the series follows with a couple of goddess 😭
my only reasoning is that the Hyrule Christians believe that God is all powerful and that maybe Hylia, Din, Farore, Nayru are either angels or saints? More Catholic I guess
and maybe the hero of Time would be a Jesus figure?? His birth COULD be immaculate, we don’t know his parents. maybe Christianity comes from Calatia? Hylia I think only focuses on Hyrule??
in the Linked Universe I don’t personally head canon Hyrule or Legend to be catholic BUT. I think it would be really funny if they were
Legend calling Hylia a false prophet 😭
Hyrule holding up his cross like: “I prayed to God and now I can see moas”
If Time is downfall Jesus I think they would both probably have a spiritual crisis depending on how devout they both are 😭
also Legend just REALLY gives me Catholic guilt vibes.
When I was a kid my grandmother would have me recite the “Now I Lay Me Down To Sleep” prayer which terrified me as a kid 😮‍💨 I feel like Hyrule would recite it every night and it would kind of just unsettle the chain.
PLEASE. Please tell me if anybody has thought the same or has thoughts on how it would work. This has been plaguing my mind
I’m sorry Christians
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hero-israel · 6 months ago
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A few months ago I saw a few lgbt horrified at everyone ignoring Hamas members saying that “once we destroy Isreal we will cleanse the area of the degenerate homosexuals!”, a few weeks ago I saw a whole bunch of Venezuelans being shocked and betrayed at how many pro-pali’s criticizing them for taking away attention from Gaza (point blank telling them Palestinian lives are more important), followed by a bunch of Ukrainians showing solidarity with Venezuelans for having the exact same think happen to them once Palestine became more important. And now I’m currently watching major Pro-Palestinian accounts tank their relationships with black people. And not just black Americans, Congolese people are coming out of the woodwork now that people are finally willing to listen to them to express frustration that what is happening to them is always a token at the end of posts about Gaza. Add in Christian groups sick of Pro-pali’s co-opting Jesus, Syrians and Yemenis tired of seeing their tragedies used as propaganda, and non middle easterners in general wondering why they should get dragged into the conflict, and we are certainly heading in a directional I didn’t think we would for another few years. But man these online “activists” sure are making fast work at exhausting all their friendships.
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maybebi47 · 1 year ago
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this is silly i know, but sometimes i think about how brennan lee mulligan portrayed Jesus in The Unsleeping City s2
"a young handsome middle eastern man"
the way Jesus greets sofia lee with "happy holidays" on christmas, the way he said he was spending the holidays with as many people as possible, the fact that he just walks up to people and checks in with them and makes sure they're not cold or alone, the fact that he works as a union carpenter in newyork city, the fact that he tells sofia that her husband that she lost still has love for her even after death, the way he is so warm...
it makes me emotional, i wish people knew that this is how jesus was, just a sweet kind palestinian man who took care of people, ya know?
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pjharvey · 3 days ago
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abt 20% of jesus paintings here are like yes good. that is a middle eastern jewish man. and about 80% of them are like this is a swedish guy named björn.
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anamericangirl · 11 months ago
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Hi, you are aware 99% of ppl condemning the colonizers are also condemning past colonization yes?
I condem the settler state of Israel. i conem them for what they have done to Palestine,i condem them for how they treat holocaust survivors.
I condem them for using the genocide of their ppl as a reason to cause genocide.
I condemn them for Bombing hospitals full of the sick elderly frail and young. Saying that a building AT OR BELOW SEA LEVEL can have tunnels. (Fun facts we all have “tunnels” it’s called SEWWERS)
You know that they have indiscriminately killed off some of the oldest CHRISTIAN bloodlines yes? Because your savior, the prophet son of god, Jesus was a Palestinian. A middle eastern man. So Ofcourse his first followers, and their descendants would be living in Palestine.
Jews and Muslims and Christians lived and coexisted in PEACE for millennia. And then Israel was formed as a way to get rid of the Jews from Europe in a “humane” manor. As a way to put a western agenda in the Middle East.
I condemn what Jesus would condemn.
And this is not to say I’m gungho Hamas. But if you were constantly being curb stomed. Killed starved imprisoned. You too would get to a point where you would consider violence.
It's amazing how you guys manage to get literally every single fact wrong. It's ok not to know things or not even to know everything, but to know nothing about a cause you are advocating for? And more than that, every single claim you make is false? That's inexcusable.
"I condem the settler state of Israel."
They aren't a settler state. You don't know what a settler state is so you should not use that term until you can do so correctly.
"i conem them for what they have done to Palestine."
What have they done?
"i condem them for how they treat holocaust survivors"
How do you think they treat them?
"I condem them for using the genocide of their ppl as a reason to cause genocide"
You are a massive fucking hypocrite. You acknowledge their people are under threat of genocide without condemning Hamas for trying to genocide them and then you condemn Israel for a genocide they aren't even guilty of.
They are not causing genocide and you're pretty rotten to condemn them for a genocide that's not happening while you refuse to condemn the genocide that you admitted was being attempted.
But I guess you don't care when it's a genocide of Jews, huh?
"I condemn them for Bombing hospitals full of the sick elderly frail and young"
They didn't do that you moron. Hamas, the terrorists you simp for, LIED. That is a verifiable fact.
"Saying that a building AT OR BELOW SEA LEVEL can have tunnels"
lmao glad to see you condemn Israel for this but not Hamas for lying, attempting genocide or using children as human shields you ignorant little terrorist apologist.
"You know that they have indiscriminately killed off some of the oldest CHRISTIAN bloodlines yes."
Prove it.
"Because your savior, the prophet son of god, Jesus was a Palestinian. A middle eastern man. So Ofcourse his first followers, and their descendants would be living in Palestine."
Jesus wasn't Palestinian you ignoramus. Palestine didn't exist. Jesus was a Jew.
"Jews and Muslims and Christians lived and coexisted in PEACE for millennia"
That's bullshit. Muslims have been starting wars with Jews and Christians since they came into existence.
"And then Israel was formed as a way to get rid of the Jews from Europe in a “humane” manor. As a way to put a western agenda in the Middle East."
Again, that's bullshit.
"I condemn what Jesus would condemn."
You don't condemn what Jesus would condemn because you're lying about a country and people under attack and supporting their genocide and Jesus wouldn't do that. Don't use the name of Jesus to try and justify your filth and lies. That's blasphemy.
"And this is not to say I’m gungho Hamas. But if you were constantly being curb stomed. Killed starved imprisoned. You too would get to a point where you would consider violence."
You are gungho Hamas. Everything you accuse Israel of doing to them they have done to Israel and you justify their unjustifiable violence and then lie about Israel. What Hamas does to Israel on the daily is magnitudes worse than anything Israel has ever done so shame on you for standing behind them and lying about Israel to justify the slaughter of Jews. Hamas is lucky to have a moron like you at their disposal to spread their lies and anti-semitism for them.
If Hitler was alive right now you'd be kissing his ass too.
You got nothing right. You are a liar. You are just a nasty, repulsive person who hates Jews and supports terrorism and genocide.
So, from the bottom of my heart, fuck you.
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moonbeamdagger · 3 days ago
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jesus was a middle eastern jewish man born to an unmarried teen mom, a refugee, queer, flipped tables at people using the temple as a cover for a quick profit, and regularly hung out with prostitutes. btw.
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matan4il · 1 year ago
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It's very interesting that anti-Zionists claim to be "anti-colonial" given the arguments I routinely see them use against Jews. For years, I've seen them use full scale blood quantum arguments, for one. Most recently, now that we're fully in "Jesus was a Palestinian" season again, I saw a famous economist claim that "Jesus is genetically closer to Palestinians, (particularly Christians) than to Israelis (0 connection to most groups)," which is false to begin with.
Personally, I'm very sensitive to this kind of argument because I'm a ger. These people go after Jews like us very hard because to them we have the wrong DNA and thus undermine Jewish indigeneity, peoplehood, and history. Even if they concede the genetic evidence of born Jews' ancestral origins, they still point at gerim and any of our descendants as the "fake Jews" who don't belong… anywhere, actually. We don't belong in Israel because we're "foreign interlopers," and we don't belong outside of Israel because we had the gall to become Jews.
It's one type of antisemitism I can't seem to numb myself toward.
Hi Nonnie! Thank you for the ask, and my apologies about how long it's taking me to reply these days. Real life is not currently kind... :(
Okay, I had to roll my eyes so hard at that propaganda lie about Jesus. (found the economist in question, love it when someone who is living as a colonizer on stolen Native American land, has the audacity to goysplain a Jewish man to Jews, who support Jewish native rights. There really is no end to how much Jews just don't count to such people, is there?)
And it really is remarkable how many things he could get wrong in just that one part of his tweet...
Jesus was not a Palestinian, he was a Jew.
If you traveled back in time, and wanted to ask him about being Palestinian, you wouldn't be able to speak to Jesus in Arabic, which is the language of the Palestinians as Arabs, you would have to speak to him in either Hebrew or Aramaic (which is so close to ancient Hebrew, that I can speak some Aramaic simply by virtue of being a native Hebrew speaker) for him to understand you. Because he was a Jew.
If you did speak to Jesus in Hebrew or Aramaic, and asked him about being Palestinian, he wouldn't know what you're talking about, because the Romans would only rename the land Provincia Syria Palaestina in 136 AD, over 100 years after his death. Calling Jesus Palestinian is like saying that Chief Powhatan (probably best known as Pocahontas' father) was a Virginian, just because he was born and lived on territory that would later become Virginia. It's anachronistic, blatantly untrue, and totally imposing colonialist inventions on native people.
To the best of my knowledge NO ONE has dug up Jesus' DNA to compare it to ANY group. This is how you can tell that when he gets to that part, this guy is just blatantly making propaganda up.
Israelis are not one group, but Israeli Jews do test close to other Middle Eastern groups, and closest to other Jewish groups from around the world.
I guess, why settle for one bit of bullshit, when you can go for five?
I find it so interesting that you used the term "blood quantum." For non-Americans, who may not know it, here's a short introduction:
A person's Blood Quantum is the fraction of their ancestors, out of their total ancestors, who are documented as full-blood Native Americans. The blood quantum policy was first implemented by the federal government within tribes to limit native citizenship. However, since 1934, tribes were granted the authority/ability to create their own enrollment qualifications.
I find it interesting, because I keep thinking Jews and First Nations have so much in common, as native peoples. I remember coming across at least two different stories of people being adopted into Native American tribes. Obviously, each first nation has its own rules about it, before and after the colonization of America, but the point is... there is room for someone to become a member of the tribe, not based on blood. Most of the time, membership of the tribe IS based on ancestry, but it isn't limited to that. Some people come and live with the tribe, adopt its customs and way of life, emerge themselves in the values and heritage, embrace its spiritual beliefs, become a member of this community, and then they are adopted in. It's the same with Jews. Most of us are born Jewish, some of us choose to live this lifestyle, embrace the customs, beliefs and culture, go to synagogue, get to know the community, and eventually adopt and are adopted by it. That's the thing. Converting to Judaism isn't just changing your belief system. It's joining a tribe, and changing one's identity through this process of mutual adoption. Converts to Judaism don't take away ANYTHING from the native rights of Jews. On the contrary, this process of conversion is so different to when someone moves from one religion to another (think of how much simpler baptism is, to the long journey of converting to Judaism), precisely because Judaism isn't just a religion, unlike Christianity and Islam. It is an entire, intricate identity that combines multiple aspects, as all ancient, native identities do.
And in this context, think of Americans who are mostly of European descent, and have nothing to do with Native American culture, or way of life, but they can point to having an "exotic" great great great grandfather, who was a Native American chief. From what I've gathered, they would not be considered members of the tribe by most Native American nations. But the person who lives with the tribe, and shares its ways and its fate? That person is recognized as such by the tribe members.
Jews are the same. We are not native just because our ancestors are from Israel. We are also native, because we are the people who have preserved that Israelite identity. We have carried its torch, and passed it on along the generations, and we have shared our light with those, who chose to stand with us, to share our ways, our fate, and the consequences of the horrible hatred aimed at us.
I love you, my fellow tribe member. Thank you for sharing the light, and the burden, together! *sending so much love* xoxox
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