#jedi vs sith

[smhalltheurlsaretaken]

(repost of this with the video directly in the post because vimeo links are acting up)

Rewatching this scene for the sweet angst, something struck me. In hindsight it's extremely obvious but I'd never thought about it this way.

There's the very obvious parallels with Qui-Gon's death, down to Satine caressing Obi-Wan's cheek, there's that amazing bit of mirrored exchange, where Obi-Wan starts off confrontational and angry and Maul gloating, and then Obi-Wan becomes soft-spoken and empathetic and Maul starts to shake with rage and pain and can't even properly face him, and then there's this.

Maul boasts that the Dark Side is "more powerful than [Obi-Wan] knows," that Obi-Wan's "noble flaw" is a weakness, so why is he trying to make him more powerful? Why tell him to use the Dark Side? Why basically give him a crash course about how it works? Does he want Obi-Wan to retaliate? To escape?

The obvious answer is that Maul isn't trying to make Obi-Wan more powerful. After all, he's well aware that Obi-Wan is a dogshit fighter when he's angry.

Immediately after that last quote, he says "that is not the Jedi way, is it?" as a taunt, and again in The Lawless, he insists "You should have chosen the Dark Side, Master Jedi."

So he's simply trying to destroy him as a Jedi, right? Because he knows that's what make Obi-Wan who he is, and he blames Obi-Wan for robbing him of his status along with his life, so he wants to destroy Obi-Wan's life in the ways that matter (since, as Obi-Wan says, just killing him is nothing like destroying him). But if that's the case, then we're back to the "power" issue. What's the point of destroying Obi-Wan if it's by giving him what Maul claims is his own identity, and the key to freedom?

And imo the answer lies right here:

Why would killing Satine make Obi-Wan share Maul's pain? Why would Maul regard the pain of losing a loved one (something he's completely unfamiliar with at this point) as equal to his torment? Why isn't he chopping Obi-Wan in half and keeping him alive with Nightsister magick instead? Why would the murder of one of Obi-Wan's loved ones, picked almost at random, be THE "moment" Maul has been thinking about "for years"?

I think he really isn't talking about Satine's murder in and of itself when he talks of pain. The pain he wants Obi-Wan to share isn't the pain of loss, but very simply the pain of living in the Dark Side.

That's why Satine really is just a "tool" to his vengeance, as he says, and not the main point. That's why he's so enraged that Obi-Wan insists on showing him compassion even through his fear and anger - being kind leaves you open to grief but protects from the agony of the Dark.

Maul wants Obi-Wan to Fall, to stop being a Jedi, not because he truly believes the Dark Side gives you good things, but because he knows the Dark Side makes you miserable.

He tries to freaking teach Obi-Wan how to Fall, like Obi-Wan is a Sith apprentice, because being a Sith is the most miserable you're ever going to get! He tries to make Obi-Wan suffer by making him like him! He's so self-loathing his hatred of Obi-Wan materializes as self-hatred!

And hey, that greatly complements the end of the episode - Obi-Wan resists the Dark Side and escapes the planet, and Maul revels in it and immediately loses the only person he cares about and ends up crawling and crying while Sidious gleefully tortures him. Maul falls victim to every form of suffering he wanted to inflict on Obi-Wan and Obi-Wan flies away. In the end, Maul is proven right: being Fallen really f*cking sucks.

Really accentuates that Maul wanted relief above all when he sought out Obi-Wan in Rebels. He went to the only person who had shown him actual compassion, and the person he knew was best at resisting the Dark Side - so he could finally be free.

[htis]

[fellthemarvelous]

I want to talk about Obi-Wan and Maul

This might end up being kind of long so bear with me, and my thoughts are kind of all over the place and possibly slightly incoherent.

Maul and Obi-Wan had a rivalry that was insanely brutal. (More under the cut.)

Maul survived being cut in half by Obi-Wan and ended up going insane, no longer connected to reality and living in the sewers for many years. Once Savage took him back to Dathomir and the Nightsisters "fixed" him, he found clarity again and became wholly fixated on Obi-Wan, the only person he had any connection to from his past. He hated all Jedi, but there was no one he hated more than Kenobi.

Obi-Wan, for his part, was horrified to learn that Maul had survived considering Obi-Wan had cut him in half.

Their rivalry is probably one of my favorites in all of Star Wars.

Maul was bloodthirsty, vengeful, and full of rage.

Obi-Wan was the opposite. He was kind, compassionate, took no pleasure from killing others, and loved unconditionally.

And one thing Obi-Wan eventually came to understand about Maul was that Maul had not had a good life. He recognized that Maul was raised to be the person he was because of the cruelty of Darth Sidious.

The Nightsisters handed baby Maul over to Darth Sidious to be trained in the ways of the Sith. Darth Sidious, who is famously cruel and diabolical. Darth Sidious, who raised Maul to be expendable because Maul was just a means to an end for Sidious.

Maul who never grew up experiencing love. He never experienced kindness or compassion. He was raised to be an assassin, a cold-blooded killer, doing anything and everything Sidious asked of him.

And he eventually understood that he had been nothing more than a tool for Sidious.

So he was angry. Alone. Full of hate. And wanted revenge.

And his anger at Obi-Wan was more than just him losing his legs. Obi-Wan caused him to lose the only life he knew. He had no guidance once Sidious was finished with him.

The only life he knew was one of cruelty. He'd never bonded with anyone until he met Savage.

And when Sidious killed Savage, Maul was alone again. (Ironically, Sidious killed Savage the same way Maul had killed Satine like five minutes prior.)

He had no one on his side again.

He tried to connect with Ahsoka, and then with Ezra years later.

But still, more than anything, he wanted to break Obi-Wan the same way that he himself was broken. He wanted to see Obi-Wan lose control and become like him. He was almost successful when he forced Obi-Wan to watch him kill Satine.

But Obi-Wan proved to be unbreakable even in that moment, and Maul's obsession only became stronger, along with his rage.

Maul was unable to comprehend love, and it drove him crazy that Obi-Wan had actually tried to connect with him in the moments leading up to Satine's death. Obi-Wan had tried to show Maul compassion and it infuriated Maul. He hated that Obi-Wan was trying to be kind to him.

Maul was a monster in every way, but he was also a victim raised under the cruelty of Darth Sidious and only knew how to be what Sidious had molded him into.

And on the other side we have Obi-Wan Kenobi. Despite his sass and sharp wit, he is kind and loving. He loved being a Jedi and devoted his life to living by the Jedi code. And he may not have always gotten it right, but he never strayed from the core principles.

(And always be as dramatic as possible.)

I've seen some bizarre criticisms of Obi-Wan that have me scratching my head. His attachment to Anakin, for one, like there isn't a rich and complicated history behind their relationship in the first place.

He's criticized for not killing Anakin so clearly Vader's reign of terror is somehow Obi-Wan's fault.

Let's examine all of this a bit closer.

We often joke about the fact that Obi-Wan has a vast collection of dismembered body parts, but Obi-Wan does not like killing others. He kills when he has no other option.

He prefers to disarm his opponents, quite literally. He cut off Zam Wessell's hand instead of killing her even though she was about to kill him. He just wanted answers. She had no real way of fighting back because he had injured her.

He disarmed the man who was threatening Luke in the cantina in A New Hope. He didn't kill him though. It's not like he was a major threat.

And on Mustafar, he couldn't bring himself to kill Anakin. He cut off one of Anakin's arms and both of his legs, an action that tore him apart because he loved Anakin so much. Anakin was defenseless at that point, and he was also completely on fire thanks to the lava. No part of him imagined that Anakin could have survived being burned alive, and he spent the next ten years hating himself for leaving Anakin to die until he learned that Anakin not only survived but was incredibly angry with him and wanted to kill him.

Just like Maul.

Obi-Wan did not like the idea of killing. At all.

And perhaps it was his attachment to Anakin Skywalker that brought the galaxy to its knees, but that attachment was because he and Anakin had always had a confusing relationship.

Let's take into consideration the fact that Obi-Wan, at the end of The Phantom Menace and only 25-years-old, had just watched his Master die at the hands of Darth Maul, subsequently killed Darth Maul (but not as much as he thought he had), been given the title of Jedi Knight, and taken on nine-year-old Anakin Skywalker (almost immediately after being knighted), a boy who had just been freed from slavery and had to leave his mother behind to pursue a life as a Jedi because being a Jedi had always been his dream.

Then maybe take into account the fact that Obi-Wan Kenobi was grieving the loss of Qui-Gon while Anakin struggled with being away from Shmi for the first time in his life. Obi-Wan didn't just train Anakin in the ways of the Jedi, he raised Anakin. He treated Anakin like a brother while Anakin said Obi-Wan was the closest thing he ever had to a father. Obi-Wan has always been good with children, and it's only natural that he would take on a parental type of role despite the fact he was only 16 years older than Anakin. He loved Anakin the way a brother would, and it did blind him to some of Anakin's more concerning habits, but Anakin also kept his biggest sins a secret because he was ashamed of himself, and he never wanted to know what it felt like to have Obi-Wan be disappointed in him.

Their relationship was messy because they were attached to each other, but Obi-Wan still did his best to teach Anakin. It had been Qui-Gon's final wish for him to train the boy, and Obi-Wan trusted his master.

So it was his attachment to Anakin that prevented him from killing Anakin aka Darth Vader, but it was very in character for him to choose not to do so. He always believed there were other ways to fight back.

And in the end, not killing Anakin had been the right choice. Anakin is the one who defeated Sidious (at the cost of his own life too) in an act of love for his son Luke and returned balance to the Force.

Obi-Wan didn't want to kill Maul either, but Maul gave him no choice. Maul was now a threat to Luke.

Maul lived a tormented, lonely life because he was never able to come to terms with the pain and anguish he'd experienced as a child that turned him into the monster he was throughout the rest of his life.

Obi-Wan (Ben) was able to rise above the suffering he'd endured and made peace with what had happened during and after the Clone Wars. He was so very much connected to the Force by this point because he had finally been able to let go of the tragedies of his past.

When he defeated Maul, he didn't treat it as a victory. He cradled Maul in his arms the same way he had held Qui-Gon and Satine when they died by Maul's hand.

He offered compassion to Maul despite Maul's atrocities, and in doing so, allowed Maul to experience peace for the first time in his long life.

In his final moments, he was treated with the dignity he had never given any of his victims.

And I think, in the end, Maul finally understood what he had been deprived of his entire life.

Obi-Wan was a true Jedi. He might have made a few errors along his journey, like everyone else does. He proved he was a master not by his skills with a lightsaber but by his ability to show compassion to those who don't necessarily deserve it because they are the ones who usually need it the most.

Star Wars Rebels gave us such beautiful closure to a rivalry that spanned decades.

[starfireproductions]

"You didn't kill Anakin Skywalker... I did."

I have posted a couple of character projects from my books but those are exclusive to my DA page so if you want to check them out, you can find them there. As such, they've taken more of my art time so other projects have been cut back to quick grey scale ones in between my main works. One of my favourite scenes from the Obi-Wan Kenobi series. The look on Anakin's face when he says this and Obi-Wan's response was just fantastic.

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[madmanwonder]

Prompt

Crossover Fusion Star Wars: Jedi AU + Sith AU

Jedi Hiro Hamada Vs Sith Ruby Tojo

MK Intro Meme

Arena: Imperial Throne Room

Jedi!Hiro: For the Republic! For the Jedi!

Sith!Ruby: Do you have anything original in that mind, boy?

Jedi!Hiro: The only original thing I have in mind is your death, witch!

[spookypanda04]

Sooooo, I did a thing

[skysgalaxy]

Sorry about the quality but for the life of me even though it's interesting that we get extended fight scenes of Jedi vs Sith I cannot unsee this Obi looks like a bug jumping it's not just during this fight several fights have this almost exact same pattern and it's always hilarious to me cause they literally move like bugs

[thehollowprince]

[invictacaela]

One aspect of the EU I have always liked-is when the Sith worldview begins, its violent conquest but it is also the union of two groups of people who have fundamentally shared aspirations-the Sith species of Korriban and the exiles-neither group accepts a transitory existence or respects the limitations of life as something to just abide.

The Exiles-Sorzus Syn, Pall, Xoxaan and the rest gaining the allegiance of a people that since very ancient times was seeking the same thing they were-echoing back to the conquest and domination fuelled mindset of the Rakatan Empire and down to when A'Sharad Hett discovers XoXaan's holocron-more than anything else really connected the EU as a unified narrative.

The EU leans to this tension as ultimately eternal-embodied both in its own prehistory and the ambitions and strivings of its characters-the Jedi and Sith both represents different cosmic concepts that are expressed in sapient life and while neither order is properly eternal-the Ashla and Bogan(light and dark sides) are. Its dualistic and fatalistic and vitalistic and I love it.

[dixieconley]

Purely as a writer of crack fic, I rebut with:

Neither the Light nor the Dark are evil. They're not even light or dark, simply two different approaches to emotional control -- two strategies, as it were, for coping with the Force. One for when you're capable of controlling your emotions and one for situations in which emotional control is impossible and contains a strategy from returning to a situation where control is possible. The enormous gray area in there is part of the problem. Some people can't control their emotions -- such as small children -- and as such naturally draw on both sides of the Force. Some people don't want to control their emotions. When those people have Force powers, they tend to be called "Dark Siders" (although there isn't an actual 'dark side', just a different way of talking to the Force essentially). When people with the Force actively try to inflict suffering on others in order to draw power from it? Those people are Sith and they are rabid demagol'ke regardless of their emotional control or lack thereof.

From my point of view, neither the Jedi or the Sith are aware of what their codes truly mean or what balance actually is.

And if, at some point, a Jedi who's been held captive/hostage/enslaved all too many times rediscovers this? Should be pretty cracky if it ever grows a plot. Head canons, huh?

i just had an argument about the jedi so now i’m going to rant about how i perceive them

so basically the sith are these evil extremists in the force who harness their hatred and stuff

to me that makes the jedi extremists in the opposite direction. anytime you feel a negative emotion just don’t? and don’t even think about favoring someone, you’ll turn evil immediately!

while i know there is a good reason to have these rules and they’re there from experience it is still very extreme and a lot of things could’ve been done differently.

for example; a child is taught from a young age that they’re not allowed attachment and that their negative emotions can cause them to fall into the dark side. of course they’re still going to feel attached to something one day. how would that child feel? inadequate? defective?

watching dune (part 2) really makes you think about organized religion and how it can be harmful. the jedi are basically a cult.

the argument was about how i don’t think the jedi were these angels they were made out to be and the other person has been brainwashed into thinking that that were.

would i rather be a child soldier who isn’t allowed to fall in love or love a parent figure more than the next guy or live a normal ass life and fall in love (optional) and live happy with the people around me??? 🤔

i feel like we need a middle ground

bc if anakin got that middle ground i’m sure things would’ve been completely different. if obi-wan hadn’t pushed him away and just said ‘i love you’ once i’m sure Anakin wouldn’t have felt like an outcast

but hey, that’s just a theory

[pedroam-bang]

Star Wars Galaxy Of Adventures (2019)

[alphamecha-mkii]

Star Wars: Jedi vs. Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force - Jedi starfighters fly past the Jedi Temple on Coruscant by Tommy Lee Edwards

[starfireproductions]

Ahsoka: Warrior, Outcast, Rebel, Jedi

Only a few days away from the new series starting online and looking forward to it. While some aspects seem a little off, there's no doubt that Rosario Dawson absolutely nails it as Ahsoka Tano. Second of my three planned projects for the show.

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[haaaaaaaaaaaave-you-met-ted]

Star Wars: Jedi vs Sith #2 by Ramón F. Bachs

[darthkote]

Maul: and... This is supposed to help me.. how?

Obi-Wan: *remains cross-legged and quiet beside him*

Maul: Kenobi? *starting to open his eyes*

Obi-Wan: keep them shut and stop thinking so much. You're being quite loud, you know.

Maul: *growls before reattempting to quiet his mind* I told you this isn't my thing.

Obi: no, you just haven't given yourself enough grace. Try again.

[groundrunner100]

Let the final battle… BEGIN.