#iwtv s2 episode 5 spoilers

[salethe2]

Literally the first thing Daniel should ask Armand when he arrives at the apartment.

[rrr-mmmm]

My coven is Claudia.

(and nothing bad happens)

[tigone]

devil’s minion fans watching armand slam daniel around repeatedly, force him onto his knees, and become become fixated on what makes him “fascinating”:

[sabugabr]

Ep.4: I Want You More Than Anything In The World

[readerconfused]

"Louis forgave me"

of course Armand, my love, this is the face of forgiveness

[debdarkpetal]

"How often has Armand spared a life" ...

[nalyra-dreaming]

For some reason the video doesn't upload, but here's the relevant gifs from the video:

That's the fall again from episode 5.

And it's Armand behind Louis with the fire gift, and Louis turning to him.

Thank you to @thedaswolves for the nudge :))))

[parauyle]

armand got vintage drip

[ditch-lily]

question my friend is coming over to marathon watch iwtv s2 tomorrow. they have no spoilers and I have armands exact outfit from episode 5. should i wear it tomorrow then just creepily turn in their direction after the ep. is this anything

[rapha-reads]

IWTV rewatch

(this show and these books are insane and inspiring - spoilers for both seasons)

Season 1 episode 5 [A Vile Hunger For Your Hammering Heart] - part 1/2

- Previously... Trouble in the Unholy Family.

- Hey, did y'all notice that the intro card, the red sky with the skyline, actually changes? I was rewatching some parts of s2 and noticed that the skyline is different cities, but some buildings disappear from one episode to another.

- *wheezes* What the hell is this opening. Loumand indulging in some exhibitionism for Daniel while Daniel's going through Claudia's exploits. Hilarious. This show is a comedy, I swear. Holy shit, look at Armand's face, he's having the time of his life. And Louis doesn't give a shit, man wants his blood and that's it. Freaks. I love them.

[Daniel] "I'm trying to think of something more fucked up than this." - I don't know, what's going on in front of you maybe? *dies of laughter*

- [Rashid/Armand] "'And how is your work any different? Well, what do you think will happen to Mr du Lac when you publish this book, when the other vampires of the world get their hands on it?' [Daniel] 'As long as they pay full freight.' [Rashid/Armand] 'They will make their way to Dubai. They will scale the sides of this building, force their way inside, and paint the walls with his blood. You are chronicling a suicide. Do not look down on Claudia. Look in the mirror.'"

... Hey, Armand? Pot meets kettle. Don't pretend you care about Claudia. You could stop this any time you want. You're enjoying this, you're enjoying Louis' pain, you're thinking that the book will never see the light of day, that you're in control of the entire narrative, that you can stop this any time you want, that nothing will come out of this enterprise. You're thinking that if, if it comes to this, you'll get to play hero and "save" Louis' life again, and thus tie him even more to yourself. You're assisting that suicide, Armand. You just think that you're in control of the dosage. Look in the mirror.

- [Louis] "Honey and pineapple. He stuffs himself with both for days before he offers himself to me." - Lou baby I love you but you are insane. And also there are things you'd do better to keep in your head, actually. This whole roleplay thing is crazy. I'm imagining Daniel thinking back on these moments after he's turned and just going "what in the seven hells was that".

- [Rashid/Armand] "I care for him more than I care for himself." - oooh, did you guys notice that quick side glance Louis throws at Armand there? That line is Armand being genuine and Louis going "hey dear that's not in the script, what are you saying". Louis is done with both Armand and Daniel, he's being very bitchy and mean.

- What'd that bird do to you, Louis? Leave the poor birdy alone.

Aw, how the tableturns have turned, or however that expression goes. Now you're trying to get her to feed when you made Lestat's life hell refusing to eat yourself...

- Lestat reading and mocking Claudia's diary = Damon Salvatore reading and mocking Stefan and Elena's diaries (my first vampire show was Vampire Diaries, sorry, can't escape your past and all that).

- Oof, Claudia shattering the mirror and Louis being the cautious, angry one for once. Family's in trouble. And then the river of corpses... Oh, trouble, trouble all around.

- Ugh. Tom fucking Anderson is back. When does he die again because he's ugh.

- [Anderson] "Every single one of those corpses had some soft part of it lopped off. Finger here, a foot there... a toe." - yeah, I'm good with blood, but body parts? Claudia's trophies? That is actually stomach turning.

- [Lestat] "One each" - power couuuuuple. Look at them go! Unstoppable when they finally work together, and so in synch. That's what we like to see! Also let's just get rid of Anderson now, thanks.

- Oh, man, Claudia being drunk when the cops are searching the house, half comedy, half horror show. And then the real horror starts as she gathers her trophies. Ah, fuck, I had forgotten about the half dead guy in the closet. She craaaazy.

- [Lestat] "You wanted her, you fix her!" - when one of your parent tells the other "that's your child" when you do or behave in a way they hate. Classic parent stuff.

[Louis] "'We're doing this together.' [Lestat] 'Do you remember our life, how happy we were before her?' [Louis] 'Happy? We were not happy!' [Lestat] 'An anvil, tied around our ankles, pulling us towards the pitch-black ocean floor.'"

Ouch. You ever hear your parents fighting because of you, blaming you for their issues? Yeah... Can't say I blame Claudia for going off the rails.

- [Claudia] "Who am I supposed to love? You two have each other. Who's my Lestat? Who's my Louis? I'm not human. What human would want me? Perverts? Like the uncle at the rooming house who used to watch me pee? Or little boys? And 40 years from now... still little boys? How are you gonna fix it, huh? Which one of you gonna fuck me?!"

Hey, more of Claudia's fucked up backstory. 'You broke it, you fix it', except they can't even begin to understand what's broken, because she's right, they've got each other, even when they fight, that's Louis-and-Lestat, Lestat-and-Louis, they can't even understand why she's so mad and so sad and so angry. Kinda like when allosexual alloromantic people tell you, an aro ace person "but you don't love?" - bitch, I do love, I just don't wanna date anybody, thanks. L&L to Claudia: "but we're a family, we're rich and we're powerful, why are you not happy". Claudia: "bitch, maybe because I'm stuck as a kid for the rest of eternity while my mind and spirit age and I gotta see you two romance each other every fucking night while knowing that nobody will ever want to romance me?".

- [Claudia] "'I'm gonna go out there and find other vampires.' [Lestat] 'If you could find them, which you won't, they would shred you to strips, because you are build like a bird, because you are a mistake.'"

Bedside manners, Lestat. You know the worst thing, Lestat does warn here that she'd be in danger, but he does it in such a mocking, cruel manner that obviously she doesn't believe him and doesn't even take him seriously.

- Louis' dejected scoff when Lestat tells him he's killing Antoinette soon. These madmen are so bad at communicating.

- [Louis] "We made her out of remorse, out of selfishness." - ah, the self-awareness brought by a century of reflecting on your past. But what's that "we", Louis? You wanted her out of remorse, as your penance, your redemption for your sins and mistakes. Lestat made her out of love and pity for you.

- [Daniel] "'Poor dear. She wasn't held enough in between ritualistic murders.' [Louis] 'She spent every night for half a decade with no friends, locked in the emotional storm of puberty.' [Daniel] 'Look, Charlie Manson wrote a couple of beautiful songs. Still, he was Charlie Manson.' [Louis] 'Is that all you think of her?' [Daniel] 'Mostly. I also think she makes you and Frenchy look like a couple of whiny, existential queens. Probably why she's a fucking goldmine. The girl who moves a million books.' [Louis] 'I won't have her exploited.' [Daniel] 'Won't matter what your intentions are. It's the world out there now. She's the - the... single-shooter, Xbox, mouth-breather shit they crave.'"

Daniel's right. Look at us, we fucking love Claudia. She's a psycho, she's murderous, she's cold-blooded... She's our babygirl. She's our bicon. She's the moment. We love her because she's unhinged and feral and unapologetic about her pain and anger.

I love this writing, how it totally recontextualizes the whole story in the 21st century. Book!Claudia is disturbing, little blond angel with blood on her teeth, the eternal child with the wisdom and anger of a grown woman. Show!Claudia is pure attraction and mass adoration, the symbol of teenage angst with all of a lifetime of anger and rebellion. We relate to her, we the generations that have had to grow up so fast while simultaneously stunted, can't find jobs but expected to be way more qualified than our parents, can't buy a house but gotta be way more independent and resourceful and crafty than our elders. The whole world at our fingertips but completely unable to reach it, stuck in an eternal loop of doom and gloom as we watch the world burn without having the slightest power to stop it.

And of course Daddy Lou still wants to protect her from that, even in death, still sees her as his precious little daughter/sister who needs sheltering and safeguarding, even after she tells him she's not that kid anymore.

Well, that was heavy. Doom and gloom indeed. Don't think part 2 will get any better.

episode 1 | episode 2 | episode 3 | episode 4 | part 2 | episode 6 | episode 7

[salethe2]

The way he isn’t even a little bit surprised here. This little gremlin knew this whole thing was coming and he wouldn’t have left if he wasn’t prepared for it.

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IWTV S2 - ANOTHER commercial teaser!? Analysis & EP5 Theories

Lord, I have places to be in the morning, but AMC thinks it's cute to release multiple teasers in a day. 😭

This is a SPICY one for Louis, too! 👀

We start with the familiar "Me n' you; you n' me" from Louis, but we see a teensy bit more of his fallout with Claudia:

Claudia's head is being pushed down into something as she screams.

And thanks to the teaser we got earlier today, we can assume Lou's in the burlap sack the (the night the Theatre jumps him, Claud & Madz).

They jump from Claudia yelling at Louis, to Louis yelling "YOU left ME!" I NEED to know who Louis is talking to--it's a hard cut from Claudia to Louis, but I bet he's talking to someone else.

Cuz of the cut to Armand looking concerned as he calls Lou's name (Merrick?), now I'm thinking about the books, where we know Armand left Louis (in IWTV) for Daniel (in QotD). So is that a Loumand argument? 👀 Cuz I'm telling y'all, I don't trust them in Dubai, and the goat Carol Cutshall already threw shade their way, with the "so-called love of his life" line. I'm side-eying them HEAVY.

And good grief, poor Louis' going THROUGH IT in his dark room.

But the REAL reason I'm posting all this is cuz of this juicy morsel:

😳 LOUSTAT KISSING IN EPISODE 5 FOOTAGE. 😳

AMC, what in heaven's name is HAPPENING!?

Neither Louis nor Lestat are injured here, so does this clip happen:

1) In 1931, right before Claudia came home?

2) Or even earlier, back in 1923, when Loustat was arguing about Claudia's "hunger strike"? Cuz we know Louis wore the same blue sweater TWICE in Ep5.

3) OR, this is legit from the Ep5 fight, while they were upstairs, during the parts we didn't see while they were in the coffin/bedroom?

Was it "over" cuz Louis was desperately tryna kiss and make up? Did it not work, cuz Lestat knew/convinced himself that Lou was playing him--"maybe it's the gin, my love"? Cuz Les is the one to push Louis through the wall.

I dunno, I need sleep. 😫

[EDIT] I'm dead wrong (and blind).

Thank you so much @loustat-0 -- yup, I just saw @squirrellypoo's post explaining that you have to really crank up the lighting to be able to tell that this is Louis' jean jacket from Hallucination!Lestat we've seen in 1000 other trailers, NOT the blue sweater from EP5.

Thank GOD, cuz I went to bed just DREADING what people would start saying about Ep5. 🤦

[uthseikoashx-goingmyway]

so... about this (Daniel Molloy) (tiny theory + minor spoilers for iwtv s2)

I was a bit out of the fandom when [this TV Insider interview] dropped (a week and a half ago), but even then, I didn't found people talking about this moment in particular?

Eric Bogosian is talking about his favourite lines — and because he doesn’t remember the lines (lmao), he talks about an “intense scene” from Dubai. He explains how Daniel (cf. the screeshots) picked up one of his own books and then, a discrepency appeared:

“When I [from Daniel’s pov] wrote it, I didn’t realise what was I was writing — and when I read it, I realize what it is I’m describing.”

I understand this as Daniel writing something about vampires, maybe in his own autobiography, but lacking some memories to make sense of it. Now that his memories just keep bubbling up — at least, we know he’ll remember the 1973 interview in episode 5 thanks to the NYC Screening — he can grasp things in a new light. And he adds right after that it is a “very intense scene”, something I suppose to be meaningful for Daniel’s character.

That’s one more element feeding the Devil’s-Minion-happened-and-Daniel-doesn’t-remember theory, which seems very (very) plausible, but also the promise of a very interesting sequence I can’t wait to watch (imagine, reading your autobiography and realising that the wife you were talking about is actually the vampire who's your client's husband (quite improbable considering the s2 scenes that dropped recently about Alice but you get the idea))

[the TV Insider video > timecode: 5:09]

[bonus: the NYC Screening video and minor spoiler about young Daniel in episode 5 > timecode: 32:27 (Eric Bogosian is answering to the question "why does Daniel stick around even though he may die during this interview?")]

[crazykuroneko]

The Newsreader S2 Ep 2 (Spoiler)

Finally, after an underwhelming first episode (it's not bad, but I feel like it's there to set the scene), The Newsreader is back to being insane. I have to say this episode is on par with IWTV Ep 5; the writing is tight and insane af, all of the characters are going for each other's throat, the score the cinematography are top notch muah. Love LOVE a good television.

So, some thoughts under the cut.

Rob/Noelene: it's so interesting to have them as some kind of foil to Helen/Dale. So soft to each other. Noelene's concern on their relationship affects their career because she's an Asian woman and how a relationship becomes a whole family thing is so relatable. Dennis caring for her because the Asian solidarity is cute as well. And Rob is such a softie 🫂

Helen/Dale: I feel for them both. They're the reason why my office doesn't allow their workers to marry each other lol. It's complicated. You kinda see yourself as a team, but your boss don't. And both of them got a point imo. Dale is right with the footage, Helen is right with the gun law. I think if they prepared a good script for her to corner that gun nut, it could have gone awesomely, but alas. That whole newsroom is filled with alphas (except Dale, he's pretending he has an inch of alpha in him). Dale only listens to words about his own career when Gerry speaks is so funny though (I'm so sorry Gerry, but there are only two things inside his head: career and Helen). And how the moment he's assured that he has a good audience instinct he uses it immediately to recover Helen's image? That's cute. That's love. I'm so sorry to doubt you 🥺

Now, these snakes: Geoff, Evelyn, and Charlie. Geoff isn't that snakey without his wife. He is so unprofessional with his program though. Like, he literally uses it to preach? Doesn't he have a boss or something? I know it's an exclusive program, but still. And GOD Evelyn is out there gaslighting Cheryl in real time. I wrote on my note "Hannibal would be so proud of her". She is my Big Bad Guy from S1, actually. And Charlie, he is interesting. He pokes and prods until he finds the real fault on his cup (News at Six). I think he's underestimating Helen at first, and now he's "interested" in her because she doesn't follow his words yet somehow presents a better solution. (Good for Helen for standing her ground!) But he doesn't realize yet Helen/Dale move as one unit though. He's also so controlling. It will be interesting to see if he'll just fire Lindsey in the next episode or take advantage of the dislike the crews have for each other longer.

Anyway, a solid episode throughout. 10/10. I think I need to rewatch it tomorrow.

[cbrownjc]

Minor sidenote but re: the scene where Daniel requested the pages from Claudia's diary and then Louis did that to his Parkinsons, I don't think that it was absolutely necessary for Louis to have told him in detail what the content of the pages is within the context of episode 5 alone. I can understand people being upset over Daniel requesting them and the overall meaning of him not technically trusting Louis' word on it. However, even before episode 7, I still didn't agree with Louis's point about not exploiting Claudia when it came to those pages. Particularly because even with those pages torn out and her assault being only mentioned in passing but not explained in detail, he's still giving her diaries to a man that Claudia never knew, putting them in as material for a book that would be published to an audience that Claudia has never technically agreed to. We saw how private she was about her diaries and how offended she was that both Louis and Lestat breached her privacy by reading them, how would she feel about this random human guy who never met her in person getting to use them to write material that LOUIS wants, but not her? That would still be him exploiting her own words for something he wants, but not something she's possibly ever wanted. Even if Claudia gives Louis permission to have the diaries and do whatever with them in s2 (which I highly doubt), he still took to tearing out pages that weren't just about a sensitive subject relating to her, rather something that was also sensitive to him (specifically the taken out pages mentioned in episode 7)

Hey Anon,

You've basically summed up the larger overall issue about the diaries, which is we don't know - and it's highly doubtful - that Claudia gave consent for her diaries to be shared at all, especially in this way.

As you say, we saw how hurt and angry she was when she found out Lestat and Louis had read her diary. It's hard to think she'd be in any way okay with Daniel reading them in this way to be used for a book. Hell, it's even clear that Armand has read them as well.

And yes, along with that, pages aren't just being ripped out wrt subjects sensitive to Claudia but to Louis himself as well.

So just sharing the diaries in and of themselves is kinda exploitative and it being done at all is likely something Claudia herself would have never agreed to, along with the ripping out of pages from them.

Spoilers for the ITWV Book and Possibly Season 2 Below:

Of course, the idea of consenting for the diaries to be shared at all comes down to if Claudia is still alive at all, which I really do not think she is. The show has changed some things, but not things that are major plot points. It's only the getting to those major plot points that have been changed.

And Claudia's death is one of the biggest plot points in the whole IWTV story. It's one of the biggest hearts of the tragedy of the story.

So I do think Claudia is dead. And this makes the sharing of the diaries an issue of should stuff like this be shared posthumously or not, especially if the person who kept the diary gave zero consent about it.

And that's not a question I really feel I have an answer for.

As someone in the notes of the other post I made about this said -and reminded me of - Anne Frank's diaries were edited by her father. Not that that should be completely compatible with this at all (even if Daniel did make the comparison himself).

But posthumously published diaries being edited by family members has been something that has been done, and it's usually for the benefit of making the family, or whomever, look better, as well as sometimes the person who wrote the diary as well (if the family wants to hide something about them).

I think the answer to the question of if Claudia gave content for her diaries to be shared in this way is probably "no." Because, if we go by the books, then while I'm sure she knew Armand wanted her out of the way/dead, she probably wasn't resigned to her death or anything. She was instead making plans to get a new companion and leave Paris. Meaning she would have taken her diaries with her.

I don't, in any way, think she was going to leave them with Louis. Or give him any kind of permission to share them with people. Particularly with Armand, let alone Daniel.

[debdarkpetal]

"I know where he is" ....

😱