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"Admittedly I don’t know them or their accounts, Im saying this based on looking at their profiles and seeing people go on about their problematic posts."

Me neither.

"But you’re presenting this situation as problematic white and poc fans who like problematic white characters and have problematic takes going after mostly black fans. When that’s not the case... And we don’t know who doxxers for a fact. So how you making all these assumptions and drawing these lines?.. .Ranting is your prerogative of course but this situation and the problem with fandom is messier than what you’re presenting here."

If no one knows definitively who did the doxxing, how does anyone know what is or isn't the case? All I DO know is that these 2 girls Autumn spoke to are Latina, and that there's at least 3 Black girls (Autumn didn't even mention them) who were ALSO targeted. I've seen their threads, and one of them barely ever talks about IWTV at all. They had literally NOTHING to do with the situation. They weren't even in attendance or even active in the fandom anymore. That looks mighty sus TO ME. And that there is a proven & documented pattern of behavior in this racist effing fandom that keeps putting Black/Bipoc fans in the crosshairs of the entire effing fandom--specifically because this whole problem IS all about Lestat, and how he's the most controversial figure on the show, because people can't effing handle the fact that a problematic character is problematic without finding a million ways to make excuses for him in ways that directly read as antiblack racism.

"The doxxed fans in question would probably fall under your umbrella of problematic for liking lestat.... And it’s the same kind of black and white thinking that makes this people what they do is ok as long as they deem their target “problematic”. Like talking about how a vampire is problematic in a situation when real people got doxxed? He’s fictional who cares."

First of all, who told you that I think people who like Lestat are problematic? The devil is a liar, cuz I myself am a Black person who likes AMC!Lestat! 🤣 You know how many Black/Bipoc fans have yelled at me & blocked me cuz I'm too nice to Lestat, and give him too much grace, and actually WANT him to be with Louis and not Armand?! Because I DO think Lestat's a redeemable character, and I keep saying that there are IRL couples who stay together even after instances of horrific abuse. I've spoken at length on how much I'm looking forward to Lestat's character development, I have entire metas breaking down Lestat's good AND bad aspects. All I want is for Loustat to get married and raise more kids in Lestat's renovated chateau! But I know Lestat has to get worse before he gets better, to prove that he's WORTHY of Louis' love, like Claudia said. Because I read ALL of these books before this show was even on the air, and I've repeatedly said that I love book!Lestat in Blackwood Farm & the Prince Lestat Trilogy where he's the good guy, but effing hated him in IWTV & QotD & TotBT where he's the bad guy--because he's a work in progress. Until he starts doing right by Louis (& Claudia's memory), Imma stay on Lestat's effing neck, but I'm NOT gonna say people are WRONG for liking him, and certainly NOT that they deserve to get doxxed/etc, if that's what you're effing implying. IDGAF if people like Lestat--the whole point is that he IS likeable. I've posted a whole list of my Top 10 favorite IWTV reactors, including Lestans who hate Louis; and Loumanders who hate Lestat/Loustat--because I LIKE seeing alternate takes on characters, and having convos with people I disagree with, rather than sitting in a useless echo chamber with zero critical engagement.

So what I DO find problematic is how this predominately white fandom loves to automatically assume that any Black/Bipoc viewer who is vocally critical of problematic Lestat probably thinks everyone who likes him is problematic too, (and implicitly would probably approve of them getting doxxed)~! This is EXACTLY what I'm talking about; what I find problematic is you even assuming that about me while knowing eff all about me or my actual stance on Lestat, or people in the fandom, just because I call racist ish out as I see it. It's the small-minded cliquish/Klanish mentality I find problematic! As if a person has to hate a character & everyone IRL who likes them, just cuz they're critical of them, and refuse to blindly fondle his meat. 🙄

What I find problematic is how people make excuses for Lestat's racist behavior, by engaging in antiblack rhetoric that victim-blames Louis & Claudia while giving Lestat a pass just cuz they're sexually attracted to him. What I find problematic is when people obfuscate/dismiss serious critiques made against Lestat; and actively encourage white AND Black/Bipoc fans to do the same, regurgitating the same braindead koolaid to JUSTIFY & NORMALIZE abuse, all under the UMBRELLA of how this is just a fictional tv show it's not that deep~! What I find problematic is how this predominately white fandom fixes its lips to speak negatively on Louis' status as a (closeted gay) Black man during Jim Crow, without knowing anything about the history of racism against African Americans, who refuse to acknowledge the ways that Lestat is racist--(the same way people refuse to acknowledge how Remmick in Sinners is racist).

What I find problematic is the dogpiling/gaslighting that this predominately white fandom practices against any Black/Bipoc fan who looks at 1x5 and 2x7 as racist abuse apologia and says that S3 will prove that LOUIS was the real liar & abuser for protecting his own daughter from a violent unhinged white man who never respected them as Black people, either in S1 or S2. And I can only brace myself for whatever he does in S3--he's already off to a bad start with that boardroom clip, telling Louis he should've slept with Santiago instead, like wtf is actually wrong with that man? And what I find problematic is how this predominately white fandom got mad at Black/Bipoc people for calling THAT ish out as racist, too.

THAT is what I find problematic. And it ALL informs precisely why this situation happened in the first place; cuz rather than just accepting the fact that Lestat engages in wildly racist behavior at Louis & Claudia etc's expense, this predominately white fandom has convinced the vast majority of people that it's not an issue at all--just like they do in the Sinners fandom about Remmick. The only difference is that Sinners is a 1-and-done movie. IWTV is an ongoing tv show that this fandom is gonna keep tryna spin as the Lestat Show, the Nickistat Show, the Lesmand Show--anything BUT a show with 2 Black characters at the direct center, who are just as disrespected & disregarded as the Black/Bipoc fans watching the show and calling out the hypocritically preferential treatment for what it is.

If YOU see this whole situation as being about something else, that's your right and your POV and your prerogative based on your experiences. But this is how it's all boiling down FOR ME; and this is how I am gonna continue talking about the problems in the IWTV fandom, including but not limited to one instance of MANY in this fandom where Black/Bipoc people have specifically been doxxed, bullied, and harassed out of the fandom, regardless of their stance on Lestat or anyone else.

Let’s Talk About SDCC 2025 - Autumn Brown (The IWTV fandom is RACIST AF and lost its effing mind!)

I was told about this situation when it happened, and was gonna add it to my next IWTV Intersectionality & Racism post, because it was a racially-targeted attack on Black/Bipoc fans and friends who were victims of doxxing and the kinds of Block Lists that people in this racist & antiblack effing IWTV fandom love to circulate online when they have childish AF petty AF personal beefs & disagreements about fandom nonsense. 

I’ve had a whole section about the SDCC situation sitting in my draft, and I was really unsure about what to say about or if I should include the tweet screencaps or not–but I’m SO glad that I waited, and that the most very popular white woman y’all love so much has spoken on this. Cuz y’all white & non-Black heffas just don’t listen or respect Black/Bipocs fans anyway, unless they’re the ONE token you need to hide behind to prove how not-racist y’all are, all while sprewing the vilest filth to gaslight the fandom into thinking It’s Not About Race~! #THOSE PEOPLE #THEM are just so stupid & media illiterate & are just making up crap about racism & micro/macroaggressions, here’s is a whole block list of Black/Brown people you should all stay away from cuz they’re soooo toxic for ruining my fun as I fantasize about Sam Reid/Lestat. 

But even that wasn’t good enough for y’all. You had to CRIMINALIZE innocent people, IRL! It was SO appropriate that Autumn called the main victim “Claudia,” cuz THIS IS A STONING.

Over FANDOM garbage! Over something they literally weren’t even guilty of! 

Y’all hate us Black/Bipoc fans collectively, and this is the low level you stoop to; wildly firing at anyone you can, just because you can. Black/Bipoc fans DARE to say: Hey, this white character is problematic! Abusive even! So everyone gets the hammer. 

Y’all weaponized the LITERAL effing police & ICE against us, violating our privacy to dox a whole list of Black & Brown people’s real names to the literal cops, getting them detained and almost arrested by the literal FEDS, lying on them to say that they were a physical threat to to your favorite white blonde blorbo Sam Reid. 

Not that anyone was ever even critical of Lestat the character.

But that they were an IRL THREAT to the actor himself. 

No proof. No evidence. Some of the people targeted weren’t even in attendance–not even in the same state! But they’re Black/Bipoc: BAM!

Y’all racists are effing SICK and disgusting.

And I already know I’m gonna see the usual suspects wring their hands and performatively virtue signal about how appalled and concerned they are and racism is baaaad~! we must do better guys~! Know that I WILL be calling the hypocrisy out, cuz y’all have DIRECTLY CONTRIBUTED to the antiblack racist toxicity in this fandom and I have the receipts to prove it. This is what we have to deal with in this rancid fandom every effing day. 

(Ironic AF that Autumn Brown herself contributes to this herself with some of her antiblack takes, but I’ve spoken on her multiple times before.)

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That song was WILD, it's stuck in my head now. 🤣

And then I'll walk outside like "What's going on?" but everyone's gonna know it was me. But they can't say sh*t, cuz I'll deny it, and report it anonymously~!

That's it right there. The anonymity of the internet. That's why people really do this stuff, cuz they think they can get away with it. Most doxxers DO get away with it! Esp. since the law itself doesn't take doxxing seriously enough--it's not even illegal in most states. (Swatting's illegal, but does it count if the doxxers didn't call the cops directly themselves?)

Esp. since it usually just occurs in fandom spaces, which people think is stupid & frivolous child stuff anyway. And sometimes the doxxing IS done by very young & very immature people who DON'T understand to not play around with the cops. So this is what ends up happening, when people think they can just sic the cops on people they don't like, cuz people do it on the regular anyway.

People will doxx AND stalk you over the pettiest shit so you "know your place", especially if you're marginalized. Must be nice to have all that extra time, and money and energy to wreck someone's life over the lowest of stakes.

You know the context of what's happening in the larger world. Nobody believes you don't no matter your level of disconnect with it, so saying "I didn't know" isn't plausible anymore.

Far too many people have problems directing their obsessive energy in non-destructive ways. I'd say get a hobby, but this is what they do in their hobby. Or touch grass, but they'd probably start throwing little pieces of rocks in people's eyes and then claim they're too innocent to know better, just uwu babies throwing friendly rocks.

Don't pattern match too much. You might connect this behavior to the reasons why your parasocial crushes don't feed your content machine all that much or post absolutely nothing.

It's just lagniappe that people you don't want in your precious fandom have to look over their shoulders and watch what they put out there in order to participate. You don't even have to do the doxxing, just stand back and let the stalkers and doxxers do their thing and chase people out or make them quieter or silent.

Old Navy Commercial for snitches. You are exactly that basic, spiritually soccer mom lawn guy aged middle schooler.

I don't know who these doxxers are, public space doesn't belong to you, you don't own that little bit of turf, you're renting it from whatever corporation bought it from the author.

Your vibe:

In this crazy world, I can't believe I found someone like you Who shows love the way we do By calling the cops, instead of sex, huh When I grab my binocular-os See you through them and my eyes narrow On my front lawn, I saw you lookin' Have fun at central booking

..Cause I got one small corner (Here I go)And it's mine to defend (I'm addicted to handcuffs)So I will do my duty and call it in Oh, hell, yeah, motherfucker, oh

Observe: Everyone thinks weaponizing the panopticon won't ever boomerang on them.

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IWTV S3 Musings - GabriellA's HairGate

@deepalienstudentshepherd I'm splitting your ask to focus on GabriellA's hair.

I'm SO excited for S3; not even GabriellA's cheap AF wig can kill my buzz--but omg HOW can fix that in post???? 😩 Only thing that can save that is reshooting absolutely everything, which I REALLY don't see them doing, so I fear the hair's here to stay, alas. 💀

My question is why AMC decided to give her that hair in the first place. Cuz it's not just the color, its the texture, too. She looks like she's wearing MARIUS' wig. 🤦 Where's her iconic Safari Braid? If they were gonna cut it short, it should've been SUPER short, Pixie Cut or something. No matter what, that was A CHOICE.™

To Wig (Out), or Not to Wig (Out)?

Like, obvs it's a wig on her actress, but is it supposed to be a wig in-universe, too? 🤔 book!Gabrielle was dying of consumption/tuberculosis, but apparently TB doesn't cause hair loss, it's the antibiotics, or other dietary/hormonal issues not directly caused by the disease. So if AMC!Gabs was losing her hair as a human, it shouldn't be due to TB. But other illnesses--plus lice--could lead people to buzz their hair off (x x).

Then there's the practice of men AND women shaving their heads to make wearing fashionable periwigs/perukes easier.

But GabriellA's has the same hair in the 1700s AND the 2020s, so maybe it's her natural hair? Which ofc raises a BUNCH of questions, cuz her son Lestat's hair looks nothing like hers (which it's supposed to, a la the books explicitly saying so. But fine! Eff the books!). Esp. cuz the wigs they wore back then just wouldn't look like that at all.

Which makes me VERY curious about the AMC!Lioncourt's finances, and exactly how poor they're gonna be. Cuz this 👇 hair is just NOT fashionable for 1760s - 1790s France.

The Lioncourts were French nobility--broke AF, but still holding the hereditary title of Marquis & Marquise, even if they never set foot in the shadow of Versailles. So just how much did the AMC!Lioncourts bother to keep up appearances wrt fashion? Did they just schlep around like country bumpkins? Clearly not though, if this dude's supposed to be Lestat's dad:

He doesn't look THAT poor. Maybe not Versailles Couture Realness, but nowhere near what I was expecting from the indigent blind cripple whose chateau was crumbling around his ears. UNLESS that is the Marquis BEFORE he went blind, when Lestat was REAL young. (But he still looks way more French Revolution, a la 1790s.)

But if anything, AMC!Gabs' hair looks closer to the 1750s - 1760s, BEFORE Lestat was born:

But by the 1770s, the iconic big-haired Pouf / High Roll was peak fashion for French nobility. And it just got bigger & bigger in the 1780s - 1790s, when Lestat would've been an adult killing wolves and such--ESPECIALLY by the time he and his mother were both vampires.

Aside from the anachronistic STYLE, there's also the texture & color.

Her hair's BONE straight, which isn't what 18th century wigs looked like either--curls were all the rage, and the hair was often frizzed before styling, as seen on countless paintings. Most of the cheaper wigs weren't even made from human hair anyway--they used coarser sheep/goat hair instead, cuz the human stuff was way too expensive. So if broke AF AMC!Gabs DOES wear a wig, it shouldn't be this silky white number--that's gotta be hers.

AMC!Gabs' bright white color isn't what a powdered wig looks like either (the white powder made hair dark greyish on brunettes; or more yellowish on blondes). But her hair's just white; which again raises questions: did Gabs go VERY prematurely grey, from illness/stress? Cuz she just doesn't look anywhere near old enough to have a full head of hair being THAT white. It's darn near bioluminescent.

Harpo, Who This Woman?

Cuz like, I remember when fans were posting the first BTS pics of Jam, and people noticed the white-haired lady in a few of photos, and NATURALLY assumed she was gonna be Lestat's lawyer, Christine Claire. I assumed it was Gretchen or Flannery, or ANYONE but Gabrielle. But nope that's his mom--whodathunk!

TL;DR: Eventually, I'll get over the wig. Not TODAY, but one day.

Hair has been the thing I think AMC flubs on the most; it's wild to me that they're even being nominated for an Emmy for hair; I cracked and died. And this whole situation with Gabrielle's hair just further proves that AMC's hairdressers are Chaotic Evil.

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"The people doxxed were supposedly targeted for liking the said problematic white character."

1) Supposedly, since AFAIK, no one KNOWS who did it--accusations are just that: accusations; same way these innocent victims were accused with accusations. I'm not gonna believe anything from anyone until there's an official response from the authorities/SDCC/AMC, cuz this whole situation LITERALLY proved how EASY it is for someone to point to someone's account and go: Stalker! Criminal! and sic the feds on them. It's the exact same issue with the abuse of DMCA strikes on Youtube/Twitch; how people can decontextualize something in order to take LEGAL action against them, and how these dumb AF websites/companies don't do their own due diligence before taking action. Maybe the cops/SDCC let the girls go because they realized how effing dumb they were to take the word of randos online, just cuz someone made a few tweets or knows how to make a spreadsheet on Google Docs/Excel/etc. Hopefully, all these doxxing nutjobs will realize that the cops are involved now, and the fandom as a whole will stop doing this, before someone ACTUALLY goes to jail.

"(Also you don’t seem to realize the term bipoc includes non black people?)"

2) Black/Bipoc people are the victims specifically in this doxxing situation, so I speak about them as a paired group as it related to that specific instance. And I speak more generally to the nonsense Black/Bipocs have been exposed to beyond this specific situation, cuz this is NOT an isolated incident--it's predicated on a whole domino of behavior perpetrated in this fandom, that helped lead to this.

HOWEVER. I ALSO speak on the non-Black PoCs in this fandom who regularly engage in antiblack behavior; where some slick Bipocs think that just cuz they're not white, that gives them carte blanche to talk bad about Black people and claim they're not being racist; playing both sides of the fence to move in whiteness while being minorities. And people take them seriously because they're not white. That is a huge issue in this fandom, too, esp. when YES, it's white people who then RUN to cosign anyone who speaks negatively about the Black/Bipoc characters, using those Black/Bipoc takes as a shield to hide behind to disguise their own antiblackness. So yes, I'm well aware that Bipocs include non-Black people. But it's still Black/Bipocs who get hit with the hammer, regardless of who's got the nail.

"They have expressed gratitude for this video towards the woman you’re using this situation to attack even though she was not involved."

3) Autumn Brown has engaged in the same antiblack rhetoric that other racist people in this fandom have, and I try to avoid watching her channel as much as possible--although it's very hard to avoid her, since she's done so many interviews that deserve to be discussed--but also closely examined when she talks a certain way about certain characters but not others.

But if anyone was gonna speak on this situation, it's GOOD that Autumn did it--she was actually in contact with the victims beforehand; why wouldn't she say something? Besides that though, she's the most famous person in this fandom who's NOT part of the actual show. But I'm not gonna give Autumn a effing cookie for doing the bare minimum, using her platform to raise awareness on how doxxing & racism against extremely vulnerable minority groups needs to effing stop. IMO, if she cared so much about racism and the ways Black/Bipoc people get treated in this fandom; or how discourse about Lestat is based largely on race--which affects how Black/Biopcs interact with this show versus that of other audiences--then she should've spoken out about it YEARS ago, rather than teeheeing doing her own circuit of abuse apologia & victim blaming & mischaracterizations that validates how this fandom disrespects the Black/Bipoc characters. Cuz OF COURSE that bleeds over into how the actors are treated, too!

But it's not even Autumn who should've spoken up! AMC needs to acknowledge how they themselves play into why this fandom's a warzone; not protecting their own actors from fandom backlash; by pretending these problems don't exist or aren't that serious, and refusing each & every opportunity to talk candidly about race, so that people don't fly around with wild takes & conspiracy theories; and come to their own conclusions, and then ACT on them. Esp. when Lestat/Sam Reid is then propped up on a pedestal by none other than Mark Johnson, as the racist white fans try to excuse MJ's behavior as "just a joke," when NO, it's ANOTHER straw on the camel's back. Everything's a joke! Mark Johnson was joking! PlantationGate was a joke! Until people get sick and tired of laughing everything off.

"It seems like you are using their situation to air your own grievances with the fandom"

4) ABSOLUTELY. That's precisely why I made this post, to vent and air out my grievances--I'm glad it came across clearly, that this is a rant! This is not a meta, this is not an objective analysis with full citations and fine-tooth combs. This is me PISSED THE HELL OFF, cuz I'm SICK of EVERYTHING.

If you want objectivity, I have a separate post transcribing what Autumn said; I don't commentate there at all; you can just read what she had to say herself and come to your own conclusions. If you wanna know my take on doxxing & Block Lists specifically, I have a separate post about the larger implications of this situation.

THIS, however, is NOT that kind of post, sorry. 🤷 Cuz YES, I'm pissed about much more than this specific situation--regardless of why they were doxxed; or who did it; or who they're a fan of or not. I don't really care about the details, cuz NONE of it is justifiable or ok. This speaks to my MUCH larger anger at this fandom, that no matter what happens, it's Black/Bipoc fans who suffer the most, and get the worst treatment, and REAL IRL consequences, cuz we're the most vulnerable audience and the easiest targets and the most silenced & underlooked & silenced voices. No one listens to us or cares, until it becomes a gigantic effing situation. THAT is the point of why I made this post.

"missing the point that no online take, including liking a problematic character or having takes you deem problematic or anti black takes about a tv show, warrants doxxing someone and calling the cops on them or acting insane and having a targeted hate campaign towards them."

5) I didn't "miss" the point--like I just said: this post isn't about that. Anyone who's too stupid to need it spelled out to them that doxxing is bad~! shouldn't be online at all. I talk about a LOT of things beyond doxxing; cuz this situation reflects a LOT of things beyond doxxing. Which is why I focused on the larger treatment that Black/Bipoc fans of IWTV have been facing since day one. Doxxing is just one more coal, esp. when YES, it's the white heffas in this fandom who disregard situations like this and act like it's ok to talk down on people going to a effing IRL plantation for funsies; or say that (fictional) Black characters weren't victims of abuse cuz they're evil amoral/immoral monsters who still "deserved" to get lynched; and everything bad that happens to them is "karma" and that a racist effing Trial was justified and not racist at all~!; and openly call the Black characters the actual N-word in their egregiously antiblack fanfiction that they published online for everyone to see, reflecting EVERYTHING the racists have BEEN doing, that makes Black/Bipocs so effing heated in the first place.

That is the level of psychosis happening in this effing fandom that I'm speaking on; that fosters the kinds of sentiments that make egregious actions like this all but inevitable. Cuz there ARE unhinged parasocial people who take things too far and apply fandom to real life; regardless of who's innocent or guilty! They see someone else do/say something wild and get away with it, so they're off and running, too, either in the same or opposite direction! And AMC doesn't do EFF ALL about it but make matters worse, when they themselves don't have the balls to speak about race & racism with enough clarity for this braindead fandom to soak up without making it seem like abuse apologia & weaponizing racism is okay. No wonder the fandom's a effing wreck!

Let’s Talk About SDCC 2025 - Autumn Brown (The IWTV fandom is RACIST AF and lost its effing mind!)

I was told about this situation when it happened, and was gonna add it to my next IWTV Intersectionality & Racism post, because it was a racially-targeted attack on Black/Bipoc fans and friends who were victims of doxxing and the kinds of Block Lists that people in this racist & antiblack effing IWTV fandom love to circulate online when they have childish AF petty AF personal beefs & disagreements about fandom nonsense. 

I’ve had a whole section about the SDCC situation sitting in my draft, and I was really unsure about what to say about or if I should include the tweet screencaps or not–but I’m SO glad that I waited, and that the most very popular white woman y’all love so much has spoken on this. Cuz y’all white & non-Black heffas just don’t listen or respect Black/Bipocs fans anyway, unless they’re the ONE token you need to hide behind to prove how not-racist y’all are, all while sprewing the vilest filth to gaslight the fandom into thinking It’s Not About Race~! #THOSE PEOPLE #THEM are just so stupid & media illiterate & are just making up crap about racism & micro/macroaggressions, here’s is a whole block list of Black/Brown people you should all stay away from cuz they’re soooo toxic for ruining my fun as I fantasize about Sam Reid/Lestat. 

But even that wasn’t good enough for y’all. You had to CRIMINALIZE innocent people, IRL! It was SO appropriate that Autumn called the main victim “Claudia,” cuz THIS IS A STONING.

Over FANDOM garbage! Over something they literally weren’t even guilty of! 

Y’all hate us Black/Bipoc fans collectively, and this is the low level you stoop to; wildly firing at anyone you can, just because you can. Black/Bipoc fans DARE to say: Hey, this white character is problematic! Abusive even! So everyone gets the hammer. 

Y’all weaponized the LITERAL effing police & ICE against us, violating our privacy to dox a whole list of Black & Brown people’s real names to the literal cops, getting them detained and almost arrested by the literal FEDS, lying on them to say that they were a physical threat to to your favorite white blonde blorbo Sam Reid. 

Not that anyone was ever even critical of Lestat the character.

But that they were an IRL THREAT to the actor himself. 

No proof. No evidence. Some of the people targeted weren’t even in attendance–not even in the same state! But they’re Black/Bipoc: BAM!

Y’all racists are effing SICK and disgusting.

And I already know I’m gonna see the usual suspects wring their hands and performatively virtue signal about how appalled and concerned they are and racism is baaaad~! we must do better guys~! Know that I WILL be calling the hypocrisy out, cuz y’all have DIRECTLY CONTRIBUTED to the antiblack racist toxicity in this fandom and I have the receipts to prove it. This is what we have to deal with in this rancid fandom every effing day. 

(Ironic AF that Autumn Brown herself contributes to this herself with some of her antiblack takes, but I’ve spoken on her multiple times before.)

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IWTV Musings - My Next Intersectionality Post--TBD

Pt3 of my Racism & Intersectionality, in Hollywood and in Fandom Spaces series was supposed to be posted a week ago. But it's been sitting in my Drafts, because it was about Doxxing & Block Lists. Crazy enough, it had nothing to do with the whole SDCC 2025 situation. I was actually gonna talk about the toxic practices right here on Tumblr, that have been happening since early 2023--mere months after S1 finished. I'd included a small segment about SDCC, but it was within a much larger framework speaking on fandom bad practices in general, not the SDCC specifically. I wanted to talk about the toxicity on BOTH sides of IWTV's fandom, and how both white/non-Black AND Black/Bipoc fans have participated in disgusting Block Lists & Doxxing practices, right here on Tumblr, that have contributed to making this fandom unsafe online & IRL. I was gonna talk about the Twitter video call that happened in November 2024 (during PlantationGate), where Black/Bipoc AND white / non-Black superfans were cussed TF out for their toxic behavior and refusal to take accountability--and y'all KNOW who y'all are.

But I'm SO glad that I decided to postpone all of that, and just talk about the implications of IWTV's name change to TVL for Pt2 instead. Cuz as more information/discourse is happening (following Autumn Brown publishing a video on the topic last night), and as fingers are being pointed left & right at Tom, Dick, and Harry; I REALLY wanna wait and see if the SDCC/cops address this themselves, and actually identifies the guilty party, before I say what I really wanna say. There's WAY too much speculation, when not even the racially-targeted Black/Bipoc victims know who doxxed them and almost got them arrested. But already, it's Black/Bipoc fans who are being accused the most; made easy targets while no one actually waits for FACTS. This is ironic AF, cuz like I said, my post was gonna talk about the bad practices on BOTH sides of this fandom--white AND Black. BOTH sides have engaged in this type of behavior--white/non-Black people included. But now it's ONLY the Black/Bipoc fans who are being 1) targeted by cyberbullies, and 2) accused of being cyberbullyies?! That, in and of itself, says FAR too much about how this fandom really moves, as white / non-Black people suddenly try to ignore/deny/obfuscate their own participation in the exact same doxxing/blocking practices, just cuz they got dirt on people on the opposite side whom they hate, and can make easy targets, when they haven't even been confirmed to be the actual guilty party--yet their accounts are the only ones everyone's pointing to! Deflection & misdirection, & gaslighting at its best. 👏 What if they're NOT the guilty party? The true perpetrator gets away, and the innocent are once again targeted. This is dangerous.

It's a common Tumblrina adage that IWTVTWT is the 9th circle of Hell that should be avoided at all costs for sanity's sake--like Twitter's some anomaly, a peripheral phenomenon that we're above. But NO. The only difference with Twitter & Tumblr is SCALE. There's WAY more people on Twitter, so they just get bigger portions of the same meal. The exact same insanity happens right here on Tumblr that happens on Twitter, Reddit, Discord, etc. A lot of people on Tumblr are ALSO actively on those sites. A lot of Tumblr content is reposted from Twitter/etc; and vice versa. Youtubers get clipped on Twitter/etc. And the mess inevitably follows. Online fandoms are NOT a vacuum, where we can all just isolate ourselves in an echo chamber or closed silo and pretend that Tumblr is immune or better than the rest of social media. NO it ain't.

TL;DR: NO ONE is innocent. Santiago said it best: EVERYONE is complicit. And it's not just Twitter/etc; people get doxxed & named on Block Lists right here on Tumblr, too. And y'all know who y'all are who do it, posting entire Block Lists FULL of people YOU don't get along with for everyone to harass across, who literally had NOTHING to do with anyone--just guilty by association cuz of your cliques/Klans. So don't sit around acting acting shocked & hurt now that it's officially become a legal issue, and can't be contained to just getting yelled at in live chats anymore.

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Omg a Kuroshitsuji fan! 😍 How far have you caught up? I haven't gotten to the Public School Arc yet, but I hear it's wild.

Are you talking book!Armand or AMC!Armand? Are you talking anime or manga? Either way, this is blowing my mind, cuz you're absolutely right!

Marius = Sebastian

Tanaka = Vincenzo / Real Rashid Baldroy = Riccardo Finnian = Benji Mey-Rin = Sybelle

I'm struggling with Lizzy. My knee-jerk is to say Lizzy = Bianca, but she had nothing to Sebastian. 🤔So I'm leaning more Lizzy = Daniel. (Unless it's the Circus Arc, in which case Lizzy = Riccardo.)

Father/Baron Kelvin (Circus Arc) = Santino

Noah's Arc Circus = Children of Satan Beast = Eleni Joker = Nicki

IF Angelina = Alessandra, then:

Grell Sutcliff = Lestat William T Spears = Louis Ronald Knox = Claudia

Undertaker = TWMBK, only cuz of how OP he is in Atlantic/Luxury Liner Arc. 👀 (In the earlier arcs, I'd've said Undertaker = Talamasca (David Talbot (OR) Raymond Gallant?))

So would that make Lau/Ran-Mao = Bianca?

These were the hardest for me, but I think I've decided:

Prince Soma = Zenobia/Mael | Pandora | Eudoxia Agni = Avicus | Arjun | Cyril

This was a fun thought experiment; now I wanna drop everything and marathon BB. 😅

A lot of my fave characters are similar but I realised while catching up on Black Butler recently none quite so much as Armand and Ciel.

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I went against my better judgement and tried to read some comments on Autumn's video and JFC. Unless everybody joined the fandom just a week ago, which I wholeheartedly doubt it, this is not surprising. Any person of color and/or that is at least willing to educate themselves knows how racist this fandom is.

Yet people are so shocked? And praising a white woman for doing the bare minimum about it on a video where it took her eleven minutes to get to the point? And where she seemed almost allergic to saying the word racism? There were the fans that went to the plantation last year, fans that said it was "taken out of context" (one being followed by her on Twitter), the fans who were making racist/islamophobic posts about Assad and joking about Armand being raped... The list goes on.

If you've been here for a while and didn't know, then you're part of the problem for surrounding yourself with other ignorant or straight-up racist people. Because the people of color do talk about it, they just don't get the kind of attention Autumn or white and famous Twitter/Tumblr accounts get (but they get a bunch of trolls gaslighting them, intimidating and telling them to leave the fandom), because most white people avoid talking about race unless it affects their one token black/brown friend or it ends up on the news so they're literally forced to.

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^All of this is giving me HEAVY Loustat, too. 👀

Dating a lot of rich, powerful men that treats poorly: People calling Louis a gold-digger/whore/pimp/ungrateful cuz Lestat bought him the Azalea & townhouse, etc.

The lovebombing.

Calling all the time, and them running away--Viens a moi; Help me Father, he's in my head! But no one believes Louis at the Trial when Lestat flips Come to Me as if LOUIS was the conniving one who hunted him.

The self-blame, feeling like they deserve being abused--"When your mother sees the Devil in your eyes, it's a hard assessment to abandon. Am I from the Devil? Is my very nature that of the Devil?" | The unhappy housewife | Louis blaming himself for Lestat cheating with Antoinette: "I barely had the energy to hold up a book. My libido was not what it had been. I understood the indulgence. I let it happen"

The messed up childhood: Lestat trauma-dumping his Vampire Loneliness when Louis got mad about the racist Opera House | his past with Magnus and abandonment issues when Louis iced him out for 6 years after beating TF outta him and Dropping him from the sky

The promise to never leave: again with the vampire loneliness, Claudia's turning night, etc

The rushed marriage, no prenup.

Him being younger than her, so she's seen as more "sophisticated" or mature (but there's also that implicit controlling & conniving/again assumption again, when younger men are dommed by older women, looking for a surrogate mother figure): This was the most interesting part IMO, esp. cuz with book!Loustat Louis actually was "older;" he was turned at 25yo and Lestat was turned at 20yo. Lestat was never as sophisticated/mature; plus there was the whole youngest-son vs oldest son dynamic. Most interestingly, Anne Rice was also older than her husband Stan Rice--only by a year, but still. (And with her own parents, her mom was a whole10 years older than her dad). So the blueprint was there with Loustat from the beginning. But AMC flips it to make Lestat turned at 34 and Louis turned at 33--but Lestat still acts like he's way younger, a giant manchild.

And ofc there's the whole autobiography she wrote, which Mike said was full of lies and tried to sue her over--and we're seeing the same thing pan out with Loustat.

Esp. since their divorce heavily focused on their baby dying--and ofc Loustat has dead Claudia between them.

And yet people swear Louis' not female-coded. 😅

interview with the vampire 2022 / in retrospect episode 17: the vilification of robin givens / barbara walters' 1988 interview with mike tyson and robin givens

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Let's Talk About SDCC 2025 - Autumn Brown (Racism & Doxing, since she doesn’t mention the RACIAL aspect in her title or description)

I’m getting a lot of messages about this, so here’s a transcript for people who don’t want to watch the whole thing:

Hi there guys. It's your favorite girl in the world, Autumn Bottom Brown. I know that you guys have been anxiously awaiting my video on all of my thoughts on the San Diego Comic-Con panel, BTS video, trailer, all of that deliciousness that we got. And um no, this is not that video. And before you click off, I don't ask a lot. I don't ask a lot of you guys. I'm going to ask that you watch this video in its entirety, because there is a situation that occurred on July 26th, 2025, the day of the Interview with the Vampire panel, that I really feel like should be discussed. And honestly, it's been taking a lot of my focus and holding a lot of space in my mind, and kind of keeping me from wanting to make that video, cuz to be honest, I'm feeling pretty discouraged by this situation in general. So, stick it out with me, please. (1:10)

If you've never watched my videos before, as I said, my name is Autumn Brown. I love all things Interview with the Vampire. That's why I attended--and many other people within the fandom came to attend--Comic-Con this year. It's to see our favorite creators and actors on stage for a highly anticipated Season 3 of Interview with the Vampire. I'm just going to call it that to be less confusing. (1:36)

So, let's go back: Saturday morning, I wake up to a text from my friend Amber, who's just sent me the post from AMC Anne Rice Immortal Universe, saying that they're giving out The Vampire Lestat signed posters--a limited amount over at the Clown in the Cornfield Activation. So, they've just posted this.... I get there, I don't see the tent. I don't see where they're giving out the poster.... So Amber texts me back and she says, "Hey, one of my friends,"-- and for anonymity's sake, we're going to call her Claudia, cuz she wishes to remain anonymous. Although, if you're on Twitter and you already know about the situation that I'm getting to, you probably know who it is, but I'm going to honor her wishes and we're going to call her Claudia. [Amber] says, "I'm pretty sure that Claudia is waiting in line at the Clown in the Cornfield as well. You guys should wait in line together." And I'm not very familiar with Claudia. Previously, a couple days before San Diego Comic-Con, she reached out to me saying, "Hey, we should, if you're feeling up to it, we should meet up, sit together at the panel." And I said, "Yeah, sure." Very nice conversation, very nice gal. So I said, "Yeah, let her know that I'm here, and we should wait in line for these 3.5 hours together." And I don't hear back from Amber for a bit.... I start looking around for [Claudia], based on the picture that I'd seen from her Instagram profile. And I don't see anyone who looks like her.... However, there is a reason I didn't see Claudia at Clown in the Cornfield, because she was there, and we should have been waiting in line together. Stick with me, guys. We're getting there. (4:13) 

That morning, Claudia and her friend--let's call her friend Madeleine--set out to San Diego Comic-Con. They have a Day Pass. Her friend has been going to SDCC for over a decade. Her friend has a professional pass, so she was able to buy a pass for Claudia. They go that morning.... They do registration. They pick up their badges.... [Claudia] goes to walk back in through the convention hall. And if you've never been to San Diego Comic-Con, essentially you get badges, and as you walk in, there are these little barricades on either side of the door, and you swipe your badge over the barricade and it lights up green, and that means your badge is good. You can make it through. If it shows red, then the person stops you.... Initially when she picked up her badge, and went in the first time, totally fine. Not an issue. She swipes it now. comes up red... She tries at a different barricade. It doesn't go through. They try it a couple more times. It's not working. So, at this point, the worker says, "I don't know what's going on, but if you go to Badge Issues...they can help you out, figure out what's going on with your badge, and get all of this sorted." (6:07) 

...She talks to Badge Issues, and the lady pulls up her name, and then she kind of pauses and she says, "Hm, I've never seen this before! Give me a minute. Let me go get my supervisor and figure out what this is." So, at this point, Claudia's like, "Okay, this is weird. Maybe there's an issue with the badge." She's there as the guest of her professional friend, [Madeleine]. So, she calls [Madeleine], has the friend come up and meet her...if there's an issue with her badge or her credentials or whatever, she's the person who could probably help the most in this situation. So, [Madeleine] meets her up there. The lady's off talking to a group of around 4 people now, and Claudia starts to get the feeling, they've been gone for too long. They've been talking for too long. Something fishy is up.... (7:01)

Eventually, there's a tall man who comes over to them and just essentially starts out with questioning, and asks something to the effect of, "What are your intentions in attending Comic-Con today?" And [Madeleine] says, "See some panels, go check out the exhibition hall, you know, just see what Comic-Con has to offer, like what I've always done." And he kind of smirks and he says, and I wrote it down: "This will be easier if you tell the truth. We know 7:38 what you've done." (7:40) 

To which both Claudia and Madeleine are quite confused, cuz they don't know what they've done! So they they question back what he means. And he essentially just tells them, "Just tell us why you're here. Tell us what you're really doing." (7:56) He’s not giving them any information. They're asking questions, on what this is all about. He's not answering any of them. And eventually he just smirks and he says: “Sam Reid.” (8:10) 

The professional friend [Madeleine] doesn't even watch 8:13 this show... They don't know who Sam Reid is. They say, "Who?” And the man says, “Tell us the truth. we know why you're here.” (8:28) And again, they say, "What? What is this? What are you talking about?" (8:33)

And he pulls up a list of names, and he starts rattling off names, and he says, "Do these names mean anything to you?" And he's going and he's going and Claudia doesn't recognize any of the names, until finally two of them she recognizes from people that she's talked to on Twitter. One of which being my friend Amber. (8:52) And so it suddenly it flags in Claudia's mind, is that maybe are these Twitter followers? Are these people who I follow on Twitter. What does this have to do with anything? (9:00) 

So, she follows up with, “I don't really know. I mean, I know Amber. I know Madeleine, but I don't know if those are their last names. I don't even know their last names. I just recognize those two names from people that I've talked to on the internet. But that's it.” (9:19) In between it all, he's talking to other Comic-Con personnel.... And she hears the term stalker being thrown out, which just floods her mind with all sorts of scenarios. (9:41)

The man continues to ignore their repeated requests for context and understanding. But it becomes clear by the conversations that he's having with the other people that it has been alleged that Claudia--perhaps the people on the list as well--are here to pose a threat to Sam Reid. (10:00) I think it's also important to note that most of the people on the list weren't even at SDCC. Sure, some of them are friends and know each other. Other people aren't even affiliated with each other. So keep that in mind, because it seems like a very specified targeted list of people (10:17). 

And the man turns to them and tells them, "No matter what you say, the police are on the way." (10:24) And he tells them that they are going to be detained. (10:30) 

....No questions have been answered for Claudia and Madeleine, but all they know is all of a sudden the cops are getting called on them. (10:38) ...They're sitting here thinking that they're about to be arrested, and don't know why. They have no understanding why. Eventually when the cops do come, they tell them you're not going to be arrested. However, you're going to be escorted out of the building, and if you take one step back on this block, you will be arrested. (11:00) Meanwhile, they [cops have] taken their IDs 2 different times. SDCC has too. The cops took their ID again, took Claudia's passport, made a copy of it, asked for her address. Meanwhile, they're asking what this has to do with anything, and the man only gives him, “You know, you already know, you know what you've done.” (11:24) So, their passes are revoked. They are banned from San Diego Comic-Con and whatever other affiliated cons that Comic-Con puts on. If they are seen setting foot back on the block, they will be arrested. Their name is surely in some sort of report or file for the police. No, they weren't arrested. But again, the [cops/SDCC] filed those reports away. (11:51) 

They have Claudia's address, which mind you, Claudia is Mexican-American. Madeleine, Argentinian American. Claudia is a natural-born citizen. Both of her parents are natural-born citizens. However, she's been posting over and over and over again on social media about concerns about ICE, especially where she lives in LA--which, as we all know, has been repeatedly hit with people being illegally detained and sent off to immigration centers and out of the country! Madeleine on the other hand is a naturalized citizen along with her family. They fled Argentina to escape dictatorship. The exact type of people who are being targeted by this [Trump] administration! (12:39) 

...To have this happen to a Brown person in Southern California, where ICE is known to be repeatedly taking people? It seems like a very targeted and purposeful intimidation tactic on whoever it was who sent off this list of names and reported Claudia and all these other people (12:39). 

I called Claudia up yesterday, cuz I wanted to get her perspective of everything. And she doesn't know what the cops did with her information.... She told me she's under the assumption right now, that since they have her passport information, she can't fly anywhere, because she's afraid it's going to flag that she's a potentially violent person if she tries to leave the country and tries to come back. As she said, she heard the term stalker get thrown around. If she's on a list for San Diego Comic-Con, if she were to get charges pressed against her as a stalker, she could be put on a Predator's List. That'll affect her life for the rest of her life. (13:41) 

And [Madeleine], her friend who's not even associated with the show, doesn't even know anything about it, also got brought down in this; all because of what someone--or multiple people--out there within this fandom are so rotted in their brains that they decided to submit false reports to San Diego Comic-Con that these people posed a threat to Sam Reid, to that person, or other persons. (14:16)

I have to ask quite sincerely, what the ever loving [__] is wrong with you? Do you not have any sense of consequence? This is damaging [__]! Okay, the list of names has not been released to Claudia, so she's just going based off of what she can remember. But of the names that she can pull out and remember, I don't feel like it's coincidental, largely feature Black and Brown people within the [IWTV] fandom. And this wasn't handles or Discord server names and stuff like that. These were government names that whoever compiled this list went out and found. (14:50) 

It's just really not passing the sniff test here about not being racist as [ __ ]. In this political climate of police brutality, of the priorly mentioned ICE raids, you're going to pull a stunt like this and try to get people detained [by the law]? For what? Fandom disagreement, because they like a character that you don't [ __ ] like?! I don't know if it's just worms in your brain, or jealousy, or that you couldn't be there and experience it for yourself. I don't know. I don't know if it's just a maladaptive way of growing up with the world and you're just a [ __ ] child. But grow the [ __ ] up. (15:31) 

Congratulations.... You've inflicted ongoing trauma, okay. When I was talking to [Claudia] she was like, "Yeah, I just don't even want to go out anymore. I don't want to be out in the world." (15:51) ....All she wants is to know that she can go through life and not have to worry about being put on some sort of watch list. (16:25) ...This is someone you don't even [ __ ] know.... This didn't just land on her and this person that you dislike. Someone that you don't have any knowledge of has also been affected by this as well, in an equal way. (16:51) 

I hope that you grow from this. No one is irredeemable. I think that maybe you can learn a lesson from this and understand that actions have consequences. And I hope that you do. I hope you get off the [ __ ] internet, because you need it. You need to go out and [ __ ] talk to real people in real time. Learn a thing or two about 17:11 people's experiences in life. And maybe the people that you're talking to on the internet won't be your little Sims that you just want to [ __ ] over and feel like there's there's no repercussions for that. (17:25) 

There's such a level of toxicity in all fandoms, but I've seen it so much in this fandom, of trying to moralize every single behavior that you do, or every single opinion that you have. Guys, if you don't like someone, there's a lovely feature called blocking. And if that is not enough, maybe you need to get off the internet, at least for a bit. (17:47) ...Even when you're arguing, it gives you something to pass the time and feel like you're doing something in the world. I get it. But when that thing that you're doing in the world is causing harm to others, it's time to log off. Okay? It's time to log off. If this is this important to you that you're going to come up with false accusations for people, stop watching the show. You don't need it. Okay? Clearly, it's having a terrible effect on you. If you think this TV show is really all this serious to cause this type of real life damage to other people, you need to stop watching TV, okay? You need to do some self-reflection. You need to do some meditation. I don't care what the [ __ ] you do. You deserve to feel just a modicum of what you've made all these other people feel. (18:45)

Claudia in our call, she 20:00 said, "I just felt like a criminal. I felt like a criminal, but I had no idea what crimes I was accused of.” They were given no information to be able to reach out and follow up and try to get this sorted out and figured out. (20:12) ...They weren't allowed to defend themselves--what happened to innocent until proven guilty? (20:42) ....Where is the evidence? Why was none of that submitted to these girls? Why were they given no information? Why were they just escorted off by police without any indication of what they'd done? (21:20) ...[Claudia] wants a clean slate. She doesn't want to be labeled as a stalker or a threat. Cuz here's the thing, she can't afford representation. She can't pursue this legally. She does not have the money for that. (22:13) Now she and all these other people are banned.... I don't think it's asking for too much for her to have her name cleared. (22:36) ...But instead, she felt vilified. (23:43) 

And once again, in this day and age and with our administration, where Chicana, Latina, Hispanic, people of color all across the board are being vilified 23:59 and made into criminals for whatever reason to fit this White America agenda, It's just really shows a lack of empathy. They've both also had ICE raids happen in their neighborhoods. So to put them through this ordeal once again really feels like a racist intimidation tactic. And if whoever this was did not consider that factor, that's still a product of racism, because you failed to understand what someone else's experience would be outside of your own. (24:44) 

...So have empathy for others, even people you don't like and don't agree with, and just try to imagine what their experience could be in the world and how something like this could be really [ __ ] traumatizing. (25:18) ...[IWTV] is not that serious. If you disagree with someone, that's okay. It is okay. Let it be. All right? We don't need to get into all these [ __ ] arguments about every single thing and allowing it to build and build and build to where we have such disdain for other people in 25:54 the fandom that they're going to do 25:56 that. It's ridiculous. (26:00) Be kind to one another. (26:18)

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You don't have to publish this, but I saw your post about Autumn's video, and I just wanted to point out that the people who were doxxed actually are Lestat/Sam fans (I know who they are on Twitter) so that's not what the situation is about.

Oh I know who they are, the main target even had me blocked ages ago, LOL.

It was that Black/Brown people are targeted EN MASSE in this racist effing fandom. Just like you said, they're actual FANS of Lestat/Sam Reid, and were STILL targeted, cuz this braindead racist fandom automatically assumes that this is an Us vs #Them thing, that Black/Bipoc fans collectively hate Lestat and are a literal THREAT to Sam Reid himself. People who have nothing to do with the actor, who weren't even in attendance at SDCC, people who had left the fandom months ago cuz it got too toxic, and were STILL listed. The main targets were Latina, but according to the tweets there were multiple BLACK fans that were listed on the Block/Dox list too, who spoke out on Twitter cuz they got caught in the crosshairs as well.

This is WILD behavior.

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Let's Talk About SDCC 2025 - Autumn Brown (The IWTV fandom is RACIST AF and lost its effing mind!)

I was told about this situation when it happened, and was gonna add it to my next IWTV Intersectionality & Racism post, because it was a racially-targeted attack on Black/Bipoc fans and friends who were victims of doxxing and the kinds of Block Lists that people in this racist & antiblack effing IWTV fandom love to circulate online when they have childish AF petty AF personal beefs & disagreements about fandom nonsense. 

I’ve had a whole section about the SDCC situation sitting in my draft, and I was really unsure about what to say about or if I should include the tweet screencaps or not--but I’m SO glad that I waited, and that the most very popular white woman y’all love so much has spoken on this. Cuz y’all white & non-Black heffas just don’t listen or respect Black/Bipocs fans anyway, unless they’re the ONE token you need to hide behind to prove how not-racist y’all are, all while sprewing the vilest filth to gaslight the fandom into thinking It’s Not About Race~! #THOSE PEOPLE #THEM are just so stupid & media illiterate & are just making up crap about racism & micro/macroaggressions, here’s is a whole block list of Black/Brown people you should all stay away from cuz they’re soooo toxic for ruining my fun as I fantasize about Sam Reid/Lestat. 

But even that wasn’t good enough for y’all. You had to CRIMINALIZE innocent people, IRL! It was SO appropriate that Autumn called the main victim “Claudia,” cuz THIS IS A STONING.

Over FANDOM garbage! Over something they literally weren’t even guilty of! 

Y’all hate us Black/Bipoc fans collectively, and this is the low level you stoop to; wildly firing at anyone you can, just because you can. Black/Bipoc fans DARE to say: Hey, this white character is problematic! Abusive even! So everyone gets the hammer. 

Y’all weaponized the LITERAL effing police & ICE against us, violating our privacy to dox a whole list of Black & Brown people’s real names to the literal cops, getting them detained and almost arrested by the literal FEDS, lying on them to say that they were a physical threat to to your favorite white blonde blorbo Sam Reid. 

Not that anyone was ever even critical of Lestat the character.

But that they were an IRL THREAT to the actor himself. 

No proof. No evidence. Some of the people targeted weren’t even in attendance--not even in the same state! But they’re Black/Bipoc: BAM!

Y’all racists are effing SICK and disgusting.

And I already know I’m gonna see the usual suspects wring their hands and performatively virtue signal about how appalled and concerned they are and racism is baaaad~! we must do better guys~! Know that I WILL be calling the hypocrisy out, cuz y’all have DIRECTLY CONTRIBUTED to the antiblack racist toxicity in this fandom and I have the receipts to prove it. This is what we have to deal with in this rancid fandom every effing day. 

(Ironic AF that Autumn Brown herself contributes to this herself with some of her antiblack takes, but I’ve spoken on her multiple times before.)

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I love all your takes and meta. I had about louis new revenue sources. What if he is funding Lestat tour secretly. What we have heard so far have been fun but nothing that I could see make a large splash. I can see Lestat finding out and crashing out over it.

Thank you so much @deepalienstudentshepherd ! That means a lot to me--I feel bad that I can't ever be SUCCINCT and make shorter posts; it's a curse. 😅

About the tour & the avenues of revenue--I honestly don't know. 💀 AMC loves pulling all kinds of shenanigans, doing their own thing separate from the books, which makes them hard to predict--(no one saw the GabriellA crap coming, with that busted wig and her name changing)--so IDEKWTF Rolin's S3 vision is at this point. 🤷 The popular fan theory's that the Loustat boardroom teaser is Lestat demanding compensation, suing Louis/Daniel/etc for defamation. I dunno how that case could ever stand up in a court of law, but wtvr.

But if I were to GUESS? SPECULATE? I'd be surprised if Louis had anything to do with Lestat's tour, financially.

book!Lestat's tour was 100% independent--book!Louis had no idea what was going on until Lestat was already famous and the Vampire Connection started talking about him. Lestat paid for everything himself, from Magnus' bottomless treasure; and his lawyers set up his career--lowkey nepo-baby / highkey industry plant! XD

But book!Louis did NOT like it that Lestat was putting himself at risk with his concert/tour.

Louis was very concerned that Lestat was gonna get himself killed or captured or worse, and that he'd lose Lestat all over again; this time for good. 💔

But in the end, Lestat refused to back down, and that's when Louis agreed to come with Lestat on the tour and be there for him, even if they came to danger/disaster. ❤️

So with AMC, I dunno, I guess it all depends on when Louis finds out that Lestat was serious about the tour he said he'd be going on in the 2x8 reunion (which some antis SWEAR never happened); and when he first found out Lestat really was starting a rockstar career. 🤔

Maybe he'd feel guilty about the book and try to give Lestat money as an apology? But I don't see how Louis would feel that money would be enough to soothe Lestat's hurt feelings. Louis already knows good & well how ineffective lovebombing is, when Lestat did it in 1x6. Like, Louis didn't even accept Lestat's alimony checks in Paris. Loustat's whole issue is about miscommunication. They need to TALK, not be throwing money and gifts at each other. And doing it anonymously would literally not benefit their relationship at all, if Lestat doesn't even know that Louis' secretly financing him. Doing that would just be Louis superficially patting himself on the back, while solving nothing. I dunno, I think Lestat would laugh in his face more than crashing out?

Esp. cuz like, AMC!Lestat doesn't NEED Louis' money--he's already a multimillionaire cuz of Magnus. Sam Reid even talked about how Lestat's performative nature stayed even during his recluse years in NOLA--how even though he lived in a rundown SadShack, he was wearing designer shoes and owned state of the art surround sound speakers--Lestat's been rolling in money ever since he became a vampire; he just CHOSE to live like a bum. So I doubt sponsorships would even be solicited by him--esp. not with as controversial as he is; esp. not if people think he's cosplaying a problematic "fictional" vampire from that critically panned book by that has-been Daniel Molloy. But who knows!? 🤷 The key to staying rich is to never spend your own money--which is precisely what book!Christine told him (which he ignored, LOL).

Another fan theory is that Louis' a club owner who runs the venues where Lestat performs. I can see this. My only question is: in which city/cities, exactly? Just NOLA, and the big cities/capitals, or...? 🤔 Cuz looking at the list of tour stops, apparently a lot of these are in bumf**k WASP middle America? 😅 I'm having a hard time imagining Louis owning businesses in any of those podunk places, but hey, I'm a not a club kid--maybe those places are really banging?! So yeah, if Louis has anything to do with Lestat's tour, I could see him owning a venue, or a hotel, or something like that, since we know he was big on real estate even in the 1970s.

My favorite fan theory, ofc, is that Louis' a photographer again. Words can't describe how in love I am with the idea that Louis is the one taking pictures of Lestat on tour--either recreationally, independently, or professionally. And I 100% blame all the Loustat fanfiction for this. So it wouldn't be Louis funding Lestat's tour, but definitely following it.

TL;DR: We shall see~!

Honestly, your guess is as good as mine; no one knows yet. 🤷 But by gosh is the brainstorming fun!

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I just need to point out a few things that stood out to me, especially wrt the misinformation in this post about African American history, and how racist history of America affected the dynamics/reactions Black characters have with certain white characters on this show, which this post starkly downplays if not outright overlooks:

1) The DPDLs were never sharecroppers, their family OWNED the DPDL Plantation.

They were mixed-race Creoles with white slaveowning ancestors. The DPDL Plantation going broke had nothing to do with their race, and everything to do with the fact that Louis' father inherited it AFTER slavery was abolished (in the 1860s), which left most plantations impossible to get fat off of 100% free labor from enslaved Black people. With sharecropping, white slaveowners allowed formerly enslaved Black people to stay on plantations and work on shared plots of land, selling the crops they grew and taking half of their cut or more:

This is NOT the DPDL's situation, either in the book or on the show.

book!Louis was born & raised in France in the 1760s. The DPDLs emigrated to America (right around/after the American Revolution), and built DPDL Plantation, growing indigo during the economic BOOM. The estate only failed after Louis inherited it. Paul died, and Louis became a suicidal gambling alcoholic wastrel. Then he became a vampire, and burned the plantation down once the slaves realized he and Lestat were evil demons preying on them. book!DPDL Plantation only lasted 1-2 generations (Papa DPDL & Louis).

AMC!DPDL Plantation lasted at least 4 generations (Louis probably added an extra "great" in 1x6 cuz that was in the 1970s, and he was already 100yrs old by then, so he had to add an extra ancestral line for math reasons). The Emancipation Proclamation abolished slavery in the 1860s. AMC!Lou was born in 1877 (the same year the Jim Crow started), AFTER the South's economic DECLINE, as both white & Black Americans struggled to stay afloat after the Civil War & Reconstruction. Louis inherited the plantation in 1905--which by that time was just the house itself & his trust fund money; there was no income from sugar farming; whatever business ventures Papa DPDL made were BAD (which is crazy, since sugar is THE cash crop of NOLA). I reckon the DPDLs couldn't compete with the Industrial Revolution & modernization; as sugar factories outpaced sugar plantations:

So Louis cashed his trust and opened businesses in Storyville instead.

PAUL: If Daddy was here, we'd still be in sugar cane. LOUIS: If Daddy was alive, you'd still be locked up in that hospital in Jackson.

2) Bricktop vs the Alderman

The (WHITE) Alderman was too important for a BLACK PERSON to criticize.

Remember, this was 1910. Black people were lynched just for arguing with white folks--(something certain white Americans are SO nostalgic for, LOL)--just look at the Walker Family Lynching of 1908:

--or the lynching of Earnest Williams (1908), or Mr. Hillard [no surname] (1909), or Commodore Jones (1911), or Anthony Crawford (1916), or the arrest of Elisha Harper (1919)--all started cuz a Black person got LIPPY with white folk, which was punishable by DEATH. Mary Turner (1918), a Black pregnant widower, spoke out against her husband's lynching, and what the white mob did to her just for vocally defending herself & her family's name was HORRIFIC.

The ONLY reason Bricktop got away with taking a BASEBALL BAT to the Alderman's SKULL is cuz the Alderman was infatuated with her. He LET her cuss him CLEAN TF OUT, and BRAIN HIM with a deadly weapon, while he just sat there in awe of what "a vision" she was--VALID. 😅 But the split second Louis tried to HELP this racist idiot?

The ONLY reason the Alderman didn't have Louis lynched right then & there was cuz he realized it wasn't just ANY ole n****r who touched him, it was THE owner of the crib he was soliciting where his favorite "cunny" worked.

Remember, this was 1910. Black people were lynched just for accidentally touching white folks--just look at the lynching of Jeff Brown (1916):

--or the lynching of Joseph Richardson (1913), or the (failed) lynching of Daniel Mack (1919)--all started cuz a Black man ACCIDENTALLY touched a white person. God forbid a Black person act in SELF DEFENSE; just look at the lynching of Sam Hose (1899), or Marie Thompson (1904), or Zachariah Walker (1911), or Berry Washington (1919).

So OF COURSE Louis scolded Bricktop for BRAINING the white Alderman, who could've easily had her lynched--which could've EASILY turned into a mob that went after ALL of them. This wasn't about Louis overreacting to her sexual assault, it was about fearing for her LIFE, and his, and everyone else's who worked for him.

3) What Louis *deserves*

Laws exist to protect the rights of businessmen for a reason, regardless of whether that business is ethically/morally sound or not--if it's LEGAL (as prostitution in NOLA was, up until 1917), then the one has the legal right to demand due compensation for their labor, or to shop around for better offers elsewhere. The white men offering Louis 10%, 15%, 15 cents on the dollar was just as unethical as Louis giving his sex workers 5% ownership. Neither of them were splitting the profits fairly for the amount of work they or their underlings were doing.

Which is why capitalism is EVIL, cuz NO worker is fairly paid their fair compensation--most blue collar workers are being grievously underpaid to this day--minimum wage is a effing moral sin. Even athletes & actors & musicians are underpaid, and they're millionaires. And as a vampire, YES, Louis was primed & ready to be an bloodsucking leech feeding off the struggles & miseries of others.

So I basically agree with you here, but I disagree with the way you frame it. It's not about what anyone "deserves," it's about what one is OWED.

4) Louis & Claudia's Diaries

I disagree that Claudia omitted her dreams--I have a whole post about what I think Claudia's dreams represent, cuz they're NIGHTMARES. Claudia omits the fact that she's having night terrors, the same way she refuses to ever speak Bruce's name. It was Claudia trying to deny that her traumas affected her or had power over her--but the same way Louis runs from his trauma, so does Claudia. She can't even be honest with herself in her diaries, her "friend of last resort."

If Claudia felt that the privacy of her diaries had been compromised and didn't trust Louis anymore, she'd've stopped writing in them in 1923, the year Loustat read them. In Paris, she even left her old diaries behind--with LOUIS, in his flat--whenever she was at the Theatre. And he didn't read ALL of her diaries--unlike Lestat--he read the ONE that Lestat gave him, about the 56 Floaters. Louis knew it was the wrong thing to do, "don't do that, it's private!," so he didn't read anymore of them.--unlike Lestat, who DGAF about Claudia's privacy, and laid in her coffin reading ALL if them, throwing her words back at her, "inked with ungratefulness / for both her parents."

YES, Louis tore out the pages where Claudia described her rape--I've discussed this before, cuz in 1x4 Daniel called her "Anne Frank meets Stephen King"--Anne Frank's father removed the sexually explicit content from her diaries, too! Cuz he DID want to respect his daughter's privacy, and not turn her sex life into a spectacle--but the publishers went over his head and put the removed pages BACK IN! Just like Daniel told Louis would happen, "that's the world out there."

I agree with you when you talk about how Louis can't process his own traumas and sexuality, and how that makes him incapable of processing Claudia's either. But I strongly disagree that he "DISREGARDS" Claudia's experiences. That implies that he does not CARE about what she went through, and that he feels her struggles are beneath his own, when that has never been the case.

In 1x6 and 2x3 Louis BEGGED Claudia to tell him about who had hurt her, and she always refused--again: Claudia not wanting to acknowledge her trauma by speaking on it or giving it a name; a VERY common self-comfort method relied on by abuse victims. But when she finally did, Louis was SHOOK.

Jacob Anderson ALWAYS talks about how hard it is for him to play Louis in scenes with Claudia, as a father and a girl-dad, because of how emotional it is and how much he internalizes and infuses HIMSELF into Louis' reactions & behavior. If y'all can look at this FATHER NEAR TEARS listening as his daughter finally shares the horrific details of her rape with him and say that Louis disregarded Claudia's recollection of her experiences, then there is no effing hope for this biased AF bigoted AF fandom, and the fake performative "neutrality" it likes to take when PUNCHING DOWN on Louis, by deliberately MISreading him in bad faith.

5) SanFran Louis

ALL vampires are big fans of punching down, exactly, that's what makes them apex predators at the top of the food chain.

And speaking of Louis' whole thing with killing gay men, I keep noticing how no one ever talks about LOUMAND killing gay men together in 1940s Paris the exact same way Louis did in 1973 SanFran. 👀 Why does this fandom constantly focus on the bad things Louis does in isolation, while conveniently omitting the patterns of behavior he learned and adopted ("the call & response of my entire life") from the equally toxic men around him? 🤔

TL;DR: This fandom has a serious problem of not doing their own research about the history of slavery, Reconstruction, and Jim Crow before they make these kinds of posts. Ignorance about the history of Black African Americans irresponsibly does more harm than good, esp. when this fandom tends to rely on hearsay and confirmation bias to implicitly or explicitly cast judgements on Black characters, without considering deeper relationships and complex dynamics that make this show so nuanced.

today i am thinking about one of louis de pointe du lac’s primary character traits being his eagerness to punch down and how i feel as though this aspect of him gets incredibly defanged within most discussions of him. far from a helpless fool or a stereotypical perfect victim, louis’ relationship to his own victimhood at the hands of lestat, armand, and wider systems of white supremacy is deeply complex. he is a character that comes from a sharecropping family that can no longer turn a profit—likely because of their race—and so he turns to a mechanism of exploitation of primarily black women where we see him onscreen basically tell one of those black women she’s overreacting to being sexually assaulted, and i believe this is because louis not only sees the alderman as too important for a sex worker to criticize, but also as someone he’d like to emulate and have the same social respect as because of a false belief it will relieve him from his subjugation.

louis is a character that is convinced he *deserves* a lot—deserves wealth, deserves a seat at the white man’s table because of his willingness to exploit whatever economic avenues are available, etc. he advocates for himself to “deserve” these things through his participation in primarily misogynoir—his dehumanizing treatment of miss lily for instance, up to and including him and lestat’s first time happening *over her unconscious body* and him not realizing she’s dead until he’s seeking out emotional comfort. it’s essential to note none of this actually erases the realities of white supremacy and that again and again, louis is victimized by it, and again and again he struggles against it with very little tools and no solidarity with others or solidarity from others to him (including lestat’s refusal to understand his experiences when he is the only person in his life for seven years). of course this extends to his treatment of claudia, who, in his misogyny, he was hardly able to comprehend having her own internal world that extended beyond his and lestat’s fight over who she “takes after”/who should be her primary patriarch.

we even see it in his threatening of grace, a character the fandom is honestly incredibly unkind to in their interpretations, despite her being extremely reasonable as she sees her brother participate in systems of exploitation and become increasingly violent. in their relationship i really do believe vampirism is primarily a metaphor for the parasitic ruling class and that louis’ insistence on self actualizing himself and providing for his family at the expense of others is one of the primary reasons their relationship dissolves. grace, who married levi (dark skinned, implied to be less wealthy) doesn’t seem as interested as florence in staying bourgeois for instance. i could make an entire post about how complicated grace and louis’ relationship is and defend grace dpdl all day but that’s for another post.

of course it is lestat who is the head patriarch, mostly by virtue of his whiteness and ability to weaponize it, where he places louis in what’s referred to as a “housewife” like position. once lestat is displaced however—in this case through death—louis’ strangulation on claudia (who is structured in the story as being a replacement for the brothel workers) tightens significantly. claudia is kept from being her own person by both lestat and louis, to the point where she starts omitting things from her diary like her own dreams probably bc she is afraid louis will betray her trust and peruse them again. and dreaming is a very literal internal world—one claudia keeps away from louis bc of how he’s abused access to it in the past, up to and including her sexual encounters. it also doesn’t escape me that the way he discusses her experience with bruce is very reminiscent of fathers believing their daughters have become “unclean”—centering a violent revenge narrative of murdering bruce before really extending anything emotionally helpful to claudia. and *of course* he can’t be emotionally helpful to claudia, because he hasn’t even processed his own experiences with lestat coercing him into companionship and sex.

but he still understands it deep in his bones, the anger and shame it makes him feel, and we see him direct this inability to grapple with his own victimhood to armand, whose victimhood he mocks (also by using language like “good nurse” and “little bitch” both bc because being a victim is emasculating as lestat emasculated him and because if louis sees armand as less of a man he doesn’t need to provide him with emotional bandwidth to consider how their experiences might mirror each other and make louis come to terms with his own abuse). i find the 2x4 bts really interesting because jacob describes seeing armand as more of a “doormat” and “easier to manipulate” than lestat, which is a big motivation for seeing him as a potential companion (and let me actually make the caveat i don’t think this is malicious but moreso that he sees armand as something that needs protection and by golly does ldpdl love resolving himself to save people that might not even need it) and even though this turns out to be untrue, i still think it’s a fascinating look into how louis rationalizes his relationship with armand and how he does see it as a mechanism to reclaim his power and with it his manhood.

in sanfran specifically, he even targets gay men (and v likely survival sex workers with what we know of daniel) during the AIDS crisis, an incredibly vulnerable group that could be killed without any attention from members outside of their community. he lives in dubai where he and armand (also a big fan of punching down on the most vulnerable) keep a blood farm and employ primarily south asian migrant workers in an economy built on the slave labor of those communities. louis is a character that i believe likes to have a layer of separation from cruelty, and a man who wants to be good, but who also has no qualms about using exploitative systems and circumstances to make things convenient and/or affirming for him.

he’s just as complicated as every other character in the show but discussion of him either swings in the direction of refusing to discuss his participation in abuse ever, and it’s frustrating particularly with how much it disregards claudia’s own recollection of her experiences, but at the same time you can hardly fault people for that bc it’s an overcorrection to the other way it swings—where louis is positioned as lestat’s abuser with the same sort of racist defamation 2x7 spent its entire runtime deconstructing. but regardless, iwtv is fantastic at showing how “abuser” and “abused” are not stagnant categories and how many of the characters we empathize with as victims will participate in subjugation of others 1. because they want to be their own person and 2. they’ve only ever seen individuality and power as represented by unilateral violence at the hands of their abusers.

i’m rlly rlly interested in where this will go in s3, because so much of his interview was about accountability for what he did specifically to claudia, but i also love him as the “most vampiric vampire” and how a vampire, by virtue of their existence, cannot escape hurting others. louis just doesn’t necessarily do it through hunting humans for blood, but by hunting them for labor. he devours them still, just in a very different way.

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Thoughts omw to work.

Louis approach to human food is so mundane. My guy dinuguan (Filipino pigs blood stew) exists. Hell, there's quite the amount of blood dishes that exist (that are consumed by humans). Like he could have some Boudin rouge if he wanted something from home. Altho idk if that was in his regular dietary as a human. I'd throw the Catholic card but the Philippines is super Catholic, I just don't know if there's a big difference on how the Catholic west views blood consumption vs a non western country.

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Jacob Anderson on Louis in IWTV S3 (Pt2)

ComicBook: Jacob, the first two seasons we saw Lestat through Louis' eyes. Now that we're shifting gears a bit, and getting Lestat's perspective, how does that change your approach to Louis? Jacob Anderson: I think I'm kind of yet to fully immerse myself in that particular thing? But I think Louis is probably a very confronting figure for anybody. I'm realizing this, like, just now. CB: Just now! JA: He's probably quite a full-on figure to take on--even for someone as extreme as Lestat! [Louis'] a bit of a a headf**k, you know?! He's unhinged in his own way! And so, I think we'll see a little bit more of that. CB: Yeah, I've seen people like that. I mean, they don't suck your blood, but your energy, maybe. JA: There was actually--there was one scene that we [looks to either Sam Reid or Rolin Jones (both out of frame)]--that I did shoot, where I was like: I think I came back to you [Sam? Rolin?] afterwards, and I was like: 'What am I doing!? Who IS this person?!' Yeah.

-- Interview with the Vampire 2025 SDCC, Comicbook.com (5:20 - 6:22)