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#it’s not an anti-queer or anti-wlw headcanon at all
chloefraazers · 2 months
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if you’re in a fandom and seriously upset enough at people shipping different fictional characters than you that you have to make posts about wanting those people to die, maybe it’s you who has a fucking problem?
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punkeropercyjackson · 3 months
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Sorry but i'm still loosing it over the Sasusaku anti who tried to bash Sasusaku shippers on my posting defending them from being called homophobic by pointing out i headcanon Sasuke as a transbian and have gotten nothing but support for it from them and that my mutual that actively ships it agreed that Sasuke works as a transfem character even though she dosen't hc her as such because according to them they only liked it because it's still Sasusaku.Like what fucking world are SS antis living in where shipping something regardless of the identity hcs at play because you love it for the relathionship between the characters and not due to it being m/f is homophobic??????Ntm none of those Sasusaku shippers were anti Sakura x canon girls and a few of them are actually multishippers so this just convinces me even further that people who hate Sasusaku are just misogynists who only pretend to care about queer female characters-I mean look at how they treat Ino and Hinata while claiming to see them as lesbians and all the awful things they say about canon wlw ships for not being Sasunaru💀
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ihateliterature · 2 years
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I'm really sad. Let me tell you why I'm sad
So this whole debate is going on over on twt about wlw content and I see a lot of people giving their experiences with the wlw fandom and it's really disheartening. And from what I see the problem is not that the rest of the queer fandom is overwhelmingly mysoginistic or lesbophobic, it's that the wlw fandom is unbearable
No, really, there are so many people talking about how they've tried joining the wlw fandom but it was too toxic or they were afraid of doing it in the first place because they've seen people who had to deal with them. And the people saying this are not only gay men and transmascs, they are overwhelmingly other queer women
And I understand this, hell, I am one of those ppl afraid of the wlw fandom. That's because every time I've witnessed it they were harassing and dogpilling people for the most minor of things. I can still remember one particular occasion when the author of Percy Jackson tweeted that he sees Artemis as ace and qrts were full of people borderline threatening him and being aphobic until he backed down on it
And this is not the only time. I've seen people getting threats for headcanoning a character as bi or pan, shipped a character with a man or headcanoned a character as ace/aro. I still remember how it was in the SU fandom with Peridot
I wish it wasn't like this. I know for a fact there are nice and civil wlw fans, but a large number of people, myself included, can barely fucking find them behind all the assholes
The explanation, which I gathered from queer women active in the fandom or who used to be part of it, is that the wlw fandom is INFESTED with radfems top to bottom. Which created a hostile environment for EVERYONE including some queer women, especially bi women. All of it leading to a space dominated by radfem ideas, exclusionism and antis. And also to a very stifling creating environment, as many queer women with experience in the fandom I've seen talking about it have said that anything straying from wholesome is heavily policed
And I find it horrible, because so many queer women felt the need to distance themselves from a fandom that is FOR them, because of how toxic it is, depriving themselves of what should have been a wonderful fandom experience alongside other people that can understand and relate to them on that level. I hate it how radfems have infested every corner of the community, warping it and creating conflict. To a point where many of us get red flags when seeing someone with a lesbian pfp because of past experience. It should not be like this. I don't like doing it this, doubting my own family, but I feel like I have to, for my peace of mind at least. And yes, I mean family, because as hard as lesbian separatists tried to drive us away from each other, to make lesbians as insular as possible, to paint transmascs and bi women as traitors to womanhood, lesbians are still my family, just like any other queer out there, and it breaks my heart seeing them becoming the boogie man of online queer spaces and a shield for TERFs
Idk where I am going with this anymore it's just that. . . I'm sad, I wish it wasn't like this
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ok its been literally 15 minutes since the finale ended and im getting off the TOH tag.
I am SO DISAPPOINTED in a certain side of this fandom.
it took less than FIFTEEN MINUTES to see enough "lollllll lumity went canon and huntlow didn't, get WRECKED YOU STINKY STRAIGHTS LOL BURY UR GAYS UNO REVERSE LMAOOOOO HOW DOES IT FEEL NASTY ICKY BAD STRAIGHT SHIPPERS" posts to make me actually consider whether I'd rather the show have had a sad ending.
not bc of huntlow, i ship it but never put any hope or weight on it going canon. I'm not "anti-lumity" or whateverthefuck, I don't really think about ships that much in 99.9% of fandoms.
...yall are just extremely fucking
IMMATURE.
I'm queer. I understand how much pain we've dealt with even SOLELY in terms of media rep. I even understand the glee at the concept of "straightbaiting" actually being a thing that happened here.
I also understand the EXTREMELY JUSTIFIED concern and anger around some parts of the fandom seeming to abandon the BIPOC WLW main character/main ship in favor of the Sad Greasy White Boy Of The Week And His White Straight Girlfriend.
I DO NOT UNDERSTAND why so many "fans" are taking this EXTREMELY POSITIVE, LITERALLY GROUNDBREAKING and immediately turning it against their fellow fans. All this amazing rep, characterization, EVERYTHING and you still find a way to be cruel to your fellow fans.
this isn't a contest.
Lumity is canon.
Huntlow is not.
Huntlow was not a focus of the finale.
I can guarantee you that after that finale, NOBODY was thinking about Huntlow until yall started being fucking mean about it.
YOU brought up the thing you claimed to want the fandom to stop focusing on, for the SINGULAR PURPOSE of enacting some sort of "revenge" on shippers that you projected a whoooole lot of Racism, Homophobia, and Evil onto, despite:
Bi Hunter, Transmasc Hunter, Transfemme Willow, and T4T Huntlow all being EXTREMELY popular hcs/themes in and out of shipping context
A fair chunk of the fandom seeing Willow as BIPOC/East Asian -coded
ALL of the masc presenting queers w parental and/or religious trauma who have spoken out about how seen they feel bc of Hunter
I'm not saying Hunter was a perfect character. He definitely wasn't the main character, or even close.
I'm saying that yall have demonized this part of the fandom SO MUCH that after THAT FINALE.
*THAT. FINALE.*
your FIRST INSTINCT was to ATTACK THEM
over the SHIP (I REPEAT MYSELF) THAT YOU SAID YOU WANTED PPL TO STOP TALKING ABOUT.
I was having a really fun, good, genuine amazing time freaking my shit over Titan!Luz, and Lumity, and Raeda, and King and The Collector and TITAN LUZ!!!!!
yknow. all the stuff the finale was actually about.
and now I'm thinking mainly of huntlow (or at least the discourse around it), angry, and extremely sad that my experience of this finale has been ruined
and that this fandom is the latest to fall into the trap of "blame other fans for actual systemic oppression, regardless of whether or not they are actually upholding it."
I don't know how to get it through your heads that a heavily T4T-headcanoned, likely biracial-coded ship that is CANONICALLY a healing narrative for trauma survivors
is not fucking reylo.
this Evil In Fandom you're angry at 1000% exists but it sure as fuck isn't here.
unless there's a Secret Second Huntlow Fandom That Is Evil And Racist And Hates Lumity that idk abt, this is just a group of sad queer kids sitting next to your own group of sad queer kids
and despite me seeing ZERO ACTUAL HUNTLOW COMMENTS ABOUT THE FINALE * AT ALL *
you, whatever side of the fandom is doing this (I honestly don't know who is making these posts) aren't proving, winning, fixing or righting anything
you're going over to another side of the fandom whose ship didnt go canon
and with ZERO PROVOKATION
you're making them feel like shit for it.
why???
WHY??????
yall "won". you won as much as you can possibly win here. everybody loves the finale. nobody is giving anything but overwhelming love, happy tears, joy and awe to "your" win.
but you still felt the need to make sure someone, somewhere, knew that they "lost".
sry im just so angry at this rn. i was having so much fun. what the fuck is this kind of behavior supposed to prove?
also btw to be clear this is NOT DIRECTED AT ALL OR MOST LUMITY SHIPPERS, LUZ STANS, ETC. ITS NOT EVEN DIRECTED AT "HUNTLOW-ANTIS" EXCEPT THE *SPECIFIC PEOPLE* WHO CHOSE TO USE THE FINALE TO BASH ON OTHERS.
AS FOR THOSE SPECIFIC PEOPLE:
YOU SUCK!!!!!! Thanks for ruining this fantastic experience for me by being a piece of shit on main over some "shipper" crap im not even in.
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Speaking of Terfs, a lot of them seem to be exclusively anti trans women. I've noticed that many of them like the idea of a woman not fitting in with all the girly girls(a lot of the pick mes I used to know are now trans men and gay). But when it's the other way around, when a boy has trouble fitting in with all the dudes and is transfeminine–oh boy. I have almost lost the count of how many heavily transmisogynistic blogs I thought were okay at first bc they had transmasc hc's and stuff. To them gender dysphoria is valid and empowering for trans men but not valid for trans women. Bigots are bigots.
The majority of terfs target trans women. That's not to say they aren't violent to trans men — a lot of people think terfs are more sympathetic to trans men, but I've seen a lot of trans men get called groomers amongst other awful names and get extremely detailed threats of physical and sexual violence against them, as well as overall harrassed and doxed — but sometimes, terfs will see trans men (more specifically, trans boys who are pre-transition on everything) as innocent victims who are being brainwashed by evil trans people. They see these boys as girls who simply are confused, whereas they see trans girls & women as well as transitioned trans men as the abusers to this imaginary victim.
There's also just a lot of transphobic people who won't admit they're transphobic. These people don't mind trans men, but they don't really see them as men but rather tomboys and butches. This doesn't make them uncomfortable because there's tons of women in the world who have short hair and wear pants, but then when they see a trans woman they lose their mind because in their eyes it's a man crossdressing which is completely unacceptable and sexual.
There's also just a lot of modern day fujoshis who fetishize gay men and trans men a lot in fandom spaces. It's easy to spot these people because they only ever care about mlm ships and trans masc headcanons. They typically see lesbians and wlw relationships as accessories to the gay ones and would absolutely never let a character they like be trans fem.
Transmisogyny is so overlooked in fandom spaces particularly. Even queer people get weird about trans women sometimes and simply want to make everything about trans masc & nonbinary people instead. Gross.
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lesbianlake · 1 year
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i-am-extremely-mad · 1 year
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https://www.tumblr.com/thatoneguy56fanfic/722786036703477760/choose-violence-asks-3-6-16-19-and-23
“yellowsalt3 asked:
Choose violence asks: 3, 6, 16, 19, and 23
 Thanks for the ask!
 3. Screenshot or description of the worst take you’re seen on Tumblr.
 Easily the anti-Mako discussion I was part of a few weeks ago. I can’t find the thread because I blocked the OP, but they were basically calling Mako a horrible character because he wasn’t as trusting of Korra as Asami was. Which completely undermines his entire character.
 6. Which ship fans are the most annoying?
 I’m probably gonna get shit for this, but for the sake of honesty: Korrasami. I’ve gotten more shit from Korrasami stans than any other ship in the LOK fandom.
 16. You can’t understand why so many people like this thing (characterization, trope, headcanon etc)
 Probably the trope that villains are always totally evil and completely incapable of redemption. Sure, some characters definitely are irredeemably evil: Vaatu for example. But not all of them are.
 19. You’re mad/ashamed/horrified you actually kind of like…
 The only thing I’m mildly ashamed of liking is probably Omegaverse, lol. I don’t even know why I like it so much, but I do.
 23. Ship you’ve unwillingly come around to
 Amon/Korra and Tarrlok/Korra. I really didn’t want to like either of those ships when I first started exploring LOK fanfiction. But I’ve been slowly coming around to liking them over time, and have even been thinking of writing something for them both.
 #legend of korra#ask me stuff”
My indirect response to some of your answers:
“3. Screenshot or description of the worst take you’re seen on Tumblr.
Easily the anti-Mako discussion I was part of a few weeks ago. I can’t find the thread because I blocked the OP, but they were basically calling Mako a horrible character because he wasn’t as trusting of Korra as Asami was. Which completely undermines his entire character.”
Huh, it seems that I really made an impression when you still refer to this discussion with me @thatoneguy56fanfic:
https://www.tumblr.com/i-am-extremely-mad/718231423892455424/i-am-extremely-mad-thatoneguy56fanfic
I mostly defended Korra, who is still constantly demonized in fandom and hatedom. There's still the fact that you had no problem demonizing Korra to make Mako the good guy here.
“6. Which ship fans are the most annoying?
I’m probably gonna get shit for this, but for the sake of honesty: Korrasami. I’ve gotten more shit from Korrasami stans than any other ship in the LOK fandom.”
Maybe we like to defend an important canon wlw ship that literally opened the door for other more openly portrayed queer relationships on screens in other TV shows for younger audiences? But people like you like to treat this as just an annoying shipping war, and not how important some ships are to queer/LGBTQ representation.
“23. Ship you’ve unwillingly come around to
Amon/Korra and Tarrlok/Korra. I really didn’t want to like either of those ships when I first started exploring LOK fanfiction. But I’ve been slowly coming around to liking them over time, and have even been thinking of writing something for them both.”
“Amon/Korra and Tarrlok/Korra.” Here are my honest reactions when I remember that these ships exist:
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transannabeth · 4 years
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i wasn’t going to say anything publicly about it but i’ve been frustrated about this for a while, and rick is just another creator in the list of several who’ve done this 
but i’m really sick of creators being like ‘i interpret this character as asexual’ as if they don’t have complete control over their narrative. your interpretation and intent is great, but if you mean for someone to be asexual just say it in canon!!!!!!
this goes DOUBLY for creators with younger/middle grade audiences who may not know about aspec orientations. i deserved to have canonical aspec characters when i was a middle schooler, it would’ve made acceptance of my sexuality so much less painful, and other readers who may feel the same deserve it too
if you see your character as asexual, put it in canon. put the word on the page. you’re in charge, just fucking do it already 
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new-ronantics · 2 years
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Do you have any headcanons about how other people will react to byler? I love your blog btw :)
thank you sm!!! and yes, i definitely do.
dustin - had literally no idea until mike and will came out, not because it’s hard to believe but because he simply never thought about it. he’s ultimately very pro-byler and later says that they “just make sense”.
lucas - had a few suspicions because of how close they’ve always been (and kind of put two and two together when it came to will) but never said anything. when they came out, he was a little surprised he was actually right. pro-byler, is happy his friends have figured themselves out.
max - would say she “called it”. as the new kid, she probably heard all the rumors about will being queer. once she saw mike and will interact she immediately understood. byler is not a surprise to her whatsoever. she probably calls mike a moron for taking so long to figure his feelings out (mlm/wlw hostility). overall, she’s very pro-byler.
el - confused, but she’s got the spirit. pro-byler because seeing her friends happy makes her happy. definitely has a “you can do that?” moment when they come out to her and now she can’t stop thinking about kissing girls.
bonus round:
robin & steve - robin claimed she could “sense” it all along. steve is wildly confused by how many gay people are actually in his life (and is also in the middle of a sexuality crisis of his own). both are pro-byler.
joyce - absolutely ecstatic for will, extremely supportive, would wear a pro-byler pin if she owned one.
jonathan - (see above)
hopper - “you gotta be fucking kidding me.” (pro-byler, anti-mike wheeler)
nancy - very pro-byler because mike seems much more like himself when he’s with will. she’s also always had a soft spot for will, so she approves.
eddie - “wait, you guys weren’t already dating?”
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An Analysis of Sniff and the Fandom Around him; a long, casual essay.
I think the issue with Sniff and thus his fanon depictions is that while yes, he is riddled with various flaws unique to each adaptation of him and can all too often be depicted as annoying in 2 of the most popular shows, the fandom doesn't seem to treat him very fairly or even dare to propose rationalization of or forgiveness for his behavior unlike Snorkmaiden who was treated very poorly for being "an obstacle" and then turned around once the fandom became a little more self-aware of their blatantly misogynistic actions.
Sniff hasn't gotten much non-shallow positive representation/discussion or sympathetic analysis like Snorkmaiden; this has severely disrupted any fan's possibility of actually enjoying him. As much as one rewatches or enjoys the source material, they're not going to think deeply of certain elements if the fandom content they consume doesn't hype up details or characters, they're not going to look for enjoyment in Sniff if nobody points out what to enjoy in Sniff or try to take scenes and rationalize his behavior which would give greater meaning to the scenes with him.
A lack of a true (male) partner to ship him with also contributes to a lack of positive fan content, nobody really pointed this out but it seems a alot of likeable Snorkmaiden content often contains wlw ships with her, with Little My or otherwise. Being (queer) shipped also seems to give easy leeway for certain behaviors or actions for the character(s) in question, e.i: Moomintroll seems to be often depicted as soft, protective and full of admiration in the fandom because there's Snufkin for him to act like that with, when in canon his behavior (especially in the comics) can often be rude, incredibly sheepish/cowardly, spiteful and disloyal, or Snufkin is depicted as yearning, self-conscious, thoughtful and wisdomous (or if we completely ignore canon, feral, sarcastic and having a general aura of coolness) when in canon he can be very avoidant (straight up ditching situations he finds unappealing for him), self-righteous, judgemental and often disliking being around other people.
Negative depictions of them are quickly rejected or otherwise overlooked because of these idealizations of the characters, even when the canon depicts them with these flaws, OR they get twisted with sympathetic explanations for their behavior, like Snufkin being justified in committing terrorism against a park and physically harming its keeper(s) because of headcanonned childhood trauma when it could more easily be explained as him being self-righteous, petty and generally anti-authoritarian. (And to clarify, I'm not really slandering Snufmin as a ship [in fact I do enjoy it], it has its bases and they do seem to really find eachother special. I'm just using it as a popular example to illustrate my point of shipping creating what I call "likeable mischaracterisation")
There's also the severe roadblock of Snufkin and Sniff's natural idealistic rivalry, Sniff being a materialist and Snufkin being... The opposite of one? Non-materialist? And most of the fandom seems to often kin or otherwise project onto Snufkin because of his seemingly idealistic lifestyle backed up by the previous cottagecore phase of the internet which integrated the Moomin franchise into its ideology, even though Snufkin's ideology has its own flaws, Sniff "represents" the now terribly daunting capitalism that crushes us daily. But one thing has to be understood; Sniff is a traumatized child aswell, orphaned for who knows how long before being adopted by the Moomins and always unrelatable to his friends, much like how the fandom often views Snufkin.
Sniff isn't capitalism itself; he is a victim of it as much as anyone (or I guess moreso since the Moomins don't seem to be terribly bothered by it often), it's just that he's trying to fulfill his needs in a materialistic way instead of withdrawing into isolation from society, he's trying to game the system to fulfill some kind of non-obvious and unconscious need he has that he can't get an opportunity to express.
In the short story Cedric (in Tales From Moominvalley, a collection of short stories by Tove set in Moominland) Sniff gets extremely depressed after giving away his prized and beloved toy dog who had topaz eyes and a genuine moonstone on its collar, Cedric (after which the story is named after), to a brat referred to as Gaffsie's Daughter by the instruction of Moomintroll who assumably had the good intention of teaching Sniff how to share and the warm fuzzy feelings that come with it, but it obviously backfired entirely. Sniff is described to having become so depressed that he couldn't sleep, eat or even speak, Moominmamma asks why Sniff gave Cedric away to Gaffsie's Daughter and he explains, Moominmamma is left unable to respond and goes to bed to try and think it over. Sniff goes outside to have Snufkin tell a story about his own aunt and Sniff keeps responding to this story like he's had similar ones told to him before, trying to predict what happens and saying that Snufkin is just like Moomintroll.
In an author's note for the chapter, it's said Sniff finds Cedric in the rain with his jewelry missing and Sniff continues to love Cedric the way he did, unclear if a lesson was truly learned. What I find strange about this is that Tove describes Cedric as bald and love-worn but that Sniff seemed to possibly care about Cedric because of his jewelry despite Sniff having become legitimately depressed and regretting giving him away, and afterward she says she thinks Sniff is nobler for loving Cedric despite his lack of jewelry. This should be true in any context but this feels demeaning for Sniff, who hasn't even mentioned the gems in dialog or described thoughts.
This leads into Sniff's general mistreatment in canon, particularly in Moominvalley 2019, but I'm not going to get into that at the risk at making this the length of a book. I'm just gonna say; if you're going to rewatch the series, remember that Sniff is supposed to be 12-14 years old.
He also gets really unlikeable in the Tove comics then Lars tried to soften him in his own run, so that's something. But you have to give credit to that version of Sniff for actually being mildly more competent than many characters in the strip unlike his fandom/2019 depiction as being a failure and a far worse idiot than everybody else.
Anyway, what was I saying? Ah yeah.
What I'm saying is that there is a likeable version of Sniff to look into if you try. There is a tragic one where he is slowly but surely left behind by his friends who he cared about only to be left with Stinky, an actual, despicable criminal and attempted murderer, there is a Sniff that can be loved and cared for by his equally broken parents, there is a version of Sniff who freaks out when he finds out he has a brother named Fuddler and doesn't know what to do about it.
There is a Sniff that has a cool story to tell, to have what-ifs that he learns from, to be a child trying to navigate things in an unhealthy way he knows but can't help, to be an adult that has to kick Moomintroll into not being a doormat, to be desperate in filling a void with material, to hope but ultimately have to settle with something better for him in the long term.
Make a medieval AU where he's a clumsy but lucky street rat ffs, don't make him a pathetic one-off joke or a smalltime villain. There is something he can teach others that isn't just not what to do by example, make him realize that Moomintroll is kinda crap for never addressing his feelings when he pours his heart out over a stuffed animal he just got a few days ago that makes him feel more special than anyone ever has. LET HIM BE HUGGED BY HIS PARENTS. PLEASE. SNUFKIN GETS HUNDREDS OF REDRAWS OF HIM HUGGING JOXTER BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN ONE OF SNIFF JUMPING INTO MUDDLER'S ARMS. LET SOMEBODY FILL HIS PATHETIC VOID WITH THE PLATONIC/PARENTAL AFFECTION HE HAS NEVER RECEIVED IN CANON AND DON'T MAKE IT COME FROM STINKY HE IS AN ENABLER AND WOULD BE A TOXIC FRIEND.
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♡ will not write:  pedophilia, incest, step-cest, non-con, necrophilia, lgbtq+ -phobia, racism, sexism, ableism, beastiality, mpreg, b!p, g!p, lactation, watersports, scat, puke, feet, underaged, infantilisation, cheating, pregnancy, ageplay, cg/l, romanticisation of mental illness, suicide, self-harm, abuse, teacher/student relationships, major character death
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characters i write for:
♡ kakegurui: yumeko jabami, mary saotome, midari ikishima, kirari momobami, ririka momobami, rei batsubami
♡ jujutsu kaisen: yuji itadori, megumi fushiguro, satoru gojo, maki zenin, nobara kugisaki, mai zenin, kento nanami, suguru geto, sukuna, mei mei
♡ kuroshitsuji: undertaker, sebastian michaelis, vincent phantomhive, mey-rin, grelle sutcliff, william t. spears, ronald knox, ran-mao, lau
♡ boku no hero academia: bakugo katsuki, izuku midoriya, shoto todoroki, ochako uraraka, momo yaoyorozu, keigo takami, nemuri kayama, dabi, himiko toga, shota aizawa
♡ bungo stray dogs: osamu dazai, doppo kunikida, atsushi nakajima, akiko yosano, chuuya nakahara, ryunosuke akutagawa, gin akutagawa, sakunosuke oda
♡ kimetsu no yaiba: tanjiro kamado, zenitsu agatsuma, inosuke hashibira, kyojuro rengoku, giyu tomioka, shinobu kocho, mitsuri kanroji, obanai iguro, sanemi shinazugawa, gyomei himejima, tengen uzui, daki, akaza, doma, muzan kibutsuji
♡ sk8 the infinity: reki kyan, langa hasegawa, kaoru sakurayashiki, kojiro nanjo
♡ vanitas no carte: vanitas, noé archiviste, dominique de sade, jeanne
♡ shingeki no kyojin: mikasa ackerman, levi ackerman, eren jaeger, hange zoë
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this-is-krikkit · 2 years
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Top 5 queer characters
ooooh good one, thank you !!
5. Frankie Bergstein. The most gentle soul out there, hilarious whether she wants to be or not, an incredibly loving and warm character who ends up falling in love with a woman who's shown her nothing but disdain most of their lives before they end up in the same shitty situation. What i especially love about her is that in my headcanon where that show didn't queerbait us to death, she's the bold and crazy one who doesn't care about other people's opinion, she's the one you'd expect to be brave and loud and clear about how she's in love with her best friend and it's not just platonic. But i actually love the idea that she might be the one struggling most with that realization and how to act on it, because she used to be so open and loving of everything and everyone (and still seems that way) for the seven decades before the show starts ; and she got her heart broken so badly from the twenty year old affair, that although she did get attached to Grace quickly enough and jokes about being more than friends all the time, she's deadly afraid of those feelings and what may come of them. I absolutely love this strong and funny and silly woman on the outside, who hides a much more vulnerable and frightened woman on the inside, who deserves all the lifetime of love and affection Grace has never allowed herself to feel or show anyone.. until now, post-canon !!
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4. Crawley, my actual demon child, who is way too good for this world, and the other two he's visited. (And i've been torturing myself for a solid half hour trying to pick between him and his equally amazing boyfriend Aziraphale, and ended up flipping a coin for it. I'm sorry Aziraphale. I love you so much.) Anyways, back to Crawley and his ridiculous crush on an angel that makes him do crazy things such as going to actual heaven to save said angel's ass, and who embodies Iris by the Goo goo Dolls so perfectly it's a lil suspicious and he probably had smth to do with that song coming to life while he was under cover on Earth. I love a tv show that brings a book to my attention, i loved both of those media and i cannot wait for season 2.
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(do i need to explain that gif choice ? no i don't. bye.)
3. Charity Dingle, chaotic bisexual icon if i ever saw one !! haven't had a chance to catch up with the soap since the Vanity shit hit the fan, but i'll get back to her one day because i miss the truly Slytherin Queen that she is (sorry for the HP mention but it belongs to us now, fuck JKR and terfs in general). Pretty sure she's the most flawed character in this list, but i apparently LOVE a queer anti hero ? She's a lot of things and not all of them good ; she's a cheat, a liar, a bad mom most of the time, selfish and venale and has trust issues towards everyone and herself the size of a mountain. She's also a survivor of terrible abuse, a fighter, a love-starved but deeply insecure person who won't let that be seen easily. She's the only such representation i've ever seen of a wlw woman esp in a popular soap, and her simply existing gives me so much hope that society might just be evolving in the right direction ? Idk man, on the good days where i still have faith for lgbt future, she sorta gives me hope for our queer lives to become part of the norm and not just sensational and weird.
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2. Regina Mills from OUAT. What a great show with a great lesbian power couple and awesome message about queer families, or so i'm yelling somewhere in that parallel universe where the two cowards who wrote it grew courage instead of magic beans and made Swan Queen canon. I grew to love this character, it wasn't love at first sight (although def lust at first sight, shout out to them Evil Queen gowns) and now i'm trying to write self indulgent fics from her pov and day dreaming about all the things she deserved that she never got. Best redemption arc (apart from my #1 down there maybe) i've ever seen, a full badass bitch energy. Sidenote, Lana Parrilla being the biggest and loudest Swan Queen supporter in the cast felt suspicious to me in the beginning (idk, i don't get me either), but i'm finally at a point where i can fully appreciate how awesome that was of her.
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(Yes that gif was queerbait. Yes i still get excited seeing it.)
1. Obv my number 1 queer bitch forever is ROOT from Person of Interest, it's been 6 years and i'm still in denial of the byg trope they pushed down my throat a meer day after she finally got her tiny sociopathic soulmate back. She was a lot of things that i can't detail or i would die from dehydration bc the tears would consume my entire stock of water, but she also happened to appear in a TV show i actually loved. I mean i did start watching strictly for the gayness i vaguely knew was ahead, let's be real, but POI is a show i really came to love so much even when she wasn't a main character. It touched me deeply, and i still rewatch it and get blown away by the genius of so many of its episodes, from the mind blowing plot twists to the soundtrack. I had so many kids on that show and loved them all so much, just thinking about it hurts... We were robbed of a Shoot reboot, and i'll leave it at that.
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(look at her being so passionate and right and fierce and hot. loooooook. i would have followed her into battle from day one of her psych ward escape 😢 )
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thatspookyagent · 3 years
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It always gets me how like when it comes to ships that specifically include Black women in them, white folks especially white queers will always search for a reason or scene that proves that the other person who isn't the Black woman and is involved in the ship is actually gay or for some reason wouldn't want to be in a relationship with said Black woman or just Black women in general.
Basically white people will try to pull out every headcanon or in reality, excuse that they can out of their assses to convince other fans n such that the relationship between a Black woman and white man is actually just wlw/mlm solidarity, or that they're just platonic friends, or worse yet that the Black woman doesn't need a relationship cause she so strong. And before y'all whine, I am all for platonic relationships and queer solidarity. And no not EVERYONE wants to be in a relationship. But this is different. The intentions behind why white people will do this in fandoms with relationships that specifically include Black women in them is fueled by misogynoir and anti-Blackness.
Y'all are stripping Black women of our right to have our own relationships and love interests, y'all also can't stand seeing us in m/f relationships (which aren't inherently a "cishet thing" btw) that aren't purely white centric and (depending on the ship) are actually portrayed/written in a healthy, non toxic, and non fetishizing manner. Black women aren't even allowed to fall in love and g-dforbid we fall in love or show any sort of affection towards a hot white man, cause y'all will lose your collective shit.
Also I'm not even getting into how y'all will perpetuate the "This Black woman is so strong that she doesn't even need a man!" stereotype to the point to were seeing a Black woman being vulnerable is something that leaves you absolutely flabbergasted cause y'all are so used to seeing us in a masculine and strong light. Especially with brown and dark skinned Black women. As if we don't have emotions, don't struggle, don't have breakdowns, or even have emotional issues like the white characters who are allowed to have all of those things and gain development from them.
And on top of that, we also get erased from fanfiction, from headcanons, from otps, gif sets, edits, I mean you name it. Meanwhile literally any random white girl or even white man who breathes in the direction of the white man who's obviously with said Black woman, is suddenly in an overwhelming amount of headcanons, shipping theories, fanfics, etc, that are dedicated to a white man and (essentially) a stranger or worse yet, sometimes an enemy meanwhile neither of them even have an ounce of chemistry with the white man nor do they have literally any interest in one another.
I'm just so tired of it. And personally I'm all about platonic relationships and queer headcanons as much as the next person but NOT at the expense of dehumanizing Black women. Besides where is that energy when it comes to headcanoning the Black woman as queer? Where is that energy for upliftment of relationships when it comes to a Black woman finding a man she loves and he happens to be white? Where is that energy that makes you cry "I ship it!" or makes you want to make gif sets of them whenever the Black woman and white man are flirting with each other or healing together from past emotional scars? Don't think that I and other Black women within fandoms don't notice this. We do and we're tired of the bullshit. Tighten up.
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a-flickering-soul · 4 years
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do kylux for the ask meme 😳 you + me = mental illness
i love you so much for sending this in this truly is the mortifying ordeal of being known
putting this under a readmore because it is LITCHERALLY 1.2k words because i am literally clawing at the walls of my enclosure about these two
ANYWAYS go ahead and send me a character and i’ll give you some headcanons bc im having fun doing these!!!
Kylo Ren
Sexuality Headcanon: ambiguously queer. Don’t make me think about him having sex he makes me so angry
Gender Headcanon: he Must be a cis man. He has so much mommy issues. He is such an incel. He is so full of toxic masculinity. He must be a cis man.
A ship I have with said character: Kylux. Every single angle you take this ship from it’s funny and good. Canon—they hate each other and want each other dead. AU—they still hate each other but they’re (probably) less fascist and genocidal. It’s just so funny. They are so obsessed with each other. They gaslight each other into love confessions. It’s unreal. I’ve been thinking about Kylux for the past month and I feel like an entire geological age has passed. You can tell I’m a Kylux shipper and a R*ylo anti because I almost exclusively refer to him as Ren instead of Kylo. The gay angel went to superhell for Kylux to go canon in Lego Star Wars (twice) and a kids’ comic book. God mocks me to my face.
A BROTP I have with said character: This got literally shot to shit but post-TFA when a bunch of people headcanoned Rey as Luke’s kid and she and Ren were cousins and he reluctantly babysat her because he was literally ten years older than her (hhhhh.) and they had this weird mildly-contentious relationship as adults where they grudgingly acknowledge they are both the most powerful Force users in the galaxy and are the only ones who mutually understand the legacy they bear and care about each other but also cannot be in the same room together and hold a civil conversation for more than five minutes before resorting to uncomfortable silence. Like when you’re at a family reunion and you’re automatically shunted with the only other kid around your age so you have to make conversation but you are just so fundamentally different there’s nothing to talk about. Unreal.
A NOTP I have with said character: Hhh. R*ylo. I’m one of those evil lesbians who hate that ship viciously and one of my dreams is to be one of the mean antis that that bully a shipper in a story that’s clearly exaggerated or made up and then get cancelled for having good taste.
A random headcanon:  I think he and Phasma used to spar a lot. I keep thinking about the five years he spent on the Finalizer pre-canon and I can’t reasonably justify the Knights of Ren hanging out with him for the entire time on a literal military ship and I like the idea of them being the only people that are reasonably on par physically (I also like how Phasma is an inch taller than him because....whew).
General Opinion over said character: God. He drives me wild. I have a lot of thoughts about him and how good he was in TFA and the pre-canon comics/novels as a really fucking good example of a morally-conflicted villain (especially the comics where it made it really clear that he was very much manipulated and gaslit since like…ten years old). Like! The way he could flip at will from drawing strength from both the light AND dark side of the Force is just!! So cool! The way his strength literally derives from moral conflict is just really interesting to me but….idk the way post-TFA he was thrown into a redemption (Rendemption) arc that hinged on Rey being a literal genuine fascist sympathizer made me just really disappointed. He had a lot of amazing potential to be either a really interesting semi-redeemed Byronic antihero OR a full on unhinged animalistic power-mad villain that Rey has to mercy-kill like a rabid dog. And then. Well. Yeah. I like him a lot in very specific contexts and flat out hate him in most others.
 Armitage Hux
Sexuality Headcanon: gay! He is gay! I have an entire list of reasons why he’s gay and it grows daily! Without a doubt a homosexual! Gay and repressed!
Gender Headcanon: Also a cis guy even though I still do have a lot of half-formed thoughts about gender in the First Order/post-collapse of the Empire society.
A ship I have with said character: Kylux! Again! I’m obsessed with how obsessed Hux is with Ren. He hates him so much it’s unreal. I keep reading the novelizations and thinking so fucking hard about how consumed Hux is with hatred for this one man. He’s so repressed. He’s so damaged. It’s unreal. The brainworms in my head have metamorphosed into moths and they’re flapping their wings so hard they’re disintegrating my grey matter. I think near-daily about how he personally went down to retrieve Ren from the collapse of Starkiller Base and yet would not touch him to drag him to shelter in the Hux graphic novel. Would you take off your glove to check his pulse or would you attempt to feel it through the leather and touch something’s dead skin rather than his living warmth. I’m so deeply unwell.
A BROTP I have with said character: Him and Phasma!!! The way they are on first-name terms with each other….the way one of the few times in the graphic novels you see him smile is when Phasma comes back onto the base…..the way they plotted to kill Brendol together….truly evil mlm/wlw solidarity you simply love to see it
A NOTP I have with said character: Oof I see a lil bit of shipping him with Resistance members (I think I’ve seen him with Rose and also Poe??) and I know TROS made the decision to have him defect from the First Order (out of. again. his obsessive hatred with another man. writing choices.) but it makes me INSANELY uncomfortable seeing people of color being shipped with a literal fascist parody of British colonialism and imperialism lmao like….just ship Kylux bro they’re mutually bad people AND a power couple
A random headcanon: Frankly at this point I joke so much about how much like a sick Victorian orphan he looks like that I could write an entire fake medical file for him but I’ll spare you all and simply say that I am incredibly partial to the headcanon that Hux is a freak that bites string cheese instead of peeling it like a normal person. Also…the implications that he Personally placed the tracker in Ren’s belt rather than someone else, so that he alone could keep tabs on him…..I’m unwell. Enough.
General Opinion over said character: If Ren is a character I love to hate, Hux is a character I hate that I love. I just. I can’t stop thinking about this gay little war criminal. It truly, genuinely baffles the mind how much information there is about him. It triggers that same little part of my brain that goes wild over like. ARGs and stuff. There’s just so much lore. With every new piece of canon or semi-canon information I learn about him I can feel my grip on sanity slipping. He owns a black robe. He has a personal hitman in the First Order ranks to poison people he doesn’t like. He drinks tea. He’s a bastard son. He’s great with kids. He was in charge of a squad of feral orphan child soldiers at five years old. I just. I just don’t get it. I’m enamored with him. His compulsive attention to grooming. His hubris. His ambition. How literally unhinged he is (the “rabid cur” line genuinely lives in my head rent free). The way he systemically killed every single person who saw him weak and abused as a child. There’s just so much to talk about with him. He’s so evil. He’s so fucked up. I love him so deeply. He is such a horrible person and he is so fun to make fun of and he is so fun to think about. God wants there to be a bullet in my head so badly.
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inmyarmswrappedin · 4 years
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I used to give ppl the benefit of doubt by assuming they were struggling to see things from other people's perspectives. But I really noticed, probably bc s5 and s6 aired back to back, that while many on SM had difficulty understanding Ava, Josh and Zoe's behavior during s5, s6 seems to have decreased that problem. Kieu My and Ismail (but Ava's perspective still appears to be too far afield for a lot) are receiving a lot more think pieces/posts from their povs. Why do u think that is?
Hi anon 🎼 It’s because Ismail and Kieu My are gnc and bi, respectively. Characters of color are generally afforded more sympathy if they are queer, or ~give off~ queer vibes. Do you remember all the posts before s5 that said the anti corona kids were a gay/queer squad? That was based on their vibes.
Meanwhile, Ava has only shown interest in boys so far. Therefore she receives less sympathy because people can’t (and won’t headcanon) ship her in wlw ships. Compare with Mailin, who has shown no interest in people of any gender, but is frequently headcanoned as wlw, and shipped with Nora. 
Josh suffers from the same effect, he’s a moc, into women and not shown to have, or headcanoned to have, attraction for dudes. Meanwhile Zoe had a somewhat adversarial relationship with Nora, the main, for most of the season, and because of the POV element, characters like that are also afforded less sympathy. So out of all the characters you mentioned, Zoe is the one where I feel like her only problem was people struggling to see things from her perspective. 
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norgestan · 3 years
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I'm going back for seconds! Viri/Hugo, Nora/Miquel, Lucasim, Emma/You. Lol tbh I just want an Emma ship and I feel like we haven't properly settled for one. 😔 Who should end up with Emma, Mia excluded since you haven't watched Druck yet?
ardi round 2, i loooove this :)
VIRIHUGO:
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i think at the end of the day i’m just resigned to virihugo’s existence. do i hate that they just Start pining for each other with no setup at all? yes. do i hate that their relationship was a noorhelm+vilde esque get-together where dylan is the one who ends up alone? yes (imagine if noora had told william something like “oh lol vilde is just some slut that goes for every boy around her, she’ll get over it soon and she doesn’t really care about us being together ;)”. bc that’s essentially what virihugo did LOL). do i hate that half of their clips are they just standing still and monologuing about each other? oh yes. do i care? not really. i would resent them a lot more if viri had been the protag of s3, but eskam had really compelling couples with noriquel and norandro so i just spend my time focusing on them and not the lesser part of the season.
viri is an endearing character, and although i didn’t like most of her subplot in s3, i do think eskam made her an interesting character with what they had and i’m happy she got a nice boyfriend that she has lots of fun with. moreover, norandro was lacking the enemies-to-lovers snarky interactions (too busy being a really compelling couple!) and the trope was picked up by hugo and viri. which i kinda dig, because those interactions were the only things that i enjoyed about various noorhelms in the skamverse - if most of them were like that and less bad abusive boy feminist girl jerk-fest, i wouldn’t loathe noorhelm as much as i do. although this also makes me wish viri and hugo had been that kind of dynamic from the start, and just gotten a lot of will-they-won’t-they glances from their friends throughout the show until they finally got into each other on s3. but i guess that would’ve made it impossible for eskam to use dylan just to *checks notes* make every person in the love triangle insanely infuriating, oh well.
tl;dr: they are allowed to exist.
NORIQUEL:
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ardi, you just want to see the world burn LMAO
to me it’s hard to dislike any pairing with nora on it because she’s a very good character and that just means she’ll always have great dynamics with other good characters. and oh is miquel a good character. in a lot of ways, eskam gave us two great williams in one season: my boy alejandro, who is the perfect candidate for a nora love interest, who earned his place and then helped nora earn her place as the best candidate to be his love interest as well, and then miquel, that has just enough characterization to be exactly what the narrative of the season needs him to be - not only a mustache-twirling antagonist who will punch out then smirk his way out of situations, but a real person.
see, they could’ve made miquel into a one-dimensional asshole that nora is stupidly into because he’s hot (does that sound familiar to you? LOL) but oh no, miquel is way more than that. he earns nora’s trust because he’s not an asshole, he resents olga for cheating on him and you can see how nora waits until the moment where he’ll call her a slut but it NEVER comes, he defends nora in front of his friends... he gives her what she needs, and he fits right where she expects him to. and that’s so important in a season where every other character is challenging nora in one way or another: alejandro doesn’t fit in her box of “incorrigible fuckboy”, viri doesn’t fit in her box of “helpless friend who needs my pity”, emma doesn’t fit in her box of “s/a victim”. being with miquel is easy, when he just humors her and spits out thoughts that nora agrees with all the time. it’s just REALLY great to watch. not only is her season a display of how emotional abuse looks like, but also her entire relationship with miquel showcases her shame, her flaws, the things she needs to work with to better her relationships with the people who ask more of her because it’s only fair.
i honestly never was in the miquel hate train. once you get the point of the character, it’s easy to love him for what he is. as i said before, miquel was also a call of attention because the conversations that he had with nora reminded me of talks with male friends i’ve had in my uni years, and it really put it in perspective and made me realize that i have been humoring numerous miquels by sitting through their “i’m actually a feminist, ya know” think-pieces and agreeing with the general feeling of it. and i don’t think a character like niko could EVER make anyone feel like that.
i’ve checked the middle square because that was my reaction every time eskam made a point to parallel noriquel to noorhelm. like YES. YOU DO GET ME. TRULY A SEASON FROM NOORHELM ANTIS TO NOORHELM ANTIS. what a skamverse treat. this relationship is good for the SOUL. that’s why i never got infuriated watching the couple, despite knowing what the point of their existence was: at the end of the day, i knew that the signs of abuse weren’t pointless and just fillers for an end-of-season sex scene, but they were actually going to do something interesting with them. and that’s exactly what they did. noriquel is actually a perfectly crafted relationship for what its message is and it deserves to be remembered as that.
LUKASIM:
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oh BOY.
i just.... kasim is in this relationship. that already makes this REALLY difficult to tackle it. the thing about kasim is... if you only watched the season as the movistar+ channel shows it, kasim is simply a plot device. he’s not a character. he’s only there to introduce conflict and stir some shit and then fuck off to the sunset. he doesn’t have an og counterpart which meant that eskam didn’t have to actually try with him, and kasim is just what they need him to be: a way to introduce the main conflict, a reason for dounia to hate amira, boy on boy action for that sweet fanservice, misogynist microaggressions towards amira, a loose way to wrap things up at the end of the season and absolve her from any guilt or shame, etc. he just shows up when the plot needs him and then walks away very swaggily. and that’s why kasim is an essay kind of topic because to talk about him, you have to tackle the racism in s4 and all the ways they could’ve made a conflict-inducing gay muslim guy actually likable. which i won’t do here.
but then if you look at the lucas extra clips... he’s actually LIKABLE. he’s a character: he has personality, he’s funny, he doesn’t take lucas’ shit, he will only be with him if lucas apologizes and changes first. and as someone who desperately wants to protect kasim from the shit characterization and treatment he got in the show, i treasure those clips immensely - which i don’t think a lot of people do, and i can see why. it’s just sad that the moments where kasim was a likable, real character were hidden behind a paywall, and drown in a convoluted plotline of outing people when they behave badly as a good punishment. the thing about their get-together is that their impact relies only on amira, and is meant to make her life a living hell. other than that, there’s not really a narrative or character reason why they’re both into each other. is it only because they’re conventionally attractive guys and the only recurrent mlm in the show? wow, that shit’s BORING.
sigh, anyway. in a slightly better world, kasim being gay wasn’t actually a nuance as it was presented in the show. rather, kasim was out and confident about it, close to his sister, probably a regular in las labass where he could also work with organizations of other queer muslims in madrid. this also means that lucas and kasim’s relationship wasn’t the typical hidden gay love story that they were in the actual show, but they’re just, ya know. typical gay kids who made out in the club and then became just friends. or lucas’ activism on s2 warranted some instagram dms and then they upgraded to acquaintances. it’s upsetting that lucas is the only eskild who doesn’t really get to hangout or be in queer circles like other eskilds are implied to, so it would be great for him to actually have gay friends that he enjoys just as much as his primarily friend group. like, their version of lucas’ queer lifestyle being going to bars and hooking up with older guys it’s so....................... why. they didn’t have the time to say anything interesting about it and so obviously they didn’t do it lol. at this rate lucas’ only platonic queer companion is cris, which is lackluster to say the least.
the decision of making kasim lucas’ endgame is just another one on the list of things s4 got so, so wrong. what for? why does lucas need (another) boyfriend, again? why does every queer person in this show have to be dating someone and also come out to their parents? again, their relationship is just another rushed hidden gay love story that i found interesting at 13 years old and then never again. they could’ve taken it into ANY other direction, please. i’m begging.
anyways, you had really nice headcanons of lucas being the only eskild willing to revert to date a muslim guy, so that’s the only reason why i’m open to the idea of them being a couple. in a better universe, eskam actually made a case for these two being a good couple, and i agreed with it. as it is for now, it’s just really pointless, and rooted on the fact that kasim is not a real character to begin with. so i’m OBVIOUSLY sending them to superhell <3
EMMA/ME:
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standard wlw relationship that would probably get sooooo much backlash about how neither of the characters Really feel like wlw and the emma love interest being boring as fuck, tbh.
alright, now that we’ve covered all that.... should dear emma grace even end up with someone in the skamverse? maybe one of the skamau girlies, given the proximity? maybe she’ll hook up with the female eskild that i know so many people dislike? idk. emma deserves a nice love story, in the same wavelength as nora. she deserves someone who is patient, who communicates well, who establishes boundaries and asks for respect, who understands she’s not only the act of crazy party girl and there are really interesting, carefully placed layers around her. maybe someone who went through a similar situation or at the very least sits down with her and tries their hardest to understand all the things going on with her life. like... there’s something about emma dropping the accusations and then dipping to another country, away from her parents and even her hometown in the states, just to throw herself in a city as busy as nyc is, that is desperately asking to be explained and explored. in a lot of ways, emma’s story is the other side of the noora story that couldn’t be told through nora’s perspective. in a perfect universe, there’s a spinoff that takes place right between s3 and s4, where emma gets the news of how much of a shithead miquel actually is and she has to question all of that yet again, and break the sense of normalcy and comfort she had built during all those years. it would be great if that story featured her closest friendships, and a newfound love. yes i was serious when i talked about the emma grace spinoff @ movistar+
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