#israeli politics

[freewingthefree]

I've been trying to formulate my thoughts on this and have concluded I genuinely just dont know enough about it?

Because from every Israeli I've talked to (perhaps just the circles I am in), they value and welcome Israeli Arabs. But the abhorrent treatment by the state is something there has been plenty of evidence of. But they also, in theory, have the same rights and legal status of every other Israeli.

Can anyone help me learn more?

I know that Israeli Arabs face systemic discrimination and oppression. At the same time, I’ve seen how Israelis mourn Israeli Arabs as our own, writing “May her memory be a blessing” about Safaa Kat Awaad who was killed by Hezbollah today.

[anartificialsatellite]

Like yes sorry I am actually fucking furious that there are people in Israel who have been fighting for peace and equality for Israelis and Palestinians for years and years without acknowledgement or support from the broader international left, and since you weren't spoonfed this information by the Tumblr School of International Relations you wanna just act like it's never existed.

Fuck you.

[allthebrazilianpolitics]

A Brazilian journalist claims that, albeit they don't officially state it, the country's Foreign Affairs Ministry (aka Itamaraty) has the impression that Israel is stopping Brazilians from leaving Gaza as retaliation for the Brazilian government asking for a ceasefire and calling out the current ethnic cleansing campaign.

[xclowniex]

Most Palestinians have always declared over the decades that they're being treated worse than second class citizens by Israel but I guess if you, a Jew from New Zealand, says its not true then I will take your word over theirs 👍🏼

Straight from the Merriam Webster dictionary.

Factually speaking, arabs have the same rights as jews. Like I said in my original post, I am not denying that arabs face racism in Israel. I literally said that it is something which needs improvement as it is bad that it happens. I also mentioned that there are some political parties in Israel who want to take away some rights from arabs and that is also bad.

Also a little correction there, it's arab jew from NZ bud.

But, if you want to get into second class citizens shit, how about you look up dhimmi laws.

There is also much more that you should read about jewish treatment, so the source for that which has a lot more is below

[leigh1485]

This whole story makes me so angry. It encapsulates everything that is wrong with the current government ... actually, only some of the things, there are other wrong things that do not apply. A government that actually believed in the value of Jewish lives (obvs other lives are not as important, from their POV) would not have allowed any of this to happen.

The Israel Defense Force has launched an Investigation into the Death of

h, a 71-Year-Old Israeli Researcher who was Killed earlier today in Southern Lebanon. Erlich, who is not an Active or Reserve Member of the IDF, was reportedly given permission by the Chief of Staff for the Golani Brigade, Colonel Yoav Yarom to enter Southwestern Lebanon, in order to Investigate an Ancient Fortress near the Border. While entering the Archeological Site, a Group of Israeli Soldiers alongside Erlich, who for some reason was wearing a Military Uniform, were Ambushed by a Pair of Hezbollah Terrorists; with Erlich being Killed in the Attack.

[unsolicited-opinions]

This is an excellent insight into how Netanyahu's far-right coalition of the corrupt, the racist, and the theocratic have screwed *everyone*

Also an excellent example of criticism of Israel which never comes anywhere near antisemitism.

[elder-millennial-of-zion]

Heya! Just wanted to mention the American/global definition of "left" might be kind of shit vis a vis Jews and Zionism (fucking apparently), but leftism in Israel very much means "we deserve to live here and so do Palestinians let's be responsible adults and fix this please". The party I vote for, Meretz (who have a charter PDF in English if anybody's interested) represents this interest very well in my opinion. In general, a lot of the Israeli anti-government protests, which started far before the war and were decried by the government as The Extreme Left, expressed this opinion - being a functioning country with actual morals means both not having a corrupt government, AND not maintaining the ridiculous, dangerous and demeaning status quo with Palestinian territories, and that this is what actual Israeli patriotism and Zionism looks like. I hope this might help with your definition, because the "right" definitely does not have our best interests at heart :D

Thank you for pointing that out! I’m definitely aware of this, but I obviously haven’t communicated it clearly enough. When I complain about “the left” I’m referring to the American/global/basically-anywhere-outside-of-Israel left.

The Israeli left is the faction I admire most, especially right now. You have worked longer and harder for Palestinian liberation, in more concrete ways, at much greater cost, than anyone in the world besides actual Palestinians. And you’re still doing it even in the wake of 10/7.

It makes me so angry that non-Israeli “leftists” for whom this cause is just the latest trend, totally ignore the work of the actual Israeli left in favor of labeling you all “settlers.” It makes me so angry that many of the victims of 10/7 were those leftist Israeli activists, because those people who were making a real difference are gone, and because their memories are being desecrated as “colonizers who aren’t really innocent.” The non-Israeli, non-Jewish left could learn a lot from the Israeli left’s conviction and courage and integrity. It’s too bad they probably won’t.

This got a bit long winded but all this to say: thank you for being on the front lines and doing the actual work.

[ch4liz4rd-jpeg]

one of the absolutely most frustrating things in the western leftist attitude towards "zionism" is that they use zionism to describe something that has its own word. kahanism. but instead they choose to go through hoops to redefine a belief system that ISNT theirs to define. words change overtime, but westerners and goyim dont get to decide what a word that is culturally significant to jews means. and just because the tiny fraction of jews that are antizionist allow you to decide doesnt mean that the wider jewish community who are zionists agree with that.

lets also get one thing clear: zionism is an ancient jewish value. throughout the jewish peoples time in exile away from the land of israel, there was always a strong desire to return to zion, which refers to yerushalayim or the land of israel as a whole. just because someone jew in America might tell you "well i feel no connection to israel" DOESNT MEAN THAT EVERY JEW AGREES.

zionism is the belief that the jewish people deserve self determination in our ancient ancestral land, which encompasses the kingdom of israel and judah. that what it is at its very core. in modern definitions its the idea that the state of israel deserves to continue existing.

ive seen antizionists define zionism as "facism" just a Different ideology, or something along the lines of "kill palestinians" and "take over the world" no where in zionist belief do we think that jews must take over the world, or that palestinians must die for jews to live. or that the modern state of israel must be an exclusively jewish state. the founders of israel picked sovereignty snd safety over maximalism, meaning they chose to settle for the land given in the agreements ALTHOUGH a lot of the land that has our ancient history wasnt actually in our defined land which remains as such to this day.

now, kahanism. kahanism is in my eyes an appropriation of what zionism is. kahanism is an extreme right wing and racist take/"branch" of zionism. the idea that israel must be exclusively jewish, no arabs no muslims no christians, and many kahanists like ben gvir even believe that israel should reoccupy the gaza strip. kahanism ( the kach party) was banned from the knesset, israels parliament. but i think its with this move that our rotten politicians did to circumvent this ban is what has really fucked the perception of israel and zionism beyond repair alongside the propaganda about what zionism is. kahanists have essentially decided that kahanism is actually what truly zionist belief is, so they decide to call their movement a Zionist movement. so the "oztma yehudit" (jewish power, disgusting of them to call themselves this btw 😀😀) party peddles the idea that theyre a zionist movement when really, they are just kahanist and anti arab and anti palestinian. its not fucking "jewish power" to be racist. its maddening to me how many "zionists" are actually racist and bigoted and kahanist and then a lot of antizionists see them and say "look at so so, they say theyre zionist and theyre actually racist bigots who want to flatten gaza, every zionist believes that" and when you believe in palestinian self determination and the continued existence of israel and are thus a zionist, youre now morally wrong and inferior, when the perception of zionism is so beyond warped from its true definition. and as much as people will say "not all jews are zionists!" and "im not antisemetic im jusy antizionist!" its very clear how this has given a lot of closeted jew haters the chance to spew blood libel and misinformation. i do believe that there are well intentioned people in the anti israel/anti zionist/pro palestine movement. i truly truly want to believe that. and if you got this far and consider yourself pro palestine, look left snd right in your movement. learn about the old blood libel thst was used against jews for thousands of years thst is now beinh rehashed with more palatable language. there is a LOT of antisemitism in the palestinian movement, and if people who are truly not jew haters have to stand up for what is right to wash the movement clean of antisemitic libel and violence.

i couldnt find a place to fit this in the previous paragraph but israelis are constantly fighting bibis coalition, most israelis crave nothing more then our hostages back and bibi out of politics. our government has done literally nothing to actually help us for a long fucking time. it is incompetent snd we are in dire need to a better prime minister. im thinking of doing a post about how israeli elections, coalitions, parties and knesset works plus an overview of the parties and their ideologies at some point, so lmk if youd be interested

so, pro palestinian and dont hate jews or israelis? actually want to stand for peace?? seriously, put in the effort. because we cannot see you. you are overshadowed by people using the movement to be antisemitic and spread lies about the jewish people.

[belleandre-belle]

Israeli police in West Jerusalem manhandle and arrest members of Neturei Karta Orthodox Jewish group during their attempt to show support for Palestinian people amid Israel’s war on besieged Gaza.

Neturei Karta rejects Zionism and the establishment of the State of Israhell

[applesauce42069]

[girlactionfigure]

Israel Waits on the Edge of War

Israel has been in crisis mode for two weeks, waiting for a promised attack from Iran. At the same time, the Biden-Harris administration is trying to force Israel to accept a cease-fire agreement with Hamas. How are these things related?

The US administration is heavily invested in stopping the Gaza war and preventing Israel from obtaining full security control over Gaza both for domestic political reasons, and in order to advance its long-term goal of unifying the Palestinian territories under the control of single authority that can be a candidate for statehood.

The US has no leverage over Hamas, so the approach is to apply pressure to Israel, its client state, and to Iran, which is concerned that the US does not interfere with its progress toward nuclear weapons, which is currently at an advanced stage.

Pressure on Israel is multifaceted, including both carrots and sticks. The carrots are promises of future military aid and protection against attacks from Iran and its proxy Hezbollah. The sticks include slowdowns in delivery of promised munitions and threats to abandon Israel in the event that the war blows up into a major regional conflict. There is also the continuing political activity against PM Netanyahu, including various forms of support for his domestic opponents.

To Iran, the administration promises further sanctions relief and protection against a possible Israeli attack on her nuclear facilities.

At this point, the US has warned the Iranian regime against carrying out its planned revenge attack against Israel or allowing its various proxies, especially Hezbollah, from doing anything that might cause Israel to abandon the negotiations for a cease-fire deal. It has moved military assets into the region to back this up. The Iranians seem to have accepted the American demand. It is in their interest to avoid a confrontation with Israel now, before their nuclear umbrella unfolds, and while Israel is at peak readiness. In addition, the likely cease-fire arrangements will constitute a victory for the Iranian-led “axis of resistance.”

Although the precise terms of the latest deal as proposed by the Americans, Qatar, and Egypt are not public, we know that the first stage will include return of only some hostages (not including soldiers and possibly other males), a cease-fire of about six weeks, and a release of a number of Hamas terrorists in Israeli prisons. Issues in dispute include whether Israel will keep forces on the border between Gaza and Egypt, in the “Netzarim corridor” that separates the northern and southern parts of the Gaza strip, and in a security zone on the Gazan side of the border with Israel. The number and identity of the terrorists to be released in return for hostages is also an issue, and where they will be released. Hamas demands include that no Israeli forces may remain anywhere in Gaza, that the cease-fire will be extended as long as negotiations continue, and that the released prisoners include some of the most dangerous terrorists. Hamas also is demanding international aid to rebuild (in effect, to reconstitute itself as a military force).

Among the consequences of any agreement that even comes close to meeting Hamas’ conditions will be that Hamas remains in power, and strengthens itself in Palestinian politics. Terrorism in the territories and in the rest of the country can be expected to increase with the release of prisoners; and the international investment and presence in Gaza will deter Israel from periodically “mowing the grass” in Gaza. Israeli residents of the western Negev will soon face renewed threats from Gaza in the form of rocket fire and even incursions.

It is probable that only a mass release of thousands of convicted terrorists will bring home the male prisoners and soldiers that remain alive. It’s hard to imagine the chaos that this would bring. In the area of information warfare, the survival of Hamas will be presented (not incorrectly) as a massive victory and will encourage the other members of Iran’s “axis of resistance.”

In the next few days, the Israeli government will have to decide whether to take the deal that is being demanded by the US and by the opponents of PM Netanyahu. Israelis are being told by their media that this will “bring the hostages home” and end the fighting in the north as well as in Gaza. In fact, it will bring fewer than half of the hostages home. Iran and Hezbollah will not be deterred from continuing their attacks in the north; and it’s likely that American diplomacy will be brought to bear to protect them from Israel as well. The tens of thousands of Israelis that are internal refugees today from the north and south will not be able to safely return to their homes.

It’s true that two right-wing parties that are part of Netanyahu’s coalition have threatened to quit if the government agrees to a disadvantageous deal. Unfortunately the result of this would only be that the Opposition will support the deal and it will pass. Netanyahu’s coalition will be castrated and elections will soon follow.

Those in Israel who see the removal of Netanyahu as PM as a higher priority than the defeat of her enemies are idiots at best and traitors at worst. Our future here depends on our ability to stand up to American pressure, to defeat Hamas and keep security control of Gaza, and to successfully prosecute the coming war against Iran and her proxies. No political objective is more important than this.

[anartificialsatellite]

Hello friends, I am a westerner with radical politics that I've never really examined and I'm looking for position through which to launder my bloodlust while keeping my cred relatively intact, do you have anything like that in stock?

[allthebrazilianpolitics]

Israel incensed after Brazil's Lula likens Gaza war to Holocaust

Israel accused Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva of trivialising the Holocaust and causing offence to the Jewish people on Sunday after he likened the Israeli war against Hamas militants in Gaza to the Nazi genocide during World War Two.

"What is happening in the Gaza Strip with the Palestinian people has no parallel in other historical moments. In fact, it did exist when Hitler decided to kill the Jews," Lula told reporters during the 37th African Union Summit in Addis Ababa.

The Foreign Ministry in Jerusalem said it would summon the Brazilian ambassador for a reprimand over the remarks, which Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu described as "disgraceful and grave".

"This is a trivialisation of the Holocaust and an attempt to attack the Jewish people and the right of Israel to self-defence. Drawing comparisons between Israel and the Nazis and Hitler is to cross a red line," Netanyahu said in a statement.

Continue reading.

[xclowniex]

How do you feel about people trying to characterize the Israeli government as if unfair to Arabs and Muslims or that they hate Arabs and Muslims

Sorry if this has already been asked before

It depends on how they do it.

Being absolutely 100% real, whilst arabs and Muslims have the same rights as jews, there is a threat to those rights from sole political parties and racism still exists.

I do think it's fine if someone talks about it as long as they recognize that they do have equal rights. Not that it makes the situation any better, it is just to stop the spread of misinformation and disinformation which happens. And whilst I would like to participate in those conversations, I simply do not know enough about the Israeli political parties and laws to contribute anything meaningful to the discussion.

I do think that the whole "the Israeli government treats Muslims and arabs as second class citizens" a load of bs and problematic. Also, not recognizing the equal rights doesn't allow for you to really hone onto what actual issues there are for them to be fixed.

[capybaracorn]

‘All of the rats in the Knesset’: Mass antiwar protest in Israel

Tens of thousands of protesters, including families of Israeli captives, waved Israeli flags and chanted slogans against Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s government in Tel Aviv on Saturday. They demanded new elections and the return of captives held in Gaza. Large protests have been held weekly in the city, criticising Netanyahu’s handling of the nearly nine-month-old war in Gaza, which began after Hamas's October 7 attack on southern Israel.T

[spale-vosver]

Sorry to bother you with a political ask, but i saw that you id as an antizionist and i am a bit confused by what you mean by that, if youd be willing to clarify. The politics I've seen on your blog seem to line up pretty well with mine, and i am a zionist. From a scroll through your blog you aren't a jvpnik, you're willing to call out leftist antisemitism and hamas, interact with zionist jews, acknowledge our indigeneity, acknowledge the jewish definition of zionism, don't seem to want to kick Israelis out, ect. So I am so surprised to see you id as antizionist, since my experiences with anti zionism doesn't line up with what you post. I feel like I must be missing something. I've never encountered an antizionist who didn't hate Israelis(and or just jews) and refuse to acknowledge jewish history before now, so I'm very curious what you mean by the term if not that.

Chag tu b'av samech!

Hi! Totally no problem whatsoever.

What I mean by "politically antizionist" is definitely much more "anti Kahanist", and tbh I will probably edit my about me to say that. Largely, I oppose the politicization of Zionism (mostly by goyim) because I don't think it's a concept that can be meaningfully politicized outside of Israel (as it is an inherently Jewish concept).

Otherwise I'd 100% identify as a Zionist -- I am in full support of the state of Israel's right to exist (while recognizing that its founding was extremely violent and was partly a colonial project by the British to "civilize" Ottoman Palestine) and believe in a binational one-state solution.

I hope this helps, sorry it's not a longer explanation -- I went to the Renaissance Faire yesterday and am still wiped out.

Chag tu b'av sameach!